Hot Sauce Guy
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this dude was surely thrilled in 2017 & 2018 when this pick rewarded him with 2 spectacular season.
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this dude was surely thrilled in 2017 & 2018 when this pick rewarded him with 2 spectacular season.
Dr. Octopus
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We'll have to disagree on this one. Obviously the Steelers could still be downgraded at QB next season though (i.e. Mason Rudolph).
smbkrypt24
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smbkrypt24
Footballguy
12 team PPR. start 1 QB. QRWFFTDK.
Team A gave: Irv Smith, T. Marshall, 2022 1st (lottery pick so equal chance 1-6), 1.08
Team B gave: K. Pitts, R. Tannehill, 2.09, 2022 3rd (top 6)
Team A gave: Irv Smith, T. Marshall, 2022 1st (lottery pick so equal chance 1-6), 1.08
Team B gave: K. Pitts, R. Tannehill, 2.09, 2022 3rd (top 6)
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Total sell high on Renfrow. A good season, yes. Don’t think he’s worth a 1st. His numbers were inflated by an injured / absent Waller, IMO.
Gimme that ‘23 1st allllll day.
Blick
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Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I have been playing fantasy for almost 15 years and never seen a draft this ridiculous. RBs are way too important. Surprised a league as a whole did this.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Like I said - check out Gurley’s next 2 seasons. Steal of the draft.
Jonesin For Some Football
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Marauder
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Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I guess but I don't care what year it is, not having a RB go until 11 is kind of crazy no matter the year, team, or anything you can think of. I remember the zero RB crazy that year but in most of my leagues, there was still at least half of the 1st round was still RBs.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
To be fair though, I mostly don't play full PPR as I think that is too much love for catches. I play .5 PPR mostly, 1 full PPR but didn't have it that year, and 2 standard scoring that the leagues are full of old school guys.
Trevor Lawrence is a high-leverage dynasty trading piece this offseason. If you see massive upside, there's buying opportunities. Would rather get an older veteran(+) for him? That's possible to as a pivot off of shares.
When the big piece is that much bigger than anything else .... nothing else matters much. I want to be team B.
Russ - dynasty I'm looking at next 3 years, Lawrence is basically less than a rookie since he has to unlearn bad things. Even if he turns out to be what some hoped you are 2-4 yrs down the road
Renfrow - PPR easy choice for me
1.10 - probably pretty even but not a Cooper fan and I like the rookie WR available at 1.10
northern exposure
Footballguy
Obviously some people haven’t heard that the 2022 rookie draft class will be weak and the 2023 will be far superior.
12 team SF PPR Dynasty
Team A gives: (2022) 2.09 and 2.12 picks
Team B gives: 2023 1st
Same two teams make another trade.
Team A gives: Rashaad Penny
Team B gives: Chris Evans, (2022) 2.09, 2.12 and 3.06 picks
Then Team A flips the picks again for another 2023 1st.
Team A gives: (2022) 2.09, 2.12 and 3.12 picks
Team C gives: 2023 1st
So Team A flipped the 2022 2nds for a 2023 1st, reacquired them and then added a late 3rd to them and flipped them again for a 2023 1st.
12 team SF PPR Dynasty
Team A gives: (2022) 2.09 and 2.12 picks
Team B gives: 2023 1st
Same two teams make another trade.
Team A gives: Rashaad Penny
Team B gives: Chris Evans, (2022) 2.09, 2.12 and 3.06 picks
Then Team A flips the picks again for another 2023 1st.
Team A gives: (2022) 2.09, 2.12 and 3.12 picks
Team C gives: 2023 1st
So Team A flipped the 2022 2nds for a 2023 1st, reacquired them and then added a late 3rd to them and flipped them again for a 2023 1st.
ghostguy123
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barackdhouse
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frae
Footballguy
I'll be curious to see who lands here, but with a weak QB class and no rb locked into rd 1 of the NFL draft I am not sure 1.10 will look that great. If you are taking a rookie WR vs Cooper I'll take Cooper he has 5 top 24 seasons which is a very safe floor whereas the rookie at 1.10 could give you outcomes like Reagor or Ruggs all the way up to Jefferson, but with so many other picks available to me in that league to take the upside shots I was happy to bank a little stability.
rockaction
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frae
Footballguy
That's a real small sample size I see 7 games here he was probably top 24 in 3 or 4 coming off a season with 2 top 24 games. It could have worked but he still had some hurdles to clear to be a weekly starter .
rockaction
Footballguy
This was the problem with him.
And you're right. Ruggs was like WR32 the past year when he played. That's not top twenty-four like I said. I messed up because my league starts a lot of guys, so it's deep and he would have started for a bunch of our teams even with that ranking.
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rockaction
Footballguy
And your general point stands about Cooper, too. It's just that Dallas has an out with his contract this year, I think, so his situation is unsettled. But your point about his production compared to the 1.10 stands.
frae
Footballguy
I know I can lose this deal if the guy here turns into Waddle or Jefferson, but sometimes our perception of value is not really connected to production. Jeudy is still holding value but he just went all year without a TD I think and my guess is people would take Jeudy over Cooper, but wouldn't you just want Jeudy to do what we know Cooper can do?
If I didn't have 4 other 1st and 2.01 I might have agonized over this deal more so context is relevant here, but I do like banking proven players.
rockaction
Footballguy
Exactly. Which is fine. Yet I see a lot of talk about "holding value" sometimes without any concern (or short shrift) to actual value of points scored. It's like a beat the market game all the time. There needs to be a balance between market value and scoring points at some point, because the points win the games.
I get what you're saying is what I'm trying to say.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
The 1st one just depends on what you want to do for the next year or 2. Russ if competing and T-Law if not probably but I can see the argument for both.
The 2nd is Renfrow by a mile as A-rob is declining and who knows where he will be next year.
The 3rd is close but I don't think Cooper is worth a 1st personally. He doesn't look like a game changing WR any more and Lamb is still the man there.
frae
Footballguy
I am surprised by Renfrow's support to be honest. He has 1 top 24 hit now, granted it is a good hit at 10, but he isn't young next year either at 27 vs A Rob 29. Robinson has 3 top 12 hits and draft pedigree over Renfrow 2nd vs a 5th. Renfrow had 71 and 77 targets in the first 2 years and then jumped way up to 128 targets this year with no other WR being any good for them and Waller missing time. I can see this being an L as any trade can be, but my guess is new regime in LV and they try to get an alpha wr and Renfrow goes back to his more normal role. Before this really bad year Robinson had 154 and 151 targets it is uncertain where he goes and what is role is. All trades have different views and if Renfrow is now a 128 target slot guy racking up 100 catchers for 2 more years this will be a loss for me.
Zyphros
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Bought an orphan and made a couple moves. Was severely lacking future picks (had nothing til 4.08 this year, full picks in 2023) and the team isn't in the best shape
FFPC full PPR 1.5 TE pre
Gave away Keenan Allen - got a 2023 1st (best guess is mid?)
Gave away Zeke - got 2.01 and 2023 2nd
Gave away Jeudy and Gabriel Davis - got Devonta Smith, 2.11, future 5th
FFPC full PPR 1.5 TE pre
Gave away Keenan Allen - got a 2023 1st (best guess is mid?)
Gave away Zeke - got 2.01 and 2023 2nd
Gave away Jeudy and Gabriel Davis - got Devonta Smith, 2.11, future 5th
barackdhouse
Footballguy
FFPC SF
I gave ETN, 2023 2nd
I got 2023 1st
That 1st is from a team that earned the 1.01 this year but has a lot of 2022 capital - he could improve a lot, but I'm betting against it. My team is loaded and cleared a roster spot here. This should be a late 2nd.
I gave ETN, 2023 2nd
I got 2023 1st
That 1st is from a team that earned the 1.01 this year but has a lot of 2022 capital - he could improve a lot, but I'm betting against it. My team is loaded and cleared a roster spot here. This should be a late 2nd.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
SF, gimme Lance and pray for good things. I don't love rostering NEP RBs, and Seattle could be a mess for a while.bro1ncos said:
JimmyG is likely gone even if he wins a SB, and Lance is the future. And he has a chance to be a next gen type player. What that chance is has yet to be determined. We haven't seen much yet.
But on paper, I take the young QB with a shot at starting next year over everything in that package. I love Decaf, but I don't love his situation.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
So you gave ETN + Late 2nd for 1.01?barackdhouse said:
Solid. I like it. At worst you get a RB equal to ETN without the significant injury of ETN.
Curious what you spent to pick ETN?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Overall nice moves, but I feel like you still shoulda been able to get a 2023 1st for Zeke.Zyphros said:
rockaction
Footballguy
Doubt it. I've got him on the block again as our 2023 picks came in. Not even a nibble. keeptradecut has those picks -- even a late first -- as more valuable than Zeke. I keep using keeptradecut because it's the closest to actual market value I've seen sans rankings.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Wow - dude in my league was still demanding a 1st as recently as week 17.
Maybe the value has shifted since McCarthy said he was playing through a torn PCL or whatever it was.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Oh - ok, now I get it. Sorry, he said he "earned the 1.01 this year" - that was slightly confusing. I see what he meant. Appreciate the clarification.
rockaction
Footballguy
I just offered him and Jakobi Meyers for what will likely be a mid-2023 1st. We'll see. I don't think it gets accepted.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I'll keep my fingers crossed for you.
tbh, including Jakobi might have been a downgrade to that package.
rockaction
Footballguy
lolI'll keep my fingers crossed for you.
tbh, including Jakobi might have been a downgrade to that package.
I think that is the problem. Owners are demanding a 1st and buyers aren't willing to spend that.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I certainly wouldn't.
After his injury-plagues 2020, I was hoping for a bounce back to greatness season, and was offering the dude a 2022 1st and a 2023 2nd, and he rejected it outright. We went back & forth for a few days & ultimately decided it wasn't gonna happen.
Sometimes the best deals are the ones you can't get done.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I get this totally and have enjoyed some good fantasy years from A-Rob in the past. I don't think Renfrow is worth a 1st like a previous trade I saw on here but I'd take him over A-Rob easily. Don't like Free Agent WRs that are almost 30 and about to go to a new team. Not to mention, he has never been a great route runner (Renfrow is). I think we just say Renfrow's best season ever but I also think A-Rob's best seasons are well behind him personally. Everything you said is and could be true though.frae said:
