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I like your optimism, but no, those 4 moves won't free up nearly that much space. Those four players currently combine for a $61.841MM cap hit. Cutting JT and James will save $13.941MM. But Suh and Tannehill will still be on the team and their cap hits will be significant. Restructuring won't be able to reduce their cap hits from $45.9MM down to less than a third of that. And whatever they do will just make their 2019 situation worse.
Do you see any you could trade for a 1st, that happen to score within a PPG or so of Doyle? That's what it's all about for me - to hell with everything else, value is value. I'll worry about surplus and need and lining those up later. Trading in February, give me the bargain.barackdhouse said:
I actually think he's a great option there. They don't know what they have at TE yet and they need a chain-mover. They had a ton of three and outs because no one could convert a 3rd and 5. Kizer's a big part of that but guys getting open and holding the ball was too.FF Ninja said:I dunno. It's a violent game and guys tend to take a lot less per year when they can get more guaranteed. Plus, Landry seems to really want out of Miami.
I wouldif Cleveland traded for him. They've got Gordon and Coleman with Njoku. They don't need to be throwing the ball to the slot guy very much.
He's not really a first down specialist. I think he's actually got one of the lowest 1st downs per reception rate in the league. As for the Browns, a large part of the problem last year was raw QB, raw TE, Coleman was hurt, and Gordon was not playing. I mean, if they're not going to use the money then sure, throw some at Landry, but I don't think Landry is better than Coleman. If Coleman can stay healthy, they could use him for short passes. Sure, he's good as a deep threat but he's dangerous with the ball in his hands, too. He was going in the first round even if Cleveland didn't take him.
Agreed, that $50-$60M was a big overstatement, but they can easily clear enough to fit that franchise tag in. Lawrence Timmons will be a goner in addition to Thomas & James which is $20M right there. Tannehill's contract can be restructured if they want.FF Ninja said:
Yeah, I did not mean to imply that they would not be able to fit the franchise tag at all. I just meant that it would be hell for them, given their situation. They either defer some of that hell to next year or mostly sit out free agency so they can afford to sign their rookies. This is not a team without needs, so tying up $16MM at this point would be crippling to their free agent efforts.
But "later" is barely more than two months from now. We have to make our cuts by the end of the NFL draft. April 28th. I'm going to blink and that date will be here.
I think its $17M in base salary this year going up to $19M the next two years, with a $9.1M pro-rated signing bonus hit every year. Something like the 11th highest base salary in the league and 4th highest non-QB. IIRC, at the time he signed it, it was the highest paid defensive player in the league and highest non-QB.
Timmons is guaranteed $4.5M out of a $5.45M salary and eating another $2.75M dead money. I doubt they are cutting him, but they could trade the $4.5M back to PIT.
I like Woods and the pick upgrade here. Heck, I think I’d take Woods over McCoy without the picks. Woods is in a hot offense that I think everyone is going to want a piece of in the next couple years. McCoy is getting older and only has a couple years left in the tank.
Interesting trade...would go with Julio and Cooks as I see Thomas being a distant 4th of this group of WRs...
Same and for same main reason which is how lightly I value Thomas. Huge updgrade in next few years for Julio/Cooks side. After next few years I'd think I"d rather have Evans side, after Julio falls off, but trying to predict an outcome and player value a few years down the road vs just obtaining what I think is a 90%+ chance of upgrade over next few years while not getting older is the way I'd rather go.
It was an easily missed development, but Timmons guarantee's went out the window when he went off the reservation at the beginning of last season going AWOL the night before the 2nd game. He lost the guarantee on his 2018 salary as part of his punishment, that and the fact he was a non-factor the second half of the season means he is likely getting cut.
Good catch, spotrac doesn't have that update. The dead money hit is still there, so I wonder if the $5.4M is enough reason to let him go. He played pretty well once he got his head right, didn't he?
You guys should make him pay a few years in advance because he'll get sick of losing soon and leave a crap team behind.
But they probably kept the pick(s) and built around guys like Zeke and Fournette. It surely can be done - but I think a guy making a move like that is probably not going to turn things around quickly.
Well there's no discernable difference between those guys coming into the league and DJ if we're talking about a 2-3 year window. Though yes one guy did get Zeke to go along with his Gurley (
) though the other did not.
I guess I'm equating it to a similar trade I saw in one of my leagues. The guy who earned the 1.01, traded the 1.01, 3.01, 4.01 and 5.01 for LeVeon Bell. His team is quite bad and I just thought he'd be way better off keeping Barkley or better yet trading him for a collection of players picks. His team will be Goff/Dalton-Bell-McCaffrey-Ja. Williams-Crowder-Lee-Ginn-Fleener, so maybe my perception is a little skewed.Well there's no discernable difference between those guys coming into the league and DJ if we're talking about a 2-3 year window. Though yes one guy did get Zeke to go along with his Gurley (
I agree I would take Barkley easily in this guy's scenario, but I do think a lot of people overreact to how long a rebuild should take and assume that if you weren't a contender last year you shouldn't be bothering with anyone older than 22 (hyperbole, but you get what I'm saying). If you have a stud RB if that's what he believes DJ still is then it doesn't take much more than a few lucky waiver hits or sudden turnarounds (Gurley) to turn a team from doormat to contender.
Here it is in all its glory. 12-team PPR. Start 1QB, 1RB, 3WR, 1TE, 1 Flex
Teams like that should be trading the 1.01 for multiple picks/players not a 26/27 year old RB. Even if DJ is the best back in the league this season, what good does that do him? I guess he can trade him in season for a 2019 first round pick.
Yeah, some people are already mad about the trade. I agree it's not a great move for him, but heck, if he can somehow get a couple more pieces, he could be a contender pretty quicly with DJ.Teams like that should be trading the 1.01 for multiple picks/players not a 26/27 year old RB. Even if DJ is the best back in the league this season, what good does that do him? I guess he can trade him in season for a 2019 first round pick.
This is the kind of trade the pisses off the rest of the league, I'm sure. Not that Kutta shouldn't have taken it - he should and I absolutely would have - but it's bad for league balance when one team keeps making awful roster decisions.Teams like that should be trading the 1.01 for multiple picks/players not a 26/27 year old RB. Even if DJ is the best back in the league this season, what good does that do him? I guess he can trade him in season for a 2019 first round pick.
I'm sure he can trade "Playoff" Danny Amendola for Julio Jones and Gronk, Chris Ivory and Cole Beasley for Le'Veon Bell and package Kearse, Benjamin and Witten for Tyreke Hill and Kareem Hunt and get in the mix for the trophy.
He also would have been better off doing nothing and picking Barkley at 1.01 and the BPA at 2.01.
I dont disagree. Just saying, IF youre intent on trading the 1.01, and your team looks like his does.....
I don't disagree with you guys that it was a bad trade for him and if it were me I would have gone the opposite direction, but many look at how far off the deep end the dynasty consensus has gone. A 26 year old player provides "nothing for the future".
Well he'll be 27 by season's end, but I agree the dynasty landscape writes guys off too soon and it's getting worse and worse. I'm really just commenting on this particular trade. Things can change fast, yes - but a bad team is just better off going with the youth here. The odds are by the time that team can compete Barkely will be the more valuable player.
I agree with you in theory, but just don't see an avenue for that roster to rebound in the next couple years. Especially in established, 4+ year old leagues, you need to be a lot better than average to have a legitimate shot.
I'm just saying that DJ is such a force, and between him and Brees he may end up being competitive with a couple breaks. But yes, I agree this was not a good move for him.
my thinking is this, in regard to my statement of "nothing for the future"
I agree with most of this, but the "lot of miles" comment is misleading. DJ has only played 2 years, one as a full-time starter. He really doesn't have many miles on him at all at this point.
This is a pretty out there point. If Barkley hits no one in any real league is sitting him on their bench. That person is getting kicked out of the league. It's not a real point.
You're kind of making my point here. What does he do with DJ? Play him and try to win a championship. His team looks like garbage but so did a team that was rolling out Alex Smith, Marvin Jones, Adam Thielen, Dion Lewis, Duke Johnson, and Mark Ingram last year and whoops, that's probably a championship roster right there especially if you add an elite RB like DJ to it.
Are they? Or are we just spoiled by the recent run of top rookie RBs paying off? Historically, the odds are probably closer to Barkley being a borderline fantasy bench player 3 years from now. Are we letting ourselves subconsciously overrate the likelihood of a top RB prospect obviously becoming a top fantasy player the same way a few years ago everyone was overrating the likelihood of a 1st round WR becoming a 10 year cornerstone because of a short stretch of success?
I agree with you. This trade was a lot harder for me to pull the trigger on than people in my league seem to think. DJ is an absolute stud, and if he would have played this year, I suspect a lot of people wouldn't make that trade. Everyone forgets just how good he really was last year.
Not recent history, recent history suggests not much safer then a top 10 drafted RB and really there is not much safer than a RB who catches passes.
This could go both ways though. I can just as easily say let’s look at the players that had one good season during their first starting year (like say Doug Martin or Trent Richardson) and then fell apart. I don’t think Johnson will, but he could.
See if I was you, it wouldn’t have been an easy accept either. Johnson could go on to have 5 more great seasons. My main beef is from the perspective of your trade partner. It was a bad trade for him - that doesn’t necessarily make it a great trade for you. I think it was, but we don’t really know that. It’s just hard to see it being a win for him unless some very strange things happen.
