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****OFFICIAL DYNASTY TRADES**** (36 Viewers)
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Streetduck
Footballguy
Matt's Eagles
Footballguy
12 Team PPR TE yardage bonus
Team A got Wilson, Russell SEA QB;Henry, Derrick TEN RB;Adams, Davante GBP WR;Njoku, David CLE TE;Walker, Delanie TEN TE; Year 2018 Draft Pick 1.08;Year 2018 Draft Pick 4.05; Year 2019 Round 2 Draft Pick;Year 2019 Round 3 Draft Pick
Team B got Wentz, Carson PHI QB;Hunt, Kareem KCC RB;Graham, Jimmy GBP TE; Year 2018 Draft Pick 1.04;Year 2018 Draft Pick 2.07; Year 2019 Round 1 Draft Pick
Team A got Wilson, Russell SEA QB;Henry, Derrick TEN RB;Adams, Davante GBP WR;Njoku, David CLE TE;Walker, Delanie TEN TE; Year 2018 Draft Pick 1.08;Year 2018 Draft Pick 4.05; Year 2019 Round 2 Draft Pick;Year 2019 Round 3 Draft Pick
Team B got Wentz, Carson PHI QB;Hunt, Kareem KCC RB;Graham, Jimmy GBP TE; Year 2018 Draft Pick 1.04;Year 2018 Draft Pick 2.07; Year 2019 Round 1 Draft Pick
joey
Footballguy
Not sure why the 1.4 and 2019 1st are Wentz/Hunt side. Are the TEs in the other side that good in a TE yardage bonus league? (I don’t play in that format)
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Wentz = Wilson
Hunt = Adams
1.04 + 2.07 = 1.08 plus Njoku
Graham = Walker + 2019 3rd + 4.05
2019 1st vs 2019 2nd
This is as rough an estimate as I could get and it looks to me like the Hunt/Wentz/1.04/2019 1st side wins here.
Many will argue that Hunt is worth more than Adams by a wide margin. I'm pretty big on him. And I love Hunt.
jeaton6
Footballguy
Here’s where I’m at:
Wilson=Wentz
Henry=1.4
Adams+1.8=Hunt
Njoku/Walker/4.5/2019 3=Graham, 2.7
2019 2<2019 1
You forgot Henry so I think that means you would take that side once including him.
jeaton6
Footballguy
Snorkelson
Footballguy
Risky now, shouldn’t cost more in 2 weeks when the draft is over, but could cost way less. Bold move jeaton, let’s see how it plays out.
jeaton6
Footballguy
Yeah no doubt bold.Way I saw it was if no one signs then Drake>Ingram value wise and given I have Cousins who is Lucks age I wanted to get a potential elite guy in Watson. Love Luck but he has a long way to go to restore his value. Ingram will be 29 at end of season so his value likely to plummet after this year. I can’t imagine getting this deal done if Drake survives Anderson and the draft.
My Team could be a train wreck after this year so wanted to reload a bit.
Watson/Cousins
Freeman/Drake/Lewis/Anderson
Hill/Baldwin/DT/Crabtree/Fitz/Jordy/Goodwin/ Wallace/Trent Taylor
Olsen/Graham/Doyle
2 2018 1’s
jeaton6
Footballguy
12 Team PPR: All same League. Not involved
Team A: 1.1, 2.1, 4.7, Dak
Team B: Evans, Ajayi
Team C: Tate, 5.11
Team D: Golladay, Burton, 4.5
Team C: Doyle, 2019 4
Team E: Pryor, 3.7
Team C: AJG, Golladay, 2.5, 3.7, 4.5
Team F: Jordan Howard, Marvin, Parker, 3.1, 5.6
All in all Team C:
Gave: AJG, Tate, Doyle, 2.5, 5.11, 2019 4
Got: Jordan Howard, Marvin, Parker, Burton, Pryor, 3.1, 5.6
Team A: 1.1, 2.1, 4.7, Dak
Team B: Evans, Ajayi
Team C: Tate, 5.11
Team D: Golladay, Burton, 4.5
Team C: Doyle, 2019 4
Team E: Pryor, 3.7
Team C: AJG, Golladay, 2.5, 3.7, 4.5
Team F: Jordan Howard, Marvin, Parker, 3.1, 5.6
All in all Team C:
Gave: AJG, Tate, Doyle, 2.5, 5.11, 2019 4
Got: Jordan Howard, Marvin, Parker, Burton, Pryor, 3.1, 5.6
-OZ-
Footballguy
A
D, fair
C
Close. Think F if Marvin Jones and the bears don't draft a RB
I think I like the collective moves but seems rather lateral.
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barackdhouse
Footballguy
barackdhouse
Footballguy
12 team PPR TE premium
Team A gives Sammy Watkins, 1.02, 1.12, 2019 1st
Team B gives Kareem Hunt, 1.05, 2.07, 2019 2nd.
Team A gives Sammy Watkins, 1.02, 1.12, 2019 1st
Team B gives Kareem Hunt, 1.05, 2.07, 2019 2nd.
-OZ-
Footballguy
Watkins and the firsts pretty easily
2 is worth a little less than Hunt
5 is roughly equal to Watkins, probably a bit more.
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barackdhouse
Footballguy
I wasn't involved in this one but I would take the Hunt side.
Hunt = 1.02
1.05 = Watkins plus 2019 1st
2.07 and 2019 2nd = 1.12
-OZ-
Footballguy
joey
Footballguy
jeaton6 said:
no. I see it similarly to your breakdown where the 2019 2nd < 2019 1st, and I don't have a high view of Henry, so I guess he's < 1.04 to me.
I also see Hunt > Adams + 1.08. That's why I think the 2019 1st and the 1.04 are shifting the balance of that trade too much from my pov.
Matt's Eagles
Footballguy
Team A got Green, A.J. CIN WR;Matthews, Jordan NEP WR;Westbrook, Dede JAC WR
Team B got Adams, Davante GBP WR; Year 2018 Draft Pick 2.10
Team B got Adams, Davante GBP WR; Year 2018 Draft Pick 2.10
Concept Coop
Footballguy
Hunt is clearly the best part, IMO, so I'm taking that side.
I'd trade Sammy and the 1.02 for Hunt, personally. The rest works out in favor of the 1.05.
Matt's Eagles
Footballguy
12 team PPR
Team A got Juju
Team B got Mixon, 2,7, 3.5
Team A got Juju
Team B got Mixon, 2,7, 3.5
Concept Coop
Footballguy
I really like Juju, but would take a chance on Mixon here. Those picks are more valuable this year than most.
Blick
Footballguy
Really? I see it as fair at best. For me to give JuJu for Mixon, I'd probably need at least a mid second to square up the deal.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Interesting that some are so quick to just write off Hunt as equal or similar to the 1.02 when there is about a round and a half between them in start-up drafts, which in my experience is a very substantial amount.
I am with @Concept Coop here, Hunt > 1.02 by a pretty fair amount.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Ditto. I'll take the guy who actually looked like the next big superstar over the guy who looked like a poor man's Gio Bernard.
JPeso
Footballguy
Start-up drafts after the NFL Draft will correct that. Always the case between January - April that rookies are lower on start-up ADP and then slowly rise as off-season progresses. I'd personally take the 1.2 over Hunt in a heartbeat.
JPeso
Footballguy
I'd need this to deal JuJu, looks like a win-win depending on team needs. If I don't have a great RB2, I'd go with Mixon given the picks.
NeverEnough
Footballguy
Adams
I own both Adams & AJG in 1 league & would love to move AJG for an Adams caliber player.
-OZ-
Footballguy
I was higher on Hunt than many last year but he's not as good a prospect as Guice. Obviously situations matter, so the comparison could change if the destination isn't good.
You're right about the current values, I was thrilled to get the 1.02 at 3.09 in an ongoing draft. Hunt went 2.01. but I don't know if I'd swap right now.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
In most cases, yes. But not always at the top. Guice is on a pretty stable tier of his own, in terms of rankings and ADP. His landing spot could push him up or down, but I don't see him getting the bump that the typical rookie will. Same for Barkley. Fournette was an example of this.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
The only difference between Guice and Hunt as prospects was their standing coming out of high school. Hunt would have dominated at LSU and been exactly where Guice is now, if given the opportunity. On top of that, Hunt offers more PPR upside and is in an ideal situation. IMO, moving Hunt for Guice is like moving MIchael Thomas for Mike Williams a year ago, or Juju for Sutton now.
I was higher on Hunt than many last year but he's not as good a prospect as Guice. Obviously situations matter, so the comparison could change if the destination isn't good.
You're right about the current values, I was thrilled to get the 1.02 at 3.09 in an ongoing draft. Hunt went 2.01. but I don't know if I'd swap right now.
-OZ-
Footballguy
You don't know that, and the NFL teams didn't appear to share your opinion. Like I said though, I liked Hunt a fair bit heading into the draft.
I might be overestimating the impact of moving from Smith to Mahomes and adding Watkins but I don't think hunt gets as many receptions next year.
I certainly wouldn't fault anyone for preferring Hunt.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
We don't know what NFL teams think today. We think they like Guice more than they did Hunt at the time. My argument is that that's based in large part on Guice coming from a power 5 school, while Hunt was at Toledo. I think that's a perfectly reasonable practice, but once a guy does it against NFL competition, it's no longer applicable.
Reid said he wants Hunt more involved in the passing game. And whether he hits 50 receptions or not, he's clearly a safer projection for receiving production than Guice.
Of course time will tell, and I certainly think it's possible that Guice has the better career. But taking Guice over Hunt today just feels like a bad gamble to me. According to this, RBs drafted in the top 3 of rookie drafts have a 50% chance of putting up 1x top 12 season in their first 5 years in the league. Hunt did it as a rookie and looked really good in the process.
Just my opinion, of course. And I do like Guice,
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Same, where are these people paying up for AJG? Best offer I have received was the 1.06 plus some roster trash. Most offers I have received have been way worse than that.
Boston
Footballguy
There is no reason to gamble here...Hunt just had close to 1,800 total yards, 11 TDs and 50+ receptions as a rookie coming out of a mid-major conference...he is currently 22 and in an excellent offense...why get greedy...Guice is a very good prospect but if he had a year like Hunt did you would be ecstatic...if he busts you have dealt a foundation player just to chase a shiny new toy...just sit tight and enjoy what you have...
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Agreed, I like Guice a lot but he has questions about his usage in the passing game (not that I am overly worried about them), we don't know his landing spot for another week, plus just the whole rookies bust at a pretty high rate thing that many people forget this type of year when those rookie picks are giving them wet dreams at night. Hunt just led the league in rushing and caught over 50 balls in 15 games as a rookie. Obviously there are a few questions like Mahomes taking over, Reid being frustrating with his play-calling for stretches, but you can say there are questions with every existing player.
Today I got Hunt over the 1.2, that could change after the draft but knowing what I know today I give him the edge on the 1.2.
Sammy is not really close to the 1.5, but I can see Sammy and 12 being in range of the 1.5. I'd rather have 1.5, but in range.
Without knowing more details a future first beats 2.7 and a mid second.
All all in I give slight edge to side getting Hunt, with picks 2 and 5 being the second and the third most valuable parts of this deal it's possible I'd look at this differently in about a week but right now I'd rather be on the Hunt side.
Tau837
Footballguy
Was offered Juju, Clement, and 2.10 for Mixon today in a 12 team PPR league. Easy decline.
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
JPeso
Footballguy
-OZ-
Footballguy
I think I'd give the 1.09 (def not two firsts) but that's probably going to be close once we see where the rookies land, especially Goedert. And (unlike Hunt) it's not like njoku lit it up as a rookie or proved he can play at a high level in the NFL.
bostonfred
Footballguy
I'm tempted to buy low but I agree an early second isn't even low anymore. I think a random 2019 second is a worthwhile gamble.
Zyphros
Footballguy
That's the Browns effect. He actually did kind of light it up for the Browns though. He was 3rd on the team in receptions (by 1 catch, 32 to Devalve's 33), 3rd in yards (again right behind Devalve by 9 yards) and lead the team in TD's. The leader on the team? Duke Johnson... Now that's not to say he was a breakout but he showed really well for a rookie TE I'd say and I think everyone assumes Tyrod is better than any QB they've had for the past 5 years right? That said I wouldn't give up 2 late 1sts for him. Last time I did that was for Ebron and I've been regretting that for years. I'd happily give 1.09 and a 2nd or a throw in type of guy though.
wakelawyer
Footballguy
Very similar to what I did. I just sold him for what is virtually guaranteed to be a late 2019 1st. I had wanted to get more and think that he's probably worth more but no one is offering anything for him right now. I'd be surprised if you had even 2 owners in a 12-team league that would even think about bringing him on for an early 2nd -- not because of value necessarily but because people have moved on and don't want to roster him. So I think that you got a good deal for Dez if you're looking to move on. And if you want Dez you might find that the owner could be tempted if you dangled a mid 2nd round pick in front of them.
