fruity pebbles
Footballguy
19th pick in the draft for Sterling Shepard. 16 teams, ppr with IDP so later picks have a bit more value.
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****OFFICIAL DYNASTY TRADES**** (54 Viewers)
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skinfanjon
Footballguy
FFPC
Gave: Sutton, Jeffrey
Got: Ridley
Perhaps a slight overpay, but the roster spot isn't inconsequential. I don't think Jeffrey and Wentz are a good fit and I really soured on Sutton over the 2nd half of the season.
Boils down to shipping two assets I felt we're shaky for a guy I believe has high end WR2 upside.
Gave: Sutton, Jeffrey
Got: Ridley
Perhaps a slight overpay, but the roster spot isn't inconsequential. I don't think Jeffrey and Wentz are a good fit and I really soured on Sutton over the 2nd half of the season.
Boils down to shipping two assets I felt we're shaky for a guy I believe has high end WR2 upside.
ffmail4me
Footballguy
This seems like grand larceny to land Mahomes and Hunt, especially considering Cam might not even play next year. wow.
ffmail4me
Footballguy
I think you made a great trade. Jeffrey is slowly morphing into Santana Moss/L. Coles....way too many crappy games and you might not even have him in your lineup when he explodes for 2-3 games a year.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
12 team ppr QB-2RB-3WR-TE-FL
Team A gave up
Jeffery, Alshon PHI WR;
Wilson, Albert MIA WR;
5.10
5.07
Team B gave up
Miller, Anthony CHI WR;
Valdes-Scantling, Marquez GBP WR;
3.12
Team A gave up
Jeffery, Alshon PHI WR;
Wilson, Albert MIA WR;
5.10
5.07
Team B gave up
Miller, Anthony CHI WR;
Valdes-Scantling, Marquez GBP WR;
3.12
I traded Sony Michel in only two leagues I own him today. One trade I think opinions will split, the other I think opinions will say I sold cheap. Both FFPC leagues.
Gave: Michel
Got: 2020#1 (Pick from 6th highest scoring team in league last year, IMO 4 teams are easily superior to this team and 3 teams easily inferior. This team is more or less in mix with other 5 teams for two playoff spots, so borderline playoff team which in FFPC draft format for those that don't know these are the kind of teams picks who often have best chance of netting 1.1. That being said I'd preferred top 6 pick from one of the 3 pitiful teams, they would not give it.)
Gave: 1.8, Michel, 2020 second(late), Hayden Hurst(who I was going to cut if I could not trade)
Got: Kittle, 2020 second(projected high)
Gave: Michel
Got: 2020#1 (Pick from 6th highest scoring team in league last year, IMO 4 teams are easily superior to this team and 3 teams easily inferior. This team is more or less in mix with other 5 teams for two playoff spots, so borderline playoff team which in FFPC draft format for those that don't know these are the kind of teams picks who often have best chance of netting 1.1. That being said I'd preferred top 6 pick from one of the 3 pitiful teams, they would not give it.)
Gave: 1.8, Michel, 2020 second(late), Hayden Hurst(who I was going to cut if I could not trade)
Got: Kittle, 2020 second(projected high)
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Aunt Jemima
Footballguy
FFPC, trying to rebuild an Orphan
Gave L Bell 2020 3rd
Got Kittle 2020 2nd
Gave L Bell 2020 3rd
Got Kittle 2020 2nd
skinfanjon
Footballguy
The first one surprises me. I'm not a big fan of Michel but it seems a little undervalued without knowing the status of the pick. Is it more of a short Michel or long 2020 move in your mind?
Love the 2nd one for you. Elite TEs are huge in FFPC and you got the youngest one. I could make a case he's the top TE in dynasty.
I for sure would have expected majority of people to view trade as you are expressing here, though I do wonder how much last two weeks changed that opinion for people, I'd expect heavily. I am trying to take advantage of that, trying to take advantage of people caught up in the moment.
Short version I soured on Michel and love the 2020 draft. Longer version below.
He was RB36 in PPG during the season. Even if you threw his two playoff games into his PPG average he's move up to RB21 on average so better but still talking a low end RB2 putting up 13PPG. And while I think injuries did hold him back a little and reason exists to expect some improvement going forward the primary reason he scores so low is the major reason I have soured on him and that's because he is almost a total zero in the passing game. That's where I got my evaluation of him wrong. His receptions dipped a great deal his last year in school but he had a solid 48 catches the previous two seasons and on a team that loves throwing to the RB's I expected that to be a big part of his game. James White stole the passing game show and James White is on a cheap contract carrying him till the end of the 2020 season, he's not going anywhere and he has a special connection with Brady in the passing game. After the NFL draft I considered Michel the #2 RB in REDRAFT because I thought he had immediate path to playing time but I did not really love Michel long term due mainly to long term concerns on his knee and fact Brady is not going to be around forever. The knee being the major concern and this year did not make me feel better about it. My plan the entire time was to try and get use out him 1-2 years then move him once people focused on his production and not thinking of stuff like some reports that suggest he has a bone on bone knee issue that will be problematic for him having a long career. I got my year, results were mixed, but his playoff performance gave me a great time IMO to move on to stage two of my plan when I drafted him which was to move him. He also projects as my RB4 on this team, RB5 if/when Hunt returns, I'll give that up in pursuit of more upside and a more consistent performer because RB's who don't catch passes are rarely consistent or have high upside.
Aunt Jemima
Footballguy
FFPC rebuilding an orphan
Gave TY Hilton, 3.8, 5.1, delanie walker
Got 1.2, Agholor, M Lee, Burkhead
Gave TY Hilton, 3.8, 5.1, delanie walker
Got 1.2, Agholor, M Lee, Burkhead
skinfanjon
Footballguy
I don't disagree with anything you wrote at all. It actually echos my own thoughts on Michel on the nose. It feels like there should be a 2nd rounder included on his side, although sometimes you have to take less or pay extra in order to get a deal done. Given your RB depth and thoughts on Michel and 2020, I think it's a solid move that most owners would be afraid to make because it's not "market value". Nice work.
Still, if that pick ends up in the 1.05-1.08 range, it will probably feel a little light for him considering that's equatable to where he was going in rookie drafts this year, if not higher.
But overall, leaving a 2nd on the table and purging a guy you aren't confident in (for good reason) while his stock is fairly high in exchange for a potentially high pick in a very good draft is a strong move in my opinion.
skinfanjon
Footballguy
Tejas
Footballguy
If I knew that pick would end up as 1.8 I'd have still done it. Just goes into my theory that it's all about studs, I'll always give up someone I view as a fringe starter guy for a shot at a stud. Especially in this league which despite the solid buy in cost has a lot of brain dead owners, the pickings in FA every week are almost always better and cheaper then any other league-point is it's easy to find help when you need it but you need studs to win it. How I"ll feel about this trade in the future will likely depend more on if Michel emerges into being a stud then where the pick I got ends up. And on Michel ending up as a stud I'm not going to say he has no chance, simply emerging in the passing game would be huge for him so he might make me regret this, but knowing what I know right now I'm willing to bet against it.
I did have another team offer me a first and second but it's one of the 3 other really good teams in the league and I did not think a pick in likely 2.9-2.12 range made up for the first being likely worse.
I thought value on both trades was equitable but makes perfect sense for you on a rebuild. Liked the Hilton trade more then the Bell trade, only part about Bell trade I did not like was you had to give up what sounds like a high second in a deep projected draft but on the whole I'd still have done it if I was you.
Is this your first orphan takeover?
skinfanjon
Footballguy
I think he received the 2nd, which just makes it all the better. I take Kittle pretty easily for a rebuild.
Ben & Jerry's
Footballguy
10 team ppr IDP Dynasty
Aaron Jones + Mike Williams + David Njoku + 1.07
For
Nick Chubb + Deon Cain + 5.07
Aaron Jones + Mike Williams + David Njoku + 1.07
For
Nick Chubb + Deon Cain + 5.07
Aunt Jemima
Footballguy
yes first year I'm trying a takeover, really prefer doing my own from startup but figured I'd help out and give it a try. Definitely looks like a challengemenobrown said:
TheBottomLine
Footballguy
Nice return for Chubb. I'll take Jones, Williams, Njoku, and the 7th overall pretty easily.Ben & Jerry's said:
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
If I had enough depth (and I usually do) I take the Chubb side easily. There's surely some nice pieces on the other side but Chubb has difference making potential. My goal is always to move depth for stars whenever I can and this is a great example.
I agree. I have Chubb and it wouldn't be an easy choice to accept that deal. If I needed TE and WR help desperately I would probably do it but otherwise I would rather have the difference making ability of Chubb locked in.
With how good Jones has looked when utilized & healthy he hasn't proven that either of those will happen consistently. He carries a ton more risk than a guy I know will be getting 18-22 carries a game with a high TD potential.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I'd show some patience and try and find another way - I'm not downplaying Williams and Njouko as I like both, but you can find guys like that a little cheaper in smaller deals or through the rookie draft.
Agreed and it's even more important in a 10 team league. If this was a 14-16 team league then I could see taking the plethora of players and 1.07, but in a 10 team league, this trade was won by whoever got Chubb.
Zyphros
Footballguy
Guess I'm in the minority here. I'll take the Jones/Williams/Njoku side rather easily. Chubb isn't exactly a PPR monster, neither is Jones (20 vs 26 catches last year) it seems but the really good pass catchers in this deal make me take that side. I'd rather have Chubb over Jones but I view it as this; Jones and 1.07 for Chubb - seems even there for me. Then Williams/Njoku for Cain/5.07? Yeah the WR's easily win that.Ben & Jerry's said:
Minority but not alone, I'd take that non-Chubb side as well and kind of easily but I also don't play in 10 team or IDP leagues so it's possible I'm missing something in the strategic thought process.
Zyphros
Footballguy
I have 3 leagues that are 10 team and it's more dependent on roster sizes than anything. 2 of those leagues of mine are start 3 RB's so maybe that's what's influencing me a bit. Strong flex plays like Williams are usually big difference makers though.
Chubb vs Jones is the real debate it seems though. People want to put Chubb in the elite category because everyone believes he's "back" to his old self. But he's basically a glorified Jordan Howard. I can't see how you could rank him highly enough to have him as a clear advantage over Aaron Jones. They're almost a wash to each other but Chubb has more hype with his name brand value.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
TheBottomLine
Footballguy
I have a 10-team IDP league and I see the points on preferring the Chubb side. Assuming you are deep, an argument can be made for Chubb. But, assuming average depth, I'd take that return all day. The dynasty trade value chart shows it as a free 1.07 basically (actually 1.07+ for free), although the fact that it's a shallower league would make it closer.
Aunt Jemima
Footballguy
FFPC today, not involved
Team A gave Mixon and Cooper
Team B gave Barkley
Team A gave Mixon and Cooper
Team B gave Barkley
I really like both Mixon and Cooper a lot and have both of them together on one team. I can see both sides of this trade but if I got this offer on my Mixon/Cooper team I'd take it.
Tejas
Footballguy
Wow. As cheap as possible for Barkley. Context, in FFPC, I traded Barkley for Hopkins, Fournette, and a 2019 2nd. Then traded Fournette and Lamar Jackson for Watson, Cook, Hines and a 2nd round pick. So all in all value for Barkley and Jackson:
Hopkins, Cook, Watson, Hines (2) 2019 2nd rounders.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Not looking at totality and of your trades and just this one I'd take Mixon/Cooper over this, close but that's the side I"d take so to me that was cheaper to get Barkley.
Barkley like most people is my 1.1 in dynasty. I expected opinions to favor that side but I sure felt that trade was a lot closer then most of you but I likely value Mixon and Cooper more then most.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Yeah I have Chubb way way ahead of Jones. Even if Chubb never becomes a prolific pass catcher I'm confident that in 3 years he will still be a starting RB and a good fantasy asset. I am not at all confident in that with Jones and I think it's way more likely that he's the next James Starks than that he is the next Ahman Green.
TheBottomLine
Footballguy
Agree the bolded is the real debate. I don't have Chubb as a wash with Jones but in an earlier post you said Jones and 1.7 was about a wash, that's about where I'm at. So not even, but not nearly the gap between the two as others feel. I suppose you could sub Mike Williams for the 1.7 so however you want to look at it, I felt the side giving up Chubb was getting 1.7 or Mike Williams over how I'd value the players.
Aunt Jemima
Footballguy
FFPC
Gave OJ Howard
Got Cooper Kupp
Gave OJ Howard
Got Cooper Kupp
Mark Football
Footballguy
All you have to do is watch the tape and you'll know that Jones is not Starks or Green. He is SO explosive. Can he hold up to a feature back amount of touches for a whole season? I think that is the question. I think chubb has still not proved he could handle the load yet either.
Zyphros
Footballguy
Zyphros
Footballguy
Interesting one went down yesterday in my FFPC league, not involved
Team 1 got: Kerryon Johnson and the 1.07
Team 2 got: Patrick Mahomes
Seems light to me but the guy that gave up Mahomes still has Goff and Winston and has a really solid team. Just cashing in a QB I guess.
Team 1 got: Kerryon Johnson and the 1.07
Team 2 got: Patrick Mahomes
Seems light to me but the guy that gave up Mahomes still has Goff and Winston and has a really solid team. Just cashing in a QB I guess.
Aunt Jemima
Footballguy
ffmail4me
Footballguy
I would normally always trade QB depth for help at skilled positions but man, Mahomes seems as untradeable as Barkley IMO.
ffmail4me
Footballguy
That is just awful. I would reject that without a counter if I owned Barkley. Just awful.
ffmail4me
Footballguy
I like Ju-Ju but I'd break my finger accepting that trade offer to land Diggs and 1.1.
Slightly lean Kupp, would be heavier for Kupp but think a decent chance he gets put on PUP next year.
Seems very reasonable to me for either side. Guy who gave up Mahomes made what looks like a total make sense trade. I think Goff is ranked over Winston and I can't get a second for Goff so seems like he traded the QB who could get him a decent return. I'm also extremely high on Kerryon.
Mahomes is the most valuable QB I've seen since I've been playing FFPC dynasty. I got a Goff/Mahomes team and if someone offered me 1.1 for Mahomes I'd pass and as of right now I'm likely to cut Goff. Now I got other teams I'd probably take that trade if offered, but trying to point out that depending on team makeup I put Mahomes value right around 1.1.
