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Official Donald Trump for President thread (5 Viewers)

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TobiasFunke said:
The difference (one of them, anyway) is that Obama voters four years ago were more than willing to offer lengthy, rational, policy-based explanations as to why they were voting for him.  And when someone challenged them on one of their arguments they could respond. And when someone tried to explain something they hated about Obama, they'd respond to that too.

Trump's been a candidate for over a year now and we haven't gotten a single post explaining why someone would vote for him on the issues. The closest we've come is "protectionist trade policies!" but then as soon as someone points out that virtually every economist on both sides of the aisle rejects that as a terrible idea it's back to trolling and memes. And not one person responds to the many well-researched criticisms of Trump that have been posted here. 

For example I can pretty much guarantee that no pro-Trump voter will touch that Atlantic article about his sleazy "charity" workings on substance. If someone had posted something like that on Obama four years ago, posters would have broken it out point by point and explained why it was not accurate or not fair or whatever.  Care to take a shot on behalf of your guy?
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Speaking of crickets, I'm still waiting on my request for the bolded. Come on guys, prove me wrong.

 
Bucky86 said:
I'm guessing it will be, "Charities got the money so what does it matter? CLINTON gave speeches to BANKS!!!!!!!!!!!"
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Except they often didn't.  Some of it went to buy that 6 foot Trump self-portrait, some of it went to Mar-a-Lago to pay rental fees for a big event, some of it went to fund petty, baseless lawsuits against Trump's political opponents ...

 
Everyone is going to be stuck with Trump as President.

When ever liberals go absolutely crazy about a Republican candidate they lose

1980 - Reagan and 2004 with George W. Bush being the most recent cases

Ford in 76 was benign

Reagan in 84 was a known commodity

George Bush in 88 and 92 was not a threat

Bob Dole in 96 was your grandad

George W Bush in 2000 - hey this compassionate conservatism doesnt sound bad

John McCain in 2008 was your crazy Uncle and only lost cause of Palin

Mitt Romney in 2012 was Vanilla

Trump in 16 is the devil, just like Reagan in 80 and GWB in 04

 
TobiasFunke said:
Speaking of crickets, I'm still waiting on my request for the bolded. Come on guys, prove me wrong.
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I gave proof that Trump wasn't making fun of the reporter for being disabled and all you anti-trumpers ignored it/refused to believe it, so why would anyone waste time explaining stuff to you guys? A lot of you are intellectually dishonest /irrational, and would never admit to being wrong

can you justify Hillary taking Saudi money? That would be like Trump taking money from David Duke but 1000 times worse, because the Saudi's actually kill people for being gay, and Duke never murdered anyone.

 
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Eligoesdeep said:
I gave proof that Trump wasn't making fun of the reporter for being disabled and all you anti-trumpers ignored it/refused to believe it, so why would anyone waste time explaining stuff to you guys? A lot of you are intellectually dishonest /irrational, and would never admit to being wrong

can you justify Hillary taking Saudi money? That would be like Trump taking money from David Duke but 1000 times worse, because the Saudi's actually kill people for being gay, and Duke never murdered anyone.
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That wasn't "proof," it was evidence suggesting the possibility that he wasn't mocking the reporter, and it was evaluated on its merits.  At least one left-leaning poster said it made him less certain that Trump was mocking that reporter's specific disability. I'd agree with that. I still think it's pretty certain, especially since he prefaced it with "you gotta see this guy ..." and then made much more exaggerated gestures than in the video. But I would say I went from around 99% certain to 97% certain he was doing so based on your post and the linked videos.

Anyway, I will be happy to address certain facts and allegations as you request, but not until you respond to my request, which I made before you.  Here's the Atlantic article again so you don't have to go back and look for it.

 
TobiasFunke said:
That wasn't "proof," it was evidence suggesting the possibility that he wasn't mocking the reporter, and it was evaluated on its merits.  At least one left-leaning poster said it made him less certain that Trump was mocking that reporter's specific disability. I'd agree with that. I still think it's pretty certain, especially since he prefaced it with "you gotta see this guy ..." and then made much more exaggerated gestures than in the video. But I would say I went from around 99% certain to 97% certain he was doing so based on your post and the linked videos.

Anyway, I will be happy to address certain facts and allegations as you request, but not until you respond to my request, which I made before you.  Here's the Atlantic article again so you don't have to go back and look for it.
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So out of all the anti-trumpers on here only one is intellectually honest?

Anyway, clicked your link and stopped reading because it was just a big :tinfoilhat:

 
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The only one that compares is Reagan and he was welcomed by a lot of liberals who were angry over the economy.

 
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Eligoesdeep said:
So out of all the anti-trumpers on here only one is intellectually honest?

Anyway, clicked your linked and stopped reading because it was just a big :tinfoilhat:
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A number of them are intellectually honest.  I just suspect most of them simply don't really care much if they go from 99% to 97% certain that a presidential candidate is mocking a specific disabled person rather than just "doing a standard #######," as Anne Coulter so eloquently put it. 

On the bolded- how so?  Break it down for us. What allegation do you dispute or think is unfounded? That was my request, and what I said was the difference between Trump supporters and everyone else. If you visit the Clinton thread you'll see many posts from me and others attacking specific points of articles with which we disagree or that we think are poorly supported.

 
TobiasFunke said:
A number of them are intellectually honest.  I just suspect most of them simply don't really care much if they go from 99% to 97% certain that a presidential candidate is mocking a specific disabled person rather than just "doing a standard #######," as Anne Coulter so eloquently put it. 

On the bolded- how so?  Break it down for us. What allegation do you dispute or think is unfounded? That was my request, and what I said was the difference between Trump supporters and everyone else. If you visit the Clinton thread you'll see many posts from me and others attacking specific points of articles with which we disagree or that we think are poorly supported.
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this isn't aliensreallyexistguys.com, if you want we can debate your conspiracy theory there.

 
This exact same polling pattern happened with Romney.  Closed the gap from about the start of September right up to mid-October to the point that you had idiots pouring tens of millions of dollars in Vegas and intrade on it.  Intrade doesn't exist anymore, they cashed those checks and headed for the beach, and I assume vegas hasn't moved.

 
John Maddens Lunchbox said:
Everyone is going to be stuck with Trump as President.

When ever liberals go absolutely crazy about a Republican candidate they lose

1980 - Reagan and 2004 with George W. Bush being the most recent cases

Ford in 76 was benign

Reagan in 84 was a known commodity

George Bush in 88 and 92 was not a threat

Bob Dole in 96 was your grandad

George W Bush in 2000 - hey this compassionate conservatism doesnt sound bad

John McCain in 2008 was your crazy Uncle and only lost cause of Palin

Mitt Romney in 2012 was Vanilla

Trump in 16 is the devil, just like Reagan in 80 and GWB in 04
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I don't see the predictive value in 2 out of the last 10 elections a republican who the left really hated winning. 

It happened in reverse 2 out of the last 2 elections. Hilary's a shoe-in

 
timschochet said:
squistion said:
:lol:

NBC Nightly News ‏@NBCNightlyNews 28m28 minutes ago

WATCH: At Flint church, pastor interrupts Trump and asks him to refrain from giving political speech on Clinton.

(Video at link) :

https://twitter.com/NBCNightlyNews/status/776152341653299200
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https://www.google.com/amp/theconcourse.deadspin.com/this-woman-actually-got-donald-trump-to-shut-the-####-u-1786640463/amp?client=safari
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Yaknow it is funny but he was pretty nice and respectful there.

 
culdeus said:
This exact same polling pattern happened with Romney.  Closed the gap from about the start of September right up to mid-October to the point that you had idiots pouring tens of millions of dollars in Vegas and intrade on it.  Intrade doesn't exist anymore, they cashed those checks and headed for the beach, and I assume vegas hasn't moved.
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I difference is Trump hasn't even started on (H)illary. This slump and Trumps rise is all on her. Once the commercials start she's done for.

 
Dexter said:
I difference is Trump hasn't even started on (H)illary. This slump and Trumps rise is all on her. Once the commercials start she's done for.
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What commercials???

And Hillary has twice as much money as Trump. If he ever gets around to putting a commercial campaign together (i.e., as soon as one of his kids sets up a TV commercial production company so he can funnel your campaign contributions directly to them), Hillary could just buy ad space before and after every one of his commercials.

 
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[scooter] said:
What commercials???

And Hillary has twice as much money as Trump. If he ever gets around to putting a commercial campaign together (i.e., as soon as one of his kids sets up a TV commercial production company so he can funnel your campaign contributions directly to them), Hillary could just buy ad space before and after every one of his commercials.
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Actually, Hillary has 4 times the money but she spent 75% of it already.  

 
CONFIRM MERRICK GARLAND!!!!!

What a national embarrassment McConnell has made of our government. What a #### and #### all the Republicans that back him. 
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Rohn Jambo said:
[scooter] said:
What commercials???

And Hillary has twice as much money as Trump. If he ever gets around to putting a commercial campaign together (i.e., as soon as one of his kids sets up a TV commercial production company so he can funnel your campaign contributions directly to them), Hillary could just buy ad space before and after every one of his commercials.
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Actually, Hillary has 4 times the money but she spent 75% of it already.  
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Actually Hillary has spent 78.3% of her money. Which seems like a lot until you look at Trump and notice that he's actually spent nearly the same percentage (70.4%).

From the most recent FEC filing, Hillary still has twice as much money as Trump ($84.4 million to $42.1 million).

But I'm sure Trump can raise enough money in the next 2 months to catch Hillary, right? Because I'm sure all those wealthy donors are eager to pay the increased prices that Trump's been charging to use his stuff.

 
If you look at the current fivethirtyeight electoral map, it appears that it will come down to Florida. If Hillary loses in Florida and Ohio, her only chance will be to flip North Carolina, where Trump has a slight lead.  

 
Then the Lord said to Moses, “Go in to Pharaoh and say to him, ‘Thus says the Lord, “Let my people go, that they may serve me.

2 But if you refuse to let them go, behold, I will plague all your country with frogs.

3 The Nile shall swarm with frogs that shall come up into your house and into your bedroom and on your bed and into the houses of your servants and your people,[b] and into your ovens and your kneading bowls.

4 The frogs shall come up on you and on your people and on all your servants.”’”

5 [c] And the Lord said to Moses, “Say to Aaron, ‘Stretch out your hand with your staff over the rivers, over the canals and over the pools, and make frogs come up on the land of Egypt!’”

6 So Aaron stretched out his hand over the waters of Egypt, and the frogs came up and covered the land of Egypt. 7 But the magicians did the same by their secret arts and made frogs come up on the land of Egypt.

 
PlasmaDogPlasma said:
SoBeDad said:
If you look at the current fivethirtyeight electoral map, it appears that it will come down to Florida. If Hillary loses in Florida and Ohio, her only chance will be to flip North Carolina, where Trump has a slight lead.  
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She can lose OH, FL, NC and NV and still win as long as she gets PA and VA.

http://www.270towin.com/maps/w1Bny
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And she can lose VA if she holds NV and flips Iowa (where she's trailing by 1.1%).

She could also theoretically lose every single one of the big swing states (PA/OH/FL/NC/VA) and still win if she flips Arizona (down 3.6%) and Georgia (down 4.7%). Not that there's a realistic chance of that scenario coming into play, but it illustrates how Clinton has many paths to victory but Trump's paths pretty much all require Pennsylvania.

You could give Trump a 3.4% boost in every single state and Hillary would still lock up 272 electoral votes.

 
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