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Wat? You used to be a pretty thoughtful, rational guy. Now you're trying to spin the firing of his campaign manager less than a month before the convention as a positive? Maybe my snark detector is off -- I certainly hope it is, anyway.




 




 





 
I think pretty much everyone agrees that firing him was a positive compared to not firing him. The guy is a tool and should have been fired a long time ago. What's in question is whether giving the firing extra publicity (by releasing the news on a Monday) is a positive.

 
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I think pretty much everyone agrees that firing him was a positive compared to not firing him. The guy is a tool. What's in question is whether giving the firing extra publicity (by releasing the news on a Monday) is a positive.
Well, yeah, he's obviously a tool. But that's an issue that should have been addressed a long time ago. On the heels of everything else about the incompetence of his campaign that's come out lately, this isn't a good look for him at all. Plus, the internal chaos won't exactly be good for a campaign that is already floundering with structure and organization by all accounts. It adds considerably to the "amateur hour" narrative, and that shouldn't even be possible at this point.

 
I think pretty much everyone agrees that firing him was a positive compared to not firing him. The guy is a tool. What's in question is whether giving the firing extra publicity (by releasing the news on a Monday) is a positive.
There is no way to reasonably interpret this except as absolute dysfunctionalism in the campaign. This is like saying your car breaking down on the highway is a positive because it proves it was broken all along and now at least it's no longer "breaking".

 
I like how Betfair puts Trumps odds of winning the primary at only 85%. #### the general, smart money says he isn't even out of the primary woods yet.  :lmao:

 
I like how Betfair puts Trumps odds of winning the primary at only 85%. #### the general, smart money says he isn't even out of the primary woods yet.  :lmao:
85% and dropping... I'm not typically a betting guy, but I may need to look into this. I'd take "other than Trump" at 5 or 6 to 1 pretty easily.

 
Here's why he would have been better off doing this yesterday.  From February:


 


Donald J. Trump Verified account @realDonaldTrump


Wow was Ted Cruz disloyal to his very capable director of communication. He used him as a scape goat-fired like a dog! Ted panicked.
Firing a key member of your staff is just not a good look, no matter how much it may be a good move in the long run. After all it's just as good a move in the long run if you bury it on a busy Sunday.
 
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The Real News Is Trump is Broke


As you can see, the news of the day is Donald Trump's firing of war-time campaign manager Corey Lewandowski. Lewandowski never actually functioned as a campaign manager - more like what the modern campaign calls a body man or traveling press secretary. In recent months, Paul Manafort has, supposedly, been filling that role. So it's not clear what effect his dismissal will have other than signaling to worried Republicans some desire for change and steadying Trump himself with an act of demonstrative dominance.

My real interest is in a different question: where's the money?
I got onto thinking about this when I saw John McQuaid's short piece in Forbes. As McQuaid notes, this is the gaping hole, the burning question at the center of Trump's campaign. Reports suggest that Trump has been unwilling to undergo the ego effacement of calling high dollar Republican donors and asking for money. His campaign has virtually no money in the bank ($2.4m at last count).
Even if Trump can't not be Trump, the damage of being Trump could at least be off-set by pouring money into advertising in key swing states and field work. But at this moment, the Clinton campaign (and pro-Clinton superPACs) is rolling out a barrage of targeted swing state advertising focused on solidifying and embedding the highly negative image Trump has built for himself over the last year and especially the last eight weeks. That advertising is going entirely unanswered by the Trump campaign. Trump's been reduced to making emergency appeals to raise $100,000. And running ads like this which a reporter covering the campaign got in her Instagram feed.


As seen while scrolling Instagram...sponsored @realDonaldTrump fundraising post. pic.twitter.com/CNgQPZFSp5

— Ali Vitali (@alivitali) June 20, 2016



As the Instagram campaign suggests, the Trump fundraising apparatus appears to be working at the Ginsu knives level of marketing. But that's likely unfair since that decades long campaign for the schlock iconic cutlery must have netted a huge sum of money - and I hear they're actually decent knives.

So it all comes down to, where's the money? We tend to look at Trump's threadbare campaign as a product of epic disorganization or the candidate's mercurial personality. But as the mammoth tv ad campaigns ramp up unanswered and field operations fail to materialize, those explanations are really no longer sufficient.

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Trump may be stingy. He may be saying that the RNC should take responsibility for fundraising, which is something it's clearly not capable of doing. (The RNC has massive fundraising capacity but it can't simply take on singlehanded what the candidate was expected to raise.) But as big a disaster as Trump's campaign is at the moment he stands a real shot at being the next president of the United States. It is simply not credible that he is standing on principle in not giving his campaign any more money at such a critical moment when his bid is being so deeply damaged.

The only credible answer is that it is difficult or perhaps even impossible for him to produce these comparatively small sums. If that's true, his claim to be worth billions of dollars must either be a pure sham and a fraud or some artful concoction of extreme leverage and accounting gimmickry, which makes it impossible to come up with actual cash. It's true that he's already loaned his campaign over $40 million, which at least suggests a substantial amount of liquid assets to draw on. But we've never really known where that money came from or whether it needs to be repaid to some other party. Indeed, Trump's unwillingness to give up his right to be repaid, essentially reimbursed for the primary campaign, by GOP high rollers has always been a telling but largely ignored detail.

It's been a subject of endless fascination for many to try to make sense of Trump's business empire and a producer of schadenfreude on an epic scale for those poking holes in his account of his billions. Perhaps later this week he'll prove me totally wrong and announce he's loaning himself another $100 million or $200 million. But I doubt it. If he could, why would he have allowed himself to get into this money crunch? This is now perhaps the critical question in the campaign: what happens if Donald Trump is effectively broke and can't produce critical funds for his campaign at make or break moments let alone self-fund the whole endeavor?
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/the-real-news-is-trump-is-broke

- How much money Trump has matters very much.

- I think what happened is that last summer Trump told Preibus that he would dump substantial amounts into his own campaign to encourage donors and to prove he could drive a campaign. IMO it was all smoke.

 
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Ivanka's role

Ivanka Trump, the candidate's daughter, played a pivotal role in convincing Trump to take action against Lewandowski. She had been critical of Lewandowski for months and this was not the first time that she had leaned on her father to part ways with his top aide. Contributing to Ivanka Trump's recent dissatisfaction with Lewandowski were intensifying tensions between Lewandowski and Ivanka Trump's husband, Jared Kushner, an influential force behind the scenes. One source said rumors swirled that Lewandowski had attempted to plant negative stories in the press about Kushner -- a final straw for Ivanka Trump.
By this point, Eric Trump, Ivanka Trump's brother, had already reached a breaking point with Lewandowski and expressed his frustrations about the campaign operations to his father, according to a senior campaign source.

It was ultimately Ivanka Trump who sat down with her father on Sunday and convinced him to let Lewandowski go -- even offering an ultimatum of sorts about her own continued involvement with the campaign, according to sources with knowledge of this conversation.
The development suggests that Kushner -- who is already involved in building a transition team for Donald Trump should he win the White House in November -- could play an increasingly prominent role in guiding the Trump campaign.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/20/politics/corey-lewandowski-out-as-trump-campaign-manager/index.html

 
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Ivanka and her husband?  :lmao:  Might be time to consider bringing in an experienced professional at this point instead of putting the family on the payroll to run the show. You really couldn't even make this stuff up if you tried.

 
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Reporters quickly poured in that Ivanka Trump was behind the Lewandowski hit; apparently, according to NBC News’ Katy Tur, “Ivanka has been particularly unhappy with Lewandowski and has felt that way ‘for months.’ The Michelle Fields incident put her over the top but it took time for her and the family to convince Trump he needed to oust Lewandowski.
http://www.dailywire.com/news/6739/panic-time-trump-dumps-campaign-manager-ben-shapiro

- Honestly all the turd polishing that went on - not only in the campaign, here in this thread and lo these many other bygone Trump threads, and really by Trumpites all over America - for Lewandowski and the hell he put Michelle Fields through and all along Ivanka wanted him canned and now he has been.

Good riddance.

 
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You know, the campaign season really is too long. Why would either candidate spend money right now? Theoretically both get bumps during their convention and what the polls say today will mean nothing after the crook and the narcissist start going head to head after they are nominated.

 
I think it's up to Trump to accept federal campaign financing.
Right, and if you accept public funds then you agree to limits on the amount your campaign can spend.  Both Obama and Romney declined public funds last time around because they didn't believe that the public financing restrictions would allow them enough money to campaign well.

 
http://www.dailywire.com/news/6739/panic-time-trump-dumps-campaign-manager-ben-shapiro

- Honestly all the turd polishing that went on - not only in the campaign, here in this thread and lo these many other bygone Trump threads, and really by Trumpites all over America - for Lewandowski and the hell he put Michelle Fields through and all along Ivanka wanted him canned and now he has been.

Good riddance.
Listen, you don't have to like Lewandowski, but can we stop pretending that he put Michelle Fields through some living hell that, in reality, she put herself through by grossly misrepresenting what transpired?

"Corey Lewandowski, who aggressively tried to pull me to the ground."   :lmao:   [From Michelle Fields: In Her Own Words]

 
Listen, you don't have to like Lewandowski, but can we stop pretending that he put Michelle Fields through some living hell that, in reality, she put herself through by grossly misrepresenting what transpired?

"Corey Lewandowski, who aggressively tried to pull me to the ground."   :lmao:   [From Michelle Fields: In Her Own Words]
You're right.  The proper take on this is: "Ivanka got upset about nothing and convinced Daddy to can his campaign manager because blood was coming from her eyes and her whatever and he wasn't man enough to stand up to her."

 
You're right.  The proper take on this is: "Ivanka got upset about nothing and convinced Daddy to can his campaign manager because blood was coming from her eyes and her whatever and he wasn't man enough to stand up to her."
Were you trying to mimic the Fields' overly emotional but no so logical response?

You do see where you can have both, right?

Lewandowski likely made many mistakes as campaign manager and Ivanka likely didn't appreciate the negative press that the Fields incident generated, but that doesn't mean that Lewandowski put Fields through hell.  Honest people can clearly see on the video that the incident was not nearly as significant or violent as Fields made it out to be, and honest people can admit that Lewandowski was probably out of his league for such a prominent national roll.

 
Listen, you don't have to like Lewandowski, but can we stop pretending that he put Michelle Fields through some living hell that, in reality, she put herself through by grossly misrepresenting what transpired?

"Corey Lewandowski, who aggressively tried to pull me to the ground."   :lmao:   [From Michelle Fields: In Her Own Words]


- It's quite apparent it is now one of the causes of his firing.

Let's stop pretending he didn't screw up and all statements to the contrary have been shown false. Ivanka showed him the door and apparently she has wanted to since the Fields incident.

 
You know, the campaign season really is too long. Why would either candidate spend money right now? Theoretically both get bumps during their convention and what the polls say today will mean nothing after the crook and the narcissist start going head to head after they are nominated.
The worst damage done to Romney in 2012 was in the six weeks prior to the convection. They went hard at him and cemented his reputation as a heartless venture capitalist. Right now Hillary is running TV ads virtually unapposed in battleground states. Trump's getting ready for a roadie to Scotland. 

 
Right, and if you accept public funds then you agree to limits on the amount your campaign can spend.  Both Obama and Romney declined public funds last time around because they didn't believe that the public financing restrictions would allow them enough money to campaign well.
That shouldn't be a problem for Donald. Only thing is I doubt he can use it to pay off his campaign debt and his internal expenses which I bet is his biggest concern.

 
The worst damage done to Romney in 2012 was in the six weeks prior to the convection. They went hard at him and cemented his reputation as a heartless venture capitalist. Right now Hillary is running TV ads virtually unapposed in battleground states. Trump's getting ready for a roadie to Scotland. 
That the worst damage was done to Romney during the six before before the convention is irrelevant to the campaign season being too long.

 
Bernie supporter attempts to assassinate Trump at Las Vegas rally.

Sandford told officers he drove from California to kill Trump and went to a Las Vegas gun range, the day before the Saturday rally, to learn to shoot.

Sandford later went to a Trump rally at the Treasure Island Casino and approached a Las Vegas police officer to say he wanted an autograph from Trump.

The report says Sandford was arrested after grabbing the handle of an officer's gun in an attempt to remove it.
I wonder if any Democrats will condemn this behavior.

:tumbleweed:

 
Is there anyone who condones that behavior?
Is it that surprising to you that there are many that do? Use your brain for a second, the media is portraying Trump as HItler, so what does that make his supporters? Don't think too hard about this one.

 
Hey dfsguy, what happened to the thread about the rape by Syrian refugees you started?
Mod deleted it because you guys do the same thing with every thread you don't agree with, garbage it up and force the mod to suspend like 10 of you or delete the thread. Grats on censoring me.

 
Is it that surprising to you that there are many that do? Use your brain for a second, the media is portraying Trump as HItler, so what does that make his supporters? Don't think too hard about this one.
This is spot on.  Trump is just a symptom of the problem.

 
Mod deleted it because you guys do the same thing with every thread you don't agree with, garbage it up and force the mod to suspend like 10 of you or delete the thread. Grats on censoring me.
"We are not content with negative obedience, nor even with the most abject submission. When finally you surrender to us, it must be of your own free will. We do not destroy the heretic because he resists us; so long as he resists us we never destroy him. We convert him, we capture his inner mind, we reshape him. We burn all evil and all illusion out of him; we bring him over to our side, not in appearance, but genuinely, heart and soul. We make him one of ourselves before we kill him. It is intolerable to us that an erroneous thought should exist anywhere in the world, however secret and powerless it may be. Even in the instance of death we cannot permit any deviation . . . we make the brain perfect before we blow it out."

 
Mod deleted it because you guys do the same thing with every thread you don't agree with, garbage it up and force the mod to suspend like 10 of you or delete the thread. Grats on censoring me.
I seem to remember that GM made it very obvious that no such rape had taken place, so maybe that could be the reason the thread got canned.

Or maybe you went all HellToupee on it when you got planed. One of the two, I guess.

 
This is spot on.  Trump is just a symptom of the problem.
The problem is the media brainwashing simple little morons into thinking Trump is hitler because he said he wants to build a wall, lols. You can't have Trump be hitler without his supporters being nazis and by the media tricking morons into thinking Trump is hitler they are actually promoting violence against normal decent people.

 
Bernie supporter attempts to assassinate Trump at Las Vegas rally.

Sandford told officers he drove from California to kill Trump and went to a Las Vegas gun range, the day before the Saturday rally, to learn to shoot.

Sandford later went to a Trump rally at the Treasure Island Casino and approached a Las Vegas police officer to say he wanted an autograph from Trump.

The report says Sandford was arrested after grabbing the handle of an officer's gun in an attempt to remove it.
Yeah this is bad news. Also possibly inevitable. There was a post further up from last weekend maybe where someone was caught with a gun I think, this must be the same thing?

- eta - also it's not stated that he's a Sanders supporter... not sure we know what he's about yet.

 
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I seem to remember that GM made it very obvious that no such rape had taken place, so maybe that could be the reason the thread got canned.

Or maybe you went all HellToupee on it when you got planed. One of the two, I guess.
is GM your daddy? The way you assume he is right just because he said it is amazing to me.

 
Is it that surprising to you that there are many that do? Use your brain for a second, the media is portraying Trump as HItler, so what does that make his supporters? Don't think too hard about this one.
So,no actual answer to my question just a poorly formed straw man argument?

 
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