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****OFFICIAL DYNASTY TRADES**** (27 Viewers)
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Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
With your depth at RB, I like this trade personally. I'm not huge on Waller this year but I think Fournette could find himself on a different team in the next couple of years which will significantly limit his value.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
Wow. I have 1.1 in a league and I would give you it in a heart beat for MT. I do have Barkley, Kamara, and Mixon though so that would make that easier for me.
I would not have traded Fournette for this myself because I'm pretty flat on Marlon Mack and don't buy into it being time to move Fournette but if you do this is a solid enough return.
NE_REVIVAL
Footballguy
I believe trying to properly evaluate player trade value absent any context on the teams involved is pretty difficult and yet so many of us try to do just that. I can imagine having only 1 semi stud rb (chubb) and plethora of quality wrs mt,evans,gallup,mclaurin,allen,kupp and a rich wr rookie draft where such a move might make sense. I can also imagine a world where drew brees retires next yr and mts value takes a huge hit. I don't have to imagine that sites like player profiler already have taylor ranked ahead of mt. I could certainly see it having blown up in my face and I could see it working out quite well but i don't think it is as crazy as u seem to imply; to each his own its all good man.
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NE_REVIVAL
Footballguy
MT's an interesting case because his FFPC ADP in startups right now is 1.3 but I don't actually see him bring back a big haul.
I drafted him in a few leagues when he entered the league.
One of those leagues I've not got a trade offer for him in 3 years. Not one single offer. Granted I don't shop him, but you'd think someone would make an unsolicited offer at some point and I'm fairly active so not like I'm difficult to approach for a deal.
Another of those leagues I traded him away after his rookie year because I needed RB help. Between week 5-6 this year, when he was putting up about 23.5 PPG he was traded in this league for Michael Gallup and a second. I don't want to get super deep into this but that would be the first and only trade this league of 5 years would overturn(something in hindsight I think we should not have done but that's another story). Point is and only reason I bring it up is to show what someone traded him for and that the whole league knew MT was available. I had two firsts, my own which was currently the top team in the league and another team who I think was around the 4th best team at the time but was a strong roster and a virtual playoff lock. The MT owner sent me an email asking if I'd have interest in giving up my two firsts for MT. I ended up doing it, and those picks ended up being 10/11 which is fairly close to where they were when we did the trade so about par for the course.
So it seems like he should draw a haul, that he should be valued easily over 1.1, but I'm not actually seeing that. I think it has to do with a combo of factors. RB need when talking about the 1.1. WR is deep and not a lot of teams dying at WR in my leagues and concern over post-Brees life for him(for me I probably would not have dealt the two #1's if in fact MT putting up stats with Teddy did not give me post-Brees confidence).
Personally I like RB's over WR's when all things are equal but I would NOT deal Thomas for 1.1, for sure not yet when NFL draft has not happened. But saying that I guess I'm trying to say in a very long winded way it's not crazy to me either seeing lack of offers made for him and what he was traded for essentially twice in one of my leagues and I'd say if my Thomas teams were stacked at WR and needed RB help it's something I'd likely consider post NFL draft if I really liked were one of my top RB's landed.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
WHUT??!!! I was with you on every word until that part, wow! Why would you try to move him, number 1, and how would anyone reject that, number 2?
SF BB Dyno sounds fun. I'm in one dynasty that is a best ball and it is a *lot* more inseason management than I thought I was signing up for. Super fun though.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
MT was fine last year without Brees. It would affect him but he is too good not to be a top 5 WR. There is no guarantee that Taylor/Swift will ever be a top 5 RB.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
In my best Spinal Tap Nigel voice: But that's 50 more than these other blokes. They're only bidding up to 100. Mine goes to 150.
I can't really quantify it either. My qualitative, anecdotal at best take is that every season there are like 2-4 league winners available on the wire. *My* definition of league winning includes picking a guy up that may only help you for a few weeks, and it might be at the beginning, middle, or end of the season. And there seems to always be 1 or 2 guys at the end of the preseason that are available week 1. Roster and league size is a gigantic variable here, but I think the extra $50 FAAB could potentially be huge. Timing is key.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
To me this is the key and I think the tiebreaker should go receiver, depending on how close you are to being able to really compete. I find top tier receivers harder to trade for these days than RBs. IDK.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I don't think so. I think he is worth two 1.01s. Maybe more. As for that context that is missing that you spoke of, and I agree completely that nothing happens in a vaccum, my context is that you simply never trade Michael Thomas. You crush opponents. It's not value we're after it is boxscore domination. Value doesn't do that. Michael Thomas does that.
No I'm kidding I know his value could fall when Brees leaves and 1.01 could really hit but I'm not sure it matters. If you want to move Thomas then you should be getting more. My ten cents but like you said to each his own. I would probably never shop the guy. Ever. When he shows me that he has actually fallen off a cliff at like 33, I'll just light a candle and smile.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I think Larry Fitzgerald has put up like two or three WR1 seasons since I traded him as an >30 year old that was losing value. Outlier. So is MT.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I said somewhere else around here that I think there's a list of about 10 guys that I think are "set it and forget it" studs. Thomas is on that list.
ffmail4me
Footballguy
I know I picked up Lindsay during the first waiver run in our leagues a few years ago, and got Preston in every league last year. So yeah I think for sure you can get lucky if your waivers are shut down until after preseason games and if your rookie draft is right after the NFL draft.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
The reason you haven't gotten any offers is because he is practically untouchable. Most owners have enough sense to not even try. Others are wise enough not to shop him.
As for those instances you have not seen him go for a haul, I've seen him go for Barkley, for 1.01 plus KJ last year, and that's about it. Two moves I can think of.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Kupp, the 1.06 and an early 2nd for Miles Sanders, the 1.08 and a late 2nd.
ffmail4me
Footballguy
I'd rather move back a few picks in the 1st but have Sanders over Kupp...but that looks like a positional need trade anyway.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
It was my trade. Not so much positional just wanted to divest myself of Kupp and I like Sanders a lot.
I don't know, like I said I gave a long winded example of how a whole league knew he was available and people were not in a big rush to buy him. The trade we even overturned, where the guy gave Gallup and a second, he actually refused to give Gallup and a first and ended up taking the counter.
Some leagues are just different. This is FFPC rules league but I've never seen a league eat up RB's like this league.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I don't know your league mates, but do you think it's because they know/knew better than to try? I don't mean in terms of how they view you as a trade partner, but because it's just hard to buy a top stud at a top price. Those deals are scarce because who can afford it and who wants to give him up? That example with Gallup is insanity to me, an example of someone selling super low, which is indicative of being a fish in my eyes (or at least on that one specific deal), but yeah each league *is* different.
As for myself, I have offered a top tier RB, top tier WR, and top rookie pick as a package and been told he isn't available. I haven't tried super hard to get him but in the spots I have I've offered a lot more than some of the completed deals being mentioned, including by me.
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Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I don't know that I would have done that unless I was rebuilding and/or knew where those picks were going to fall. MT is a monster.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I like this move. I think Sanders has talent. I rode him to a chip last year in a redraft league. I'm not completely sold on Kupp's value and only dropping 2 spots in the 1st make this worth it for me but it would definitely depend on roster makeup.
The league no one makes me an offer I don't know. You might be right. I do make a lot of major trades in that league but no one has approached me for CMC either in last few years. In fact last time anyone offered me a trade for either of them was after CMC's rookie season when I was offered Elliot for both CMC and Thomas. Got to think of how their values were at the time, Elliot was 1 or 2 overall and CMC and Thomas had not quite broke out yet and I had a need to consolidate my rosters and I was very close to doing that deal. Not sure any trade offer in my history ever gave me more thought then that one and just thankful I passed and have never got an offer for them again.
Now the league someone actually traded him for Gallup and a second before it got overturned and I got him for two late #1's of course everyone knew Thomas was available and was not expensive. Based on conversations regarding those trades it seems a lot of league was concerned about Brees but at this point he'd had a few weeks with Teddy and no massive drop off so that gave me a lot of confidence. Also some people referred to my trade to acquire him as a "win now" move and that puzzled me since he was 26 at the time. And fwiw this is a league with ton of highly experienced big time players. I think it's just a combo of league puts such a high value on RB's, and even acquiring a TE in this league is more difficult then any of my leagues, and just seems to devalue WR along with concern over post-Brees. Anyway, I'm happy to have got him back and honestly when I picked him in the first place he lasted till pick 1.12 of the rookie draft when I was taking him as player 6 in other FFPC leagues.
Some leagues are just different. Like in a lot of leagues you could draft Kamara are 11 or later, Hunt similar into round two. In the league Thomas went cheap Kamara and Hunt went like 6/7 in the rookie draft.
Birdie048
Footballguy
Little blip in the trade efforts.... 12 Team PPR (my other TE's are LVR Waller, LAR Higbee, WASH Sprinkle & NYG Kaden Smith) Can only start 2 TE max
Gave: NOS TE Jared Cook
Got: 2020 Pick 3.10
My thoughts .... with E Sanders in NOS, I don't think Cook will see the # targets to warrant Top 15 TE value.
Owner also offered 2.10 for Higbee but I was reluctant to part with him for that.... just a little light IMO.
Gave: NOS TE Jared Cook
Got: 2020 Pick 3.10
My thoughts .... with E Sanders in NOS, I don't think Cook will see the # targets to warrant Top 15 TE value.
Owner also offered 2.10 for Higbee but I was reluctant to part with him for that.... just a little light IMO.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
I think Cook in New Orleans is pretty underrated. Bridgewater didn't look his way but he was great with Brees and no one really noticed.
30-574-7 in 9 games with Brees. Over a 16 game season that is 53-1020-12. Obviously I'm not expecting that many TDs and he could lose some targets to Sanders but he was TE4 in ppg when Brees was playing last year and now we're hearing not top 15 TE?
He's old and you have other good options so I can see why you'd want to move him, but unless roster space was a major issue I would rather have held into the season and moved him then when most of the TEs bust and a bunch of people realize they have a need there instead of thinking their random Greg Olsen or Eric Ebron's are going to cover their butts like they do right now. It also would have protected you against Waller or Higbee regressing which both are very much candidates to do.
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Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
Not a horrible trade but not sure I move him for less than a 2nd round pick. Sprinkle and Smith do nothing for you I believe and become waiver wire fodder in the next couple of years.
Tejas
Footballguy
Just to add some color and context to my FFPC trade of MT, I do believe I received premium value for him and David Montgomery.menobrown said:
Miles Sanders is going to be a pretty good PPR back for the next 3-4 seasons. With the 1.3 in this draft, I’m guaranteed to land Lamb, Jeudy, Taylor, etc. I’ll take a chance in a pass happy league that Lamb, Jeudy or any of the top 5 WR’s in this incredible class put up WR1 stats sometime in the next 2-3 seasons. Now picking the right player is obviously a variable no one can account for. It’s a crap shoot. But I also have adequate assets with a Top-3 projected 2021 1st to acquire another player or simply build upon a solid base next draft as well.
Overall Miles Sanders, 1.3, and a very high 2021 1st is a great return for MT and a player I use to be high on, but would sell faster than drumpf shuts down questions from Yamiche.
What happens to MT’s value when Brees decides to hang it up? What if Brees rescinds this season? What’s if he’s injured again. I know the “what if” game can go both ways, but the NFL is a passing league, acquiring WR’s is the easiest part of constructing fantasy rosters.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
It is absolutely the kind of return I think one should expect. As something close to a floor. I have offered this level of a deal and been told he isn't available.
As a hedge against the likelihood of MT's value falling as we move forward, it is a great return. I think he can be elite for several more years, but that may not be enough to compete on a given roster. This deal might. So I can see it. Me? I'm holding forever and scrapping elsewhere for value.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I have to disagree. I think acquiring WR2/3 types with WR1 upside is the easiest part. Acquiring the top studs is a different matter. Not talking about the one year wonders that finish top 12 but the perennial studs. There's usually something like 3-6 of them. MT is at the top of that list, but yes he is another year older. I don't mind your trade at all for value. And I agree that those pieces will help you.
Speaking of which I made a cut down deadline on FFPC rules league the other nightBirdie048 said:
Gave : E Sanders
Got: 3.7
Had to free up a roster space and I got ton of good but old WR's and depending on if AB plays in 2020 I had Sanders as my projected WR5/6, I'm also super light on early picks with my best one at 3.4 so this is my second best pick so shook an old WR, got to keep an extra player and got my second best pick. I own Michael Thomas, and Brees, so did kind of like having MT insurance and owning up Saints QB and top two WR's but really the player I wanted to make room to keep was Brees so that was a problem and historically I just don't see a lot of high usage for the Saints #2WR, his signing seems really good for the team and Brees but not so sure about for Sanders value.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Man - getting peppered with dynasty trade offers today. People must be bored with social isolators & no sports.
Hope everyone is staying safe.
Now I’ve gotta decide if I wanna give up Allen Robinson & a 2022 2nd for Will Fuller + Darrell Henderson. That’s the best of them so far.
Not sure if Henderson will be the starter in LA, and I hate Fuller’s soft tissue injury history.
Hope everyone is staying safe.
Now I’ve gotta decide if I wanna give up Allen Robinson & a 2022 2nd for Will Fuller + Darrell Henderson. That’s the best of them so far.
Not sure if Henderson will be the starter in LA, and I hate Fuller’s soft tissue injury history.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Not a bad deal, but Sanders should have a big year in NO, provided we have football.
We might define big year differently but I don't recall any WR2 having a big year in NO, not enough to go around with a dominant WR1, RB who is second on team in receptions each year and liberal use of the TE.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yeah but is that a chicken and an egg thing?
Have they not had a big WR2 season because of all that, or because they haven’t had anyone capable of performing better than the TE?
i honestly don’t know. I do know that Sanders runs great routes & has excellent hands - Brees is going to love him. I wouldn’t be shocked by a 80 catch, 900 yard, 9 TD season.
it’s been hard to predict NOS production in general though. Will they be Kamara-centric? Will they continue to pepper Thomas? If so then why bring in Sanders? Seems like they made his acquisition a high priority.
Tough to say. I do think you got fair value for him though.
Boone22
Footballguy
I personally would not do this deal. As you mentioned, Fuller is hit or miss based on his health and I know there’s opportunity in LA with Gurley gone but I’m not so sure (as a lot of other people appear to be on this board) that Henderson takes over the starting role.Man - getting peppered with dynasty trade offers today. People must be bored with social isolators & no sports.
Hope everyone is staying safe.
Now I’ve gotta decide if I wanna give up Allen Robinson & a 2022 2nd for Will Fuller + Darrell Henderson. That’s the best of them so far.
Not sure if Henderson will be the starter in LA, and I hate Fuller’s soft tissue injury history.
Unless Thomas goes down mark me down as being shocked if he caught 80 passes because I just think he's going to be looking at something in the 100 target range and won't be running a lot of short or underneath routes.
Like I said in my initial post on the trade I think he brings a lot of value to the team, a good signing for them, but I don't necessarily correlate making someone a priority as leading to high fantasy usage.
I would agree he is the best WR2 the team has had and if if I'm wrong and he's putting up huge stats with a healthy Thomas would likely to lead to great success by Brees so in that sense I win either way because I traded him to be able to keep Brees.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yeah, I’m leaning strongly towards no.
especially since I hardly have any 2020 or 2021 picks, and by 2022 my roster may be due for fresh blood.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Solid. I’d rather have the Brown side. Kid’s a legit talent if he can stay on the field.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Boston
Footballguy
That is a steal...Brown is a guy I am very high on...easy to forget but he was coming off a legit injury and still showed a lot...I could really see him taking a big step this year.
