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Willie Neslon said:
I think he will concede and give a fairly straight forward concession speech.  Then 2 days later he'll tweet that it was rigged and keep tweeting about it until people get bored and stop paying attention. It'd be great if the second the election is decided that the media completely stop covering anything he says. Doubt they will but it'd be great if they did.
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That's his biggest fear so he'll use Twitter to make sure he stays in the spotlight. This whole thing has been about his ego. Especially when he started winning the primaries. Getting beat in all of these debates has been bad for his inflated ego, that's why he's already prepared his 'rigged' excuse for when he loses. But he will not give up that spotlight easily. There will be a provactive/outrageous Tweet per week so that he stays in it.  

 
tonydead said:
:cry:   You're right you know nothing about the steel industry.  Or much else about anything you usually spout off about.  I could go on about how I was in fact considering the Hilmonster, but I don't give a second thought to what you think nor do I respond to your idiotic posts very often so go blow it out your ###.
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Seems like you got all up in your feelings here.  Weird for a self-proclaimed expert to not be able to handle criticism of those 'expert' opinions.

 
Willie Neslon said:
I think he will concede and give a fairly straight forward concession speech.  Then 2 days later he'll tweet that it was rigged and keep tweeting about it until people get bored and stop paying attention. It'd be great if the second the election is decided that the media completely stop covering anything he says. Doubt they will but it'd be great if they did.
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I'm totally projecting here, but I think there's a good chance he loses at least 25% of his twitter followers after the election. I'm quite sure I will drop him on November 9.

 
rodg12 said:
Seems like you got all up in your feelings here.  Weird for a self-proclaimed expert to not be able to handle criticism of those 'expert' opinions.
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No.  I really don't care at all for what Bruce thinks.  Has nothing to do with the topic at hand.  I can see Tobia's point, just don't agree with it.  You can say the exact same thing about virtually every construction project in existence.  That makes it a giant red herring to me.  

 
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tonydead said:
No.  I really don't care for at all for what Bruce thinks.  Has nothing to do with the topic at hand.  I can see Tobia's point, just don't agree with it.  You can say the exact same thing about virtually every construction project in existence.  That makes it a giant red herring to me.  
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You were rattled enough by his response to tell him to 'blow it out his ###.'  Not exactly what I would call 'not caring about what Bruce thinks.'

You also didn't address either of the issues he brought up about your 'expert' opinion.

You also fail to understand the difference between a lie and a red herring.  But keep on keeping on, I guess.  Mr. 'Expert.'  :shrug:  

 
tonydead said:
:cry:   You're right you know nothing about the steel industry.  Or much else about anything you usually spout off about.  I could go on about how I was in fact considering the Hilmonster, but I don't give a second thought to what you think nor do I respond to your idiotic posts very often so go blow it out your ###.
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Well, that's certainly disappointing.  I admit I try to get under the skin of folks who try to invoke their own set of rules and/or their own set of facts, but I thought you were tough enough to take half of what you dish out.  I guess I was wrong.

I am genuinely curious what you think Clinton lied about re: steel and international trade last night.  No one here thinks you've made that part clear, but if you're right, I think it's important for us to understand.  I think there are several things Clinton said during the debates that would fail a reasonable fact-check, but I'm not sure where she failed in that portion last night.

 
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rodg12 said:
You were rattled enough by his response to tell him to 'blow it out his ###.'  Not exactly what I would call 'not caring about what Bruce thinks.'

You also didn't address either of the issues he brought up about your 'expert' opinion.

You also fail to understand the difference between a lie and a red herring.  But keep on keeping on, I guess.  Mr. 'Expert.'  :shrug:  
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You don't know Bruce's history of obsession for me.

If you want to play the semantics game good for you.  I'm glad Trump isn't going to win.  Not very ecstatic that Hillary is our next president.  

 
Righetti said:
whose job was easier, Tina Fey or Alec Baldwin's?
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Fey's was easier.  Palin was new on the scene and Fey was first to market.  Baldwin had several other Trump impressionists to be compared to, including HOFer Darrell Hammond.  And he's hitting a string of upper-deck homers.  

Possible I'm not giving Fey enough credit for making it look so easy.

 
moleculo said:
my biggest fear isn't 2016, it's 2020.

Trump now has a bully pulpit.  No one paid any serious attention to him in 2012.  Now, he has what...40% of the UP population ready to eat whatever BS he spoon feeds them?  

What happens if the Republicans find a decent candidate in 4 years and actually give Hillary a run?  What happens when the election is close and Trump uses the media comglomerate he will build to proclaim "rigged election"?  That's when the pitch forks come out.
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As a Yooper I can attest that it's higher than 40% of the UP population.  It's a total redneck #### show up here.  

 
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Trump's surrogates responding to the non-concession line with Al Gore is dissembling and pure, unadulterated excuse mongering. Everybody knows if Gore was asked the same question 20 days before the election he would automatically, unequivocally say of course he would accept the results.

In the immediate aftermath, Florida was unable to certify the results (margin 500+ votes, hanging chads, etc.) so it was contested. If the exact same thing happens, and Florida decides the election, there is a 500 vote margin, of course it would be appropriate for Trump to question the result AT THAT TIME. But not before it has even happened. And not if he is routed.    

 
Bob Magaw said:
Trump's surrogates responding to the non-concession line with Al Gore is dissembling and pure, unadulterated excuse mongering. Everybody knows if Gore was asked the same question 20 days before the election he would automatically, unequivocally say of course he would accept the results.

In the immediate aftermath, Florida was unable to certify the results (margin 500+ votes, hanging chads, etc.) so it was contested. If the exact same thing happens, and Florida decides the election, there is a 500 vote margin, of course it would be appropriate for Trump to question the result AT THAT TIME. But not before it has even happened. And not if when he is routed.    
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FYP

 
  12 minutes ago, tonydead said:
You don't know Bruce's history of obsession for me.

If you want to play the semantics game good for you.  I'm glad Trump isn't going to win.  Not very ecstatic that Hillary is our next president.  
cstu said:
No one is, Tony. 
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Actually not true.  My wife, a bleeding heart (total no critical thinking lefty willing to give away the store, with no understanding that she's becoming the store at that - and it's not as if she is willing to not buy a new handbag because of it, just has no concept of what larger gov't and taxation really can do) is a hard core fan.  It took her a while after being strung by Bernie's loss, but she's there. 

I know people who are getting on busses from NY to go to swing states that don't have the volunteers, resources nor experience to ramp up for turn out the vote efforts and rallies.  They are taking time off from work, over weekends, and going across the freakin' country.  

There is a lot more enthusiasm than is given credit.  I believe this is why Hillary may have a chance as President. Yes, the bull#### party-driven smear campaign will continue, but it's not like she has much room to trend downward.  Unlike past presidents, we also already know everything about her and she's somehow survived that. She's also very well versed in DC and shouldn't be inept and naive entering office as was the case with Obama, who blew his opportunity with both a strong mandate, significant popularity and a Dem Congress which he totally pissed away by midterm elections. 

 
Koya said:
You don't know Bruce's history of obsession for me.

If you want to play the semantics game good for you.  I'm glad Trump isn't going to win.  Not very ecstatic that Hillary is our next president.  
Actually not true.  My wife, a bleeding heart (total no critical thinking lefty willing to give away the store, with no understanding that she's becoming the store at that - and it's not as if she is willing to not buy a new handbag because of it, just has no concept of what larger gov't and taxation really can do) is a hard core fan.  It took her a while after being strung by Bernie's loss, but she's there. 

I know people who are getting on busses from NY to go to swing states that don't have the volunteers, resources nor experience to ramp up for turn out the vote efforts and rallies.  They are taking time off from work, over weekends, and going across the freakin' country.  

There is a lot more enthusiasm than is given credit.  I believe this is why Hillary may have a chance as President. Yes, the bull#### party-driven smear campaign will continue, but it's not like she has much room to trend downward.  Unlike past presidents, we also already know everything about her and she's somehow survived that. She's also very well versed in DC and shouldn't be inept and naive entering office as was the case with Obama, who blew his opportunity with both a strong mandate, significant popularity and a Dem Congress which he totally pissed away by midterm elections. 
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Much of the enthusiasm is due to how unfit her opponent is be President.   I'm very ecstatic that a Democrat will beat Trump, that's it's Hillary, not so much.  She's not as bad as most people claim but she is shady and conniving.

My optimism about her Presidency is two-fold:

- As the first woman President there's tremendous pressure on her to do well.  While it's not fair, if she fails as President it will be will an indictment on woman Presidents.

- She wants to be a considered a better President than the ####### that has cheated on her their entire marriage and embarrassed her in front of the entire country.

 
Koya said:
You don't know Bruce's history of obsession for me.

If you want to play the semantics game good for you.  I'm glad Trump isn't going to win.  Not very ecstatic that Hillary is our next president.  
Actually not true.  My wife, a bleeding heart (total no critical thinking lefty willing to give away the store, with no understanding that she's becoming the store at that - and it's not as if she is willing to not buy a new handbag because of it, just has no concept of what larger gov't and taxation really can do) is a hard core fan.  It took her a while after being strung by Bernie's loss, but she's there. 

I know people who are getting on busses from NY to go to swing states that don't have the volunteers, resources nor experience to ramp up for turn out the vote efforts and rallies.  They are taking time off from work, over weekends, and going across the freakin' country.  

There is a lot more enthusiasm than is given credit.  I believe this is why Hillary may have a chance as President. Yes, the bull#### party-driven smear campaign will continue, but it's not like she has much room to trend downward.  Unlike past presidents, we also already know everything about her and she's somehow survived that. She's also very well versed in DC and shouldn't be inept and naive entering office as was the case with Obama, who blew his opportunity with both a strong mandate, significant popularity and a Dem Congress which he totally pissed away by midterm elections. 
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Yup. As I've said many, many times before: other than maybe our average education level, this place represents the worst possible demographics for Clinton. There's plenty of enthusiasm out there for her, just not here. Personally I wouldn't say that I'd be ecstatic about Clinton as our next president, but I'm not ecstatic about any president. The job is chief administrator, not savior.

One thing that is cool for me personally if she wins, though, and there's probably lots of other guys here in a similar boat: I have a one year old daughter and a four year old daughter.  Neither is really old enough to understand the idea of a president or a government yet, although the four year old is close. If all goes well over the next three weeks, the first president they know will be a woman. My girls will be in the first generation of women in this country's history unburdened by any notion of a glass ceiling.  That's kinda cool.

 
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Bob Magaw said:
Trump's surrogates responding to the non-concession line with Al Gore is dissembling and pure, unadulterated excuse mongering. Everybody knows if Gore was asked the same question 20 days before the election he would automatically, unequivocally say of course he would accept the results.

In the immediate aftermath, Florida was unable to certify the results (margin 500+ votes, hanging chads, etc.) so it was contested. If the exact same thing happens, and Florida decides the election, there is a 500 vote margin, of course it would be appropriate for Trump to question the result AT THAT TIME. But not before it has even happened. And not if he is routed.    
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It was amusing watching the CNN panel collectively roll their eyes at Corey Lewandowski when he rolled up at least an hour after the debate and brought up Al Gore as if he was the first person to think of the comparison.  He had talking heads saying stuff like "I'm genuinely trying to help you.  You're not helping your side bringing that up."

 
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Bruce Dickinson said:
Fey's was easier.  Palin was new on the scene and Fey was first to market.  Baldwin had several other Trump impressionists to be compared to, including HOFer Darrell Hammond.  And he's hitting a string of upper-deck homers.  

Possible I'm not giving Fey enough credit for making it look so easy.
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Would be Yuuuge fun if Baldwin won an Emmy for this. And would lead to an epic Trump rant.

 
Even federally funded projects allow for 1/10th of 1% of the total project cost be towards the purchase of foreign steel.  Larger exceptions are made for military projects under the Buy AmeriaN clause.  All large construction projects buy some amount of foreign steel and that doesn't equate them to supporting illegal importing of foreign steel, that's absurd, the vast amount of foreign steel in this country is imported legally.

 
Bob Magaw said:
Trump's surrogates responding to the non-concession line with Al Gore is dissembling and pure, unadulterated excuse mongering. Everybody knows if Gore was asked the same question 20 days before the election he would automatically, unequivocally say of course he would accept the results.

In the immediate aftermath, Florida was unable to certify the results (margin 500+ votes, hanging chads, etc.) so it was contested. If the exact same thing happens, and Florida decides the election, there is a 500 vote margin, of course it would be appropriate for Trump to question the result AT THAT TIME. But not before it has even happened. And not if he is routed.    
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That's basically what he said last night. He's reserving the right to make the concession decision on election night instead of making it right now. It's pretty much the same answer I'd give, except that I wouldn't preemptively suggest that anything is rigged and therefore wouldn't be asked the question in the first place.

 
TobiasFunke said:
Yup. As I've said many, many times before: other than maybe our average education level, this place represents the worst possible demographics for Clinton. There's plenty of enthusiasm out there for her, just not here. Personally I wouldn't say that I'd be ecstatic about Clinton as our next president, but I'm not ecstatic about any president. The job is chief administrator, not savior.

One thing that is cool for me personally if she wins, though, and there's probably lots of other guys here in a similar boat: I have a one year old daughter and a four year old daughter.  Neither is really old enough to understand the idea of a president or a government yet, although the four year old is close. If all goes well over the next three weeks, the first president they know will be a woman. My girls will be in the first generation of women in this country's history unburdened by any notion of a glass ceiling.  That's kinda cool.
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There won't ever be much of an acknowledgment about this perspective from the good denizens of FootballGuys but this really is kind of a big deal. 538 had a story this week about how this election was setting records for the gap in how married couples are voting.

 
Maurile Tremblay said:
That's basically what he said last night. He's reserving the right to make the concession decision on election night instead of making it right now. It's pretty much the same answer I'd give, except that I wouldn't preemptively suggest that anything is rigged and therefore wouldn't be asked the question in the first place.
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All Trump had to say was:

"If I do actually lose on election day...and I'm confident I won't...but if I do I would respectfully concede to my opponent.  That's how it works in our great democracy."

 
cstu said:
Much of the enthusiasm is due to how unfit her opponent is be President.   I'm very ecstatic that a Democrat will beat Trump, that's it's Hillary, not so much.  She's not as bad as most people claim but she is shady and conniving.
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And nasty.

 
TobiasFunke said:
Yup. As I've said many, many times before: other than maybe our average education level, this place represents the worst possible demographics for Clinton. There's plenty of enthusiasm out there for her, just not here. Personally I wouldn't say that I'd be ecstatic about Clinton as our next president, but I'm not ecstatic about any president. The job is chief administrator, not savior.

One thing that is cool for me personally if she wins, though, and there's probably lots of other guys here in a similar boat: I have a one year old daughter and a four year old daughter.  Neither is really old enough to understand the idea of a president or a government yet, although the four year old is close. If all goes well over the next three weeks, the first president they know will be a woman. My girls will be the first women in this country's history unburdened by any notion of a glass ceiling.  That's kinda cool.
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My mother is in her 70s and is a lifelong Democrat.. She and her brother were the first generation of her family to go to college, and saw a lot of the civil rights battles of the 1960s up close.  Her mother was a child when women got the right to vote.

She called me this morning, basically in tears, talking about how amazing it is to have lived through all of that and to be around long enough to see a black President.  And now it really does look like we're going to have a female President.  And if Hillary Clinton wins, she's going to go to the Inauguration and cry her eyes out when Clinton is sworn in.

I don't think she agrees with every policy position Hillary Clinton has proposed or agreed with every decision she has made, but she admires her for all the fair and unfair criticism she's endured and still keeps fighting.  

And she's ecstatic that her granddaughter is growing up in an era where all of this is happening and real and will soon be considered normal.

 
MikeIke said:
Even federally funded projects allow for 1/10th of 1% of the total project cost be towards the purchase of foreign steel.  Larger exceptions are made for military projects under the Buy AmeriaN clause.  All large construction projects buy some amount of foreign steel and that doesn't equate them to supporting illegal importing of foreign steel, that's absurd, the vast amount of foreign steel in this country is imported legally.
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Why is this the first I'm hearing of this? 

 
i'll forever be fascinated by how people catch on to a statement, turn of phrase, catchphrase, whatever... and then it becomes part of accepted lore without anyone really knowing why.

Hillary is "conniving" and "a liar"

when did that thought take hold? and why is it .... everywhere?

you'll hear people parrot if all over the place but does anyone really know why they're saying it?

 
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