titusbramble
Footballguy
Small one in my league, 10 team SF not involved
Team A sends Tyler Huntley
Team B sends 2023 3rd (probably mid)
Team A sends Tyler Huntley
Team B sends 2023 3rd (probably mid)
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****OFFICIAL DYNASTY TRADES**** (11 Viewers)
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Boston
Footballguy
Out of curiosity did either Owner have Lamar?
InDitkaWeTrust
Footballguy
The Free Agent market for QBs (as well as the ones who are tradable) is super thin in 2023. Jimmy G is probably the best of the bunch and I think he's marginally better than Dalton. He will be one of those QBs who goes somewhere next year on a 2 year deal and flops, IMO. The Saints don't have a 1st round pick in 2023 and their 2nd rounder won't net a game changer at QB. I think Olave is a solid talent, heck he's #15 in our PPR league this year, but I don't see him progressing much further than that until the Saints shore up their QB position.
As for the original trade, I think it's a wash. Mixon isn't getting any younger, the late 1st isn't a guaranteed slam dunk and Olave looks like a young, strong talent.
Boston
Footballguy
Definitely Olave...it is a good time to cash out on Mixon and Olave is the real deal...the Owner getting Mixon is really going to regret this deal in the near future.
titusbramble
Footballguy
Nope. Guy receiving Huntley must win this week and only had Mac Jones who he could start through byes/injuries
Boston
Footballguy
I see what both teams are doing...the Owner has a chance to make the playoffs and Huntley has shown some glimpses where he could potentially get a shot at a starting gig someday or he remains the backup to Lamar who as a QB who runs there is always a chance he could get hurt...that is a long way of saying he is very worthy of a roster spot in SF...for the other Owner you aren't gonna get more than a #3 from a non-Lamar Owner and my guess is he wants to use that roster spot for someone else.
titusbramble
Footballguy
Same (10 team SF) league, not involved
Team A (guaranteed first round playoff bye) receives Mike White
Team B (may sneak in playoffs with win today) receives 2023 4th, 2024 3rd
Team A (guaranteed first round playoff bye) receives Mike White
Team B (may sneak in playoffs with win today) receives 2023 4th, 2024 3rd
titusbramble
Footballguy
Another last minute one just gone through, same league, also not involved
Team A (contending, first round bye) sends 2024 1st
Team B (probably sneaking into playoffs) sends 2024 2nd, Christian Kirk
Team A (contending, first round bye) sends 2024 1st
Team B (probably sneaking into playoffs) sends 2024 2nd, Christian Kirk
sushinsky4tsar
Footballguy
I was offered Jamaal Williams + '24 3rd -for- Zonovan Knight.
I think I'm going to take the small profit since I'm not sure that Jamaal isn't the more relevant RB in '23. We're both playoff teams. Bam is probably #4 on my depth chart (ahead of Dillon) and I don't think he's anything more than insurance on his roster.
Am I selling Bam short? I suppose it's in the realm of possibilities that they trade M. Carter this offseason, but I don't really want to count on that. I think it's moving stuff for stuff and pocketing a 3rd.
I think I'm going to take the small profit since I'm not sure that Jamaal isn't the more relevant RB in '23. We're both playoff teams. Bam is probably #4 on my depth chart (ahead of Dillon) and I don't think he's anything more than insurance on his roster.
Am I selling Bam short? I suppose it's in the realm of possibilities that they trade M. Carter this offseason, but I don't really want to count on that. I think it's moving stuff for stuff and pocketing a 3rd.
sushinsky4tsar
Footballguy
Team B doing fine work leveraging Kirk. Can't imagine needing a WR that bad.
eighsse2
Footballguy
Guy giving up the 1st gonna regret it.
eighsse2
Footballguy
I like it just under the presumption that Knight will be mostly worthless as of next year. But never know.
titusbramble
Footballguy
No, I couldn't, especially when I was trying to make a similar deal with Lockett a couple of weeks ago but getting nowhere. Really not sure how Kirk helps him win now when we only need to start three and he had Davante, Godwin and Mike Williams already, but hey, if he thinks it helps...
eighsse2
Footballguy
Added info makes it a major head-scratcher.
BearsFan4Life
Footballguy
14 Team . No PPR - Start 1 QB, 2-3 RB, 1-2 WR, 1 TE, 1 K, 1 D/ST
3 Team Trade:
A Gave: KMurray
A Got: DPrescott, Dionte Johnson
B Gave: DPrescott, Javonte Williams, Deebo, 2023 - 2.03
B Got: KMurray, Chubb (KPickett is QB until Murray returns)
C Gave: Chubb, Dionte Johnson
C Got: Javonte WIlliams, Deebo, 2023-2.03
Thoughts??
3 Team Trade:
A Gave: KMurray
A Got: DPrescott, Dionte Johnson
B Gave: DPrescott, Javonte Williams, Deebo, 2023 - 2.03
B Got: KMurray, Chubb (KPickett is QB until Murray returns)
C Gave: Chubb, Dionte Johnson
C Got: Javonte WIlliams, Deebo, 2023-2.03
Thoughts??
My thoughts are Team A crushed this deal. Got the better, healthy QB and a free D. Johnson.
Not sure what the hell Team B was thinking. Huuuuuge over pay for Kyler Murray who isn’t that good.
Team C feels like a reload for 2023 so I like it considering that and the fact that I’m Not high on D. Johnson
nirad3
Footballguy
This was a big one that I felt was necessary to "keep the train barreling down the tracks".
16-team IDP dynasty, my team was 1-12 last year, and I called up a glut of studs and made trades and acquired someone else's franchise player (CMC) for a pretty penny. Turned it around and went 12-1 this year.
Anyways, when Kupp went down my options were to plug the likes of Jeudy or JuJu in. I opted to just send Kupp (3-year deal) off and hit big by sending him, '23 2nd and 3rd and Chad Muma for Justin Jefferson (also 3-year contract).
Hated losing the 2nd, especially in a loaded '23 draft class, also didn't like dealing Muma who I think I scored on late in the '22 draft, but I tend to find LBs rather well and I'll buy my way back into the draft in the summer and/or pick up guys via RFA.
For reference, the team: Burrow, CMC, Taylor, Jamaal Williams, Chase, Jefferson, Hopkins (also acquired via trade later in the season), Hockenson (with Pitts available next year too), Wilkins & Burns at DL, Brooks, Warner and Rodriguez/Roberts at LB, Ramsey, Diggs, Douglas at CB and Winfield/Jenkins at S.
16-team IDP dynasty, my team was 1-12 last year, and I called up a glut of studs and made trades and acquired someone else's franchise player (CMC) for a pretty penny. Turned it around and went 12-1 this year.
Anyways, when Kupp went down my options were to plug the likes of Jeudy or JuJu in. I opted to just send Kupp (3-year deal) off and hit big by sending him, '23 2nd and 3rd and Chad Muma for Justin Jefferson (also 3-year contract).
Hated losing the 2nd, especially in a loaded '23 draft class, also didn't like dealing Muma who I think I scored on late in the '22 draft, but I tend to find LBs rather well and I'll buy my way back into the draft in the summer and/or pick up guys via RFA.
For reference, the team: Burrow, CMC, Taylor, Jamaal Williams, Chase, Jefferson, Hopkins (also acquired via trade later in the season), Hockenson (with Pitts available next year too), Wilkins & Burns at DL, Brooks, Warner and Rodriguez/Roberts at LB, Ramsey, Diggs, Douglas at CB and Winfield/Jenkins at S.
Love Jefferson side of the deal. Wouldn’t think twice about it. He’s the #1 dynasty asset for me and it’s not even close.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I don't play IDP but I'd jump on this in a heartbeat in any format.
efactor
Footballguy
jtd13
Footballguy
That seems crazy cheap for the broncos
efactor
Footballguy
If straight dynasty, no contracts, interesting deal.
Always a gamble giving up a top 5 WR, but he is 28 and his QB situation is a little up in the air with Tua's concussion issues. Would depend on if my team is competing now. If so, would be hard to give up Tyrek but that is also how you keep from going into full rebuild mode eventually, which sucks.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Thanks and it's dynasty and also not remotely a rebuild which is actually part of the thought process, as in I don't plan to have a lot of high picks that are often needed to draft the higher end RB's.
For sure has risks. Tyreek is a great player and I'll miss him but as a 29 year old* speed reliant WR that has some risks. Saying that I don't see any reason to predict a drop off in his game next year but odds are in favor of it being imminent. Not a given but last few years fantasy production for 30+ year old WR's has been super low. Saying that I could buy an argument I could have maybe tried to wait a year but then that has it's share of risks as well.
I got some long winded thoughts on value of getting younger even when trying to win-now that I'm not sure I can concisely put into words but I'll try and I'll use two Dalvin Cook trades I made as examples. This thought process also ties into why I have grown to despise "win now" trades when you are giving up assets that are viewed as having a lot longer shelf life. Same theory holds in both cases.
Central to this theory is that my teams are likely playoff teams with or without the help of the older, lower shelf life player. Seeding of course matters but in general if you are a playoff team your season comes down to 1-2 weeks spurts(FFPC finals is 2 weeks total points with 4 teams). And central to this theory is the outcome in a 1-2 weeks is so unpredictable that I'm willing to take a percieved short term hit for likely longer term producing asset.
I said I'd use Dalvin as an example and in this same league last year a little before the season I traded him for Najee Harris. The difference in Najee's production those final 2 playoff weeks vs what Dalvin would have provided was the difference between finishing first and what would have been third if I had held onto Dalvin.
Then this season in another FFPC league I traded Dalvin for Breece Hall after he tore his ACL. In this case I got no immediate help back like I got with Najee but it was addition by subtraction over the two week playoff finals and subtraction by addition for the team that got Hall. Meaning if I had kept Dalvin I'd have started him over what turned out be superior options and the team that got Dalvin started him over what turned out to be better options. The difference to my team if I'd have kept Dalvin was I'd have finished third instead of first.
Of course it won't always work out this way but the point is in a 1-2 week time period the range for players has a lot of variance so if I think my team can advance to that range with a younger alternative I'd rather gamble those 1-2 weeks work out while securing the player with odds of having a lot longer shelf life. I might have failed at being concise.
*I labeled Tyreek as 29 because anytime I mention a players age in the off-season it's what he'll be all or most of the next season.
BearsFan4Life
Footballguy
14 Team ...Standard Scoring
Gave: AJ Brown and Pollard
Got: Barkley and ARSB
Gave: AJ Brown and Pollard
Got: Barkley and ARSB
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Man that’s tough.
I’m on the Barkley/ARSB side, but Pollard’s landing spot might change that.
For now it’s assumed the Giants will franchise Barkley.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I’ve heard they’ll franchise Jones if they can’t sign him long term.
Wigglytuff's Gruff
Footballguy
The reports seem to increasingly point to Jones imminently signing an extension.
Pwingles
Footballguy
12 team TE prem Superflex , a series of deals, not involved
Team A gets: Herbert
Team B gets: 1.03, 1.08, 1.12
Team C gets; Herbert, K Walker, S Moore, K Pitts
Team A gets; Burrow, London, M Andrews
Team A gets; Treylon, Friermuth, 1.06
Team D gets; 1.01 , 2.05
Team A was busy in the last 2 weeks. Looks like big picture, he gave up;
1.01, 1.03, 1.08, 1.12, 2.05, K walker, S moore, K pitts
and netted
Burrow, London, Andrews, 1.06, Treylon, and Friermuth
Thoughts?
Team A gets: Herbert
Team B gets: 1.03, 1.08, 1.12
Team C gets; Herbert, K Walker, S Moore, K Pitts
Team A gets; Burrow, London, M Andrews
Team A gets; Treylon, Friermuth, 1.06
Team D gets; 1.01 , 2.05
Team A was busy in the last 2 weeks. Looks like big picture, he gave up;
1.01, 1.03, 1.08, 1.12, 2.05, K walker, S moore, K pitts
and netted
Burrow, London, Andrews, 1.06, Treylon, and Friermuth
Thoughts?
Appears to start by overpaying for Herbert then keeps the rest relatively close in value... hard to determine without seeing his team build... he obviously soured on pitts and doesn't need RB atm....
BearsFan4Life
Footballguy
Tough for me to do Week 17 before the Championship, but I had Henry sitting out and felt I needed to do it as Pollard was also questionable to play at the time. In the end I would up winning the Championship despite the low Barkley and ARSB output that week.
Boston
Footballguy
I can definitely see what both sides are doing…if I have to choose I will go with Pickens because he looks like he has the potential to be a #1 FF WR…out of curiosity how are your TEs now and who did the other Owner have before the trade.
I have Pitts and Goedert as sure keepers with Taysom and Gronk as sure cuts barring some really positive developments. The other team just had Higbee at TE.
Boston
Footballguy
Like the deal even more for you since you have those two…totally understand what the other guy is doing…sometimes you gotta suck it up when you are in that type of spot.
Pwingles
Footballguy
plugged it into the dominator app calc just the net/net, not deal to deal, it preferred his side by a slim margin
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Holy crap that’s bad. Total overpay even without Lance. Or Bateman. lol
NE_REVIVAL
Footballguy
I think you got a good deal and I can also see why the gamble makes sense for Penqy. Hopefully a win win for both of you as you battle for 2nd
joey
Footballguy
3rd.I think you got a good deal and I can also see why the gamble makes sense for Penqy. Hopefully a win win for both of you as you battle for 2nd
Thanks and I can honestly say I hope it works out for us both because I only just realized how intertwined Dulchich and Pickens are for me. Before this trade I owned Dulchich on 3 other teams and it happens to be only 3 teams I owned Pickens and now the only league I don't own both of them on the same team I trade one for the other.I think you got a good deal and I can also see why the gamble makes sense for Penqy. Hopefully a win win for both of you as you battle for 2nd
Back when Jimmy G was playing solid I was not really worried about him replacing Lance. I've seen that act before, felt pretty confident that Kyle would turn back to Lance over Jimmy plus JG was not even under contract for next season. I'm less confident of Lance getting the job back with how Purdy is playing and feel the odds are getting stronger he might actually be traded because unlike Jordan Love I just don't think Lance can afford to sit with how little he's played football going back to high school. Either way in a 2QB league I think it's fairly cheap cost for a win/win. Either own the entire team or end up with two starters.
My sentiments exactly. I’m a huge fan of Lance and while I do believe he will be the starter next year, you can’t deny what this kids done. Sure, the offense is absolutely LOADED. But he’s so poised back there.
If SF makes the Super Bowl I think that’s when things get VERY interesting. How do you take the keys away from Brock at that point? And even if they do, a couple stinkers by Trey and and the drumbeats for Brock are going to be deafening.
I felt like it was great value for me to hedge there.
rockaction
Footballguy
It isn't an overpay for 1.11 and 1.12. Dynasty trade value chart at FBG has it dead even, as did I before I even looked at it.
But add Bateman and Lance into the mix and that's where the problems lie. It is, indeed, a bad trade. Just not the for the picks alone. Then it would have been fine.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I'd say in superflex picks 11 and 12 pretty easily over Williams.
That's basically picks 7 and 8 in standard leagues, in a year that is a highly touted fantasy class
rockaction
Footballguy
Eh. Well. SF does matter. Not sure how much. FBG would weight that toward the picks then. By a decent amount.
eta* I always overlook Superflex in the comments about the league. Christ, that makes me mad at myself.
Birdie048
Footballguy
Thought the same but I don't play SF so "my QB value" could be off. but 3 x 1st for Herbert is steep. Giving up the 1.01 & 1.03 is any package combination should net you a significant return. I don't know if Treylon & Freiermuth qualify ... Quantity vs Quality move here that I don't feel was good ROI.
