****OFFICIAL DYNASTY TRADES**** (20 Viewers)

[FreeBaGeL]

That is a massive haul for a QB in a 1 QB league and to me makes him a sell sell sell.  I am a Raiders homer that loves me some Darth Carr, but I'd move him for that in a heartbeat.  Too easy to go get a QB cheap that can score within a couple of PPG of Carr.  Bortles, Rivers, and Mariotta all finished within 1.0 PPG last year.  Palmer 1.05, Dalton 1.5.

What would you get if you bundled all of those together, 1.04?  Hell I could probably turn that into Rodgers if he's on a team looking to build.

If someone is trading 1.04 or Rodgers for that then they shouldn't be trading.

 

[Hankmoody]

That's not true in a Zealots dynasty IDP league. Rosters are at 54 players and all QBs are rostered including most back ups.

And I'm not sure what your scoring system is but Bortles was 1.8 ppg less and Dalton over 3 ppg less. Rivers is just old.

Fair enough.  Even among the 1 QB leagues I play in there are different degrees of ease of getting alternatives, but nothing this drastic.  Makes a lot more sense in that context. 

 

[Hankmoody]

If someone is trading 1.04 or Rodgers for that then they shouldn't be trading.

Never mind, total brain fart, I had Davonte Adams pictured in my mind here.  I retract nearly all previous comments

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I don't really consider Montgomery, 1.12, and 2.07 to be a haul.  More like a collection of lotto tickets.  I expect 2.07 and probably even Montgomery to be pretty low probability lotto tickets and 1.12 isn't exactly approaching even toss-up territory historically either.

It's a nice upside swing but even as someone generally down on QBs I'd probably take Carr and be done with it, even in a normal roster size league (the deep rosters in Andy's league only increase Carr's value).

As some one that has tried to move Montgomery this offseason, I can assure you he is not highly valued.

 

[-OZ-]

That's not true in a Zealots dynasty IDP league. Rosters are at 54 players and all QBs are rostered including most back ups.

And I'm not sure what your scoring system is but Bortles was 1.8 ppg less, Palmer 2, and Dalton over 3 ppg less. Rivers is just old.

And sure you could swing mythical trades with mythical owners. 

In IDP I'm not giving the 12 and 19 for Carr but it's fair.  Not a fan of Monty long term so he doesn't push it either way.

 

[Hankmoody]

I don't really consider Montgomery, 1.12, and 2.07 to be a haul.  More like a collection of lotto tickets.  I expect 2.07 and probably even Montgomery to be pretty low probability lotto tickets and 1.12 isn't exactly approaching even toss-up territory historically either.

It's a nice upside swing but even as someone generally down on QBs I'd probably take Carr and be done with it, even in a normal roster size league (the deep rosters in Andy's league only increase Carr's value).

As some one that has tried to move Montgomery this offseason, I can assure you he is not highly valued.

Yeah this is right, he was responding to me when I mistakenly had Adams in my mind and not Montgomery.  He was telling me I was crazy, and he was exactly correct (once I got the right Packer involved!)

 

[Dawg Pound 69]

I wasn't involved, and initially thought it was an April Fool's Day joke since it came through on that date :

Julio and Rob Kelley for D Henry and 2018 2nd (team is picking 10th this year, so not likely to be a high 2nd).

12 team PPR, start 2 RB's and 2 or 3 WR's.

 

[garlicduck]

I wasn't involved, and initially thought it was an April Fool's Day joke since it came through on that date :

Julio and Rob Kelley for D Henry and 2018 2nd (team is picking 10th this year, so not likely to be a high 2nd).

12 team PPR, start 2 RB's and 2 or 3 WR's.

When did Julio die?  I can't find anything about it on the news...  Just terrible!!!

 

[83805]

Massively.  Are there components of the trade that are missing?

Rodgers hugely over Prescott.

Sneed a bit below Tate, if not equal to him.

4.11 obviously less than 4.03.

Really don't see this one for the team trading Rodgers.

I don't think so. Team trading away Rodgers was 8-5 last season & the 3rd highest scoring team. Has Palmer as a #2. Team getting Rodgers was 5-8 last season, middle of the pack in scoring & has Smith as backup.

 

[squistion]

Rodgers is 33 and the elite QBs are all playing well into their very late 30's now.  This is like trading away a 24 year old running back because you're "rebuilding".

Exactly. I took Rodgers in a start up in Feb at 3.09 (6 PTs per passing TD) and his age didn't even enter into the equation.

 

[Rockchild]

Just went down in one of my leagues:

Lamar Miller, Shane Vereen, Rishard Mathews, CJ, Fiedorowicz

for

Kenneth Dixon, Frank Gore, DeSean Jackson, Hunter Henry

 

[mcintyre1]

That's not true in a Zealots dynasty IDP league. Rosters are at 54 players and all QBs are rostered including most back ups.

And I'm not sure what your scoring system is but Bortles was 1.8 ppg less, Palmer 2, and Dalton over 3 ppg less. Rivers is just old.

And sure you could swing mythical trades with mythical owners. 

Zealots is so weird for QBs. They're simultaneously difficult to acquire and difficult to move, in my experience. 

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Zealots is so weird for QBs. They're simultaneously difficult to acquire and difficult to move, in my experience. 

People draft them to hoard them but then want too much in return to recoup their investment.

 

[barackdhouse]

12 team PPR QRRWWTFFDK TE premium

Team A gave CJ Anderson and Breshad Perriman

Team B gave 2018 1st(early to middle I would hope), Carson Wentz, Brandon LaFell

I'm Team A. I would have liked to get more but I'm not crazy about Denver offense or Perriman being the stud in Baltimore. I need a young QB with upside (he will go on my taxi squad) and I like acquiring the pick. LaFell will probably be cut but he was just a throw in anyway. This also allows me to not have to make difficult cuts next month.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

You came out way ahead.

 

[joey]

As some one that has tried to move Montgomery this offseason, I can assure you he is not highly valued.

I think everyone and their mother expect GB to draft an RB as serious competition to Montgomery this offseason. And Shark Pool darling, Christine Michael, is also in the mix.

If the draft passes and they don't draft an RB, or don't sign a Jamaal Charles or ADP, then THAT'S the time to try to move Montgomery (mid-2nd rounder perhaps in non-PPR?)

 

[Pwingles]

went down last night, not involved

12 team ppr, can start up to 5 wr

team A gets- Amari Cooper

team B gets- Will fuller, 1.02

 

[One More Rep]

went down last night, not involved

12 team ppr, can start up to 5 wr

team A gets- Amari Cooper

team B gets- Will fuller, 1.02

Cooper 

 

[fruity pebbles]

16 teams, ppr. Martavis Bryant and a scrub LBer for a late 2018 1st and Alec Ogletree, worth another late 1st. 

 

[Andy Dufresne]

went down last night, not involved

12 team ppr, can start up to 5 wr

team A gets- Amari Cooper

team B gets- Will fuller, 1.02

Cooper easily.

16 teams, ppr. Martavis Bryant and a scrub LBer for a late 2018 1st and Alec Ogletree, worth another late 1st. 

WTH?

 

[lardonastick]

12 teams, non-ppr. Start 1-2-3-1-1. All TD's 6 pts, INT's (-1). Not involved

R. Tannehill
L. McCoy

for

1.04
J. Tamme

 

[One More Rep]

12 teams, non-ppr. Start 1-2-3-1-1. All TD's 6 pts, INT's (-1). Not involved

R. Tannehill
L. McCoy

for

1.04
J. Tamme

The pick

 

[Spike]

12 teams, non-ppr. Start 1-2-3-1-1. All TD's 6 pts, INT's (-1). Not involved

R. Tannehill
L. McCoy

for

1.04
J. Tamme

If the team acquiring Tannehill and McCoy is contending and he needed the QB, I guess I would say that side; otherwise, the pick.

 

[lardonastick]

If the team acquiring Tannehill and McCoy is contending and he needed the QB, I guess I would say that side; otherwise, the pick.

Tannehill will backup Luck on that squad. McCoy will be his #1 RB.

Trade favors team getting 1.04, imo.

 

[menobrown]

12 teams, non-ppr. Start 1-2-3-1-1. All TD's 6 pts, INT's (-1). Not involved

R. Tannehill
L. McCoy

for

1.04
J. Tamme

The pick even if I'm a contending team needing a RB.

 

[menobrown]

went down last night, not involved

12 team ppr, can start up to 5 wr

team A gets- Amari Cooper

team B gets- Will fuller, 1.02

I'd rather have  Cooper in a vacuum  but if team B is in bad need of a RB I think the trade can be a win for them. But for me I don't move Cooper for 1 or 2 until I'm 100% sure of all relevant draft/landing spots, I don't move him and hope talent and opportunity are going to be available at 2, if I move him it's when I know.

 

[menobrown]

12 tm PPR, made 2 deals - wanted to shake things up even if I may have lost on value a bit:

1) Gave: K.Allen

Got: Gurley

2)Gave: Ingram, B.Powell

Got:G.Tate, 2.12

Its a start 2 RB, 3 WR, 1TE 1Flex 

Roster now:

Brady, Mariota

L.Bell, Gurley, AP, D.Martin

A.Brown, Hilton, G.Tate, Meredith, Fitz, Beasley

M.Bennett, Ertz, J.Thomas

Not sure if I'm better, worse or the same...just different 

Strongly prefer Gurley over Allen so to me that's a major win. The second trade was close and makes sense for your team based on roster.

I think you got better.

 

[Hankmoody]

16 teams, ppr. Martavis Bryant and a scrub LBer for a late 2018 1st and Alec Ogletree, worth another late 1st. 

So the 2018 1st and 50% of Ogletree for free.  I'll take that please thank me I'm welcome.  Even better that this trade makes that 2018 first likely earlier.

 

[northern exposure]

People draft them to hoard them but then want too much in return to recoup their investment.

I play in two Zealots leagues and this is 100% accurate regarding QBs. Any trade talks involving a young QB like Mariota, Carr, Luck, etc involves multiple firsts (or equivalent) as a starting point. 

 

[-OZ-]

Just went down in one of my leagues:

Lamar Miller, Shane Vereen, Rishard Mathews, CJ, Fiedorowicz

for

Kenneth Dixon, Frank Gore, DeSean Jackson, Hunter Henry

Henry but close. 

16 teams, ppr. Martavis Bryant and a scrub LBer for a late 2018 1st and Alec Ogletree, worth another late 1st. 

Funny, I was trying to acquire Bryant earlier this week and have ogletree, I'll be keeping ogletree over this for sure.

12 teams, non-ppr. Start 1-2-3-1-1. All TD's 6 pts, INT's (-1). Not involved

R. Tannehill
L. McCoy

for

1.04
J. Tamme

Even as a contender I'll trade McCoy for the 4, tanny is barely a factor.  But close enough to be fair. 

 

[Denver724]

10 team PPR. 

Zeke

for

Michael Thomas and 2017 1.05

 

[Andy Dufresne]

10 team PPR. 

Zeke

for

Michael Thomas and 2017 1.05

Yikes. 

 

[steelers1080]

10-team, non-ppr

2017 Pick 16, Ladarius Green, Rex Burkhead

for

2018 1st Round Pick

 

[Spike]

10 team PPR. 

Zeke

for

Michael Thomas and 2017 1.05

I have had Thomas and the 1.05 and got this offer, it likely would be the fastest "Accept" I would ever have.

Of course, it would be just my luck that I would accept it and then find out Zeke had lost his foot or something.

 

[bostonfred]

Thomas was a wr1 as a rookie sharing targets with Cooks, now he's the main attraction.  1.5 should net me a top young running back. Elliott just had a monster year too, but Dallas already changed an o lineman, Elliott has a possible suspension looming, we have no idea if Dak is really that good or another kaepernick/rg3/etc who bursts onto the scene and then cools off.  I'm not saying i.don't like Elliott - I'd probably take him 1.1 in any format.  

I'm not a fan of putting all your eggs in one basket and two really good pieces is pretty valuable. The back available at 5 will be a top 10 or 15 dynasty back almost by default and Thomas is already a top 10 dynasty receiver - and both pieces can appreciate in value a lot.  Elliott can't go up in value, only down. If Thomas improves on last year and cook/ Mixon/ mccaffrey/ whoever you take at 5 has a strong rookie year this will look like a very fair deal.

I'm not saying I'd snap accept it, but it's not as horrible as you guys are acting. 

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Thomas was a wr1 as a rookie sharing targets with Cooks, now he's the main attraction.  1.5 should net me a top young running back. Elliott just had a monster year too, but Dallas already changed an o lineman, Elliott has a possible suspension looming, we have no idea if Dak is really that good or another kaepernick/rg3/etc who bursts onto the scene and then cools off.  I'm not saying i.don't like Elliott - I'd probably take him 1.1 in any format.  

I'm not a fan of putting all your eggs in one basket and two really good pieces is pretty valuable. The back available at 5 will be a top 10 or 15 dynasty back almost by default and Thomas is already a top 10 dynasty receiver - and both pieces can appreciate in value a lot.  Elliott can't go up in value, only down. If Thomas improves on last year and cook/ Mixon/ mccaffrey/ whoever you take at 5 has a strong rookie year this will look like a very fair deal.

I'm not saying I'd snap accept it, but it's not as horrible as you guys are acting. 

Not horrible, but "if everything breaks perfectly it will be very fair" doesn't usually make for an even trade.  I wasn't gasping about it like some but it's a clear win for the side getting Zeke to me.

 

[bostonfred]

Not horrible, but "if everything breaks perfectly it will be very fair" doesn't usually make for an even trade.  I wasn't gasping about it like some but it's a clear win for the side getting Zeke to me.

Agree on all counts but I don't think everything has to break perfectly for it to be fair.  This trade could go the other way if Elliott gets suspended (he may), or has a bad injury (all your eggs in one basket) or Dak comes down to earth and Dak comes down a little with him (ask a kaepernick or rg3 owner if that's possible) or if Thomas really blows up (he's the number one guy, the touchdown guy, and the receiving corps isn't as deep so his targets ought to go up), or if the rookie rb at 1.5 ends up being a hit  (like Elliott this year or David Johnson the year before, or even like Howard, Gordon, Freeman) then that would be working out perfectly. Just doing what they're projected for or a little more would make this pretty close imo.

 

[Boone22]

Thomas was a wr1 as a rookie sharing targets with Cooks, now he's the main attraction.  1.5 should net me a top young running back. Elliott just had a monster year too, but Dallas already changed an o lineman, Elliott has a possible suspension looming, we have no idea if Dak is really that good or another kaepernick/rg3/etc who bursts onto the scene and then cools off.  I'm not saying i.don't like Elliott - I'd probably take him 1.1 in any format.  

I'm not a fan of putting all your eggs in one basket and two really good pieces is pretty valuable. The back available at 5 will be a top 10 or 15 dynasty back almost by default and Thomas is already a top 10 dynasty receiver - and both pieces can appreciate in value a lot.  Elliott can't go up in value, only down. If Thomas improves on last year and cook/ Mixon/ mccaffrey/ whoever you take at 5 has a strong rookie year this will look like a very fair deal.

I'm not saying I'd snap accept it, but it's not as horrible as you guys are acting. 

I traded Zeke a few pages back and got the following in return:

1.04, Dez Bryant, and Jay Ajayi

so personally I think this trade is a bit light. 

 

[Warhogs]

10 team PPR. 

Zeke

for

Michael Thomas and 2017 1.05

It seems a little light but there are many owners going the route of investing heavily in WR because it seems like a less volatile position and players last longer in that position.  I still favor Zeke in this deal personally.

 

[steelers1080]

I traded Zeke a few pages back and got the following in return:

1.04, Dez Bryant, and Jay Ajayi

so personally I think this trade is a bit light. 

But 1.05 and Michael Thomas > 1.04, Dez, Jay for some people.

Jay has a bad injury history and showed greatness in a very small sample size. Dez has gotten injured a lot the past couple years. Some people view Michael Thomas as a top 10 WR for the next 5-8 years.

In my league the Zeke owner turned down 1.04, Dez, Hyde, and 1.09.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Agree on all counts but I don't think everything has to break perfectly for it to be fair.  This trade could go the other way if Elliott gets suspended (he may), or has a bad injury (all your eggs in one basket) or Dak comes down to earth and Dak comes down a little with him (ask a kaepernick or rg3 owner if that's possible) or if Thomas really blows up (he's the number one guy, the touchdown guy, and the receiving corps isn't as deep so his targets ought to go up), or if the rookie rb at 1.5 ends up being a hit  (like Elliott this year or David Johnson the year before, or even like Howard, Gordon, Freeman) then that would be working out perfectly. Just doing what they're projected for or a little more would make this pretty close imo.

a lot of "what ifs".

We could play that game both ways. We've all seen rookie WRs burst on the scene and fade away quickly, what if that happens to Thomas? What if Thomas isn't as good when he doesn't have Cook drawing coverage? What if Drew Brees starts showing his age? What if the Saints move on from Brees and never find an adequate QB? What if Thomas gets hurt? What if the player drafted at 1.05 is a bust (not a stretch at all)?. ......

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Thomas was a wr1 as a rookie sharing targets with Cooks, now he's the main attraction.  1.5 should net me a top young running back. Elliott just had a monster year too, but Dallas already changed an o lineman, Elliott has a possible suspension looming, we have no idea if Dak is really that good or another kaepernick/rg3/etc who bursts onto the scene and then cools off.  I'm not saying i.don't like Elliott - I'd probably take him 1.1 in any format.  

I'm not a fan of putting all your eggs in one basket and two really good pieces is pretty valuable. The back available at 5 will be a top 10 or 15 dynasty back almost by default and Thomas is already a top 10 dynasty receiver - and both pieces can appreciate in value a lot.  Elliott can't go up in value, only down. If Thomas improves on last year and cook/ Mixon/ mccaffrey/ whoever you take at 5 has a strong rookie year this will look like a very fair deal.

I'm not saying I'd snap accept it, but it's not as horrible as you guys are acting. 

and since when did getting the best player in the deal become "putting all your eggs in one basket?"

I don't think this was a horrible deal either (although I'd surely take Zeke), but you seem to be doing a lot of work to try and show how it could work out for the other side, which ought to tell you something. It's easy to create scenarios where things can go wrong for a player - and of course it's possible Zeke falls apart - but we really have to work with what we have and Dallas still has the best o-line in the league, and Elliot showed to be a talented back. If he does collapse it will not be all that foreseeable.

 

[bostonfred]

a lot of "what ifs".

We could play that game both ways. We've all seen rookie WRs burst on the scene and fade away quickly, what if that happens to Thomas? What if Thomas isn't as good when he doesn't have Cook drawing coverage? What if Drew Brees starts showing his age? What if the Saints move on from Brees and never find an adequate QB? What if Thomas gets hurt? What if the player drafted at 1.05 is a bust (not a stretch at all)?. ......

You're responding to the wrong thing.  

I posted that I thought it was closer than people here seemed to think. Player 2 for players 15 and 38 I think in our community mock.  Not great but not horrible, especially if you would have taken Thomas earlier than 15 (I have him ahead of guys like ty Hilton for example) 

FreeBaGe replied like you did - if everything has to work perfectly to be even it's a bad trade.  I.agree with that sentiment and I also said I'd take Elliott. 

Then I posted the part you quoted. Perfectly would be you trade Elliott for two studs before he blows an ACL. Perfectly would be you take Dalvin cook at 1.5 and he really is th he best back in this class, and you got Thomas for free.  Perfect is Thomas takes the next step forward and becomes a top 5 wr. If one of those things happens this will be a clear win for the Thomas side.  

Things don't have to go perfect for the thomas side to win the deal.  But it's easier for the Elliott side to win.  So I'd take the Elliott side but it's closer for me than the early consensus. 

 

[Arodin]

The best trades are the ones everyone agrees are outrageously unfair...

...but then can't agree on which side is making off with the steal.

 

[bostonfred]

and since when did getting the best player in the deal become "putting all your eggs in one basket?"

I generally believe that trading for the current number one guy is a mistake, especially at running back.  Name a perennial stud rb. There's aren't many.  Guys have ups and downs in their careers. They get hurt. The offense changes.  Things happen. 

Elliott probably just had one of the best years of his career. He might exceed it.   He probably won't do it every year. Do you remember lesean mccoy as a perennial stud rb? He had a couple down years and was left for dead. Jamaal Charles?   He had 4 elite years and 1 decent one in 9 years. Leveon bell?  1268/8, 2325/11, 732/3 and 1884/9.  

If you have a deep team of very good players you will have more guys peaking in any given season than if you have a bunch of scrubs and a couple true studs. That doesn't mean never consolidate, but trading for the top players means buying high (you can't be buying low)  and giving up multiple big pieces.  Pretty much the definition of putting all your eggs in one basket. 

 

[Boone22]

But 1.05 and Michael Thomas > 1.04, Dez, Jay for some people.

Jay has a bad injury history and showed greatness in a very small sample size. Dez has gotten injured a lot the past couple years. Some people view Michael Thomas as a top 10 WR for the next 5-8 years.

In my league the Zeke owner turned down 1.04, Dez, Hyde, and 1.09.

Wait. So Ajayi showed greatness in a small sample size but Michael Thomas is a sure fire top 10 Fantasy WR?  Last time I checked they both played roughly the same number of games last year...

in the FBG poll, Dez and Thomas went within 2 spots on each other.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Wait. So Ajayi showed greatness in a small sample size but Michael Thomas is a sure fire top 10 Fantasy WR?  Last time I checked they both played roughly the same number of games last year...

in the FBG poll, Dez and Thomas went within 2 spots on each other.

Fwiw I believe the FBG poll was before Cooks was traded. His ADP seems to have risen a bit since then. 

 

[One More Rep]

10 team PPR. 

Zeke

for

Michael Thomas and 2017 1.05

Zeke for me but close enough I guess

 

[One More Rep]

10-team, non-ppr

2017 Pick 16, Ladarius Green, Rex Burkhead

for

2018 1st Round Pick

Pick

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I generally believe that trading for the current number one guy is a mistake, especially at running back.  Name a perennial stud rb. There's aren't many.  Guys have ups and downs in their careers. They get hurt. The offense changes.  Things happen. 

Elliott probably just had one of the best years of his career. He might exceed it.   He probably won't do it every year. Do you remember lesean mccoy as a perennial stud rb? He had a couple down years and was left for dead. Jamaal Charles?   He had 4 elite years and 1 decent one in 9 years. Leveon bell?  1268/8, 2325/11, 732/3 and 1884/9.  

If you have a deep team of very good players you will have more guys peaking in any given season than if you have a bunch of scrubs and a couple true studs. That doesn't mean never consolidate, but trading for the top players means buying high (you can't be buying low)  and giving up multiple big pieces.  Pretty much the definition of putting all your eggs in one basket. 

But its not buying high when the other side was two nice pieces that didnt quite add up to his value.