Yeah, there will be lots of crow eating in this thread regarding Conner. But hey, I robbed him!
I thought you were the type of guy who would come back and toot his own horn. You still robbed him it doesn't matter what they do after, it is about the value at the time of the trade. . You robbed him at the time. It is going to work out for him? Sure looks like it, but keep making trades like that and you will miss more than you hit and end with very little talent on your roster.
You type a lot of words, but sure don't say much that hasn't already been said repeatedly.msudaisy26 said:I thought you were the type of guy who would come back and toot his own horn. You still robbed him it doesn't matter what they do after, it is about the value at the time of the trade. . You robbed him at the time. It is going to work out for him? Sure looks like it, but keep making trades like that and you will miss more than you hit and end with very little talent on your roster.
TE must be “very premium”.Deal 2
Team A (same as team above) sends Ebron
Team C sends D. Foreman, 2019 2nd, currently projected very early
I think the pick is on the wrong side. I prefer the players in 1 to the players in 2, so the first rounder is just a bonus.10 Team PPR
Team 1 gives: D. Freeman, C. Kupp and 2019 1.05
For
Team 2 gives: K. Drake, C. Davis and 2019 2.04
The RB would be paired with McCaffrey and the WR would be a WR3 on Team 1 squad.
I think Team 1 is assuming more of the risk here (despite better unproven talent); am I delusional here?
I agree that there is something missing from the Team 2 offer. Re: Draft Order—purely speculation on my part, and could be different at year end, but likely not by more than a pick.I think the pick is on the wrong side. I prefer the players in 1 to the players in 2, so the first rounder is just a bonus.
How do you know the 2019 draft order already?
TE premium? If not, holy rape Batman!12 team ppr te premium, not involved in either
Team A sends T Burton
Team B sends (3) 2019 2nds currently projected to be 1 mid and 2 late
Deal 2
Team A (same as team above) sends Ebron
Team C sends D. Foreman, 2019 2nd, currently projected very early
yeah its 1.5 ppr for TE, can start up to 3TE premium? If not, holy rape Batman!
I'm dropping Ebron for Eifert in 1 league.yeah its 1.5 ppr for TE, can start up to 3
I am not a fan of either deal. But on opposite sides.
I think in this league Burton is possibly worth more. I also think outside of catastrophic injury, he would retain his value and could still be moved later. So I dont like moving him now personally. Side note* Team A Has ertz, so he doesnt NEED Burton, but still.
The other deal is just bad from team C but he just lost Walker this week and has no real depth. Not that Ebron is depth but his weekly upside is better than average by a lot.
Knowing the trade is evaluated when it happened, what would you think about it in retrospect if Conner plays half this year, and takes the starting job next year? Fair then?
With this scoring I would take Burton in the 1st one. I would take the pick in the 2nd12 team ppr te premium, not involved in either
Team A sends T Burton
Team B sends (3) 2019 2nds currently projected to be 1 mid and 2 late
Deal 2
Team A (same as team above) sends Ebron
Team C sends D. Foreman, 2019 2nd, currently projected very early
I'd pay that for Ebron easily in a TE premium league.The other deal is just bad from team C but he just lost Walker this week and has no real depth. Not that Ebron is depth but his weekly upside is better than average by a lot.
Not sure if this is directed at me but if so you are badly misquoting me.You'd give two 2nds to downgrade from Burton to Ebron? That's my take on it, I don't care where those 2nds are "projected" to be because it's way, way too early to know that.
Not intentionally, were you referring to something other than the trade here? Because if you are, I added that that was my take on it, not necessarily your words/how you saw it. Sorry, I guess I was just taking a bit of a circuitous route to make my point, didn't mean to pick at anything from you.Not sure if this is directed at me but if so you are badly misquoting me.
No problem at all, just miscommunication and for sure on my end.Not intentionally, were you referring to something other than the trade here? Because if you are, I added that that was my take on it, not necessarily your words/how you saw it. Sorry, I guess I was just taking a bit of a circuitous route to make my point, didn't mean to pick at anything from you.
Ok well i completely misread that post. I thought it was Burton and three 2nd's (late) for Ebron, Foreman, and an early 2nd. Those were two different trades haha. My bad.No problem at all, just miscommunication and for sure on my end.
I was talking about the single trade of Ebron for Foreman and a 2. My comments were not looking at totality of trade or any part of the trade involving Burton.
I respectfully disagree. Market value doesn't score fantasy points. Sometimes you have to surrender market value to get your guy. Maybe the new Conner owner just got lucky, or maybe he or she was just a step ahead of the rest of us.msudaisy26 said:I thought you were the type of guy who would come back and toot his own horn. You still robbed him it doesn't matter what they do after, it is about the value at the time of the trade. . You robbed him at the time. It is going to work out for him? Sure looks like it, but keep making trades like that and you will miss more than you hit and end with very little talent on your roster.
That is fine, but if you keep taking less than market value or paying more than market value you will have a bad team in the long run.I respectfully disagree. Market value doesn't score fantasy points. Sometimes you have to surrender market value to get your guy. Maybe the new Conner owner just got lucky, or maybe he or she was just a step ahead of the rest of us.
Right but that's a different equation - it's about being right. And I am a firm believer in that, I will frequently "overpay" for my guy. But that doesn't change the fact that it's an overpay. I could have traded Kareem Hunt for Phillip Lindsay and scored a bunch more points Sunday but it would still be terrible value for Hunt.I respectfully disagree. Market value doesn't score fantasy points. Sometimes you have to surrender market value to get your guy. Maybe the new Conner owner just got lucky, or maybe he or she was just a step ahead of the rest of us.
Conner is worth more than what the owner paid today, a single game after the trade went down. Not sure your Hunt/Lindsay comparison holds up.Right but that's a different equation - it's about being right. And I am a firm believer in that, I will frequently "overpay" for my guy. But that doesn't change the fact that it's an overpay. I could have traded Kareem Hunt for Phillip Lindsay and scored a bunch more points Sunday but it would still be terrible value for Hunt.
Sutton for me, but close enough.12 team PPR QRRWWWTF
Team A gave: DJ Moore, Kenny Stills
Team B gave: Courtland Sutton, James Washington, 2019 3rd
Sutton for me and it's not close.Sutton for me, but close enough.
Sutton/Washington/3rd12 team PPR QRRWWWTF
Team A gave: DJ Moore, Kenny Stills
Team B gave: Courtland Sutton, James Washington, 2019 3rd
Meh ...PPR
All TDs 6 points
QWWWRRTFKD
TEAM A gave Marlon Mack
TEAM B gave Burkhead
I was the one who got Sutton but it was close for me. I prefer Sutton to Moore but I am a league favorite this year and now I have no WR3 to startSutton for me and it's not close.
Really? Surprising. Mack is due some crazy volume soon.......Ray Barboni said:Meh ...
Burkhead, I guess
Sutton, but I really, really like Stills and would do all I could to weasel out of giving him up and doing someone else in the same value territory instead.Raback said:12 team PPR QRRWWWTF
Team A gave: DJ Moore, Kenny Stills
Team B gave: Courtland Sutton, James Washington, 2019 3rd
I don't agree with your Conner part, but you help illustrate my point here - if Lindsay and Hunt keep this pattern up then yes, it will turn out "I was right". Doesn't mean I got good value at the time of the trade though. So now we're just moving the timeline but the result is the same. At some date in the future any trade might turn out to look differently than it did on trade day - one day, 60 days, whenever. Doesn't mean it wasn't robbery when it happened.Concept Coop said:Conner is worth more than what the owner paid today, a single game after the trade went down. Not sure your Hunt/Lindsay comparison holds up.
Not true. Market value changes. Taking less than market value for a guy whose market later drops well below what you took is a good deal. Paying more than market value for a guy whose value goes up beyond what you paid is a good deal. It's hard to predict market value, but if you do it right you profit.msudaisy26 said:That is fine, but if you keep taking less than market value or paying more than market value you will have a bad team in the long run.
It is difficult to be right enough to do that. I bet the guy that sold Larry Fitzgerald cheaply at 29 is regretting it.Not true. Market value changes. Taking less than market value for a guy whose market later drops well below what you took is a good deal. Paying more than market value for a guy whose value goes up beyond what you paid is a good deal. It's hard to predict market value, but if you do it right you profit.
The guy who sold Calvin Johnson for a little less than market value when he turned 29 is really happy he did so...
The time needed to bridge the gap in value acts as a measure of said gap in value. It wasn’t robbery if it took a single game to bridge that gap. It would take a whole lot more than things breaking right for a week for Lindsay to bridge the gap between he and Hunt.I don't agree with your Conner part, but you help illustrate my point here - if Lindsay and Hunt keep this pattern up then yes, it will turn out "I was right". Doesn't mean I got good value at the time of the trade though. So now we're just moving the timeline but the result is the same. At some date in the future any trade might turn out to look differently than it did on trade day - one day, 60 days, whenever. Doesn't mean it wasn't robbery when it happened.
I disagree. That assumes the market is efficient, and the dynasty market is wildly inefficient at times.It is difficult to be right enough to do that. I bet the guy that sold Larry Fitzgerald cheaply at 29 is regretting it.
Unless I'm misreading the original trade it looks like the same team is sending away both Burton and Ebron, not acquiring either.Hankmoody said:You'd give two 2nds to downgrade from Burton to Ebron? That's my take on it, I don't care where those 2nds are "projected" to be because it's way, way too early to know that.
and that we also have a limited market to actually trade in (11 other teams) as opposed to the dynasty universe.Market value is what someone will pay, not what your “think” it is.
We kind of forget that in FF sometimes.
This is absolutely true.and that we also have a limited market to actually trade in (11 other teams) as opposed to the dynasty universe.
Weird trade unless the guy just really need to clear a roster spot. Godwin was a second round pick in rookie drafts who showed some flashes last year and has a chance to shine now (and had a good Week 1).Godwin, Chris TBB WR for a 2nd, probably pick 24-30
The only trade that's even close is the middle one - you crushed the other two.12 team .5 ppr qrrwwffd. Was strong at rb, weak at wr, and lost Delanie.
gave: 2019 3rd
got: Robert woods
gave: breida
got: Jimmy graham
gave: Eifert/Delanie
got: Lockett
The guy trading him away just took over the team so he might either not like Godwin or just wants to build.Weird trade unless the guy just really need to clear a roster spot. Godwin was a second round pick in rookie drafts who showed some flashes last year and has a chance to shine now (and had a good Week 1).
This is why I have moved almost exclusively to large leagues. My original dynasty league is 12 teams, but I learned quickly that my strength was at trading.and that we also have a limited market to actually trade in (11 other teams) as opposed to the dynasty universe.