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This is revisionist history.  Everybody knew at the time that a vote to give Bush authority to go to war was a vote for war.  We debated the run-up to the Iraq war practically non-stop for months around here.  


The resolution "supported" and "encouraged" diplomatic efforts by President George W. Bush to "strictly enforce through the U.N. Security Council all relevant Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq" and "obtain prompt and decisive action by the Security Council to ensure that Iraq abandons its strategy of delay, evasion, and noncompliance and promptly and strictly complies with all relevant Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq."

The resolution authorized President Bush to use the Armed Forces of the United States "as he determines to be necessary and appropriate" in order to "defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council Resolutions regarding Iraq."


She absolutely did not know it was a given that Bush would invade Iraq and the invasion did not happen until 5 months later after Bush concocted a bunch of lies to justify an invasion.

Besides, resolutions like this are merely a formality since the President can order troops into battle without the approval of Congress.

 
Dear Mr. Drudge,

Go #### yourself. 

"The deplorables are starting to wonder if govt has been lying to them about Hurricane Matthew intensity to make exaggerated point on climate"

- actual Tweet from Matt Drudge

 
Dear Mr. Drudge,

Go #### yourself. 

"The deplorables are starting to wonder if govt has been lying to them about Hurricane Matthew intensity to make exaggerated point on climate"

- actual Tweet from Matt Drudge
This is a thing with the right wingers. Rush was saying something similar. 

 
Dear Mr. Drudge,

Go #### yourself. 

"The deplorables are starting to wonder if govt has been lying to them about Hurricane Matthew intensity to make exaggerated point on climate"

- actual Tweet from Matt Drudge
Death toll in Haiti is up to 268. How very Christian of him.

 
jerry jones said:
Anyone else notice that Trump supporters are called "thin-skinned", "dangerous", "ignorant", "stupid", "frightening", "sad"......the list goes on & on.

what the hell?

It wouldn't surprise me if Trump does end up winning even though the polls show him trailing, a lot of people are not going to be announcing that they are voting for him with all this ridiculous and unamerican name calling going on.
I'm really curious how you think polling works exactly. 

 
Dear Mr. Drudge,

Go #### yourself. 

"The deplorables are starting to wonder if govt has been lying to them about Hurricane Matthew intensity to make exaggerated point on climate"

- actual Tweet from Matt Drudge
Of course. That's one of the many endearing things they do that make them deplorable.

 
The Chinese obviously have a weather machine. We're all doomed.
It's more like weather machines - all those regulation free slave labor factories pouring out pollutants so we can by cheap computers, televisions, phones, lawn furniture, drywall, MAGA hats, etc. And the wonderful fossil fuel burning power plants that drive the factories of course.

 
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The situation in Syria is so messed up and so complicated that even in hindsight it's difficult to figure out what we should have done. A few months back I thought it was a legitimate criticism of Hillary and Obama to so why we chose to oppose Assad at the same time as opposing ISIS. I don't ask that question anymore because Assad has turned out to be so savage and evil that we must oppose him if we are to be the nation we've always been. 

Those that think Hillary has screwed up the Middle East during her years as SOS- please explain what you would have done differently and how it would have helped. 

 
Nice, succinct 6 point summation of why even conservatives that hate Hillary should not vote for Trump:

My link
"If you are an average person with an education and a genie offered you the chance to live in any country, at any time in the history of the world, you would be a moron not to pick the USA in 2016."

 
Another crazy criticism of Obama and Hillary is that they pulled forces out of Iraq too soon creating the vacuum that led to ISIS. 

Try to imagine what the reaction among conservatives would have been if Obama had broken Bush's pledge, ignored the Iraqi government's demands, and kept the majority of troops in Iraq. They would have tried to impeach him. 

 
This is revisionist history.  Everybody knew at the time that a vote to give Bush authority to go to war was a vote for war.  We debated the run-up to the Iraq war practically non-stop for months around here.  
I mean, the measure was called the authorization for military force. It was, at the very least an explicit abdication of Congress' war powers. 

I don't think it proves she's some super hawk (she did work for the Iran deal, after all). But it's a legitimate criticism of her from those few in the left who didn't cave. Not so much from Trump. 

 
Bono fires Trump at U2 show

By Louis Nelson

10/06/16 03:00 PM EDT



Direct Link to the video


U2 frontman Bono has some questions for Donald Trump, so he sought answers from sound bites of the Manhattan billionaire at a recent show.

A video posted to the band’s Facebook page makes no secret of Bono’s distaste for the Republican presidential nominee. In it, Bono engages in a back-and-forth with Trump, who is referred to only as “candidate,” using clips of the reality TV star’s speeches for his answers.

“I’m really rich. Turned out, I’m much richer than anybody ever knew. Billions and billions and millions of dollars,” Trump says on a massive video screen above the stage, clipping together statements from multiple speeches. With his band playing behind him, Bono replies “and, and, and your point is?”

On-screen Trump repeats his line about being rich, prompting Bono to ask, “Well, look, we’re very glad for you, candidate. Sincerely, we are. Only real question we have for you this evening: What is your vision for this great nation?” That is followed by Trump’s oft-repeated pledge to build a wall along America’s southern border and force Mexico to pay for it, prompting Bono to ask if Trump’s wall would be “like the Berlin Wall? Like the Great Wall of China?”

“Now candidate, you understand it’s not just Mexican people who are going to have a problem with this great wall of yours. It’s everyone who loves the idea of America. Like the Irish, for example. Or the French. Or the Brazilians,” he said, half asking, half singing as he quoted and paraphrased Emma Lazarus’ poem “The New Colossus,” which is inscribed on the Statue of Liberty. “Everyone who loves the idea of America, everyone who believes what they read at the foot of the bottom of the Statue of Liberty. Give me your tired. Your poor. Your huddled masses, yearning to break free. Give me your tired. Your poor. Your huddled masses, yearning to breathe free.”

Bono continues his exchange with video Trump, asking the GOP nominee if he means “all of us” when he said of undocumented immigrants, “if I win, they’re going back.” The clip of Trump promising that they’re going back plays again, to which Bono says, “Now, candidate, good people are not going to stay silent while you run off with the American dream. All right, candidate? You hear me, candidate? You’re fired.”

The video continues on, with Bono asking the video monitor if Trump was talking about band members The Edge, Larry Mullen Jr. and Adam Clayton when he said, “You know what they used to do guys like that? They’d be carried out on a stretcher, folks.”

The clip finishes with footage of Trump repeating “build that wall” over and over, with Bono speaking over it — “and inside, it’s America. Fortress, fortress America" — as the band plays the song "Bullet the Blue Sky."

 
The situation in Syria is so messed up and so complicated that even in hindsight it's difficult to figure out what we should have done. A few months back I thought it was a legitimate criticism of Hillary and Obama to so why we chose to oppose Assad at the same time as opposing ISIS. I don't ask that question anymore because Assad has turned out to be so savage and evil that we must oppose him if we are to be the nation we've always been. 

Those that think Hillary has screwed up the Middle East during her years as SOS- please explain what you would have done differently and how it would have helped. 
Another crazy criticism of Obama and Hillary is that they pulled forces out of Iraq too soon creating the vacuum that led to ISIS. 

Try to imagine what the reaction among conservatives would have been if Obama had broken Bush's pledge, ignored the Iraqi government's demands, and kept the majority of troops in Iraq. They would have tried to impeach him. 


:confused: This is the Trump thread. Trump is for all of these things:

  • Going into Iraq
  • Not going into Iraq
  • Withdrawing from Iraq
  • Critizing Obama/Hillary for leaving Iraq because that led to Isis
  • Taking Iraq's oil
  • Not going into Syria
  • Creating safe havens in Syria (which requires going into Syria or asking Syria's neighbors to go to war with Syria)
  • "Taking the oil" (whateverTFthatmeans)
  • Using terrorists' own (illegal) methods against them, which would require going into Syria and Iraq.
I mean you're sort of talking about Obama/Hillary and even Bush Sr./Bush Jr. Levante policy in a vacuum given all this, like everything else with Trump at least it is a policy vs wigged out craziness.

 
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"If you are an average person with an education and a genie offered you the chance to live in any country, at any time in the history of the world, you would be a moron not to pick the USA in 2016."
I don't think that's necessarily true. There are a lot of Western European countries I would argue are just as good on a number of different factors.

 
I don't think that's necessarily true. There are a lot of Western European countries I would argue are just as good on a number of different factors.
As a white person, sure, but I don't think there's a better place for non-white people than the U.S. (although Trump is trying to change that).

 
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I don't think that's necessarily true. There are a lot of Western European countries I would argue are just as good on a number of different factors.
If you were going to born randomly into the country, I don't think there is much doubt the Nordic states would be a better choice. If you knew you would be upper middle class or better, you'd probably take the U.S..

 
If you were going to born randomly into the country, I don't think there is much doubt the Nordic states would be a better choice. If you knew you would be upper middle class or better, you'd probably take the U.S..
I would not want to be born a brown person in Sweden.

 
The situation in Syria is so messed up and so complicated that even in hindsight it's difficult to figure out what we should have done. A few months back I thought it was a legitimate criticism of Hillary and Obama to so why we chose to oppose Assad at the same time as opposing ISIS. I don't ask that question anymore because Assad has turned out to be so savage and evil that we must oppose him if we are to be the nation we've always been. 

Those that think Hillary has screwed up the Middle East during her years as SOS- please explain what you would have done differently and how it would have helped. 
1) Destroyed Afghanistan for 9/11 until Taliban is squashed  

2) Never have messed with Iraq

3) Cut all foreign aid to Pakistan if they are harboring Taliban.  Threaten to increase support to India.

4) Stay out of all these other quagmires. Invest in our infrastructure legitimately. The ARRA was so rife with fraud. 

5) Crack down on student visas and tighter controls on middle eastern immigration. 

 
Donald Trump Is Setting a Time Bomb



 



His calls for racial voter intimidation on Election Day could explode in all our faces.


http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/10/donald_trump_is_setting_a_time_bomb_for_racial_violence_on_election_day.html
This is why a vote for anybody other than Hillary is dangerous. Trump is a threat to america and must be totally repudiated. This is not the time for some bull#### protest vote or to turn your nose up because you have your own bull#### standard. Trump is probably the worst candidate we have ever had -- certainly in the modern era. And he is inciting the worst in people. 

 
She absolutely did not know it was a given that Bush would invade Iraq and the invasion did not happen until 5 months later after Bush concocted a bunch of lies to justify an invasion.
Well then she's an idiot since you, me, and everybody else on this board knew that perfectly well at the time this legislation was being debated.

 
3) Cut all foreign aid to Pakistan if they are harboring Taliban.  Threaten to increase support to India.
Putting aside the rest of it (a lot of which I don't agree with), this is a good example of a Trump-like simplistic solution to a very complicated problem that would make things far worse. If we were to cut off foreign aid to Pakistan it would weaken their government, and it's replacement would likely resemble the Taliban, which is really bad news considering that Pakistan has nuclear weapons. 

 
Putting aside the rest of it (a lot of which I don't agree with), this is a good example of a Trump-like simplistic solution to a very complicated problem that would make things far worse. If we were to cut off foreign aid to Pakistan it would weaken their government, and it's replacement would likely resemble the Taliban, which is really bad news considering that Pakistan has nuclear weapons. 
What's more likely is they would turn to Russia or China. 

 
What's more likely is they would turn to Russia or China. 
Well that would obviously be bad too, but my biggest fear is that radicals would take over. 

As much as people don't like the governments of so-called "moderate" Muslim states like Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey, they remain far preferable to the alternative. 

 
Donald Trump Makes History With Zero Major Newspaper Endorsements


The Chicago Sun-Times reversed a 2012 decision to stop making presidential endorsements, explaining to its readers that “the best way to avert a train wreck is to wave a warning flag as soon as possible.”

:lmao:
Bunch of libtard rags...

Seriously, the sheer number of traditionally conservative voices raised against Trump will have an effect -- not with the hard core Trumpkins, of course -- they're so far gone that it doesn't matter what anyone says, but Republicans who actually bother to think for themselves and listen a little are certainly hearing this.

 
Well that would obviously be bad too, but my biggest fear is that radicals would take over. 

As much as people don't like the governments of so-called "moderate" Muslim states like Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey, they remain far preferable to the alternative. 
Well yeah, which is the point about the discussions about regime change. It's contradictory to argue against regime change policy making and also against foreign aid when it's acknowledged that aid helps prevent destabilization.

 
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http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-says-new-hampshire-town-hall-not-preparation-debate

His practice/not practice town hall was predictably awful. The chance of a Trump train wreck at Sunday's town hall are 99.8%.

Favorite line: “I said forget debate prep. I mean, give me a break,” Trump said. “Do you really think that Hillary Clinton is debate-prepping for three or four days. Hillary Clinton is resting, okay?”

Uh, YEAH Donald she's most definitely preparing for three of four days. This guy is completely untethered from reality. Can not wait for some campaign staff books to come out after the election. What we're seeing pales in comparison to what we're not seeing. 

 
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-says-new-hampshire-town-hall-not-preparation-debate

His practice/not practice town hall was predictably awful. The chance of a Trump train wreck at Sunday's town hall are 99.8%.

Favorite line: “I said forget debate prep. I mean, give me a break,” Trump said. “Do you really think that Hillary Clinton is debate-prepping for three or four days. Hillary Clinton is resting, okay?”

Uh, YEAH Donald she's most definitely preparing for three of four days. This guy is completely untethered from reality. Can not wait for some campaign staff books to come out after the election. What we're seeing pales in comparison to what we're not seeing. 
I posted a quote from Kellyanne Conway (I think) after the first debate.  When asked why Trump did/said a certain thing, "I'm sure one of the preppers told him not to do that but it probably went in one ear and out the other".

 
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-says-new-hampshire-town-hall-not-preparation-debate

His practice/not practice town hall was predictably awful. The chance of a Trump train wreck at Sunday's town hall are 99.8%.

Favorite line: “I said forget debate prep. I mean, give me a break,” Trump said. “Do you really think that Hillary Clinton is debate-prepping for three or four days. Hillary Clinton is resting, okay?”

Uh, YEAH Donald she's most definitely preparing for three of four days. This guy is completely untethered from reality. Can not wait for some campaign staff books to come out after the election. What we're seeing pales in comparison to what we're not seeing. 
I really don't think there are people around to chronicle the books, this won't be like the Romney campaign where they had dozens of people around that had full access to do that.  From what I understand his entourage is really only like 3 or 4 people and media has nearly no access between stops.  It would be great, but there's nobody that really is there to do it.  

 
Bunch of libtard rags...

Seriously, the sheer number of traditionally conservative voices raised against Trump will have an effect -- not with the hard core Trumpkins, of course -- they're so far gone that it doesn't matter what anyone says, but Republicans who actually bother to think for themselves and listen a little are certainly hearing this.
Republicans who think for themselves can see the long term potential here.  Even an awful candidate like Cruz or Pence would seem nice and normal compared to Trump, and Hillary shouldn't be too tough to beat after 4 years more years of obstruction and 12 straight years of a Democrat in the white house.  It's not as if the appetite for change will be sated 4 years from now. 

But if you put Trump in there and he's a disaster (which seems extremely likely), you're last 2 Republican Presidents are Bush and Trump.  You may not see another Republican president for 20 years or more after that. 

Punt this one, win in the 2018 midterms, and then in 2020 the White House.  

 
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-says-new-hampshire-town-hall-not-preparation-debate

His practice/not practice town hall was predictably awful. The chance of a Trump train wreck at Sunday's town hall are 99.8%.

Favorite line: “I said forget debate prep. I mean, give me a break,” Trump said. “Do you really think that Hillary Clinton is debate-prepping for three or four days. Hillary Clinton is resting, okay?”

Uh, YEAH Donald she's most definitely preparing for three of four days. This guy is completely untethered from reality. Can not wait for some campaign staff books to come out after the election. What we're seeing pales in comparison to what we're not seeing. 
His whole thing about her resting all the time is really weird. Can't put my finger on what it is exactly other than just pure stupidity. 

 
His whole thing about her resting all the time is really weird. Can't put my finger on what it is exactly other than just pure stupidity.
People who are on cocaine binges think it's weird that other people sleep.

 
I really don't think there are people around to chronicle the books, this won't be like the Romney campaign where they had dozens of people around that had full access to do that.  From what I understand his entourage is really only like 3 or 4 people and media has nearly no access between stops.  It would be great, but there's nobody that really is there to do it.  
Trump also has a history of making people sign NDAs and he will undoubtedly sue anyone and everyone who says anything negative about him to the press/public after this is over. 

 
Well then she's an idiot since you, me, and everybody else on this board knew that perfectly well at the time this legislation was being debated.
In that post 9/11 climate everyone knew it meant war. And she didn't think Bush AND Cheney wouldn't do it - she should have considered the actors as well. She was wrong.

 
I'm not sure which is more absurd -- the left trying to justify Hillary's vote, or the right trying to use it against her. JFC politics can be so stupid...

 
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-says-new-hampshire-town-hall-not-preparation-debate

His practice/not practice town hall was predictably awful. The chance of a Trump train wreck at Sunday's town hall are 99.8%.

Favorite line: “I said forget debate prep. I mean, give me a break,” Trump said. “Do you really think that Hillary Clinton is debate-prepping for three or four days. Hillary Clinton is resting, okay?”

Uh, YEAH Donald she's most definitely preparing for three of four days. This guy is completely untethered from reality. Can not wait for some campaign staff books to come out after the election. What we're seeing pales in comparison to what we're not seeing. 
One the one hand, you have to think he is practicing some...on the other his entire history says he isn't.  I'm surprised the Republican establishment isn't publically putting more pressure on him since another crappy performance is probably going to submarine 1-4 Senators and a bunch of Reps up for re-election.   

 
One the one hand, you have to think he is practicing some...on the other his entire history says he isn't.  I'm surprised the Republican establishment isn't publically putting more pressure on him since another crappy performance is probably going to submarine 1-4 Senators and a bunch of Reps up for re-election.   
I'd almost guarantee that he's not practicing. Also, he's completely uncontrollable. I'm sure that they've been pushing hard behind the scenes on a ton of different issues -- "Just shut the eff up!!!!" being the most prominent LOL -- but hitting him in public would almost certainly result in him hitting back on Twitter, etc, and that's a really bad look right before the election. I have read in a few places that they're going to publicly start distancing themselves if (when) he makes a fool of himself yet again during Monday's debate, which I doubt, but would be very interesting if it actually happens. Imagine him spending the month directly prior to the election trashing his own party...

 
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