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The advantage that Mahomes gives you is that he is a set it and forget it top 5 guy week in and week out with a greater than 50% change of being the top QB each week. There is value in that even if you can find other QB's that "can" score similarly at times.
Yeah, I can see that. I’m not a fan of paying a lot for QBs, but definitely understand why people do it.
Gosh, love OBJ and his ceiling each year but really think you could have bought lower. Not a bad trade though.
Really? Lower than a guy with major questions, that even if answered puts him at a #2, and a random second two years out?
I think it is probably this for me. Are we just ready to mail it in on Reagor? I typically don't like to sell my 1st round pick a year later and include another pick for a guy I am down on. I think that days of forcefeeding OBJ are done, but... maybe I am wrong.
Appreciate the thoughts here folks. For some added context, I am a contending team and think I have another decent shot at a run but needed something better than Amari and Julio after Diggs (we start 2-5 WR's). I just acquired Reagor earlier this off-season as part of a package deal so am not worried about selling a 1st as it wasn't mine.
Just felt like for this year (and maybe the foreseeable future) that Beckham is worth taking the shot on here, particularly with that pick being two years out.
The context does sway my opinion. I like OBJ's immediate impact over Reagor's. The pick being late is a good thing, but I just hate giving up 1st and 2nd round picks in any year. It makes sense for you though, based on your approach to the next couple seasons.Appreciate the thoughts here folks. For some added context, I am a contending team and think I have another decent shot at a run but needed something better than Amari and Julio after Diggs (we start 2-5 WR's). I just acquired Reagor earlier this off-season as part of a package deal so am not worried about selling a 1st as it wasn't mine.
He didn't give up a first round pick. Reagor isn't that anymore so you aren't giving up a first. Thinking of assets that way can really hinder you from making quality deals. Once you make a pick of a player the pick you used is irrelevant.
I agree. The only time that works is if it's right after the draft, or if the value of the player is held constant because the player has done nothing to elevate nor deflate his status.
Yep. Kind of like poker when a new card is revealed or a new bet made and the landscape shifts. How you got there matters but nothing outweighs the present. Reagor just isn't worth much now. Aces get cracked on the turn sometimes. Not that Reagor was Aces but still.
This is high but I have no problem paying it if your team is set otherwise. A bit much in 1 QB league but so be it. Most of those picks aren't high end anyways.
Definitely would prefer the Debo/Kupp side but don’t think it’s worthy of a protest.
Not worth a protest, not even close. Value is on the Kupp/Deebo side but I put a higher value on Carter then any player in the deal and if someone needs a RB or just wants to speculate on Carters value it all just seems reasonable to me.
Personally I mailed it in on reagor before his first snap. Getting anything for him is a steal.
I feel dumb but... Carter and Edwards who?
I love Carter but would take Deebo and Kupp...the #3 and Edwards needs to have more meat...there is absolutely no reason to protest this trade and the owner doing so seems like a pain in the butt.
Not even close to bad enough to be a protest. Watch this owner. PITA written all over him/her.
Michael Carter of UNC fame and now Jets RB, I'm assuming.
I'm still not sure who we're talking about here but this is a great rule of thumb. Maybe the guy's pissed that he could have gotten my favorite wr and Kupp for cheap and he didn't know?
I like OBJ side here by a lot. This is making me think maybe I move Reagor while he still has this kind of value. I saw a stat of probability of a WR hitting if they have like sub 600 yards in year 1 or whatever the threshold was. It was not good at all. Like sub 1% chances.
Yep - there’s like 40 Deebos and Kupps in the league right now.
Michael Carter and Bryn Edwards, I’m assuming.
I'm still not sure who we're talking about here but this is a great rule of thumb. Maybe the guy's pissed that he could have gotten my favorite wr and Kupp for cheap and he didn't know?
I am in agreement with the rest of the group here in that there is no need for protest.
If you click accept from MFL in our league in your email notifying you and giving you options, it accepts right away. So don't do it, Gally. I was stunned when it happened to me. Thankfully it was a trade I really wanted.
That is the excuse that was given to the few guys that have done it in the league I Commish. I was surprised when I first heard it as I never accept/decline anything off the email notification. I always go to the site because I usually do a last check of stats/roster/etc before pulling the trigger. But good info to know.
Yeah, I normally would go through the main site, too. This was about straight picks for picks, so there was really no need to check anything. It's quite a smart thing to check stats and roster first before accepting anything. I'll be sure to keep that in mind from now. Injury check and what have you.
Ok well thanks for the feedback everyone. I edited above but yes it was Bryan Edwards not Gus. It was only one owner that complained and so far nobody else has said anything so it looks like it will hold up.
I didn't even know that you could protest a trade of FFPC. Look out Shark Pool League!
They don't overturn things unless it is obvious collusion or a mistake. Nor should they really. I've seen some really bad tanking that goes unchecked unless someone reports it, though.
I'm not that huge of a fan, but I'm also not a scout. I would have loved to have Sermon over him. In a heartbeat. The Jets seem like they like him. Like I've said elsewhere, it would not surprise me if they went dumpster diving after other teams' final cuts by picking off guys the other teams hope to have on their practice squads. Herbert is a guy they were rumored to have liked, and he's no guarantee to win a spot in Chicago. The guys in SF -- should one of them get cut -- are an option. The guys in Indy, whoever doesn't make it among Hines, Wilkins, Mack, Deon Jackson out of Duke, etc.
I didn't know that because like @Gallyrockaction said:
I don't like the jets as a whole. Not as bad as Houston, but they're in the bottom of my offensive rankings. I do think it's a bad trade for the Carter side, but I agree with the majority of the opinions that unless it's possible to prove collusion then you just have to let it slide.barackdhouse said:
This seems light to me for Zeke personally. I don't have him but no way I sell him for this without a good pick included. I also don't think I'd trade Monty for 1.09 and 2.04 personally. He probably isn't as good as last year but he is young and coming off of a RB4 season. Nothing terrible but I'm not a big fan of either of these moves.Smokin Okie said:
I think this is terrible. That 3rd should be a 1st at very minimum. However, I don't view Deebo or Kupp as worth a 1st by themselves and Carter has gone at the back of the 1st in some of the drafts I have seen. I don't think it is worthy of a protest but it is a very bad trade and Team A will ruin his team if he keeps making moves like this.barackdhouse said:
I'm going to say one thing about Deebo and then I'll shut up.barackdhouse said:
Lol ok. I tried to get late 1sts for those guys all offseason before the draft and nobody wanted to do it. Carter went 1.09 and now it is bad? Weird. This team is in full rebuild mode anyway. It is ok we usually disagree pretty strongly.
Nobody is offering a 1st for Deebo in this league. And top 20 production is ok but there a 100 WRs I can get to do that. This is a starting RB that is known for his pass catching skills on what should be an ascending offense. And this project rebuilding team had Lindsay as it's RB2 until now. I am really surprised people are that high on these two receivers.
Disrespect taken.
Honestly, it sounds like you were trying to sell just to sell. If Lindsey was your rb2 and from what I've extrapolated you don't think you're competing this year anyway, you were probably better served waiting for training camp and early season injuries to roll in before picking up next year 1sts from teams that get hit hard at wr.
Yes the trade was very bad value and the guy getting CEH is throwing parties. The guy who traded up to get CEH last year gave up the 1.07 and a future 1st and 2nd and now gets back Gage, a projected playoff 1st and 2.10 and 3.11.
