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massraider said:
Disagree completely. 

He doesn't even want the job.

He'll make speeches,  making up vague bogeyman that conspired to steal the election.  He'll pile lies on top of those lies, and give interviews constantly.  He'll threaten to run again in four years,  and crank out a book or two. 

His crowd will eat it up. 
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Right on everything except he does want the job.

 
You all are so funny. Trump is the nominee, stop getting all excited about every article that hints otherwise. The MSM has to have something to talk about and articles on Trump create clicks--bottom line.

 
Courtjester said:
You all are so funny. Trump is the nominee, stop getting all excited about every article that hints otherwise. The MSM has to have something to talk about and articles on Trump create clicks--bottom line.
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The difference this time: the people doing the floating are actually in a position to turn it into reality.

The difference this time: the people doing the floating are actually in a position to turn it into reality. 

"The new push is being run by the only people who can actually make changes to party rules, rather than by pundits and media figures who have been pining for a Trump alternative. Many of the delegates involved supported Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas in the primary but say they are not taking cues from any of Trump’s vanquished opponents.

"'This literally is an ‘Anybody but Trump’ movement,' said Kendal Unruh, a Republican delegate from Colorado who is leading the campaign. 'Nobody has any idea who is going to step in and be the nominee, but we’re not worried about that. We’re just doing that job to make sure that he’s not the face of our party.'
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- I think a Romney ally being put in as chair of the rules committee is another thing to consider. That happened.

 
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Inside Trump’s financial ties to Russia and his unusual flattery of Vladimir Putin


Donald Trump was in his element, mingling with beauty pageant contestants and business tycoons as he brought his Miss Universe pageant to Russia for a much-anticipated Moscow debut. Nonetheless, Trump was especially eager for the presence of another honored guest: Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Trump tweeted Putin a personal invitation to attend the pageant, and a one-on-one meeting between the New York businessman and the Russian leader was scheduled for the day before the show.

Putin canceled at the last minute, but he sent a decorative lacquered box, a traditional Russian gift, and a warm note, according to Aras Agalarov, a Moscow billionaire who served as a liaison between Trump and the Russian leader.

Still, the weekend was fruitful for Trump. He received a portion of the $14 million paid by Agalarov and other investors to bring the pageant to Moscow. Agalarov said he and Trump signed an agreement to build a Trump Tower in the heart of Moscow — at least Trump’s fifth attempt at such a venture. And Trump seemed energized by his interactions with Russia’s financial elite, at the pageant and a glitzy after-party in a Moscow nightclub.

“Almost all of the oligarchs were in the room,” Trump bragged to Real Estate Weekly upon returning home.

Trump’s relationship with Putin and his warm views toward Russia, which began in the 1980s when the country was still part of the Soviet Union, have emerged as one of the more curious aspects of his presidential campaign.

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Since the 1980s, Trump and his family members have made numerous trips to Moscow in search of business opportunities, and they have relied on Russian investors to buy their properties around the world.

“Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets,” Trump’s son, Donald Jr., told a real estate conference in 2008, according to an account posted on the website of eTurboNews, a trade publication. “We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia.”

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On the campaign trail, Trump has called for a new partnership with Moscow. He has called for overhauling NATO, the allied military force seen as the chief protector of pro-Western nations near Russia. And Trump has surrounded himself with a team of advisers who have had financial ties to Russia.

This account of Trump’s 30-year history of business with Russia — and that of his advisers — is based on interviews as well as a review of deposition transcripts and other court records in which Trump and his associates have discussed their overseas work. Trump declined to be interviewed for this article, as did top campaign aides and most members of his foreign policy team. The Kremlin also declined to comment about Trump’s visit to Moscow.

The coming together of Trump’s business and political agendas was evident during his 2013 Moscow trip, in which he was seeking deals at the same time he was starting to ponder a presidential run.

Agalarov and his son, Russian pop musician Emin Agalarov, told The Washington Post that they befriended Trump after the pageant and that, while visiting him in New York, listened as he described his views of U.S.-Russia relations.

“He kept saying, ‘Every time there is friction between United States and Russia, it’s bad for both countries. For the people to benefit, this should be fixed. We should be friends,’” Emin Agalarov recalled.

Russia has signaled a deep interest in the U.S. election, and in Trump in particular. The Russian ambassador to the United States, breaking from a tradition in which diplomats steer clear of domestic politics, attended Trump’s April foreign policy speech in which he called for ending “this horrible cycle of hostility” between the two nations.

And this week, The Washington Post reported that hackers tied to the Russian government had gained access to the Democratic National Committee’s opposition research file on Trump.

A spokesman for the Russian Embassy said that Ambassador Sergey I. Kislyak’s attendance at the Trump speech should not be considered an indication that Russia is partial to Trump. “There is no preference,” said the spokesman, Yury Melnick.

Still, the relationship is setting off alarms in pro-Western capitals — and in the U.S. foreign policy community.

Trump’s campaign rhetoric is the “biggest dream of everyone in the Kremlin,” Tina Khidasheli, defense minister of Georgia, a U.S. ally, told The Post. “It’s scary, it’s dangerous, and it’s irresponsible. . . . It is a big problem if you have a candidate for president of the United States talking like this.”

Her view is shared in the United States by leading Russia experts from both ends of the political spectrum.

Michael McFaul, who stepped down in 2014 as the U.S. ambassador to Russia, said Trump’s stance toward Russia “makes everyone I talk to around the world nervous — and it makes me nervous as well.”

... Trump’s 1987 trip represented his first public exploration of business prospects in Moscow. He went with his then-wife, Ivana, to scope out sites for luxury hotels he hoped to build in a joint venture with the Kremlin’s hotel and tourism agency, according to Trump’s memoir, “The Art of the Deal,” which was published the same year.

...In 1996, Trump tried to partner with U.S. tobacco executives to build a luxury condominium complex in Moscow. Ted Liebman, an architect who worked with Trump, recalled drawing sketches of the proposed Trump International for the businessman to use in meetings with Moscow officials.

In 2005, Trump signed a one-year deal with a New York development company to explore a Trump Tower in Moscow. Bayrock Group found a site — an old pencil factory — but the effort fizzled again.

Trump claimed in a later court proceeding that Russian investors were spooked when a 2005 book questioned his net worth.

The quest continued. In his 2008 speech, Donald Jr. announced that he had traveled to Russia six times in the previous 18 months in hopes of striking a deal. “Several buyers have been attracted to our projects there,” he said.

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Trump’s business ambitions have extended throughout the former Soviet Union and the Eastern bloc.

He has explored deals in Kiev, Yalta and Warsaw and licensed his name for the construction of a five-star hotel in Baku, Azerbaijan, which has been mostly built but not yet open, the project frozen amid an economic slowdown. He spent three days in Georgia in 2011 to announce another project in the Black Sea resort town of Batumi. It has not been built, but a project official, Giorgi Rtskhiladze, told The Post that Trump was paid a fee for the use of his name when the agreement was signed.

As Trump looked for deals in Russia, Russian consumers became a key market for his real estate projects in the United States and elsewhere in the world.

Trump’s partners on a development project in Panama traveled to Moscow in 2006 to sell condos to Russian investors, according to litigation filed in Florida. Trump also sold a mansion in Palm Beach in 2008 for $95 million to Russian oligarch Dmitry Rybolovlev, according to property records. Trump had purchased the mansion at a bankruptcy auction less than four years earlier for $41.4 million, records show.

In 2013, Trump found a new Russian partner for a Moscow real estate project, Aras Agalarov, an Azeri-born real estate developer who is sometimes called the “Trump of Russia” for his tendency to emblazon his name on his development projects.

The Agalarov fortune has been built partly through state-funded construction projects, a sign of the company’s closeness to the Putin government. Shortly after the pageant, Putin awarded the elder Agalarov the “Order of Honor of the Russian Federation,” prestigious designation.

Agalarov and his son Emin spoke with The Post earlier this year at the chic Nobu restaurant inside Crocus City Mall, their gleaming luxury development.

They said they first met Trump after hiring Miss Universe contestants for one of Emin’s music videos. Trump ultimately appeared in the video along with the beauty queens. After the video and the 2013 pageant, they said they developed a deeper relationship with Trump, including discussions of a Moscow construction project.

“I convinced my father it would be cool to have next to each other the Trump Tower and Agalarov Tower, and he was kind of into it at some point,” Emin Agalarov said.

... Trump’s top aides, too, have had ties to Russia. Campaign chairman Paul Manafort has done multimillion-dollar business deals with pro-Russian oligarchs and was a longtime adviser to the Russia-aligned Ukrainian president whose 2014 ouster triggered Russia’s intervention in Ukraine, a major source of tension between Russia and the United States as well as its NATO allies.

... An adviser who helped run Trump’s efforts in the New York primary, Michael Caputo, lived in Russia for seven years in the 1990s, working with groups that supported then-Russian President Boris Yeltsin. Caputo also had a contract for several months in 2000 with the Russian conglomerate Gazprom Media to improve Putin’s image in the United States, damaged after he had taken over a private television station.

... Flynn, the former Defense Intelligence Agency chief who is advising Trump and has been mentioned as a possible vice presidential running mate, recently stunned the diplomatic community by sitting near Putin at a 2015 Moscow dinner honoring RT, the English-language network aligned with the Kremlin that broadcasts into the U.S. and other Western countries.

... Carter Page, also a Trump foreign policy adviser, once ran the Moscow office of Merrill Lynch, including advising the Russian energy giant Gazprom, according to his biography posted on his employer’s website.

Page did not respond to questions from The Post. In an interview this year with Bloomberg News, he hinted that Trump’s election could be a boost for some of his Russian associates who have been hurt by U.S. sanctions imposed in 2014 after Russia’s intervention in Ukraine. “There’s a lot of excitement in terms of the possibilities for creating a better situation,” Page told the news service.

In addition to his campaign advisers, Trump has spent time discussing his views on Russia with his business partners there.

And the Agalarovs have liked what they have heard.

“He keeps underlining that he thinks President Putin is a strong leader,” Emin Agalarov said. “This could be an amazing breakthrough. If [Trump] becomes president and actually becomes friends with Putin, we would avoid 10 wars every year at least.”
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Courtjester said:
You all are so funny. Trump is the nominee, stop getting all excited about every article that hints otherwise. The MSM has to have something to talk about and articles on Trump create clicks--bottom line.
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What gives you the idea that we want the GOP to replace Trump?  I'm more than willing to watch the GOP go down in flames with him.

 
cstu said:
What gives you the idea that we want the GOP to replace Trump?  I'm more than willing to watch the GOP go down in flames with him.
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That's true, the Dems need to be thanking their lucky stars it is Trump because as pathetic and unlikeable as their sides candidate is, this would have been a GOP landslide.

 
I tend to agree with Court Jester here (not on the GOP landslide part!) 

But Donald Trump is going to be the GOP nominee. This is all a lot of talk; they'll never replace him. What's more, if I were a Republican delegate to the convention, I would feel honor bound to vote for Trump despite my detestation of the man and everything he stands for. Otherwise, what's the point of all the primaries? The voters chose their guy. It's not right to remove him now. 

 
timschochet said:
I tend to agree with Court Jester here (not on the GOP landslide part!) 

But Donald Trump is going to be the GOP nominee. This is all a lot of talk; they'll never replace him. What's more, if I were a Republican delegate to the convention, I would feel honor bound to vote for Trump despite my detestation of the man and everything he stands for. Otherwise, what's the point of all the primaries? The voters chose their guy. It's not right to remove him now. 
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Exactly. Not only would the Trump supporters sit out the election or vote for a 3rd party candidate, they would probably abandon the GOP party permanently.  It would be the end of the GOP as we know it. 

Too late now to do anything but keep their fingers crossed that he not only pivots, but somehow, also starts acting (you know) Presidential. The Republican Party can only stand by and helplessly watch the inevitable train wreck which will be the general election.

 
Courtjester said:
That's true, the Dems need to be thanking their lucky stars it is Trump because as pathetic and unlikeable as their sides candidate is, this would have been a GOP landslide.
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The general election does not favor republicans, it will never be a GOP landslide unless something weird happens, just based on the way electoral votes are distributed. Plus each day the republican demographics are getting smaller and democratic favoring demographics are getting bigger.

 
Q27. From what you know so far, do you think Hillary Clinton is prepared for the job of President, or not?

All voters:

Yes - 59%

No - 39%

Q34. From what you know so far, do you think Donald Trump is prepared for the job of President, or not?

All voters:

Yes - 30%

No - 67%

 
huthut said:
The general election does not favor republicans, it will never be a GOP landslide unless something weird happens, just based on the way electoral votes are distributed. Plus each day the republican demographics are getting smaller and democratic favoring demographics are getting bigger.
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GOP built a great party for winning Presidential elections in the 1980's, now not so much.

 
squistion said:
Exactly. Not only would the Trump supporters sit out the election or vote for a 3rd party candidate, they would probably abandon the GOP party permanently.  It would be the end of the GOP as we know it. 

Too late now to do anything but keep their fingers crossed that he not only pivots, but somehow, also starts acting (you know) Presidential. The Republican Party can only stand by and helplessly watch the inevitable train wreck which will be the general election.
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All that talk about Trump voters sitting out was bs from the beginning. Trump is a gasbag full of empty threats. Having said that the GOP has screwed up so badly they can never recover this year no matter what they do. 

 
cstu said:
Q27. From what you know so far, do you think Hillary Clinton is prepared for the job of President, or not?

All voters:

Yes - 59%

No - 39%

Q34. From what you know so far, do you think Donald Trump is prepared for the job of President, or not?

All voters:

Yes - 30%

No - 67%
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That's astounding. The guy has a ceiling in the 40s. The GOP leadership know this already and he hasn't followed their recipe to fix it.

 
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Courtjester said:
That's true, the Dems need to be thanking their lucky stars it is Trump because as pathetic and unlikeable as their sides candidate is, this would have been a GOP landslide.
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I'm not so sure. Think about how weak the field of 17 had to be for Trump to win and Cruz, a man who immediately evokes thoughts of the Zodiac killer, to be the runner-up. John Kasich made it to the end and he was quite literally only known for eating like a savage.

Maybe you think their best bet would have been the guy who thought the pyramids were filled with frosted flakes?

The RNC trotted out a bunch of clowns for their base to choose from.

 
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I'm not so sure. Think about how weak the field of 17 had to be for Trump to win and Cruz, a man who immediately evokes thoughts of the Zodiac killer, to be the runner-up. John Kasich made it to the end and he was quite literally only known for eating like a savage.

Maybe you think their best bet would have been the guy who thought the pyramids were filled with frosted flakes?

The RNC trotted out a bunch of clowns for their base to choose from.
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All you need to know is that there were 17 candidates.  That means there was no unity at all and no strong candidate to begin with.  I doubt that's a mistake we'll see repeated again in quite some time.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
You're pretty tolerant yourself, don't you think? Obviously you don't call for the maximum penalties on all muslims, why not?
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I don't believe Muslims and the west can live together unless the population is under 2% and spread through out the country (so they can integrate) and even then we will have issues. We (The West v Muslims) just believe different things. One of those things is tolerance and acceptance. Muslims believe men and women should be separate. That gays deserve to die and that the only law is the law of the Qur'an, Sharia law. It's already hard enough to agree with ourselves and even Europe. When you add in a Muslim population you get what we had here last week. 

 
Dexter said:
I don't believe Muslims and the west can live together unless the population is under 2% and spread through out the country (so they can integrate) and even then we will have issues. We (The West v Muslims) just believe different things. One of those things is tolerance and acceptance. Muslims believe men and women should be separate. That gays deserve to die and that the only law is the law of the Qur'an, Sharia law. It's already hard enough to agree with ourselves and even Europe. When you add in a Muslim population you get what we had here last week. 
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But you don't think anything specific should be done about that?

So while you propose to ban foreign muslims from the US, you just plan on leaving US muslims alone? In general that sounds very tolerant.

 
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