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timschochet said:
I'm totally unglued. Enjoy it if you like. I think this man is going to cause great economic and social pain if he is elected. I think the people who support him the most are the ones who will suffer the most under his presidency. I can't believe that Americans seem so willing to walk into what is so obviously going to be a catastrophe. 

But go ahead and gloat and laugh as if this is a football game and against all odds your team has taken the lead. Hey it's only the future of the USA. No big deal. 
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:lmao:

 
Joe Summer said:
bueno:
 

There are two things wrong with this post. One is a failure of logic, the other is a failure of knowledge.

1. Failure of logic: you stated "Obama brought the birther thing on himself" and "it doesn't matter where he was born". These two statements completely contradict each other. How could Obama have brought the birther thing on himself when it didn't even matter where he was born?

2. Failure of knowledge: based on the citizenship laws on the books in 1961, it did matter where he was born. (Because Obama's mother had not lived in the country long enough for her son to qualify as a natural born citizen).

Furthermore, your entire premise is based on flawed logic, because the birther movement (and Trump's connection to it) did not end when Obama released his long-form certificate.
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1. They do not. The failure of logic was with the whole birther movement. It doesn't matter where he was born if his mother was a U.S. citizen and lived in country for 5 years (I think it is). Once he released the long form, the conspiracy would have died, had he done it quickly.

2. Obama's mother was born in the U.S. that makes her a U.S. citizen. She had lived in the U.S. 18 years.

3. It did not end because people were already suspicious - again, his fault.

 
Daywalker said:
It wasn't really about where Obama was born.  It was always about white people who couldn't accept a black man as their leader.
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Well yeah, obviously. Romney made that pretty clear with his "nobody's ever asked for my birth certificate" comment in 2012. 

I'm just saying it's funny that even his completely full of #### explanation still makes him look like a fool.

 
Obama brought the whole 'Muslim' thing on himself by allowing his parents to move him to Indonesia and getting enrolled in a madrassa.

 
timschochet said:
I can't believe that Americans seem so willing to walk into what is so obviously going to be a catastrophe. 

But go ahead and gloat and laugh as if this is a football game and against all odds your team has taken the lead. Hey it's only the future of the USA. No big deal. 
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I'd like to see the argument to this point. Doubtful it arrives.

 
bueno said:
1. They do not. The failure of logic was with the whole birther movement. It doesn't matter where he was born if his mother was a U.S. citizen and lived in country for 5 years (I think it is). Once he released the long form, the conspiracy would have died, had he done it quickly.

2. Obama's mother was born in the U.S. that makes her a U.S. citizen. She had lived in the U.S. 18 years.

3. It did not end because people were already suspicious - again, his fault.
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IIRC, the issue was that according to the laws at the time she needed to live in the U.S. as an adult for 5 years, which obviously she couldn't have done at 18.

The idiotic part is that people believe an 18 year old girl is flying around the world by herself with a baby in the early 1960's.

 
timschochet said:
I'm totally unglued. Enjoy it if you like. I think this man is going to cause great economic and social pain if he is elected. I think the people who support him the most are the ones who will suffer the most under his presidency. I can't believe that Americans seem so willing to walk into what is so obviously going to be a catastrophe. 

But go ahead and gloat and laugh as if this is a football game and against all odds your team has taken the lead. Hey it's only the future of the USA. No big deal. 
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We are going to make it great again. Losers will be left behind.

Oh, and you will have yourself to blame because just about any D could beat Trump but you hitched your wagon to a turd.

 
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Card Trader said:
Anti-Trumpers are coming unglued already, and it's only September, this is glorious to watch
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Trump supporters have been unglued for several months now.

Talk about glorious to watch...bannings, new aliases, complaints about being suspended and mods being biased.  Its been spectacular to see.

 
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bueno, refusing to abandon a lost cause:

1. They do not. The failure of logic was with the whole birther movement. It doesn't matter where he was born if his mother was a U.S. citizen and lived in country for 5 years (I think it is). Once he released the long form, the conspiracy would have died, had he done it quickly.

2. Obama's mother was born in the U.S. that makes her a U.S. citizen. She had lived in the U.S. 18 years.
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1. you stated two things that contradicted each other. There is no disputing that. You can argue all you want that it's all Obama's fault, but that does not change the fact that you made two contradictory statements.

2. do yourself a favor and educate yourself on citizenship laws before posting here. We already went through this in 2008 and 2012. The citizenship law that was in place in 1961 would have required Obama's mother (if Obama had not been born in the U.S.) to have been physically present in the United States for at least 5 years after the age of 14. Since she'd only been physically present for 4 1/2 years, that would have meant that Obama wouldn't have been a citizen at birth.

 
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bueno said:
Of course he did. He could have just released the long form when the issue was first brought up, but he refused. Human nature being what it is, his opponents wondered what he was hiding. It was a stupid move on his part.
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G T F O :lol:

Every dip#### conspiracy guy out there doesn't get his every question answered. 

 
Hey conspiracy guys. Trump not releasing his taxes because of NAMBLA is all over the place. Please chew on that one for awhile.

It is a very serious and pressing issue that we must get to the bottom of.

 
The General said:
Hey conspiracy guys. Trump not releasing his taxes because of NAMBLA is all over the place. Please chew on that one for awhile.

It is a very serious and pressing issue that we must get to the bottom of.
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He brought it on himself by not releasing his taxes...right?

 
3C's said:
Wonder who is paying Trump for use of his hotel ballroom? The campaign (aka donating suckers) or the medal of honor recipients? 
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He overcharged his campaign for it guaranteed :lol:

All the chumps out there donating may as well be writing the checks straight to the orange one.

 
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/150496020026/trump-and-birtherism-update

Moments ago, Donald Trump acknowledged that Barack Obama was born in the United States. You all know that’s a big deal because Trump was the leader of the so-called “birther” movement, which critics called racist.

But watch the festival of cognitive dissonance that happens today among Trump’s critics and the media. They need to explain why the birther thing was racist. What exactly is the reasoning for that connection?

Jake Tapper says the connection between the birther movement and racism is so obvious that you would have to be “naive” to think it wasn’t about race, given that Obama is black. And also given that the “birther” idea had no credible evidence.

But how does that explain why Trump said Ted Cruz was Canadian? Is it because Trump is also racist against Canadians?

That’s the problem the media will have to wrestle with today. And Trump has turned all of them into idiots because there is no real answer to the Ted Cruz analogy. A rational person would look at this situation and say that Trump uses every available option to win, and birtherism helped him get this far because it gave him a launch pad.

Birtherism also allowed Trump to do what hypnotists call pacing and leading. First, he matched the Obama-hating Republicans by being one of them. That’s called pacing. Once they accepted him as one of them, he was in the position to lead. He just did that by saying Obama was born in this country. 

The answer to why Trump pursued the birther issue is that he thought it would work for him, persuasion-wise. And it did. Unambiguously. Just the way a Master Persuader would expect. 

First he paces, then he leads. Watch for that pattern in everything he does.

 
TobiasFunke said:
It's like raaaaaaiin, on your imported brunette

Its a free ride, like you think black people get

It's the good advice, but you can't avoid crushing debt

Who would have thought it figures?
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I have nothing to add here.  Just quoting it in case folks scrolling by missed it on their first pass down the page.

 
timschochet said:
I'm totally unglued. Enjoy it if you like. I think this man is going to cause great economic and social pain if he is elected. I think the people who support him the most are the ones who will suffer the most under his presidency. I can't believe that Americans seem so willing to walk into what is so obviously going to be a catastrophe. 

But go ahead and gloat and laugh as if this is a football game and against all odds your team has taken the lead. Hey it's only the future of the USA. No big deal. 
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Have you taken precautions to be medically supervised on election night?

 
For people saying that Trump copied Hillary's birther because of racism can you please walk us through how this is different than Canadian Ted Cruz?

 
Eligoesdeep said:
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/150496020026/trump-and-birtherism-update

Moments ago, Donald Trump acknowledged that Barack Obama was born in the United States. You all know that’s a big deal because Trump was the leader of the so-called “birther” movement, which critics called racist.

But watch the festival of cognitive dissonance that happens today among Trump’s critics and the media. They need to explain why the birther thing was racist. What exactly is the reasoning for that connection?

Jake Tapper says the connection between the birther movement and racism is so obvious that you would have to be “naive” to think it wasn’t about race, given that Obama is black. And also given that the “birther” idea had no credible evidence.

But how does that explain why Trump said Ted Cruz was Canadian? Is it because Trump is also racist against Canadians?

That’s the problem the media will have to wrestle with today. And Trump has turned all of them into idiots because there is no real answer to the Ted Cruz analogy. A rational person would look at this situation and say that Trump uses every available option to win, and birtherism helped him get this far because it gave him a launch pad.

Birtherism also allowed Trump to do what hypnotists call pacing and leading. First, he matched the Obama-hating Republicans by being one of them. That’s called pacing. Once they accepted him as one of them, he was in the position to lead. He just did that by saying Obama was born in this country. 

The answer to why Trump pursued the birther issue is that he thought it would work for him, persuasion-wise. And it did. Unambiguously. Just the way a Master Persuader would expect. 

First he paces, then he leads. Watch for that pattern in everything he does.
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Just in case anyone else is wondering about this moronic "what about Cruz?" argument ... the obvious difference is that there was no factual dispute in the case of Cruz.  That dispute was legal in nature, about interpretation of the phrase "natural born citizen."  Trump never claimed that Cruz was lying about who he was.

In contrast, Trump went through 60+ years of life in the public spotlight without questioning the heritage of any presidential candidate.  Then as soon as a black one came along, he did the political equivalent of throwing him up against the wall and demanding to see his papers. He hasn't done that since, either, not even with Cruz, whose birth certificate he accepted as legitimate without challenge even has he challenged the application of the law to Cruz.

If you can't see the racial component in that, I feel sorry for you.  From what I've read and heard it seems like virtually every black person in America can see it, and many other minorities and white people can see it too.

 
TobiasFunke said:
Just in case anyone else is wondering about this moronic "what about Cruz?" argument ... the obvious difference is that there was no factual dispute in the case of Cruz.  That dispute was legal in nature, about interpretation of the phrase "natural born citizen."  Trump never claimed that Cruz was lying about who he was.

In contrast, Trump went through 60+ years of life in the public spotlight without questioning the heritage of any presidential candidate.  Then as soon as a black one came along, he did the political equivalent of throwing him up against the wall and demanding to see his papers. He hasn't done that since, either, not even with Cruz, whose birth certificate he accepted as legitimate without challenge even has he challenged the application of the law to Cruz.

If you can't see the racial component in that, I feel sorry for you.  From what I've read and heard it seems like virtually every black person in America can see it, and many other minorities and white people can see it too.
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:lmao: cognitive dissonance

 
timschochet said:
Wow. For those who missed it, Trump gave a 30 minute commercial for his new hotel and military endorsements. Then at the end he said "Hillary Clinton started the Birther movement in 2008. I ended it. Barack Obama was born in the United States. Thank you." 
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Think of how different your life would be, or could be, if you were completely devoid of shame. 

 
Trump has tremendous Russian debt. That is why he is not releasing his taxes and is policies are so pro Russia. we need to figure out what's going on with his income and debt. its so intertwined with Russian oligarchs your head will spin. 

 
Eligoesdeep said:
For people saying that Trump copied Hillary's birther because of racism can you please walk us through how this is different than Canadian Ted Cruz?
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No one who thinks Trump copied Hillary on the birther issue thinks it was racially motivated.

Those who do see a racist motivation behind the birther movement Trump championed and did not accept was over until years after it was settled probably point to Trump's campaign promise to build a big-### wall to keep people with surnames like "Cruz" out of the country because Trump thinks too many of them are rapists and drug traffickers poisoning the USA.

 
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cry moar, cnn

CNN’s Jake Tapper complained about a “political Rick roll.” Gloria Borger furiously accused Trump of “a breathtaking act of political expediency.” Anchor Ashleigh Banfield slammed Trump for “Birther crap,” and complained that Trump staff had prevented a CNN journalist from joining him on a tour of his new hotel. CNN’s chief national correspondent John King summed it up best: “I don’t know what to say here … We got played, again, by the @realDonaldTrump campaign.”
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:cry:

 
timschochet said:
I'm totally unglued. Enjoy it if you like. I think this man is going to cause great economic and social pain if he is elected. I think the people who support him the most are the ones who will suffer the most under his presidency. I can't believe that Americans seem so willing to walk into what is so obviously going to be a catastrophe. 

But go ahead and gloat and laugh as if this is a football game and against all odds your team has taken the lead. Hey it's only the future of the USA. No big deal. 
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:lol:  

 
The General said:
G T F O :lol:

Every dip#### conspiracy guy out there doesn't get his every question answered. 
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Nor should they, but think of the mess it would cause if, after having been elected, passing laws, making appointments, etc. if it was found that he wasn't qualified in the first place. Would the appointments made and laws passed be null and void? How would you clean up a mess like that? So, IMO, citizenship must be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. Has nothing to do with his race, at least for me.

 
Joe Summer said:
bueno, refusing to abandon a lost cause:
 

1. you stated two things that contradicted each other. There is no disputing that. You can argue all you want that it's all Obama's fault, but that does not change the fact that you made two contradictory statements.

2. do yourself a favor and educate yourself on citizenship laws before posting here. We already went through this in 2008 and 2012. The citizenship law that was in place in 1961 would have required Obama's mother (if Obama had not been born in the U.S.) to have been physically present in the United States for at least 5 years after the age of 14. Since she'd only been physically present for 4 1/2 years, that would have meant that Obama wouldn't have been a citizen at birth.
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You got to admit, I go down fighting! All he had to do was release the long form. It's his fault that he refused to do so.

 
Eligoesdeep said:
Why is that? Will they start running false headlines about his son telling a holocaust joke? Oops, those scumbags already do that.
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Well if you don't want the headlines, don't make the joke....I know that logical and all, so it probably won't mean anything to you, but that's the way it usually works.  

 
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