****OFFICIAL DYNASTY TRADES**** (26 Viewers)

[-OZ-]

That's the Browns effect.  He actually did kind of light it up for the Browns though.  He was 3rd on the team in receptions (by 1 catch, 32 to Devalve's 33), 3rd in yards (again right behind Devalve by 9 yards) and lead the team in TD's.  The leader on the team?  Duke Johnson... Now that's not to say he was a breakout but he showed really well for a rookie TE I'd say and I think everyone assumes Tyrod is better than any QB they've had for the past 5 years right?  That said I wouldn't give up 2 late 1sts for him.  Last time I did that was for Ebron and I've been regretting that for years.  I'd happily give 1.09 and a 2nd or a throw in type of guy though. 

Fair points. And I actually like Njoku for his raw physical ability. But I'm not ready to call his rookie year overly successful. Especially as you said, he had fewer receptions and yards than Seth Devalve.

 

[menobrown]

12 team, PPR

Gave:

McCaffrey, 1.7, Jamaal Williams, Crabtree

Got:

Antonio Brown

Not sure how this looks to people in a vacuum but CMC was the teams #6 RB. Williams the teams #7RB but he was going to get cut or traded in next 10 days and so far efforts to get so much as a late second were not working out.  Team has a ton of talent at WR but needed a surefire #1.

 

[barackdhouse]

12 team, PPR

Gave:

McCaffrey, 1.7, Jamaal Williams, Crabtree

Got:

Antonio Brown

Not sure how this looks to people in a vacuum but CMC was the teams #6 RB. Williams the teams #7RB but he was going to get cut or traded in next 10 days and so far efforts to get so much as a late second were not working out.  Team has a ton of talent at WR but needed a surefire #1.

I feel this is cheap for Brown. I've seen a few trades lately I thought were cheap for him. Makes me want to try and buy. If McCaffery were named Hunt or Kamara then maybe. I know Brown and Ben won't be together much longer but I thought Ben said he was in for 3 more years. If so then I see no reason Brown isn't still the WR1. 

Note, if I'm wrong about Ben I would still want more to move Brown. Especially to a team that is supposedly stacked. I'd rather keep him rostered until the wheels fall off. I see zero decline in Brown's game. 

 

[Concept Coop]

12 team, PPR

Gave:

McCaffrey, 1.7, Jamaal Williams, Crabtree

Got:

Antonio Brown

Not sure how this looks to people in a vacuum but CMC was the teams #6 RB. Williams the teams #7RB but he was going to get cut or traded in next 10 days and so far efforts to get so much as a late second were not working out.  Team has a ton of talent at WR but needed a surefire #1.

Brown by a lot. 

 

[ghostguy123]

12 team, PPR

Gave:

McCaffrey, 1.7, Jamaal Williams, Crabtree

Got:

Antonio Brown

Not sure how this looks to people in a vacuum but CMC was the teams #6 RB. Williams the teams #7RB but he was going to get cut or traded in next 10 days and so far efforts to get so much as a late second were not working out.  Team has a ton of talent at WR but needed a surefire #1.

Value is on the Brown side.  Not by a ton but seems somewhat obvious.

Knowing what I know about the team getting Brown, Mccaffrey would have barely been in the lineup, and Brown will score 150-200 more than who he woulda had in there.

Kind of deal the other 10 guys in the league will hate.

 

[menobrown]

I feel this is cheap for Brown. I've seen a few trades lately I thought were cheap for him. Makes me want to try and buy. If McCaffery were named Hunt or Kamara then maybe. I know Brown and Ben won't be together much longer but I thought Ben said he was in for 3 more years. If so then I see no reason Brown isn't still the WR1. 

Note, if I'm wrong about Ben I would still want more to move Brown. Especially to a team that is supposedly stacked. I'd rather keep him rostered until the wheels fall off. I see zero decline in Brown's game. 

The team has Hunt and Kamara, it actually has or had the top 6 rookie RB's from last year and we'd not have done the trade if we had to give one of the other top 6 RB's.

 

[menobrown]

Value is on the Brown side.  Not by a ton but seems somewhat obvious.

Knowing what I know about the team getting Brown, Mccaffrey would have barely been in the lineup, and Brown will score 150-200 more than who he woulda had in there.

Kind of deal the other 10 guys in the league will hate.

Correct on both

 

[Tejas]

Picks - would not pay two 1sts for Njoku despite his flashing. 

@JPeso Usually agree with your views on trades, but thought this was a great deal for the team acquiring Njoku. TE premium he could be unattainable this time next season. Finally has a QB who targets TE’s, kid is only 21 with an athletic profile second to none. 1.9 is a solid player, but a reach with this TE class, next years late 1st round again would be a reach. 

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Zealots PPR IDP

Gave: 2019 1st

Got: 2018 1.10

I figured, when am I going to be in Haiti again? And also, I think having a pick from this year might make it easier to move up than next year's would. 

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Zealots PPR IDP

Gave: 2019 1st

Got: 2018 2.10

I figured, when am I going to be in Haiti again? And also, I think having a pick from this year might make it easier to move up than next year's would. 

1.10?

 

[bostonfred]

1.10 > 2019 first >>> 2.10

 

[menobrown]

1.10 > 2019 first >>> 2.10

Depends how that  2019 first is projected for me.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

1.10?

Oops. Yes, thanks.

Stupid fat thumbs.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Depends how that  2019 first is projected for me.

Should be late. I was #2 seed this year and the league will switch to PPR which should make my team even better.

 

[menobrown]

Should be late. I was #2 seed this year and the league will switch to PPR which should make my team even better.

In such a case I'd take the 1.10.

 

[Dez]

Early 2nd.  Dez hasn't been good for 4 years and he's 30.

Really ?  4 years ago = 2014 Dez was pretty good but I guess 88 catches, 1320 yards and 16 TD's suck.  2015 injured.  2016 actually was one of the best WR's in the league coming back from injury from weeks like 10-16 including a monster week 16 performance that won me many championships.  

2017 yes he was not good so he has not been good for 1 year and has been injured for parts of the other 2 years is more accurate.

Maybe he is done.  I can't say for sure or maybe Dak wasn't Tony Romoing him the ball in the right spots.

Many thought Randy Moss and Brandon Marshall were done they bounced back with some huge seasons.  Will Dez ?  who knows but I would take that shot for a 2019 2nd.

I love how when people trade for picks they always know they are "early" 2nds or 1sts and when they trade them away they always know their team is the bomb so they are trading away late 1sts.......as if injuries and underperfomances never happen for teams and we know exactly where those future picks are going to fall.

 

[Hankmoody]

The only difference between Guice and Hunt as prospects was their standing coming out of high school. Hunt would have dominated at LSU and been exactly where Guice is now, if given the opportunity. On top of that, Hunt offers more PPR upside and is in an ideal situation. IMO, moving Hunt for Guice is like moving MIchael Thomas for Mike Williams a year ago, or Juju for Sutton now. 

I think it's more like moving Jeremy Hill for Melvin Gordon after Hill's rookie season.  Hill was a late 2nd pick but didn't have the elite physical profile that Gordon did, just like Hunt and Guice now.  Hill got into a great situation, as Hill did, but there was concern over how much of it he would maintain when Bernard came back.  Turns out Hill wasn't very good and while I don't expect that level of regression from Hunt, there's certainly a level of risk involved.  I would move Hunt for 1.02 and while I would play up the angle you are presenting here to try to get more from the perceived value, if push came to shove and the pick was OTC I would move Hunt straight up for it as I've found that once an owner actually has a drafted player on their roster his price tag immediately takes a significant jump.

 

[Hankmoody]

12 team, PPR

Gave:

McCaffrey, 1.7, Jamaal Williams, Crabtree

Got:

Antonio Brown

Not sure how this looks to people in a vacuum but CMC was the teams #6 RB. Williams the teams #7RB but he was going to get cut or traded in next 10 days and so far efforts to get so much as a late second were not working out.  Team has a ton of talent at WR but needed a surefire #1.

If I were rebuilding I'd take that for AB.  I'd be mad about it, but I wouldn't risk someone else not ponying up what he's really worth and then something happening to Big Ben or just a slight downtick in AB's production and all of a sudden you are beseiged with the stories of AB's demise in every trade discussion you ever have again.

 

[ghostguy123]

If I were rebuilding I'd take that for AB.  I'd be mad about it, but I wouldn't risk someone else not ponying up what he's really worth and then something happening to Big Ben or just a slight downtick in AB's production and all of a sudden you are beseiged with the stories of AB's demise in every trade discussion you ever have again.

Not in April though.  

 

[jeaton6]

14 Team Start-Up PPR: Some Trades that happened during ongoing draft

Gave: 1.10, 7.10 (while OTC)

Got: 2.6, 3.7, 2018 1.14 Rookie

Gave: 6.5

Got: 11.7, 2019 1

Gave:  3.7, 1.14 Rookie & 2.14 Rookie (While OTC)

Got:  3.14, 1.5 Rookie

Gave: 3.14 (Gronk, Engram, Alshon, Tevin, Ajayi, Hyde, Watkins, Tate, All QBs Available), 8.5, 10.5

Got: 2018 1.6 Rookie, 2019 1, 2019 2, 8.13, 10.13.

Will post the picks later to see if this changes sentiment.

 

[Snorkelson]

Zealots PPR IDP

Gave: 2019 1st

Got: 2018 1.10

I figured, when am I going to be in Haiti again? And also, I think having a pick from this year might make it easier to move up than next year's would. 

I gave the 1.10 for a random 2019 1st. Not in this trade, but somewhere else. If I thought it was a lock playoff team I wouldn’t have done it, but armed with 3 1sts and not really needing wr I figured I’d take my chances that the owner is on the outside looking in. Also believe the “weak” 2019 class will have some decent talent when we see the 2018 tape. 

 

[Buckna]

I think it's more like moving Jeremy Hill for Melvin Gordon after Hill's rookie season.  Hill was a late 2nd pick but didn't have the elite physical profile that Gordon did, just like Hunt and Guice now.  Hill got into a great situation, as Hill did, but there was concern over how much of it he would maintain when Bernard came back.  Turns out Hill wasn't very good and while I don't expect that level of regression from Hunt, there's certainly a level of risk involved.  I would move Hunt for 1.02 and while I would play up the angle you are presenting here to try to get more from the perceived value, if push came to shove and the pick was OTC I would move Hunt straight up for it as I've found that once an owner actually has a drafted player on their roster his price tag immediately takes a significant jump.

Eh, Hunt vs the 1.02 has been hashed out for pages in the Dynasty Value thread last month, but in this statement I don't really see much comparison except 40 time (of which Hunt was slightly faster.) And that one guy went to LSU and got the benefit of their program and expertise in the lead up to the draft and the other guy went to Toledo and was clocked as one of the fastest players on an actual NFL field this past year despite his slow combine 40. Hill was a north-south power runner who can't catch with little vision or elusiveness and who had a former 1st round RB to contend with that excelled on the field but could never stay healthy. Pretty much the exact opposite of Hunt in style and in situation. About the only other comparison I see is they both had good fantasy rookie years, which fits your narrative of a 2nd year RB that declined in value.

I like Guice but he has an elite physical profile? That's news to me. He had a very good 40 time but a lesser Vert than Hunt and didn't do any other drills at the combine. Supposedly he was going to do the agility drills at his Pro Day, but if he did the results haven't been posted online anywhere I can find so far. All I can find are puff pieces about Guice focusing on demonstrating he can catch passes at his Pro Day even though he wasn't used that way (similar to Fournette last year.)

 

[menobrown]

If I were rebuilding I'd take that for AB.

If he could have got one of our other RB's I'd have done it in most leagues but I'm pretty down on CMC, this is a tough league to undertake a rebuild and our team is the last team I'd want to see AB land on.

 

[Ben & Jerry's]

10 team IDP ppr

1.01 + Rashard Mathews

for

1.02 + Michael Thomas

 

[ghostguy123]

10 team IDP ppr

1.01 + Rashard Mathews

for

1.02 + Michael Thomas

i really wish I had pick 1 in a league this year

 

[lexus]

i really wish I had pick 1 in a league this year

And why don't you as yet own one (or more)?

 

[ghostguy123]

And why don't you as yet own one (or more)?

huh?

 

[BigTex]

Early 2nd.  Dez hasn't been good for 4 years and he's 30.

Yes, the guy is a contender and we have the serpentine draft. Should be on worse the 13th overall pick at worst.

Tex

 

[BigTex]

Really ?  4 years ago = 2014 Dez was pretty good but I guess 88 catches, 1320 yards and 16 TD's suck.  2015 injured.  2016 actually was one of the best WR's in the league coming back from injury from weeks like 10-16 including a monster week 16 performance that won me many championships.  

2017 yes he was not good so he has not been good for 1 year and has been injured for parts of the other 2 years is more accurate.

Maybe he is done.  I can't say for sure or maybe Dak wasn't Tony Romoing him the ball in the right spots.

Many thought Randy Moss and Brandon Marshall were done they bounced back with some huge seasons.  Will Dez ?  who knows but I would take that shot for a 2019 2nd.

I love how when people trade for picks they always know they are "early" 2nds or 1sts and when they trade them away they always know their team is the bomb so they are trading away late 1sts.......as if injuries and underperfomances never happen for teams and we know exactly where those future picks are going to fall.

I really don’t care I have 6-8 WRs better than Dez as he wouldn’t start and hasn’t started a game on my team in two years so good by Mr. Inconsistent! I sent him packing much like I sent Mr. Cooper packing neither have been consistent enough to start on a weekly basis.....both are too boom or bust.

Tex

 

[Atomic Punk]

I'll never understand how some owners think. I'm in about 15 or so leagues. As an example, I have AB in a couple of them and in one of those I'm looking to move him for a RB (excellent WR depth and crap at RB). In a couple others I have pretty solid RB and a slew of picks but weak at WR.

in the leagues I'm trying to acquire AB from teams that "should" be selling (little depth, aging core, no chance at the title), I'm being laughed at for offering a top 5 1st, a late 2019 1st and a couple of young players that still have some value (Mike Williams, Jamal Williams, Dede, Cohen, Ross, etc.). 

In the leagues I'm selling AB, the best offer I could muster was the 1.08 (and he was "doing me a favor") even though he has a decent team and could take a good run at the title with a top tier WR like AB the next two seasons.

This isn't just about AB and his value but I just can't wrap my head around how people weigh offers and manage their teams, especially when most don't even comment on the offer at all.

end rant.

 

[Dez]

I'll never understand how some owners think. I'm in about 15 or so leagues. As an example, I have AB in a couple of them and in one of those I'm looking to move him for a RB (excellent WR depth and crap at RB). In a couple others I have pretty solid RB and a slew of picks but weak at WR.

in the leagues I'm trying to acquire AB from teams that "should" be selling (little depth, aging core, no chance at the title), I'm being laughed at for offering a top 5 1st, a late 2019 1st and a couple of young players that still have some value (Mike Williams, Jamal Williams, Dede, Cohen, Ross, etc.). 

In the leagues I'm selling AB, the best offer I could muster was the 1.08 (and he was "doing me a favor") even though he has a decent team and could take a good run at the title with a top tier WR like AB the next two seasons.

This isn't just about AB and his value but I just can't wrap my head around how people weigh offers and manage their teams, especially when most don't even comment on the offer at all.

end rant.

Would u have traded Brown for McCaffrey, 1.07, Crabtree and Williams in leagues your trying to sell AB ?  Pretty good value for AB if your trying to him me thinks.

 

[Dez]

Brown by a lot. 

Not seeing this at all.  McCaffrey is going about 10 picks after Brown in startups.

 

[Atomic Punk]

Would u have traded Brown for McCaffrey, 1.07, Crabtree and Williams in leagues your trying to sell AB ?  Pretty good value for AB if your trying to him me thinks.

I'd take that in a heart beat. Like I said, the best I could get for an offer was 1.08. Especially in leagues where I can't compete this year and need some pieces, the time to cash in on AB is now.

 

[Dez]

I'd take that in a heart beat. Like I said, the best I could get for an offer was 1.08. Especially in leagues where I can't compete this year and need some pieces, the time to cash in on AB is now.

I guess that is what makes dynasty great what 1 person would kill for in a trade another thinks they are getting ripped off.  I own AB in 1 league I wouldn't trade him because I want to try and win a championship so he will die on my team like many others as I don't usually trade my superstars.  I have been burnt many times though trading for them ala Trent Richardson, Priest Holmes, ect.

 

[Atomic Punk]

I guess that is what makes dynasty great what 1 person would kill for in a trade another thinks they are getting ripped off.  I own AB in 1 league I wouldn't trade him because I want to try and win a championship so he will die on my team like many others as I don't usually trade my superstars.  I have been burnt many times though trading for them ala Trent Richardson, Priest Holmes, ect.

But if your QBs are Mariota/Flacco, your best RB is Demarco Murray and your starting TE is Jesse James (slightly hypothetical scenario, but pretty close to one of the teams I was trying to trade for AB), there is no hope for a championship. Cash in while the gettings good!

 

[dipandglide]

12 team, PPR

Gave:

McCaffrey, 1.7, Jamaal Williams, Crabtree

Got:

Antonio Brown

Not sure how this looks to people in a vacuum but CMC was the teams #6 RB. Williams the teams #7RB but he was going to get cut or traded in next 10 days and so far efforts to get so much as a late second were not working out.  Team has a ton of talent at WR but needed a surefire #1.

Seems like a win-win. I like the AB side for a contender quite a bit. 

 

[dipandglide]

Not in April though.  

That's a slippery slope. What happens if AB gets injured? Ben retires? Taking a 1.03 (CMC), 1.07, and two 2nd's isn't terrible value. I think we can all agree that CMC has a high enough floor to make him a nice piece to build around. He's a nice RB to have in PPR leagues. 

 

[dipandglide]

A couple trades that went down...

12 teams, SFlex, PPR

Gave: 2.04

Got: DT

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12 teams, PPR

Gave: Sammy, Duke, Gallman

Got: Mixon

 

[Concept Coop]

Not seeing this at all.  McCaffrey is going about 10 picks after Brown in startups.

Per DLF:

Brown: 4

McCaffrey: 22

And I think that’s really early for McCaffrey. Guice, Mixon, and Hill are no-brainers over him, for example.

Just my opinion, of course.

 

[Dez]

Per DLF:

Brown: 4

McCaffrey: 22

And I think that’s really early for McCaffrey. Guice, Mixon, and Hill are no-brainers over him, for example.

Just my opinion, of course.

Are those DLF mocks ?  I am guessing yes.  Those mocks are not the real world not real people playing for real money just some so called "experts" playing out for the fun of it.

I am looking at real money startups here is what I have seen from 5 completed dynasty startup drafts.

Brown went 8 McCaffrey 21

Brown went 10 McCaffrey 15

Brown went 6 McCaffrey 19

Brown went 7 McCaffrey 21

Brown went 10 McCaffrey went 23

Avg Brown went 8.6 McCaffrey 19.8

Right now this is the spread.  Age Brown 30 and McCaffrey 22 and pick 1.07 "young".

It is really hard to say what the value of a 30 year old is compared to younger players in true value.  Clearly in a couple years this trade will be totally in favor of the youth.

I traded 1.01 and Keenan Allen plus some other stuff in 2014 for Dez and McCoy and that was a great deal "value" wise where guys were going in startups at the time and helped me win a few championships but that trade sure is hell of awful now and a few years ago it was already bad.  Dez had 1 great year 2014 nothing since.  McCoy has been very good since but the end is near.  Meanwhile if you took Evans at 1.01 (or even Watkins) plus you have Allen who is a top 15 startup guy the last couple drafts sure looking nice.

Old vs youth is always a tough call but there is one thing for sure the older player will be out of the league before you know it and the youth would go up in value, could stay the same or could bomb out but even if they bomb out at that point the value is no worse that even while the upside is you could have a stud for many years after while the older guy is sitting home watching games on TV.

 

[Snorkelson]

Are those DLF mocks ?  I am guessing yes.  Those mocks are not the real world not real people playing for real money just some so called "experts" playing out for the fun of it.

I am looking at real money startups here is what I have seen from 5 completed dynasty startup drafts.

Brown went 8 McCaffrey 21

Brown went 10 McCaffrey 15

Brown went 6 McCaffrey 19

Brown went 7 McCaffrey 21

Brown went 10 McCaffrey went 23

Avg Brown went 8.6 McCaffrey 19.8

Right now this is the spread.  Age Brown 30 and McCaffrey 22 and pick 1.07 "young".

It is really hard to say what the value of a 30 year old is compared to younger players in true value.  Clearly in a couple years this trade will be totally in favor of the youth.

I traded 1.01 and Keenan Allen plus some other stuff in 2014 for Dez and McCoy and that was a great deal "value" wise where guys were going in startups at the time and helped me win a few championships but that trade sure is hell of awful now and a few years ago it was already bad.  Dez had 1 great year 2014 nothing since.  McCoy has been very good since but the end is near.  Meanwhile if you took Evans at 1.01 (or even Watkins) plus you have Allen who is a top 15 startup guy the last couple drafts sure looking nice.

Old vs youth is always a tough call but there is one thing for sure the older player will be out of the league before you know it and the youth would go up in value, could stay the same or could bomb out but even if they bomb out at that point the value is no worse that even while the upside is you could have a stud for many years after while the older guy is sitting home watching games on TV.

Hindsight is always 20/20. Your trade helped you win so mission accomplished. Ask yourself what the standard life of a dynasty league is as well- if in 11 years someone new won a title every year there’s still one guy who hasn’t won- and there’s never that much parity. So take your titles and your old players, and while you may have waited a year too late to cash out, you’re playing with house money. Few years ago I traded 1.04 for cj anderson. Probably lost that trade on the face, but the pick was Kevin white. Cj had a nice late run last year that helped me win the title. I’ve looked back at that trade and thought “man, why did I do that” but without that trade I wouldn’t have survived. 

 

[Dez]

Hindsight is always 20/20. Your trade helped you win so mission accomplished. Ask yourself what the standard life of a dynasty league is as well- if in 11 years someone new won a title every year there’s still one guy who hasn’t won- and there’s never that much parity. So take your titles and your old players, and while you may have waited a year too late to cash out, you’re playing with house money. Few years ago I traded 1.04 for cj anderson. Probably lost that trade on the face, but the pick was Kevin white. Cj had a nice late run last year that helped me win the title. I’ve looked back at that trade and thought “man, why did I do that” but without that trade I wouldn’t have survived. 

The average life of a dynasty league should be forever.  I can't envision any of my leagues folding.  I started one in 1997 and not only is it still running we have almost every owner from 1997 still. 

 

[barackdhouse]

12 team PPR TE 1.5 

Team A gives ASJ, 3.06

Team B gives 2.08

 

[menobrown]

That's a slippery slope. What happens if AB gets injured? Ben retires? Taking a 1.03 (CMC), 1.07, and two 2nd's isn't terrible value. I think we can all agree that CMC has a high enough floor to make him a nice piece to build around. He's a nice RB to have in PPR leagues. 

In terms of timing of trade I would say the greater risk is on the team getting CMC. AB is is not getting hurt in April nor is Ben retiring this month. But what if Carolina drafts a RB in first few rounds?  I can say on my end this concern increased my urgency to deal CMC before next week.

 

[menobrown]

12 team PPR TE 1.5 

Team A gives ASJ, 3.06

Team B gives 2.08

Value wise I'd think ASJ would draw like the 2.8 range on his own so this seems a little light, but I think so little of ASJ that I was going to cut him in a 1.5 PPR TE league if I did not find a taker. I'd take the 2.8 if I could not do any better, it may not be available next week.

 

[dipandglide]

In terms of timing of trade I would say the greater risk is on the team getting CMC. AB is is not getting hurt in April nor is Ben retiring this month. But what if Carolina drafts a RB in first few rounds?  I can say on my end this concern increased my urgency to deal CMC before next week.

Caff isn't just an RB, he's a weapon that can be lined up everywhere. He was drafted in the top 10 FFS. Do you really think them bringing in a bigger RB is going to kill CMC value? I'll be buying if that's the consensus. 

*I'm valuing him in PPR formats, if your league is standard, then I agree with you. 

 

[menobrown]

Caff isn't just an RB, he's a weapon that can be lined up everywhere. He was drafted in the top 10 FFS. Do you really think them bringing in a bigger RB is going to kill CMC value? I'll be buying if that's the consensus. 

*I'm valuing him in PPR formats, if your league is standard, then I agree with you. 

He was drafted in the top 10 by a GM who is now gone. Drafted with a usage in mind by an OC is now gone. Also the owner is soon to be gone. Draft pedigree matters when you are drafted that high, there is pressure to get you on the field and it's safe to assume there is a plan in mind for a player picked this high. It's one of the reasons I thought he had a high floor this time last year. That's all over with now.

If he can't run any better he's just Theo Riddick. When you are saying he's a weapon that is also saying he's a bit of a gimmick guy, needs his touches manufactured. I don't trust Norv in this regard. People are expecting him to improve, I don't think people are spending second round picks in PPR hoping to get about 14.5 fantasy points a game. You sure bet I think if they draft a RB high along with the coaching changes I'm not banking on 80 catches saving the day again and he'll regress, not improve.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

He was drafted in the top 10 by a GM who is now gone. Drafted with a usage in mind by an OC is now gone. Also the owner is soon to be gone. Draft pedigree matters when you are drafted that high, there is pressure to get you on the field and it's safe to assume there is a plan in mind for a player picked this high. It's one of the reasons I thought he had a high floor this time last year. That's all over with now.

If he can't run any better he's just Theo Riddick. When you are saying he's a weapon that is also saying he's a bit of a gimmick guy, needs his touches manufactured. I don't trust Norv in this regard. People are expecting him to improve, I don't think people are spending second round picks in PPR hoping to get about 14.5 fantasy points a game. You sure bet I think if they draft a RB high along with the coaching changes I'm not banking on 80 catches saving the day again and he'll regress, not improve.

I was going to type out something similar but you nailed it all, so I'll just 

 

[Arodin]

I'll never understand how some owners think. I'm in about 15 or so leagues. As an example, I have AB in a couple of them and in one of those I'm looking to move him for a RB (excellent WR depth and crap at RB). In a couple others I have pretty solid RB and a slew of picks but weak at WR.

in the leagues I'm trying to acquire AB from teams that "should" be selling (little depth, aging core, no chance at the title), I'm being laughed at for offering a top 5 1st, a late 2019 1st and a couple of young players that still have some value (Mike Williams, Jamal Williams, Dede, Cohen, Ross, etc.). 

In the leagues I'm selling AB, the best offer I could muster was the 1.08 (and he was "doing me a favor") even though he has a decent team and could take a good run at the title with a top tier WR like AB the next two seasons.

This isn't just about AB and his value but I just can't wrap my head around how people weigh offers and manage their teams, especially when most don't even comment on the offer at all.

end rant.

This is actually not uncommon, and would be expected in a relatively free market like FF trading.

In any league there are going to be owners who value AB higher than average, and other owners who value him lower than average.  He's been around for a long gime though, so in most leagues he is probably already owned by one of the owners with an above average valuation on him.  So those owners are going to want a price others will see as excessive, while other owners will be offering prices the AB owner thinks are too low by far.

Most of the trades we see for established stars tend to come from orphan team takeovers, where the incoming owner has different values on much of his roster than the owner that assembled it in the first place.  Many of the rest are rebuild vs win-now deals where owners share a valuation but differ on needs-vs-time.

 

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This is actually not uncommon, and would be expected in a relatively free market like FF trading.

In any league there are going to be owners who value AB higher than average, and other owners who value him lower than average.  He's been around for a long gime though, so in most leagues he is probably already owned by one of the owners with an above average valuation on him.  So those owners are going to want a price others will see as excessive, while other owners will be offering prices the AB owner thinks are too low by far.

Most of the trades we see for established stars tend to come from orphan team takeovers, where the incoming owner has different values on much of his roster than the owner that assembled it in the first place.  Many of the rest are rebuild vs win-now deals where owners share a valuation but differ on needs-vs-time.

Also orphan teams often come in less patient and don’t properly shop a guy. They’ll get a bunch of offers, usually embarrassingly low  but sometimes at least reasonable, and they want to start making moves. Or they have a guy they want to move and take whatever offer they can get. I’m sure everyone has had a trade go down where you said “man, I would have given more than that, wish I knew.”