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***Official*** Dr. Oz Running For Senate In Pennsylvania (1 Viewer)

We should have learned by now that B list celebrities typically make for unqualified politicians but let's try again.

 
Ruffrodys05 said:
Good, because Mr. Oz really has none.
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This is way too simplistic. He was a top-flight heart surgeon before pimping questionable diet pills on Dr. Oz. There's no debate about his history as a top-rate cardiologist. 

 
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rockaction said:
This is way too simplistic. He was a top-flight heart surgeon before pimping questionable diet pills on Dr. Oz. There's no debate about his history as a top-rate cardiologist. 
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he’s a long way from that.  closer to a witch doctor now.

 
Ugh. I hated this guy when he was Oprah's healer guru, and now I'm supposed to vote for him? Hopefully a more electable Republican enters the race.

 
rockaction said:
This is way too simplistic. He was a top-flight heart surgeon before pimping questionable diet pills on Dr. Oz. There's no debate about his history as a top-rate cardiologist. 
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It's simplistically accurate today. Whatever credibility he formally had he's flushed it down the operating room floor drain. His history as a top-rate cardiologist doesn't matter anymore. His more recent history of bilking folks out of $ for worthless diet pills does. That and his completely irrational attitude towards the current pandemic this country is enthralled in. He is 100% untrustworthy and doesn't deserve a single vote. I'm sure he'll get some though.

 
Yeah, two guys from the left won't even concede that this dude was legitimately one of the best heart surgeons in the country before his television career. 

You can dislike him all you want, don't try and take away his credentials. He earned those. 

And I do not support his run, but this sort of tearing down everything garbage has got to stop, or we'll keep winding up with more unconscionable sociopaths like Donald Trump running for office. You'll have dissuaded all the good people from running, Team Red and Team Blue will have, that is. 

Forget it, you guys have already done it. That's why we wind up with Celebrity Teflon Pawns like Dr. Oz. 

 
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rockaction said:
Yeah, two guys from the left won't even concede that this dude was legitimately one of the best heart surgeons in the country before his television career. 

You can dislike him all you want, don't try and take away his credentials. He earned those. 

And I do not support his run, but this sort of tearing down everything garbage has got to stop, or we'll keep winding up with more unconscionable sociopaths like Donald Trump running for office. You'll have dissuaded all the good people from running, Team Red and Team Blue will have, that is. 

Forget it, you guys have already done it. That's why we wind up with Celebrity Teflon Pawns like Dr. Oz. 
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Cool.  He was a great surgeon.  Awesome.  Not sure why anyone in here is questioning his track record as a surgeon, that seems odd.

But that history also doesn’t make him qualified to opine on anything except heart surgery. (And maybe other areas of medicine that are closely related)

 
rockaction said:
Yeah, two guys from the left won't even concede that this dude was legitimately one of the best heart surgeons in the country before his television career. 

You can dislike him all you want, don't try and take away his credentials. He earned those. 

And I do not support his run, but this sort of tearing down everything garbage has got to stop, or we'll keep winding up with more unconscionable sociopaths like Donald Trump running for office. You'll have dissuaded all the good people from running, Team Red and Team Blue will have, that is. 

Forget it, you guys have already done it. That's why we wind up with Celebrity Teflon Pawns like Dr. Oz. 
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First, I'm not "on the left."

Second, I didn't disparage his career as a top-rate cardiologist or take away those credentials. I've already established how he no longer has any credibility.

Third, I'd consider him unqualified to be a Senator no matter what party he ran under. His being unqualified has nothing to do with Team Red or Team Blue or any other team/color.

Fourth, he's not "good people." Good people don't rip off other good people by selling them worthless diet pills. Now, again, I've established how he no longer has any credibility. 

Fifth, I didn't tear him down, he did that all on his own.

 
Alex P Keaton said:
Cool.  He was a great surgeon.  Awesome.  Not sure why anyone in here is questioning his track record as a surgeon, that seems odd.

But that history also doesn’t make him qualified to opine on anything except heart surgery. (And maybe other areas of medicine that are closely related)
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Sure he is. He's a doctor. He went to med school, passed, and did a residency. 

Ruffrodys05 said:
First, I'm not "on the left."

Second, I didn't disparage his career as a top-rate cardiologist or take away those credentials. I've already established how he no longer has any credibility.

Third, I'd consider him unqualified to be a Senator no matter what party he ran under. His being unqualified has nothing to do with Team Red or Team Blue or any other team/color.

Fourth, he's not "good people." Good people don't rip off other good people by selling them worthless diet pills. Now, again, I've established how he no longer has any credibility. 

Fifth, I didn't tear him down, he did that all on his own.
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First, no. Not at all. Your track record speaks volumes. 

Second, yes you did. 

Third, I'd agree with you

Fourth was more of a generalized sentiment. I don't feel like getting into a debate over whether Dr. Oz is "good people." I think calling him a "Celebrity Teflon Pawn" should have been a clue I was speaking in generalities. 

Fifth, you certainly are trying to tear him down.  

 
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Ruffrodys05 said:
Second, I didn't disparage his career as a top-rate cardiologist or take away those credentials. I've already established how he no longer has any credibility.
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Ruffrodys05 said:
Good, because Mr. Oz really has none.
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You took away his credentials and disparaged his career by calling him Mr Oz. Regardless of what you think about him and I don't think much of him, he earned the right to be called Dr Oz.

 
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Dr. Oz gets a lot of flack for promoting pseudoscience, and since so many Trump-adjacent people are openly grifting, it seems like he is doing it just to grift. However, Oz always pushed pseudoscience. He tried to combine "therapeutic touch" with cardiac care dating back to the 90s, before he was really a celebrity. He is a good doctor who also believes in nonscientific garbage. That doesn't disqualify him, per se. I mean, he's also openly grifting, but doesn't everyone nowadays.

 
rockaction said:
Sure he is. He's a doctor. He went to med school, passed, and did a residency. 

First, no. Not at all. Your track record speaks volumes. 

Second, yes you did. 

Third, I'd agree with you

Fourth was more of a generalized sentiment. I don't feel like getting into a debate over whether Dr. Oz is "good people." I think calling him a "Celebrity Teflon Pawn" should have been a clue I was speaking in generalities. 

Fifth, you certainly are trying to tear him down.  
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tymarsas said:
You took away his credentials and disparaged his career by calling him Mr Oz. Regardless of what you think about him and I don't think much of him, he earned the right to be called Dr Oz.
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Yeah, you guys are right. Thanks for pointing it out.

 
Ruffrodys05 said:
Yeah, you guys are right. Thanks for pointing it out.
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I guess we all get passionate about things, including my response last night. Nice de-escalation. It shouldn't be that big of a deal. 

I don't support him for Senate. Sounds like a lot of grift and a lot of falseness and relying on pure celebrity to get him to the top. We need less of that in our society. We need decent, educated, thoughtful representatives. But they may come flawed given the past generation or two. I'll live with that over autocrats, though. 

 
We kinda need to figure out what we want.  On one hand many seem to say they don't want career politicians and I think there is very sound reasoning to support that.  On the other hand we say that doctors aren't "qualified" to be senators.

Put aside Oz...which is it because frankly its hard to say you are qualified to be a senator without having spent a crap ton of time in government.

 
djmich said:
We kinda need to figure out what we want.  On one hand many seem to say they don't want career politicians and I think there is very sound reasoning to support that.  On the other hand we say that doctors aren't "qualified" to be senators.

Put aside Oz...which is it because frankly its hard to say you are qualified to be a senator without having spent a crap ton of time in government.
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This is a really good post. I'm guilty of this. I don't want someone shaped by the ways and money of Washington, yet I want someone completely qualified to serve who isn't also an academic. Where does that leave us, really? Nowhere. I suppose we're going to have to take the good with the bad for our next two generations (Xers and Millenials) and just agree on certain basic qualifications. It'll be ad hoc, so we'll have to be vigilant. I think now is more time than ever to realize that politicians are going to be flawed and human. 

 
rockaction said:
This is a really good post. I'm guilty of this. I don't want someone shaped by the ways and money of Washington, yet I want someone completely qualified to serve who isn't also an academic. Where does that leave us, really? Nowhere. I suppose we're going to have to take the good with the bad for our next two generations (Xers and Millenials) and just agree on certain basic qualifications. It'll be ad hoc, so we'll have to be vigilant. I think now is more time than ever to realize that politicians are going to be flawed and human. 
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Yep.  I think of it less of taking the good with the bad as you gotta compromise because nobody is perfect and this idea that there never was "bad" in any historical figure.  Part of what we've become really good at is tearing down individuals and hyper focusing on soundbytes, mistakes, etc.  Everyone looks bad though that lense. 

Me personally, I'll roll the dice on someone who has no or little political background.  That's not to say I'd rule out a career politician but I'd prefer someone more rounded, fresh, with broader experience.  And importantly its not to say that I think your 20 million lunatic social media followers or highly rated TV show means you'd be a good Senator either.

A brilliant physician or successful CEO, would love to hear how they think about things.

 
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I think Jesse Ventura turned out to be a better than average governor, and his election was a similar populist upheaval to the status quo. I worry about disqualifying "celebrity politician" as a kneejerk to Trump. Drain the swamp can work if done by someone else. But Oz doesn't seem that way. He is moving to another state with no real message or purpose. He wants to be senator, not wants to help the state or country.

 
thriftyrocker said:
I think Jesse Ventura turned out to be a better than average governor, and his election was a similar populist upheaval to the status quo. I worry about disqualifying "celebrity politician" as a kneejerk to Trump. Drain the swamp can work if done by someone else. But Oz doesn't seem that way. He is moving to another state with no real message or purpose. He wants to be senator, not wants to help the state or country.
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Good example and I agree.  Unfortunately, celebrity and irrational fanaticism also seem to often go hand in hand so as Rock has said earlier...its tricky. 

 
rockaction said:
djmich said:
We kinda need to figure out what we want.  On one hand many seem to say they don't want career politicians and I think there is very sound reasoning to support that.  On the other hand we say that doctors aren't "qualified" to be senators.

Put aside Oz...which is it because frankly its hard to say you are qualified to be a senator without having spent a crap ton of time in government.
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This is a really good post. I'm guilty of this. I don't want someone shaped by the ways and money of Washington, yet I want someone completely qualified to serve who isn't also an academic. Where does that leave us, really? Nowhere. I suppose we're going to have to take the good with the bad for our next two generations (Xers and Millenials) and just agree on certain basic qualifications. It'll be ad hoc, so we'll have to be vigilant. I think now is more time than ever to realize that politicians are going to be flawed and human. 
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What we need are people that demonstrate the ability and capacity to make decisions for the greater good and not use the influence that comes with power to solely (or even mostly) enrich themselves. We also need to stop glorifying excellence in specific disciplines (medicine, celebrity, business, etc) and acting as if that automatically translates to other disciplines like leadership, policy or decision making, governance, negotiating, etc etc, it doesn’t.  Until we prioritize the first over the second (especially the celebrity aspect) we are in trouble with the choosing of our elected representatives.  

 
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djmich said:
We kinda need to figure out what we want.  On one hand many seem to say they don't want career politicians and I think there is very sound reasoning to support that.  On the other hand we say that doctors aren't "qualified" to be senators.

Put aside Oz...which is it because frankly its hard to say you are qualified to be a senator without having spent a crap ton of time in government.
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Doctors are no more qualified than the vast vast majority of people to be senators.  I could make a case that specialist doctors — like, say, heart surgeons — are less qualified than a generic person in 2 key ways:  1) they spend most of their career micro-focused on a very narrow topic or specialty, 2) they are in charge of their small operating room universe almost like mini-dictators.

IMO we need senators (or representatives) with a broad background AND the ability to compromise and work with others toward shared goals.  That’s just my view — but it seems rational based on the job — and very little surgeons do in their career prepares them to be a senator.

Don't know much about Dr Oz.  Would rather have someone who runs a small business (like a hardware store or a restaurant) or someone who is general manager of a local big box chain store to be in the senate.  But again, that’s just me.  

 
Alex P Keaton said:
Doctors are no more qualified than the vast vast majority of people to be senators.  I could make a case that specialist doctors — like, say, heart surgeons — are less qualified than a generic person in 2 key ways:  1) they spend most of their career micro-focused on a very narrow topic or specialty, 2) they are in charge of their small operating room universe almost like mini-dictators.

IMO we need senators (or representatives) with a broad background AND the ability to compromise and work with others toward shared goals.  That’s just my view — but it seems rational based on the job — and very little surgeons do in their career prepares them to be a senator.

Don't know much about Dr Oz.  Would rather have someone who runs a small business (like a hardware store or a restaurant) or someone who is general manager of a local big box chain store to be in the senate.  But again, that’s just me.  
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I agree with much of what you’re getting at.  I think running a business is a great way to gain a lot of valuable experience.

I think you’re selling short the scope of what a physicians exposure to business, leadership, decision making, etc.  Depends on the physician though.  I also value education, pedigree of the institution, etc.  Not sure restaurant managers win out across all of these when you step back and look at them.

 
dkp993 said:
What we need are people that demonstrate the ability and capacity to make decisions for the greater good and not use the influence that comes with power to solely (or even mostly) enrich themselves. We also need to stop glorifying excellence in specific disciplines (medicine, celebrity, business, etc) and acting as if that automatically translates to other disciplines like leadership, policy or decision making, governance, negotiating, etc etc, it doesn’t.  Until we prioritize the first over the second (especially the celebrity aspect) we are in trouble with the choosing of our elected representatives.  
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Also agree with you but I don’t really see business as a discipline.  Business is a great way to test and evaluate someone’s leadership, decision making, etc.

 
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djmich said:
Also agree with you but I don’t really see business as a disciple.  Business is a great way to test and evaluate someone’s leadership, decision making, etc.
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It certainly CAN be. I’m in business. But I’ve also meet many many successful businessmen who’s specific skill sets lead to success but they were disastrous outside of those lanes. In my experience there often seems to be a division between people who came up through the ranks in business as leaders and thus have to learn the skill sets you speak of vs successful entrepreneurs who often don’t. 

 
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djmich said:
I agree with much of what you’re getting at.  I think running a business is a great way to gain a lot of valuable experience.

I think you’re selling short the scope of what a physicians exposure to business, leadership, decision making, etc.  Depends on the physician though.  I also value education, pedigree of the institution, etc.  Not sure restaurant managers win out across all of these when you step back and look at them.
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All very fair points.

 
Alex P Keaton said:
Don't know much about Dr Oz.  Would rather have someone who runs a small business (like a hardware store or a restaurant) or someone who is general manager of a local big box chain store to be in the senate.  But again, that’s just me.
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A Chief Medical Officer of a hospital would be a better choice than a specialist surgeon.  Just like a Dean in a University would be better than a tenured professor.

 
tymarsas said:
You took away his credentials and disparaged his career by calling him Mr Oz. Regardless of what you think about him and I don't think much of him, he earned the right to be called Dr Oz.
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Oz has now forfeited the high ground in this argument. His ads now claim that the medical community has turned against him because he "dared to disagree with Fauci". Not "Dr. Fauci", not "Anthony Fauci", not even "Mr. Fauci", just "Fauci".  And, he virtually spits out the name like it's some sort of venereal disease. Clearly, earning the right to be called "Dr." doesn't mean much to him.

thriftyrocker said:
This morning I saw the first attack ad against Oz, some Republican PAC saying he is too liberal for PA. A key point being Asplundh, which is a tree pruning service related to his wife's family, received record fines for hired illegals. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmxaDFTMtnw
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This ad cracks me up every time I see it (which is a lot). Does Asplundh prove Oz is willing to break the law by hiring illegal immigrants and that's why you shouldn't vote for him? No, according to the ad, it just proves that Oz is a "Hollywood liberal". So, a guy whose business is centered in NY and has lived most of his life in NJ is a "Hollywood liberal" because his company hired illegal immigrants? If this wasn't the GOP primary, where you can't step on the wrong toes, someone would point out that these facts make Donald Trump a Hollywood liberal.

 
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apalmer said:
Oz has now forfeited the high ground in this argument. His ads now claim that the medical community has turned against him because he "dared to disagree with Fauci". Not "Dr. Fauci", not "Anthony Fauci", not even "Mr. Fauci", just "Fauci".  And, he virtually spits out the name like it's some sort of venereal disease. Clearly, earning the right to be called "Dr." doesn't mean much to him.

This ad cracks me up every time I see it (which is a lot). Does Asplundh prove Oz is willing to break the law by hiring illegal immigrants and that's why you shouldn't vote for him? No, according to the ad, it just proves that Oz is a "Hollywood liberal". So, a guy whose business is centered in NY and has lived most of his life in NJ is a "Hollywood liberal" because his company hired illegal immigrants? If this wasn't the GOP primary, where you can't step on the wrong toes, someone would point out that these facts make Donald Trump a Hollywood liberal.
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The bolded seems to indicate this guy isn't from PA either. 

 
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