****OFFICIAL DYNASTY TRADES**** (43 Viewers)

[Gally]

I was offered that by an owner who likes Chark even more than I do, which I didn't expect. I had recently gotten the 1.10 back in a deal where I big time overpaid for AJ Brown, so I was happy to (seemingly) gain some value back. FWIW the owner said he chose to send this offer to me over accepting an offer of Mixon and 2.09 he had received from someone else. He sees Chark as a top-5 WR the next 5 years.

I find that trades with owners who have strong opinions in their evaluations tend to come together the easiest, as they see value differently and bet on themselves. 

The only way that happens is if the owner also trusts their evaluations.  I find the biggest obstacle to trades is an owner that doesn't trust their own evaluations.  It's why many times when you inquire about a guy that you know the other owner doesn't really like and all of a sudden the price skyrockets.  The internal thoughts go along the lines of "If that guy wants him I must be missing something so I need more to part with a guy I don't even want" 

Making deals with someone that knows what they want and trusts their evaluations is really easy.  Guys with no confidence....not so much.  I seem to run into the latter much more than the former.

 

[menobrown]

I didn't look at it that way, so good point. My team is a contender, and even with Landry & ARob both being bench guys for me, I don't know if I could do it. Am I just overvaluing my guys?

Or not valuing Gallup an the 1.4 enough?

 

[menobrown]

12 team PPR 

Team A gets: JuJu 

Team B gets: Dionta Johnson & Hollywood Brown

Could see Ben loving Deontae as much or more than JuJu but took the deal. Still a big believer in Johnson though.

Ha, I see you edited the comments. When you posted this last night you did not say you were involved in the trade but you said you were not sure which side won . I meant to respond to that but forgot and what I was going to say, based on your comments regarding Diontae in other threads,  was that if you are being honest with yourself on what you really think you like the side getting Diontae  and I was going to add you should follow your gut/instincts. I see now that you did  accept the trade but I wanted to ask did you accept it  before you posted or did you float it out to see what people thought, and still make it after some of the comments saying how bad of a deal it was? If so not what this thread is for but I ain't mad, respect that you went through with it even after the negative feedback.

 

[ffmail4me]

Ha, I see you edited the comments. When you posted this last night you did not say you were involved in the trade but you said you were not sure which side won . I meant to respond to that but forgot and what I was going to say, based on your comments regarding Diontae in other threads,  was that if you are being honest with yourself on what you really think you like the side getting Diontae  and I was going to add you should follow your gut/instincts. I see now that you did  accept the trade but I wanted to ask did you accept it  before you posted or did you float it out to see what people thought, and still make it after some of the comments saying how bad of a deal it was? If so not what this thread is for but I ain't mad, respect that you went through with it even after the negative feedback.

No I made the trade...but I was torn. But I had, prior to accepting that, zero shares of JuJu, where I still have Diontae in probably 5 other leagues. So felt it was worth diversifying here. 

 

[JoeJoe88]

We have a new member, new to dynasty, and he is horrible to deal with. I floated a couple guys to him.and got, "who

I’ve got this a few times myself. Makes me not want to even spark a dialogue with them in the future. Very frustrating. 

 

[BigTex]

Dyno TE Premo
 

Gave Todd Gurley, 2020 2.9, 2020 3.2, 2020 3.4

Got Mark Andrews 
 

Tex

 

[Pwingles]

Dyno TE Premo
 

Gave Todd Gurley, 2020 2.9, 2020 3.2, 2020 3.4

Got Mark Andrews 
 

Tex

dang, even in TE prem that seems so off for gurley

 

[wgoldsph]

Dyno TE Premo
 

Gave Todd Gurley, 2020 2.9, 2020 3.2, 2020 3.4

Got Mark Andrews 
 

Tex

You stole Andrews IMO.

 

[barackdhouse]

The only way that happens is if the owner also trusts their evaluations.  I find the biggest obstacle to trades is an owner that doesn't trust their own evaluations.  It's why many times when you inquire about a guy that you know the other owner doesn't really like and all of a sudden the price skyrockets.  The internal thoughts go along the lines of "If that guy wants him I must be missing something so I need more to part with a guy I don't even want" 

Making deals with someone that knows what they want and trusts their evaluations is really easy.  Guys with no confidence....not so much.  I seem to run into the latter much more than the former.

Yeah there are so many owners that are risk averse in general and I swear even when the value is screaming in their face they will hold. 

 

[Gally]

Yeah there are so many owners that are risk averse in general and I swear even when the value is screaming in their face they will hold. 

Well, value is in the eye of the beholder...…..They may just not value the same as you. 

The underlying issue is confidence.  If they don't have confidence in their evaluation ability they will doubt their views and waffle on making any deals.  The owners that are confident make deals quickly and easily because they know what they want and how much they are willing to pay. 

 

[Snorkelson]

Yeah there are so many owners that are risk averse in general and I swear even when the value is screaming in their face they will hold. 

I have two trades that I really regretted after the fact, but both eventually had pieces that helped me win championships. They didn’t help me much over the years but happened to beast for the right weeks. You never know how things will go. The madness of the eyes is the lure of the abyss. 

 

[RushHour]

Yeah there are so many owners that are risk averse in general and I swear even when the value is screaming in their face they will hold. 

Even more experienced players do that (including me) if they just like a player so much they don't want to give him up for 'market value'. I've experienced that trying to acquire players who another owner likes as much as me - you can offer something fair, or more than fair, and it doesn't matter. They aren't trading. It's frustrating for sure, especially when you know you could get that player for less in another league. There are a couple of players I own who I'd have a hard time trading for any package (e.g. Sutton), perhaps unless it was a ridiculous overpay.

 

[menobrown]

Even more experienced players do that (including me) if they just like a player so much they don't want to give him up for 'market value'. I've experienced that trying to acquire players who another owner likes as much as me - you can offer something fair, or more than fair, and it doesn't matter. They aren't trading.

Got to agree.

I'm in a dynasty league that is or at least used to be a who's who of high stakes WCOFF and eventually FFPC players. Highly experienced players with history of big win(ings). It is by far the deadest league I've ever been associated. Had a second league, and these are private leagues started by people from old WCOFF and FFPC, that was similar but eventually a few people dropped out and we got a few new teams in and league came to life.

But just from what I've seen, getting a league full of highly experienced and successful owners together has little bearing on trade level or activity.

 

[menobrown]

No I made the trade...but I was torn. But I had, prior to accepting that, zero shares of JuJu, where I still have Diontae in probably 5 other leagues. So felt it was worth diversifying here. 

I read that wrong and you got JuJu. I knew you loved Diontae. You for sure won on value.

 

[RushHour]

This is me... 

I love Sutton... but I was offered 2 firsts for him. One was AJ Brown and the other turned into 1.4 2020. I had to take it, even though I like Sutton

I later traded Washington and Gallup for Sutton... then Corey Davis and 2.1 for Gallup... So I ended up trading Corey Davis, Washington, and 2.1 for AJ Brown and 1.4 . There might have been another mid 2nd or 3rd rounder but ultimately I got my guys I liked back 

I was offered a ridiculous package for Barkley this time last year, and I declined. Even though I was getting a 1st round pick beyond his fair market value. I didnt care that I was getting value; I liked my guy. 

I was just talking to a buddy stating that I feel like I have no pieces to trade anymore. he laughed and listed off the ridiculous depth I have at wr and now some great RBs. I realized I have pieces but I dont have pieces that I dont like...

Cant fault people for sticking to their guns and liking their guys. 

Several owners in my main 2 dynasties have been in it for a decade or more, so they really like their guys. in enters me and I want to trade get guys I like... it's tough. It's nice getting new owners to stir things up a bit

Geez.....I identify with this 100% LOL. In my main league I've put in the effort with drafts and trading to get my guys....to the point where my whole roster is those players basically. There are only a couple of non-essential players I would trade but they don't have much value.

I don't see the point in moving anyone else, at least until I get a chance to see them (hopefully) realise their potential. I'm sure that's the wrong way to look at things but everyone does it differently. I don't view players at assets with a stock market mentality where I'm just trying to get 'value'. I've never been able to do that. For me, I have to likethe players on my team - that's what makes it fun ultimately. 

 

[BigTex]

dang, even in TE prem that seems so off for gurley

I’m loaded at the position, I don’t need Gurley. I traded him to someone who’s not in my division and with Kelce being over 30 I need to play from my strong hand. Higbee is next on my list with still 9 picks in the 1st two rounds I must choose wisely.

Tex

 

[barackdhouse]

Well, value is in the eye of the beholder...…..They may just not value the same as you. 

The underlying issue is confidence.  If they don't have confidence in their evaluation ability they will doubt their views and waffle on making any deals.  The owners that are confident make deals quickly and easily because they know what they want and how much they are willing to pay. 

I was agreeing with you.

 

[Cjw_55106]

Gave 

Year 2020 Draft Pick 1.01

Year 2020 Draft Pick 1.03

Year 2020 Draft Pick 2.01

Year 2020 Draft Pick 2.11

Got

Chubb

Hopkins

Pretty deep draft and I can regret this as soon as September. 

 

[ffmail4me]

Gave 

Year 2020 Draft Pick 1.01

Year 2020 Draft Pick 1.03

Year 2020 Draft Pick 2.01

Year 2020 Draft Pick 2.11

Got

Chubb

Hopkins

Pretty deep draft and I can regret this as soon as September. 

I hope you bought him dinner first. His bottom must be awfully sore right now. 

 

[Zyphros]

Gave 

Year 2020 Draft Pick 1.01

Year 2020 Draft Pick 1.03

Year 2020 Draft Pick 2.01

Year 2020 Draft Pick 2.11

Got

Chubb

Hopkins

Pretty deep draft and I can regret this as soon as September. 

Overall I like it for you, can't help but wonder by rookie draft time that you can probably get Chubb + just for 1.01.  

 

[Edgar]

I didn't look at it that way, so good point. My team is a contender, and even with Landry & ARob both being bench guys for me, I don't know if I could do it. Am I just overvaluing my guys?

Gallup and ARob had near identical yards in 2019, so their 2020 yardage is roughly a wash. If Amari Cooper moves on, I definitely bet on Gallup over ARob. Then Landry vs 1.04 2020 production could be similar if you take an RB so I just don’t get it. 
 

Not sure how the guy got to ditch aging assets (both ARob and Landry are entering their 7th years) for a 3rd year receiver already with a 1000 yard season + 1.04

 

[barackdhouse]

12 team FFPC :

  Team A gave two 2021 2nds (both late)
  Team B gave Mostert   

12 team FFPC Superflex :

  Team A gave Fant
  Team B gave Montgomery, 2.10

  Team C gave D Cook, Pollard, Edelman
  Team D gave Kittle, Jeffery, 2021 1st(middle who knows)

12 team FFPC style (disbands after 2020 jackpot season) :

  Team A gave Antonio Brown
  Team B gave 2.09

 

[menobrown]

Gave 

Year 2020 Draft Pick 1.01

Year 2020 Draft Pick 1.03

Year 2020 Draft Pick 2.01

Year 2020 Draft Pick 2.11

Got

Chubb

Hopkins

Pretty deep draft and I can regret this as soon as September. 

Huge trade but seems right to me, don't see it as one sided either way.

 

[menobrown]

12 team FFPC :

  Team A gave two 2021 2nds (both late)
  Team B gave Mostert   

  Team A gave Antonio Brown
  Team B gave 2.09

I'd prefer picks on first deal.

AB on the second, probably even in normal FFPC if I could squeeze him on my roster before cuts but for sure in what is essentially a redraft league at this point since you indicated it goes away after this year. If he does not play oh well, if he makes it back he's a difference maker. I'll take that shot.

 

[kutta]

Gave 

Year 2020 Draft Pick 1.01

Year 2020 Draft Pick 1.03

Year 2020 Draft Pick 2.01

Year 2020 Draft Pick 2.11

Got

Chubb

Hopkins

Pretty deep draft and I can regret this as soon as September. 

I’ll take Chubb and Hopkins pretty easily. We can’t expect 1.01 and 1.03 to be much better than Hopkins and Chubb, but there’s a chance they are a lot worse. The two seconds help but don’t close the gap for me.

 

[TartanLion]

James Conner, Aaron Rodgers and 4.07 

for 

Adam Thielen, Cam Newton and 3.11

I think there’s a chance this trade may be perceived negatively but ..

Im really bullish about Thielen going forward 

I’m convinced the Steelers are going to spend a high pick at RB due to injuries and sub optimal performances from Conner 

I hate Rodgers. I’m well aware I’ve probably undervalued him here, but he’s the one player I’ve wanted off my roster since I took over this orphan team. I’m game for taking a chance and seeing where Cam shakes out. 

 

[wgoldsph]

 There are a couple of players I own who I'd have a hard time trading for any package (e.g. Sutton), perhaps unless it was a ridiculous overpay.

I've experienced that a handful of times with certain players (this season its Godwin).  Whenever I'm offered a trade with them included I just let the other owner know I ridiculously overprice them and they're probably not willing to give up what it'll take.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

4. I'll take AB as he is likely to help more in 2020 than a player at 2.09

Very surprised to find people feel this way. I think anything not zero is greater than zero.

 

[barackdhouse]

Very surprised to find people feel this way. I think anything not zero is greater than zero.

That's where I'm at with this one. Even with just one year left to go in the league I'd rather have the 2.09. I suppose I should qualify in the OP that FFPC rookie drafts include free agents and with cuts to 16 in the offseason 2.09 can often land you a solid vet.

 

[barackdhouse]

The league disbands after 2020. If it didnt I would much rather have 2.09. It's been rumored Brady and AB are a package deal

AB is not going to get cleared to play. 

 

[menobrown]

AB is not going to get cleared to play. 

He will and he’s still a top 5 WR.

 

[RushHour]

Very surprised to find people feel this way. I think anything not zero is greater than zero.

Completely agree. I don't see any point rostering AB. I'd rather have a 6th round rookie pick or something.

Edit: there are obviously specific considerations for FFPC leagues (especially if disbanding shortly) but regardless, I think AB has zero value in dynasty leagues. I couldn't fathom paying a second round pick for him. 

 

[barackdhouse]

He will and he’s still a top 5 WR.

I agree with the top 5 part. I certainly agree he would have a market. I just don't believe. At all.

I'll say this. We always like to use the phrase "in a vacuum" but if I had a few other 2nd rounders in that neighborhood, and I do in one of these disbanding leagues, I would consider it. Just until regular season cutdown. Doing it now means he would have to be one of my 16. He would have to pull the most amazing 180 in the history of mental illness, though. I suppose Brandon Marshall is a good poster boy but AB seems much worse. And less likely to see the light. 

But I get it. He's a special player no doubt.

We will see... IF he does, he has a much higher 2020 ceiling than anyone who could possibly be selected 2.09. Even if he only plays a few games. 

Again, if the league was not disbanding after 2020 I'd be on the other side. 

ETA: with this being FFPC I would take 2.09. The 21st overall rookie is unlikely to make an impact in 2020, but with limited roster sizes this could be a vet that contributes. In that case I'd NOT take the chance on AB and I'd rather go for a vet... however with this being the last year, its possible those vets are cleaned up by the time pick 21 is on the clock... so idk where I stand on this. Cranberry 

Well any of us would probably take him over 2.09 if he did play. But I just don't see it. Then again I was totally wrong about the Tyreek Hill drama last year. Not that they compare.

 

[Gally]

I don't really like either side. I would take the Rodgers side if I had to pick a side. 

Cam Newton: He hasnt impressed me at all over the last 2 years. He looks checked out

Cam has been hurt for the last two years missing a total of 16 games and playing half of 2018 with a shoulder that needed surgery.  Not liking him because he is a huge injury risk is one thing but saying he has checked out when he has been far from 100% is an unfair categorization.  How can you say he looks checked out when he wasn't there to be checked in due to injury?

 

[menobrown]

I'll just say this on AB playing again.

I posted on these boards when Mike Vick got arrested. Was probably my least favorite time in history of being on these boards trying to argue with people who said he'd never play again.

Almost everyone posting here right now must remember the Tyreek Hill thread last year and I lost count of how many people said he was done.

Seems like rinse, repeat, same old argument to me.

I can't even think of an elite player that was not in jail that could not find his way back in the league(and no Kaepernick is not elite). I can't think of a single NFL player not serving a drug suspension that was suspended 16 games.

We got precedence here and that's what I'm going to follow.

 

[Gally]

I'll just say this on AB playing again.

I posted on these boards when Mike Vick got arrested. Was probably my least favorite time in history of being on these boards trying to argue with people who said he'd never play again.

Almost everyone posting here right now must remember the Tyreek Hill thread last year and I lost count of how many people said he was done.

Seems like rinse, repeat, same old argument to me.

I can't even think of an elite player that was not in jail that could not find his way back in the league(and no Kaepernick is not elite). I can't think of a single NFL player not serving a drug suspension that was suspended 16 games.

We got precedence here and that's what I'm going to follow.

I am not quite sure we have precedence here.  I don't think there has anybody that became a dumpster fire quite the way that Brown did over the last year.  There seems to be something wrong with his head.....its not just that he did something bad (Ray Rice) and won't get a chance.  He isn't on a team currently and basically went bat#### crazy in the course of a couple months.   I am sure stranger things have happened but I don't remember any player similar to the Brown situation and how it has played out thus far.

 

[RushHour]

I am not quite sure we have precedence here.  I don't think there has anybody that became a dumpster fire quite the way that Brown did over the last year.  There seems to be something wrong with his head.....its not just that he did something bad (Ray Rice) and won't get a chance.  He isn't on a team currently and basically went bat#### crazy in the course of a couple months.   I am sure stranger things have happened but I don't remember any player similar to the Brown situation and how it has played out thus far.

Was just about to post something similar. When you take into account his age and apparent mental state, I just don't see why a team would put themselves through the hassle. This is the NFL and it could happen I guess, but it just seems very unlikely to me. He would have almost no market. 

 

[menobrown]

I am not quite sure we have precedence here.  I don't think there has anybody that became a dumpster fire quite the way that Brown did over the last year.  There seems to be something wrong with his head.....its not just that he did something bad (Ray Rice) and won't get a chance.  He isn't on a team currently and basically went bat#### crazy in the course of a couple months.   I am sure stranger things have happened but I don't remember any player similar to the Brown situation and how it has played out thus far.

Ray Rice was coming off a horrendous season and washed up. Try again to come up with an elite player not allowed back in the game that was not behind bars. When you can then you can tell me we don't have precedence.

Sorry done with this topic. Starting to feel like Vick/Hill all over again and don't care to argue all over again with people saying these players are done.

I'd take AB over 2.9 and that's the end for me on this.

 

[Gally]

He looked checked out "all of last season" prior to being hurt. He looked like he didnt even care 

He was never not hurt last season.  He got hurt in preseason game 3 and limped through 2 games when he couldn't move or run.  I see that more as frustration than not caring.  He couldn't move.....which is what his game/emotion is built on. 

 

[Gally]

Ray Rice was coming off a horrendous season and washed up. Try again to come up with an elite player not allowed back in the game that was not behind bars. When you can then you can tell me we don't have precedence.

Sorry done with this topic. Starting to feel like Vick/Hill all over again and don't care to argue all over again with people saying these players are done.

I'd take AB over 2.9 and that's the end for me on this.

I am not doubting that players get second/third/4th chances.  What I don't see is a precedent of a player acting like Brown.  He went bat#### crazy.  Forced his way out of Pit and Oak.  Had a short fling with NE until he was so crazy they decided to just move on.  It wasn't that his criminal record was the problem.  It's his mind that is the problem.  I just haven't seen any other player have this type of situation regardless of them coming back or not coming back.  Where is the comp to what AB has done?  I just don't see one. 

 

[barackdhouse]

I don't think Cam checked out I think he just comes across that way to some. Watched All or Nothing on Prime and convinced me he has a fire as a competitor. I like him. I think he is plenty driven. 

@menobrownwhen I said AB won't get cleared I was thinking specifically of 2020. I'm betting against it after that as well but I wouldn't rule it out. Tyreek and Vick each had youth on their side where AB doesn't. But I've also said I thought AB could be elite thru 35. 

I'll take AB talk over on his thread (which I avoided for the last 3 months until today and now feel dumber for having caught up with).

 

[Gally]

when I've seen him play or even in interviews he seems like he doesn't care. I want nothing to do with him in dynasty. 

I think he is damaged goods but it has nothing to do with his attitude.  I just think he has taken a beating and his body is broken down.  Although, it wouldn't surprise me if he had a serviceable year (if he is healthy - which is a huge if) next year.  For the right price I might take a flyer as a backup in a SF type league or if I was desperate and could get him for nothing. 

 

[smbkrypt24]

After reviewing this thread I made a deal. 12 team PPR.

Gave: Harmon, 2020 2nd (late- defending champ)

Received: A. Brown, 2020 3rd (early- rebuild mode)

 

[Edgar]

I don’t buy the Brady and AB are a package deal for one second. Why in the world would Tom, the most stable NFL player, hitch his wagon to the most unstable player? 

 

[smbkrypt24]

Depends on where 2nd and 3rd are

I edited to show where the picks are projected to be.  Late 2nd and early 3rd most likely.

 

[menobrown]

@menobrownwhen I said AB won't get cleared I was thinking specifically of 2020. I'm betting against it after that as well but I wouldn't rule it out. Tyreek and Vick each had youth on their side where AB doesn't. But I've also said I thought AB could be elite thru 35. 

I'll take AB talk over on his thread (which I avoided for the last 3 months until today and now feel dumber for having caught up with).

I did not want to muck this thread up with AB talk not related to direct trade. Would be more interested in discussing it in his thread but that might be the worst thread going. Someone posts an update and then like 4-5 people chime in he's an idiot, clown, never going to play again as if everyone feels better once they get a shot in. I really am serious when I say I look back at the Vick and Hill threads and thought it was bang my head up against a wall exhausting trying to convince people they were not done. I took a break on these boards from around early summer to most of last season because I just got tired of round and round type of arguments and try to avoid it now or I'd just as soon stop visiting and posting again. I think he plays again, and in 2020, many of you don't. It's cool to disagree. I  don't mean any disrespect to anyone when I say I don't see what points we are going to raise to change each other's opinions so it's one of those round and round things I try and avoid these days so when I say I don't want to discuss it any more I'm not trying to be rude, really the opposite.

I don’t buy the Brady and AB are a package deal for one second. Why in the world would Tom, the most stable NFL player, hitch his wagon to the most unstable player? 

This will be last post on AB in this  in this thread not related to direct trade.

I don't and never have thought they were a package deal. That makes no sense to me. I don't think Brady is going to Oakland but no way are they taking AB back so and no way would Brady let that stand in the way if that's what he decided to do.

The Brady angle means very little to me with respect to my belief he returns. His role in AB returning, which I think we can all agree he still has to get past the league first, would be similar to the role Russell Wilson played last year trying to get Seattle to sign AB. He advocated for him, he's a powerful voice in the franchise,  SEA did due diligence and passed. AB detractors can say they passed because AB was being AB, I think they passed because part of that due diligence was realizing it was moot to sign a guy the league was just going to put on exempt list.

So no I don't think it's a package deal. Brady is just a potential advocate for him and he needs as many of those as he can get.

 

[TartanLion]

I don't really like either side. I would take the Rodgers side if I had to pick a side. 

Conner: I agree I dont see him with long term stability. However I dont see him going away. I can see PIT drafting a guy like CEH to be a receiving back and let Conner handle the running and GL. 

Rodgers is a decent sell and probably overrated in fantasy at this stage of his career, but IMO the offense gets major help this year and he could be in for a big season

Thielen: I get it... I just see him near the end of his rope without much long term value. Cousins is a FA after this year, Cook may walk, and even Thielen himself may be a cap casualty for 2021. A lot of uncertainty there that has me kind of selling this offense as a whole. I like Diggs as a guy who could be traded to a better situation after this season. 

Cam Newton: He hasnt impressed me at all over the last 2 years. He looks checked out

So for this trade I see Conner and Rodgers who can both be starters this year, vs Thielen who can be a starter and Cam who is likely a QB2 or worse. 

Long term I dont see a lot of value from this lot. May get some top QB production from Rodgers for 3 more years, but I cant say the same about anyone else in this deal. I get it though...and I dont think you got ripped off; I just prefer the players on other side 

No probs at all thanks for the reply. I’m probably contending this coming season, just think Thielen will have a big bounce back,  and Steelers used half their combine interviews on the top RBs, I could see them taking one on day 2. The rest of the trade is meh and at least partially borne out of me not wanting Rodgers on my team, but I reckon Thielen outscores Conner across the next 2-3 years. 

 

[barackdhouse]

It's cool to disagree. I  don't mean any disrespect to anyone when I say I don't see what points we are going to raise to change each other's opinions so it's one of those round and round things I try and avoid these days so when I say I don't want to discuss it any more I'm not trying to be rude, really the opposite.

You're all good man. I felt like I was maybe mucking it up here. His thread really does suck. Hard not to get into an AB discussion when he gets traded. I don't mind when the trade thread goes off course a little. Not even saying that happened here. Just wanted to be preemptive since it's AB.

 

[menobrown]

James Conner, Aaron Rodgers and 4.07 

for 

Adam Thielen, Cam Newton and 3.11

I think there’s a chance this trade may be perceived negatively but ..

Im really bullish about Thielen going forward 

I’m convinced the Steelers are going to spend a high pick at RB due to injuries and sub optimal performances from Conner 

I hate Rodgers. I’m well aware I’ve probably undervalued him here, but he’s the one player I’ve wanted off my roster since I took over this orphan team. I’m game for taking a chance and seeing where Cam shakes out. 

I'd take Rodgers over Cam by a little more then the difference in the 3.11 vs 4.07 so that part of the trade I give slight bump to other side but it's pretty minimal unless QB is really hard to obtain in this league.

I totally agree with you on Thielen and think he's a good buy who should have a few more good years left and so I favor your side.

I would just add on Conner. I've consistently been as low on him as anyone on these boards but I've come around on thinking he's good to move now and think he's someone I'd rather hold and try and move later, as in after the draft if not after the season. You are correct that Steelers are looking at tons of Rb's and they might draft one high. That's a risk but the counter to that is the odds are in favor of that not happening mainly since they don't have many high picks. We might define high picks differently, and a pick around at 99 and 102  is solid as RB goes (I personally use loose rule of thumb as top 75 pick as premium for RB) but the only pick they have before that 99 is 49. I may not be high on Conner but my money would be on him retaining his job over anyone they pick at 99 or later.  If they use that pick at 49 on a RB you exited perfectly in time. I hate selling low so I think I might have risked it, hoped I got past that one shot they currently have at 49, and then moved Conner for more after the draft or if need be wait till season and if he's healthy to start he'd be an optimal time to move him because at the end of the day I'm not high on his longterm future but think he's be the opening day starter and when the bullets start flying for real everyone needs a RB.

All that being said I still prefer your side of the deal.

 

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I'd take Rodgers over Cam by a little more then the difference in the 3.11 vs 4.07 so that part of the trade I give slight bump to other side but it's pretty minimal unless QB is really hard to obtain in this league.

I totally agree with you on Thielen and think he's a good buy who should have a few more good years left and so I favor your side.

I would just add on Conner. I've consistently been as low on him as anyone on these boards but I've come around on thinking he's good to move now and think he's someone I'd rather hold and try and move later, as in after the draft if not after the season. You are correct that Steelers are looking at tons of Rb's and they might draft one high. That's a risk but the counter to that is the odds are in favor of that not happening mainly since they don't have many high picks. We might define high picks differently, and a pick around at 99 and 102  is solid as RB goes (I personally use loose rule of thumb as top 75 pick as premium for RB) but the only pick they have before that 99 is 49. I may not be high on Conner but my money would be on him retaining his job over anyone they pick at 99 or later.  If they use that pick at 49 on a RB you exited perfectly in time. I hate selling low so I think I might have risked it, hoped I got past that one shot they currently have at 49, and then moved Conner for more after the draft or if need be wait till season and if he's healthy to start he'd be an optimal time to move him because at the end of the day I'm not high on his longterm future but think he's be the opening day starter and when the bullets start flying for real everyone needs a RB.

All that being said I still prefer your side of the deal.

That's where I'm at. And I agree with what you consider a premium pick for a RB. I do like Conner probably more than you but mostly I just don't think it makes sense for them to draft over him right now. Could be wrong. I'm betting against it. Not a lot.