Dr. Octopus
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Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
They beat Atlanta 15-10 and Minn 38-7 in the 2 games leading to the SB. 17 points in 2 playoff games is a dominant D. Plus, wasn't it Graham that sacked Brady for the fumble that sealed the game? Brady has a habit of making even good Ds look bad (unless your the Giants in the SB). That D had a huge part but Foles did have one of the best SBs I have seen from a QB. Your argument isn't without merit.
Like I said with Manning, more than a few people thought Leaf was better than him and he was a bust. Can happen with any of them. DeMarcus Russell was a #1 pick and Brady went 199 so being a great prospect only goes so far. I do think Lawrence has a much better year though. I just think saying he will be better than Burrow is outlandish. Not impossible though no.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
There have been 3 "golden boy" QBs in the last quarter century. Guys who were enshrined as the next great NFL QB from the time they were freshmen in college, who maintained that the whole way through.
They were Peyton Manning, Andrew Luck, and Trevor Lawrence.
Yes Leaf had his supporters of people that just liked to be contrarian, just like there were people on here arguing that Lynch was better than Peterson or that RG3 was better than Luck. But there are always contrarians.
Maybe Lawrence will work out, maybe he won't. But he's not just some regular old #1 overall pick. He was a next level prospect like Peyton or Luck or Megatron or Peterson. A once in a decade type prospect. So there is certainly PLENTY of room for his value to appreciate from here. Not saying it will, but we're not talking about Jared Goff or Baker Mayfield type #1 pick here.
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
You're making arguments against things that no one is saying. No one said that Lawrence is guaranteed to be a stud just because of his status coming into the league. Of course it's possible for a highly touted QB to fail. Do you know what else is possible? A QB coming off a great season having it be the best season of his career.
When people mentioned Lawrence's status as a prospect it was merely to show it was possible that he could end up being better than Burrow in the long term (which could even start this season) and to counter a position that stated "No Jags QB could possibly be better than Burrow".
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I can agree with that. I just didn't like what I saw in his eyes and how he played. Part of that is Meyer but even Manning had a bad rookie year and I didn't feel that way. I think he can only go up though. I just think Burrow is that good and I'm not a Cincy fan.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I have watched the Jags since their inception. Brunell, Leftwich, Gerrard, Bortles, and others. I'll believe that one can be in the argument for the best QB in the league when I see it. Burrow is already close to that argument. I know....different team, different coach, different everything but history shows us something. T-Law is a better prospect than all of those guys but that only goes so far. He strikes me as a guy that may not live up to the hype. Like he isn't ready for what the Elways/Lucks/Mannings comparisons bring.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
I think a lot of people said the same thing about the Bengals at the time Burrow was drafted.
Pwingles
Footballguy
I dont think breece is even close to a possibility at 1.03 in any format, so for me its more likely walker/willis/ your wr of choice to choose from
I would prefer breece to etn at this point I think, but if breece was in last years class, im not sure he is above ETN as a prospect
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Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
Not completely wrong but they have had an MVP at QB and been to 3 SBs now. They also had Palmer who put up some good numbers for more than 1 year.
Others can continue to be believers and I'll wait for proof for a team like the Jags to stop wasting talent and making players worse. I just don't see T-Law as "that guy". Just my take on him but expect improvement for sure.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
FFPC SF not involved
Team A gave 1.03
Team B gave 1.09, 3.01, 2023 2nd
ugh so gross wish I'd thought of it. I hold 2.03 maybe I'll see if they wanna *keep* moving back.
Team A gave 1.03
Team B gave 1.09, 3.01, 2023 2nd
ugh so gross wish I'd thought of it. I hold 2.03 maybe I'll see if they wanna *keep* moving back.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
lardonastick
Footballguy
Any recent trades for Kareem Hunt?
Dez
Footballguy
titusbramble
Footballguy
Meh, depending on where the 2023 pick is expected to be I'd probably take the 1.09 and change, I like Walker at 1.03 but don't see him as anywhere near a good enough talent to not trade down. Think there's enough WRs plus Pickett for 1.03-1.09 to be considered one tier in SF. This might change in a week or so if someone gets drafted to a great spot though and emerge as a clear 1.03 though, I'll accept that
Walker’s not who I’m taking there, personally. I’ve got a pretty clear top 3 at the moment that’s why it would take more than a 3rd and a 2023 2nd to move there.
Boston
Footballguy
I don't like trades that make no sense...sometimes you may not like a deal but understand what the Owner is trying to accomplish...this is a deal that I do not see what he is trying to accomplish...real bad use of 1.3 as an asset.
Twenty-Four Eighty-Four
Footballguy
Rebuild vs Competing
Antonio Gibson for 1.02
Antonio Gibson for 1.02
Blick
Footballguy
Agreed. If the team giving the 1.03 is rebuilding, I'd at least need a young, upside player in this deal somewhere. If not rebuilding, this makes not sense.
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Pwingles
Footballguy
Confusing deal here. Even if you dont really want the 1.03, the return value is lacking here
Dont like the deal if the rebuild is getting gibson really. Any context? Is it a complete tear down and overhaul, or is it a softer rebuild with some decent assets already in place?
Also, is it 1qb or superflex?
Twenty-Four Eighty-Four
Footballguy
Sorry I thought it'd be obvious that the rebuild gets the pick, competing now gets Gibson.
1QB, start 1 RB. Rebuild still has Metcalf, McLaurin, Lamar and a bunch of 23 picks and one (now two) 22 firsts.
Pwingles
Footballguy
All good, I assumed that was the case, but wasnt sure.
Curious what that owner thinks they are going to get at 1.02 that is so much better than gibson. Maybe they have their eye on a wr they like. Not sure walker > Gibson, but maybe they think that. Or maybe they flip it for more picks, which would be a great move imo.
Twenty-Four Eighty-Four
Footballguy
titusbramble
Footballguy
If you have, that's fine, I just don't see there as being anyone that's a standout after Hall/Willis which makes having the 1.03 that much more valuable than a later pick, I lean Walker just based on relative positional scarcity in this year, if you've got a particular WR favourite that you think is clearly better than the top half dozen or so, or are higher on some second QB than most, that's reasonable enough to want to keep the 1.03. I might be saying the same thing next week if someone like the Packers break the habit of a lifetime and actually give Rodgers a first round WR, but until then I'm just seeing a huge pile of meh after 1.02 before you hit slightly worse meh in the second
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
This really should have been a 23 1st to be fair. Even in a down draft, I think the top of the draft still has plenty of talent.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
That is funny as we just had this exact same trade in my league. I felt like I'd like the pick more but can understand both sides. Plus, the guy that got Gibson isn't the best drafter of talent so I think he was a little scared to screw the pick up.
Pretty even, but I would take the 1.02 no matter my situation. I think I could deal it for something I like better than Gibson in most cases. Plus rookie fever is kicking into overdrive in a week.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
This trade seems odd to me until after the NFL draft. When we know more then this could be a good move either way.
Boston
Footballguy
Got zero issues with either side...if you are rebuilding this is a great cash out for Gibson, tough to think you can get more than this...if you are a competing team, you get much more of a known quantity that will be 24 in June which means you should get some good years from him besides just this year.
Even if you think that(and honestly, I pretty much feel the same way after 1.03) you should be able to get a better return than a 2nd and 3rd is the point I’m making.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
Totally agree. Especially after the NFL draft and up to the fantasy draft date as people get more rookie crazy.
lardonastick
Footballguy
12 team non-ppr, start 1-2-3-1-1. Not involved.
Allen Robinson + 2022 2.07
For
2022 1.12 and 2022 2.05
Allen Robinson + 2022 2.07
For
2022 1.12 and 2022 2.05
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
This is probably fair but feels pricey for A-Rob. He is probably worth that in LA as long as OBJ doesn't resign, especially in a weak draft.
wlwiles
Footballguy
I see this as a perfect use of the 1.12. Rather than throw a dart or gamble on choosing the correct WR after 6-8 of them are already off the board, go get the guy that has actually done it before
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
He’s also had a plethora of horrific QBs, but point taken.
I do like it for a win now team though. ARob should have a solid season or 2 in LA.
It’s not far off in value. That said, give me the chance at a rookie with the ability to appreciate in value vs the 29 year old (highly unlikely to be a difference making) veteran. I don’t see many scenarios where I take Robinson over that pick.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
This could look like a steal for either team at season's end. Toney's range of outcomes is just so wide - but give me the potential elite talent and I'll hope he gets his head together.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Well, my rebuilding team is slightly deeper at RB.
I still only have 5-6 core players + a boatload of ‘23 picks, but I was barren at RB, with only RoJo, Bolden & a pocket full of wishes.
Gave: Michael Pittman, Will Fuller
Received: ETN
I still only have 5-6 core players + a boatload of ‘23 picks, but I was barren at RB, with only RoJo, Bolden & a pocket full of wishes.
Gave: Michael Pittman, Will Fuller
Received: ETN
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Is there a player with a bigger gap between his floor and ceiling than Toney right now? I could see a top 10 finish or I could see 21 receptions at the end of the year.
InDitkaWeTrust
Footballguy
Seems close, but man I'd hate to give up Pittman on a rebuilding team. At 24, he's realistically got enough mileage left to see you into your contention years.
Dr. Octopus
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bostonfred
Footballguy
If there is, it's probably one of Aiyuk, Jeudy, Chark, Terrace Marshall, Etienne, Ronald Jones, Penny, Trevor Lawrence, Lance, Fields, Wilson and Hurts
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yeah, I like Pittman a lot too. I don't know if Ryan has the same mojo that he once did, and feel like he's going to be more of a game manager with JT featured.
I have ETN ranked a bit higher for dynasty than Pittman, and as I said, I had 5 quality WR and pretty much none quality RB. He's also a year younger than Pittman.
It also gives me a lot more flexibility headed into 2023. I have 6x 1sts, with very likely picks 1-4. Now (if things don't change dramatically) I can use them on Bijan, Young, Stroud, and JSN, and can take a RB at 7-8, and possibly another WR at 9-10.
Felt like a fair deal, and hopefully ETN thrives as the centerpiece of that new offense.
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yet can't find them in the red zone with a map & a compass.
Also Ryan is a bit long in the tooth, so there's that. I don't exactly see the Colts as a high flying air-it-out offense with Ryan under center.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Were the Colts a high flying offense last season? Pittman put up numbers last year and I think Ryan > Wentz.
I don't think your trade was bad or anything, RBs are tough to come by so it seemed like fair value.
