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****OFFICIAL DYNASTY TRADES**** (16 Viewers)
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kittenmittens
Footballguy
I thought it was pretty close value, but then again I like Godwin, think the 1 09 will yield a nice player in TE Premium, and don't hate Freeman.
I don't see the Bucs bringing in a big name receiver unless somebody falls, they need too much. I think they bring in somebody but not a big name, already too many mouths and they need RB way more. I do think they want to run Godwin out of the slot.
I'd be more concerned that bad landing spots spoil an otherwise deep class and make 1.09 more questionable than Godwin not putting up WR2 numbers.
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I'm sure I'm in the minority here, but I don't hate it. But I love Godwin and still have plenty of hope for Royce. He actually had a pretty solid rookie season but it was (rightfully so) overshadowed by Lindsay. But with Lindsay still recovering from his injury, Royce is going to have plenty of opportunity to impress the new staff, and it wouldn't shock me if he plays his way into the lead back role next year. Royce actually beat Lindsay in both missed tackles forced and yards after contact per attempt last year.kittenmittens said:
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
12 team ppr QB/2RB/3WR/TE/FL
Team A gave up Bernard, Giovani CIN RB; Hilton, T.Y. IND WR
Team B gave up Jackson, Justin LAC RB; Callaway, Antonio CLE WR; Washington, James PIT WR; Year 2020 Round 1 Draft Pick from Team B (defending champ likely late).
Team A gave up Bernard, Giovani CIN RB; Hilton, T.Y. IND WR
Team B gave up Jackson, Justin LAC RB; Callaway, Antonio CLE WR; Washington, James PIT WR; Year 2020 Round 1 Draft Pick from Team B (defending champ likely late).
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
12 team ppr QB/2RB/3WR/TE/FL
Team A
Jones, Aaron RB | GB
Diggs, Stefon WR | MIN
Edwards, Gus RB | BAL
1.07
Team B
Hill, Tyreek WR | KC
Gurley, Todd RB | LAR
2.11
Team A
Jones, Aaron RB | GB
Diggs, Stefon WR | MIN
Edwards, Gus RB | BAL
1.07
Team B
Hill, Tyreek WR | KC
Gurley, Todd RB | LAR
2.11
deadlyrange0321
Footballguy
12 team PPR 1QB/1RB/1WR/1TE/3Flex
Team A trades:
Patrick Mahomes
Team B trades:
Brandin Cooks
Team A trades:
Patrick Mahomes
Team B trades:
Brandin Cooks
kittenmittens
Footballguy
ffmail4me
Footballguy
ffmail4me
Footballguy
kittenmittens
Footballguy
12 team PPR qrrwwwtf
Aaron Jones for 2020 1st (late)
Aaron Jones for 2020 1st (late)
deadlyrange0321
Footballguy
Interesting. I was not involved but I felt it was pretty good value in a start 1 QB league. Hard to move QBs, in my experience, in that setting.
ffmail4me
Footballguy
I only play in 1 QB leagues, and its true its hard to get great value. But I can't think of a metric where having the #1 QB (BY FAR) in FF for the next 10 years is = Cooks, who's a solid WR, but I think most wouldn't rate him in the top 7 right now (some maybe top 10). Mahomes can win his owner games by himself, Cooks very rarely will do that IMO. I would gladly move Cooks in the leagues I own him (regardless of my QBs) for Mahomes.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I think people who have been playing a long time realize that Mahomes is not likely to be the #1 QB "by far" for the next ten years. Brady and Manning has years where they lapped the field and came back to the pack the next year.
Cooks side. 12 team leagues make QBs very insignificant. It is close though. There is also the possibility of Hill getting in trouble and that could be devastating to Mahomes. Mahomes has to produce as the #1 QB by a large margin for several seasons because of his position for this to work for that side.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Yes. It was me who traded them away - I've won that league back to back and just didn't want to deal with the risk and worry all offseason. This is my local dynasty so there's not as much trading as in internet leagues and no one wanted to touch Gurley, so I was really left with one person to deal with.
I have Gurley in another league and I'll probably hold there. Mitigating the risk of him in one league was important to me. While, I do have serious concerns about Gurley's knee, at this point I think Hill is likely going to go unscathed in the child abuse allegations (but there is still some risk).
I fully expected this trade to get slammed (and I can't blame those that do) but I did not have a first round pick this year and I'm higher on Diggs than most. I'm not totally sold on Jones long term, but I'm kind of intrigued by him with the new coaching staff. I still think I'm a serious contender after this trade but obviously losing Hill and a healthy Gurley brings me closer to the pack.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
kittenmittens
Footballguy
I wouldn't slam that, it's the kind of contrarian move that could easily look prescient in a few months.
Gurley is a pretty big concern for me. Some are blowing it off saying the Rams can easily manage this, however I'm concerned that he wasn't playing full time in the playoffs.
Who knows what is going on with Hill, and I like Diggs quite a bit too. 1.07 should also have a really good player there.
Cooks slightly devalued here vs most leagues since I only have to start one WR but even in most leagues where I can only start one QB and have to start 2+ WR's I'd take Mahomes. Cooks is solid, Mahomes more of a difference maker.
Yes you should feel good getting the 1.7 though it's weird to me that last year when McKinnon signed with the 49'ers his stock soared and when Coleman signs with them everyone cooled on him. Was it the money he got vs what McKinnon got? The comp of McKinnon and Breida? Not sure but if I'm betting on the SF RB's next year in order I'd go Coleman, McKinnon and Breida.
My feeling is even if you bake in Gurley's knee/usage and Hill's suspension risk you got back about 80 cents on the dollar of their current depressed value.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Maybe - I've seen worse individual trades in here. I surely knew I was selling at a discount though.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I say Mahomes here pretty easily. I think the next 6 or so years of his career he will be the top scoring QB in that time frame, maybe even if Hill were to never play again (which I highly doubt). I would make this deal then deal whoever my other QB is.
Now, in one of my leagues we have to start 8 RB/WR/TE. I would still take Mahomes in that league as well, so in a league where you only have to start 6 RB/WR/TE I think it is a no brainer.
Regardless of who your other QB happens to be, I make the deal. Rodgers, Luck, doesnt matter to me. Maybe even find a way to incorporate them in the deal in some way.
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
I don't think I would deal Gurley and Hill for this even if I knew for a fact Hill was going to miss the entire 2019 season.
If I knew Hill was not going to be suspended, I would not deal just Hill for that package.
12 Team PPR Dynasty league-
Team 1 gave- Gallup, Michael DAL WR and Ross, John CIN WR and Year 2019 Draft Pick 2.01 and Year 2019 Draft Pick 3.01 and Year 2019 Draft Pick 4.01 and all 4 rounds of picks in 2020. Almost guaranteed to be the 1.1 pick. At worst the 1.3.
Team 2 gave- Johnson, Kerryon DET RB and Williams, Damien KCC RB
Team 1 gave- Gallup, Michael DAL WR and Ross, John CIN WR and Year 2019 Draft Pick 2.01 and Year 2019 Draft Pick 3.01 and Year 2019 Draft Pick 4.01 and all 4 rounds of picks in 2020. Almost guaranteed to be the 1.1 pick. At worst the 1.3.
Team 2 gave- Johnson, Kerryon DET RB and Williams, Damien KCC RB
Birdie048
Footballguy
Well, QB in a 1QB league might be hard to move, but my recent trade of Mahomes yielded some negative feedback. I like Mayfield and I am hoping Tre'Quan steps up in the high scoring offense and the 2020 1st was the critical piece to get me to accept.
While I really like B Cooks, I think this was a bit under value for Mahomes. Even in PPR.
Zyphros
Footballguy
Mahomes is a screaming sell-high, but this feels like an undersell given his value at the moment.
1QB league? I'm siding with Cooks here. All he does is throw together 1000 yard seasons every single year.
This seems like a solid "sell high" for Mahomes at this moment. He's in the running with several other guys for the #1 overall QB, but I really don't think it's as cut and dried as others above. Cooks should cement himself as a top-5 WR, and he's already had an amazing start to his career.
Couple all of that with the fact that QBs in 12-team leagues are a bit of an afterthought, and I think this pretty much an even trade. Both sides get what they want.
jtd13
Footballguy
I'll take the big ol flaming ball of risk and upside you gave away. Although I like moving from Hill to Diggs, and the reasons you stated below for doing it maje sense.
Cooks, pretty easily for me. Great sell high on a low value position.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I don't know why people think all QBs are the same.
In Zealots, where all TDs are 6, Mahomes scored almost 6 points per game more than 2nd place Matt Ryan.
In Zealots, where all TDs are 6, Mahomes scored almost 6 points per game more than 2nd place Matt Ryan.
Yes, he had an amazing year. He passed for the 2nd most TD's ever in a season. I tend not to assume that historically great seasons will be duplicated the next season. If you go that route you will be right more often than not. He could still have a great season with 40 td's but that brings him back to the pack. That is what we see happening over the past 30 years after amazing seasons.I don't know why people think all QBs are the same.
In Zealots, where all TDs are 6, Mahomes scored almost 6 points per game more than 2nd place Matt Ryan.
ChuckLiddell
Footballguy
Full year of NFL film available to coaches now, no blue chip RB, and potential to lose his stud child-beating girlfriend-beating WR for several weeks if not the season if not forever. Sell high if you can! I still think you can do better than just Cooks though given where his value is right now and the fact that Hill has not received his punishment yet.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
It was his first year. He has like 16 or 17 career starts. He is 23. Not saying he will ever do better than the season he just had (though he certainly could), but he doesnt need to to justify that move.
You could ride his pretty much guaranteed top 3 total QB points for the next 5 years and then sell at that point, and still get decent value just like people selling Rodgers like 5 years ago. Cooks will be worth not so much in his 30s.
I not only think Mahomes points above whoever else you had in there will be greater than the difference between Cooks and whoever you replace him with, but I think he will have a ton more value 5 years from now when he is still scoring tons and Cooks is closing in on worthlessness.
More value, more total point. Great move
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Fully agree. It's one thing to say QBs are devalued as a general statement but that isn't really true for the top QB. If I can't get one of the very top QBs, or *the* consensus top QB, then yes I'm happy with any of the rest of them and would consider them nearly valueless.
kittenmittens
Footballguy
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jeaton6
Footballguy
skinfanjon
Footballguy
Interseptopus
Footballguy
12 team ppr
Got 1.10, 3.5 for Anthony Miller
Liking 1.10 options better than Miller, especially unsure about trubisky, and Miller is 3rd at best for targets in that offense and has to share with Gabriel.
3.5 can be a nice dart throw
Got 1.10, 3.5 for Anthony Miller
Liking 1.10 options better than Miller, especially unsure about trubisky, and Miller is 3rd at best for targets in that offense and has to share with Gabriel.
3.5 can be a nice dart throw
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jtd13
Footballguy
It's less about Mahomes for me, and more about what else you can get at the position. 1 of 2 things is going to happen with Mahomes: either NFL defense will figure out how to slow down the crazy prolific offense of the 2018 Chiefs, or they won't and half the league will copy the Chiefs and carry several more QBs to crazy numbers. Either way, I'll take the under on Mahomes ever being that big of a positional advantage over a season again in his career.
Dez
Footballguy
It wasn't that long ago when Luck was going at the 1.01 in some startup drafts and in the 1st round of almost all startup drafts (2015)
https://play.scoutfantasysports.com/football2015/leagueF1000033/index.php?page=draftboard&xconf=1
Early in the 2017 season Watson was looking like the future greatest QB of all time.
https://play.scoutfantasysports.com/football2015/leagueF1000033/index.php?page=draftboard&xconf=1
Early in the 2017 season Watson was looking like the future greatest QB of all time.
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