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Wow! What a comeback for Donald! That should be enough momentum for him to win this thing!
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Skoo
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They key to trolling is to make people think you actually believe the things you're saying.
LittlePhatty
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We can add the Dunning-Kruger effect to Trump's binder full of psychological ailments.
His core supporters think he is on their side because he criticizes Obama, but last night Hillary reminded millions of viewers that Trump criticized Reagan much in the same fashion in the 80s. It's the "I know more than the Generals do" type of attitude, which some think is just for show, but the truth is he really does believe he's better at everything than anyone else could possibly ever be.
His core supporters think he is on their side because he criticizes Obama, but last night Hillary reminded millions of viewers that Trump criticized Reagan much in the same fashion in the 80s. It's the "I know more than the Generals do" type of attitude, which some think is just for show, but the truth is he really does believe he's better at everything than anyone else could possibly ever be.
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timschochet
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This morning everybody seems to be talking about 3 comments by Trump:
1. I'll keep you in suspense.
2. Such a nasty woman.
3. We need to get rid of the bad hombres.
The media is making the most of #1, but I have a feeling "nasty woman" is going to hurt him the most. Suburban women and all that...
1. I'll keep you in suspense.
2. Such a nasty woman.
3. We need to get rid of the bad hombres.
The media is making the most of #1, but I have a feeling "nasty woman" is going to hurt him the most. Suburban women and all that...
matuski
Footballguy
Worst schtick this board has seen. It has only sucked worse with every subsequent alias.
GregR
Footballguy
I for one think this was a great answer. It encourages everyone to enthusiastically look forward to Trump's defeat so the suspense on how he handles it can finally be lifted!
Andy Dufresne
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timschochet
Footballguy
Fox Scream
Footballguy
Fox Scream
Footballguy
You guys act like he has no supporters. He wouldn't be here if he didn't...
bostonfred
Footballguy
You guys are oblivious if you think hillary didn't take a hit last night. A lot of people who dont really follow politics and only watch the debates or the highlights of the debates are learning more and more about these emails and the supposed paid instigators. That will hurt her. And this perception that trump doesn't have a chance could keep a lot of people home. Don't fumble this one out of the back of the end zone guys
timschochet
Footballguy
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
From what I saw, Trump did pretty well. He actually seemed prepared.
But Hillary didn't stand for his BS in the slightest. She may as well have stood there with the Glengarry Glen Ross brass ball set. There's no doubt that the woman is nails.
But Hillary didn't stand for his BS in the slightest. She may as well have stood there with the Glengarry Glen Ross brass ball set. There's no doubt that the woman is nails.
timschochet
Footballguy
Autumn Wind
Footballguy
By any objective measure, Hillary dunked on Trump. He actually held it together for the first 30 minutes, which seems to be the point where he starts to unravel. I will say he had at least 2 or 3 moments where he could've scored big points, but his total lack of discipline and self-control gave them away. Clinton, while not perfect by any means, was much stronger than at the town hall and turned in her strongest debate of the three. It was like a greatest hits of Trump attacks from the last 6 months.
The biggest surprise for me, however, was Chris Wallace. While his questioning on social security was disingenuous and ridiculous, in general he did a commendable job keeping control and asked pretty fair and tough questions of both candidates. Go figure.
The biggest surprise for me, however, was Chris Wallace. While his questioning on social security was disingenuous and ridiculous, in general he did a commendable job keeping control and asked pretty fair and tough questions of both candidates. Go figure.
SaintsInDome2006
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TobiasFunke
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At this point our concern should not be what hurts him the most in the polls. It should be the strong possibility that he will actually do what he says and refuse to concede and it will trigger violence and riots.
Here's what Trump said on election night in 2012 about Mitt Romney's defeat in a series of tweets. Keep in mind as you read this that these are about the defeat of someone he doesn't particularly like, and consider how much more severe the reaction will presumably be if HE is the loser:
Again ... that's about MITT ROMNEY, who actually lost the popular vote by 4%/5 million votes in 2012. Imagine if he merely said this stuff on November 8, 2016 about his own defeat. Now imagine how much worse it could get when he's the one taking the L instead of some politician he barely knows.
Mr. Pickles
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His problem is, he never understood that he had to build on the base he had during the primaries. Rather than acting more Presidential and trying to mute his childish temperament, he was content to just get his existing base more fired up. Maybe he thinks if they REALLY, REALLY hate Hillary, they can vote twice. He did nothing to gain any votes from undecided and/or independents. Even his 'rigged' agenda is aimed at his base. He's content to see the same non-college educated white guys at his rallies. Worst run campaign in our country's history.
This is going to be a historical landslide.
Autumn Wind
Footballguy
Maybe I'm naive here, but I just don't see all that many Trumpkins actually doing anything even if he refuses to concede. I think cowardice is a defining trait of most hardcore Trump supporters.
Fox Scream
Footballguy
You're a good man, Pickles. Do you also subscribe to the Flat Earth Society newsletter? It's a good read.
This is why Hillary always has that confident grin going. She understands how hard his team tries to coach him before these debates. She knows that he's going to start off being respectful and 'Presidential'. But she also knows his maturity and temperament. She controls him like a marionette. She understands that she's in control and can get under his skin anytime she wants to and send him back to unraveled Donald. IO bet she would agree to debate every night of the week until the election. She absolutely owns him on the stage.
SaintsInDome2006
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Eh I'm starting to think Trump's crappy performances in the debates and the inevitability of his loss are going to depress enthusiasm. I don't think we'll see any pitchforks or bus turnings.
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timschochet
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Is it that he didn't understand it, or that he simply had no way to do it, nowhere to go?
Like the Republicans in 1964 and the Democrats in 1972, the Republicans this year chose a candidate far outside of the mainstream. When that happens, it's almost impossible to reclaim the center.
SaintsInDome2006
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It's already forgotten but what I find funny about that question about controlling entitlements - which generated the 'horrible woman' mutter - was that Hillary's response was Paul Ryanesque and Trump's response was that growth would pay for entitlements which is the classic liberal Democratic response.
eta - what's been lost in this is that we have often in this seen a Republican presidential candidate running to the left of the Democrat.
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Autumn Wind
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I appreciated Donald's firm grasp on what a late-term abortion is. Pretty sure ripping the baby out the day before it's due to be born is called a C-section.
TobiasFunke
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I don't think they'll actually march on Washington because they're scared of minorities, plus they'll probably run out of S'mores-flavored Schnapps before they get here. But I could see stuff going on at or near state government buildings that certify results they don't like.
In any event, the fact that we're even having this conversation is the story of this election/
IvanKaramazov
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Anybody who would care about the use of an inelegant adjective to describe Hillary Clinton was never voting for Trump anyway. Do you really think there's a suburban housewife out there who is thinking to herself "Donald was quoted out of context on the whole 'grab them by the #####' thing, and to be fair his daughter really was a nice piece of ###, but his use of the word 'nasty' is a bridge too far!" Come on.
On the other hand, the part about not accepting the results of an election is -- I think -- completely unprecedented and ought to be (yet another) disqualifier for Trump.
moleculo
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my biggest fear isn't 2016, it's 2020.
Trump now has a bully pulpit. No one paid any serious attention to him in 2012. Now, he has what...40% of the UP population ready to eat whatever BS he spoon feeds them?
What happens if the Republicans find a decent candidate in 4 years and actually give Hillary a run? What happens when the election is close and Trump uses the media comglomerate he will build to proclaim "rigged election"? That's when the pitch forks come out.
Autumn Wind
Footballguy
I don't think the "nasty woman" comment is out of the ordinary for him, but I did find it amusing in that it came not more than 10 minutes after he once again claimed no one respects women more than he does.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
You must have been really up in arms and traumatized when Al Gore actually contested an election.
Autumn Wind
Footballguy
I think we will find that the level of ardent support he draws will diminish bigly after he loses. However, that is largely contingent on whether or not the Republicans can get their act together in any meaningful way.
Autumn Wind
Footballguy
If you can't see the difference between Gore contesting what was a fairly flawed recount process in one state and Trump claiming ahead of time that an entire election is rigged with zero proof of said claims, you are beyond help.
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Leeroy Jenkins
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He did well until she brought out Putin. Then he fell apart. When he gathered himself for a few minutes, he was able to spout off a few things that he prepared.
Then he totally lost it with the refusal to concede comment, blaming Hillary for women complaining about him, him saying "wrong" over and over again, his body language etc. We witnessed a total meltdown's progression. This was his worst overall performance because of these things, the missed opportunities, and the high stakes. As long as Dems do not stay home out of complacency, this is over.
SaintsInDome2006
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I think everyone knows that Donald never thought about or cared about abortion before this race. I couldn't help but notice that Donald never brought up the classic rights vs 'conception vs life debate' which left or right is the philosophical core of every debate on this issue. This was the typical for him where he simply insulted her and showed no inner understanding of the issue or ideology underlying his position.
TobiasFunke
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You're applying rational thinking to irrational people. These are people who think Donald Trump should be president. And even beyond that bit of lunacy, remember that they're being told over and over again that the polls are a lie and that the mainstream media is conspiring against them. They don't think Trump had a crappy performance in the debates. They don't think his loss is inevitable, in fact many of them think the opposite.
How many times in the last sixteen months have we assumed that Americans would come to their senses about Trump after he's said or done something beyond the pale? We were wrong every time. What makes us think this time will be different?
moleculo
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I don't think so. I think his fanbase is so rabidly anti-Hillary (and has been for decades) that they will be frothing at the mouth for anyone who calls her nasty and points out any and all missteps. You think Obama had it tough? You ain't seen nothing yet. Trump is an attention whore by nature, he loves the spotlight, he will be out there as the poster-child of anti-Hillary for the next 4 years.
timschochet
Footballguy
Autumn Wind
Footballguy
Oh there is assuredly a large contingent of Clinton haters, but I don't think it is as large as the numbers he's getting in polls or primary results. I understand that there are nutjobs out there who will obsess on her just as they did Bill Clinton. It's why crap like InfoWars or Drudge exist. I just have a hard time seeing them as anything more than a noisy nuisance, rather than a true impediment to her being able to govern.
timschochet
Footballguy
Scary note though- last night Laura Ingraham, one of Trump's fiercest supporters, tweeted that everyone must accept the results of the election, there is no other option. One of her fans tweeted back, "There is the Second Amendment option."
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Lol. Trump hasn't done anything yet but drama queen Tobias is all ready to alert the national guard that riots are coming. And gore did claim Florida was rigged.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Yeah I know what you mean but I think these are also politically either inactive or unmotivated people. These are people who scream at AM radio or are typically checked out of the electoral system. I think Trump if he believes he can rouse the rabble has a bad understanding of American rabble. We're not Eastern Europe or the Mideast wrapped up in ethnic or historical grudges.
Mostly though I think Trump is FOS and his bluff will be called. This is the point in the pool game where we tell this poseur to unfurl his wad of bills, I'm guessing it's a bunch of 1's not 100's.
I do think there will be damage but it will be in some percentage of Americans claiming an election was 'stolen' which is never ok. Gradually this stuff is indeed corrosive.
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SaintsInDome2006
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Hats off to Hillary from me for what I thought was a moving and patriotic response to the 'rigged' claim.
matuski
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Seth Meyers
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It's a brain that thinks "say she's such a nasty woman" and also thinks, "lean into the mic for it."
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It's a brain that thinks "say she's such a nasty woman" and also thinks, "lean into the mic for it."
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TobiasFunke
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I think you're probably right, or at least more likely to be right than wrong. But like I said, the fact that we're even having this conversation is the story of the election.
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