Birdie048
Footballguy
Potential to be good for both!!
Looks fair to me but I guess the 1st exchange is more boasting move??
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums
This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!
****OFFICIAL DYNASTY TRADES**** (25 Viewers)
- Thread starter Gottabesweet
- Start date
Looks fair to me but I guess the 1st exchange is more boasting move??
sushinsky4tsar
Footballguy
I'm Team B in this equation and this is also where I landed, along with barackdhouse. I definitely don't think it's a cheap price for Hockenson, but I'm bullish enough on what the targets might look like this season that I considered it a decent price for what I'm expecting to be a really nice trading chip. Already have Kelce and Goedert, so this was definitely a matter of liking the price, the trade demand / liquidity for quality TEs and hoping that he can take a step closer to Waller levels of production or at least hold steady in the top 5-6.
Not a TE premium, but 1QB Empire with 4.5 year life expectancy. Between that and none of the Round 2s looking like prime territory for RBs, I took the gamble. I actually like the idea of drafting in the 4th with no attachments this season. There were lot of guys I liked pre-draft that have been buried because of perceived lack of any opportunity in 2021. Also, it's easy to feel "married" to your 2.12 and pass on free agent pickups making some noise that are just as worthy of the spot. I'm sure a lot of people missed out on a James Robinson because there was no way they were going to scrap their 3rd before the season started.
sushinsky4tsar
Footballguy
Straight up, I have no problem planting a flag on Carter at the price of Lockett. Carter has a path to top 40 dynasty asset that Lockett doesn't. Replacing Lockett isn't an impossible feat.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I have had success (luck) doing this (swapping picks). Although I prefer getting an “option” to switch future picks versus this method.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Solid as they come. I am high on Carter as he lacks competition in a new regime that picked him. Lot of good pieces in NYJ. Age alone favors the Carter side. The Lockett owner in my league has been trying g to sell for a year with no takers.
That said, it’s possible the this year the Jets offense struggled with a new QB/coach/staff. If so, touches could be limited as a domino effect.
But that said, that’s worst case scenario. I love this deal for you.
Boston
Footballguy
This deal makes no sense to me for the new Lockett Owner...Carter is far from a definite but it is easy to see he has a path to being very fantasy relevant and young RBs that are in that situation carry a lot of weight...Lockett is a nice player but he will be 29 years old in September and at this point we know exactly what he is and he is not the player to be targeting in this type of deal...in Dynasty these are the type of deals that have a chance to set a team back and it is obvious to see before you even make the deal.
Last edited by a moderator:
rockaction
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Agree. With the depth at WR now, Lockett should have little value especially in dynasty given his age. Carter is being taken somewhere between 1.10 - 2.02 in rookie drafts. Unless the new Lockett owner thinks his team is soooo much better than his trading partner's - and with a move like this that seems doubtful to be the reality - this deal makes zero sense.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
My team really isn't that great. It isn't a lock but I am sure the other owner thinks it is. It is enough to factor into this deal, though. His team isn't doing anything though and Lockett does less for his chances than Carter would have, IMO.
Marauder
Footballguy
My first reaction was if he's trading Carter for Lockett he must think he's a contender.
Ominous Johnson
Footballguy
1/2 ppr
gave Irv Smith
got Gallup
gave Irv Smith
got Gallup
Boston
Footballguy
I would take Smith due to position scarcity...Gallup is a good player and he does have upside should he land in a great spot next year or if the Cowboys decide to commit to him instead of Cooper (that would be the big risk to me) but there are a lot of WRs out there right now and I don't see him getting to a level that you will really regret dealing him...Smith is far from a definite but he will only be 23 in August and he just looks the part...if he hits you have a chance to solidly the TE position for quite some time...I am someone who does not want to deal with musical chairs at TE so I would make this deal and hope Smith becomes a top 10 TE for a sustained period of time...if not, I don't think the downside of dealing Gallup is something that will haunt you.
Last edited by a moderator:
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I think this is pretty fair as I do like Gallup starting next year (I believe he leaves Dallas or they move on from Cooper) but I'd probably lean towards Smith due to TEs being hard to find and he is someone I think breaks out this year a little. I can definitely see both sides.
wlwiles
Footballguy
what does this leave you with at TE? as long as youre not barren now, i think it's a good deal for you. I don't see Irv being anything more than what Kyle Rudolph was in his prime, which is a low end TE1 but with not much chance at ever really finishing above TE5-6 so I like taking the upside of Gallup
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
16 team PPR, IDP
Traded 3 2021 2nd round picks…
#23, #24, #27
FOR
Claypool
2021 pick #37
feel like this was a very cheap price to get Claypool
Traded 3 2021 2nd round picks…
#23, #24, #27
FOR
Claypool
2021 pick #37
feel like this was a very cheap price to get Claypool
lardonastick
Footballguy
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
This is way cheap for Claypool. I would have jumped at that. They are late 2nds at that.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
Think I'd have no problem paying this for Adams. I have Adams and wouldn't sell him for that.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
It’s a fair deal. I can’t decide which side I’d prefer. The drama in GB mixed with Rodgers longevity (or lack thereof) cs Adams talent....but Adams has also had his share of injuries. & he turns 29 in December.
2022 Late 1st/ 2021 early 2nd could be a couple of nice players.
for a win-now team this could be a great deal on Adams if he stays healthy.
At the same time, team rebuild got a nice package for him. I woulda thought it would take a little more.
kutta
Footballguy
BespokeJort
Footballguy
Wasn’t Lockett like wr9?
I guess I’m well in the minority here and he’ll never be the sexiest name in a trade but gimme the low-end WR1 in his prime/a productive offense over a 4th round rookie Jets RB if I’m a contender, fairly easily.
He seems like the type of wr whose game ages gracefully, too. I expect he’ll retire off my roster and that’s fine
Something like that, though a 200 yard 3 TD week will do that for you, haha. I think that's always been my biggest problem with him-consistency. Sure, last year he was a top-10 WR, and he probably single-handedly won his owners weeks 3 and 7. But he also failed to even crack double-digit points in seven other weeks, with several other 10-12 point weeks. And that's in PPR. 2019 was much the same. A big week 3 and week 9, and then a bunch of pedestrian performances that you could've got from guys off the waiver wire.
I would suspect last year will be his best fantasy season of his career. He'll be 29 in September, after all. Carter could never amount to much of anything, but the reward outweighs the risk imo.
BespokeJort
Footballguy
It may well be, but he was wr13 in 2019 and wr15 in 2018 so he’s been steadily improving (as the hawks pass more) and on the strong wr2/weak wr1 borderline for awhile now. 29 is not that old for a wr who wins on polished routes and sticky hands. And the more dominant DK gets the more he can avoid double teams and just shred CB2’s. I think he’s gonna be productive for awhile, even if you think he loses a step in the next few years (which isn’t an automatic at 29–it’s more that the guys who get hurt sometimes lose all value).
The inconsistency is fairly common among even high scoring wrs, in my experience. Sure, he’s no prime Michael Thomas, but prime Michael Thomas wasn’t getting traded straight up (ish) for 4th round rookie rbs.
On a true contender I love a guy who just straight up wins me a couple weeks and posts a bunch of double digit games most of the rest of the time. Someone else can blow up and win my my week on those couple of 4 pointers. If he’s your only good player yeah you should def trade him for the Carter types
Ominous Johnson
Footballguy
I have Kelce and Trautman
Kelce may not have too many years left but I feel pretty safe through 2022 with him. Hoping Trautman takes a decent step this year.
Like Gallup’s upside next year.
Worth the gamble I thought.
Wanted to provide an update to this previous posting, as the follow-up is comical (to me anyway and I felt the need to share). The trade below was universally considered a terrible deal for Team A (both in my league and in some of the comments in this thread).
To the point made by myself and others about never receiving the sweet lopsided offers and instead receiving the opposite, Team A offered me Roethlisberger for Wentz, straight-up. Smh.
Wanted to reply with I would've traded Wentz for Gibson and his 2022 1st, but didn't think that would have been well received.
Edit: Forgot to add that the Team A owner made a previous trade where he traded away Claypool + Pollard for Damien Harris, 2nd, 3rd, 4th (all 2022)
To the point made by myself and others about never receiving the sweet lopsided offers and instead receiving the opposite, Team A offered me Roethlisberger for Wentz, straight-up. Smh.
Wanted to reply with I would've traded Wentz for Gibson and his 2022 1st, but didn't think that would have been well received.
Edit: Forgot to add that the Team A owner made a previous trade where he traded away Claypool + Pollard for Damien Harris, 2nd, 3rd, 4th (all 2022)
I never seem to get lopsided offers in my favor, only the other kind which I post in the 'Bad trade offers' thread.
Now I have to figure out how to target those same fish. The problem I find is that they tend to skew to the other extreme when I try to have trade talks with them, trying to get over on me to recoup the value they lost. Maybe it's because they realize that they lost a previously trade badly and are afraid to make the same mistakes.
Last edited by a moderator:
Tyreek is commonly thought to be inconsistent and very boom/busty, but he only had one game last year where he didn’t score double digit points in PPR, compared to seven for Lockett. He also averaged nearly 7 more points per week. Adam’s had one, and Diggs didn’t have any. I actually find the elite guys to be pretty consistent from year to year. Granted, that’s why they’re drafted in the first round or second round of drafts, as well.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I think the widely held belief is that Metcalf is an ascending player & will potentially command a greater target share. They also invested a 2nd in Eskridge, who will likely also command some targets.
My other concern about the situation is that the Seahawks shifted gears pretty dramatically towards the run game, which is really more of a normalization since Carroll loves to run the ball. It’s why I believe Carson is a great value this year.
So with more competition for targets & potentially less passing, plus age & a track record of weekly inconsistency, I’m avoiding Lockett this year. Would much rather have Carter.
sushinsky4tsar
Footballguy
Based on the Russ grease fire seeming to die down, I actually think that this might be an indication that they're going to let Russ cook this season, or at least that's what they told him. That would seem to be an advantage to Lockett, but as stated above, the other indication was the prioritization of Eskridge in the draft, as well as UDFA darling Cade Johnson. There's a fair chance that the WR3 is more of a factor this season, which wouldn't help Lockett. This also might be an indication that Lockett won't be extended.
For the Carter truthers, any concern that pass-blocking will prevent him from running away with a featured role? It's rumored to be quite pitiful.
For the Carter truthers, any concern that pass-blocking will prevent him from running away with a featured role? It's rumored to be quite pitiful.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I wouldn’t describe myself as a “Carter truther”, but there’s not a lot of competition for carries on the roster. The guys who are there are pretty mediocre RBs.
Pass pro is always a factor, but I expect something of a RBBC there regardless. I don’t think it effects his workload.
sushinsky4tsar
Footballguy
Yeah, I kind of see it as RBBC where clearly Carter is the one to own. However, I like Lockett enough that I think you're definitely banking on Carter to eventually take the job, or at least be the clear lead in the committee.
I'm not sure that the pass pro is so bad that it prevents that from happening, but considering we're talking about a 4th rounder, I think it's a worthy consideration. It's not like I have been breaking down film of this guy's protection skills, it's just a recent Waldman note from the podcast. I also think Cecil called this out when he was in Mobile.
I'm not sure that the pass pro is so bad that it prevents that from happening, but considering we're talking about a 4th rounder, I think it's a worthy consideration. It's not like I have been breaking down film of this guy's protection skills, it's just a recent Waldman note from the podcast. I also think Cecil called this out when he was in Mobile.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I do trust Waldman, so if he says it’s an issue, I believe him.
But yeah - I agree with everything you said here. You’re definitely hoping he’s the lead back, and/or the back at the stripe.
if his protection isn’t great they may go to 2-back sets, so it’s not always a deal killer. There are a lot of unknowns in NY with this new staff & roster changes. Hard to j ow what’s coming, TBH.
Lockett is a frustrating player to own - his boom weeks keep him in your lineups but his bust weeks are way too frequent. I’d rather have a more consistent WR2 type give me 10-12 a week than a guy who’s gonna pop 30 then give me almost nothing for the next 2 games. I had Lockett a couple years ago when his weekly swings were less dramatic. I was glad I didn’t have him last year. His EOY stats were deceiving. It was all based on like 3 huge games.
sushinsky4tsar
Footballguy
As a third down back, I think Carter was always going to be an "out wide" back anyway.
I get the frustration with Lockett. Last year, would it be fair to say he started out gangbusters and the downfall directly correlated with the change in offensive direction? From that standpoint, I might be interested in my redraft under the premise that maybe Russ did win some offseason tug-of-war and they're going to open it up much like the first half of 2020. That said, we have a potential third WR of consequence and have probably seen Lockett at his best. Also, probably fair to say that Lockett's inconsistency pre-dates 2020.
Overall, I have no issue trading Lockett for Carter. I endorse it. It just seems like maybe the Carter steam might be running a tad hot right now. On draft day, I suggested that the opportunity on the Jets pushed Carter into the end of my round 1 draft board, and seemed to get a fair amount of pushback on that take. Now, I'm getting the sense that some people might be considering him over Waddle and Smith, or at least he's the next guy up. Personally, if I'm relatively equal at RB and WR, I would have a hard time taking him before Elijah Moore.
I get the frustration with Lockett. Last year, would it be fair to say he started out gangbusters and the downfall directly correlated with the change in offensive direction? From that standpoint, I might be interested in my redraft under the premise that maybe Russ did win some offseason tug-of-war and they're going to open it up much like the first half of 2020. That said, we have a potential third WR of consequence and have probably seen Lockett at his best. Also, probably fair to say that Lockett's inconsistency pre-dates 2020.
Overall, I have no issue trading Lockett for Carter. I endorse it. It just seems like maybe the Carter steam might be running a tad hot right now. On draft day, I suggested that the opportunity on the Jets pushed Carter into the end of my round 1 draft board, and seemed to get a fair amount of pushback on that take. Now, I'm getting the sense that some people might be considering him over Waddle and Smith, or at least he's the next guy up. Personally, if I'm relatively equal at RB and WR, I would have a hard time taking him before Elijah Moore.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
When he was there at 2.02 I tried hard to deal up to get him, but 2.02 wanted him so no dice.
id have no problem paying a 1.11-2.04 range for him on the chance he takes over that backfield.
slackjawedyokel
Footballguy
16t ppr qrwwtffkddddddd $450 cap
Sent JK Dobbins $20, Chark $1, Darnold $7
Received Kamara $28 and Tua $15
Sent JK Dobbins $20, Chark $1, Darnold $7
Received Kamara $28 and Tua $15
12tm SF
Sam Darnold, Ezekiel Elliott
FOR
Trevor Lawrence
Sam Darnold, Ezekiel Elliott
FOR
Trevor Lawrence
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I like it. All comes down to whether Lawrence hits, but that goes without saying.
EE should bounce back to some degree, as I didn’t think you ever fully recovered from COVID last year, but I can’t see them just benching Pollard after what he contributed. That might shake out to be more of a committee than people think.
some may be down on this deal simply because Lawrence is an unknown and Ezekiel Elliott is still perceived as “elite“.
But if you posted that you traded Ezekiel Elliott and Sam Darnold for the 1.01, most folks would say you got a good deal.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
This feels to me like an owner that took one of the first offers he got. I feel had he put Adams on the block to everyone in the league and had some patience he could have got a decent amount more. None of the players that they will get in Lockett, a late 1st next year in what could be a weak draft, and an early 2nd this year are going to be difference makers most likely.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I don't mind this on either side. If I was trying to win I'd take the Zeke side. You could also do worse in SF than Lawrence when selling on Zeke. Probably pretty even but I normally like to win so I'll go with the Zeke side but I also don't play SF in Dynasty.
Twenty-Four Eighty-Four
Footballguy
12 Team PPR
Team A got Amari Cooper, 2023 1st (should be late)
Team B got Terry McLaurin
Team A got Amari Cooper, 2023 1st (should be late)
Team B got Terry McLaurin
TVT 0 N S T A
Footballguy
I'll take team A, given the free first. Dak seems to love Cooper. Granted, B is getting a younger player by 2 years but I don't see a large enough production gap to necessitate a 1st round pick, regardless of how far down the line it is.
foxco
Footballguy
SF I'm leaning Lawrence pretty easily, though this is based on the assumption that Darnold is no longer starting in a year or so. He could surprise I guess.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I like Terry here because the 1st is late and Cooper is nicked up, but the perceived age difference is misleading. Terry is only 15 months younger despite playing 4 less seasons, for what that’s worth.
