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Not the youngest team either.
I think the trade was well worth it with that line-up. Obviously no team is ever a lock to win, but that has to be a strong favorite in a 16 team league.
Continuing the Empire League tangent….
Nice pull on Olave. I'd probably pay that.
I'd assumed it would have to be that. Definitely would throw a wrinkle into it if not.
Just considering this part of the format made my brain freeze for 5-10 seconds reconsidering all of the trades I’ve made (or tried to make) in my existing dynasty leagues, and how much of a factor this would weigh in if I knew I was close to a Repeat Chip. Craziness. Love it.
I would think that has to be the case. If the league starts over again, it would need to be a start up draft - so no rookie draft, unless they have the "start up" draft and rookie drafts separately. Starting over is starting over, to me.
That’s an amazing format.
Barrackedhouse is not the boss of us
No disagreement there. Much love.
I get that.
I do too but he came across as a bit condescending with the "ask". I'm just having fun with it though. It's all good.
I just don't understand why teams deal youth so quickly. Unless you believe Olave is going to tank with a sophmore slump, I have no idea why you'd throw him back for a 1.06 & Davis+Pacheco.
Yes, Olave went in the 1.05-1.08 range in drafts last season. I think the picks in that range were better prospects than those in this year's draft so you're taking a loss (in theory) just to gain two risky assets, that are ripe candidates to be drafted over in Pacheco and Davis. It can obviously work out if the pick hits and Davis steps up this year, but for the cost of Olave it's a bad risk.
I can see that but I'd much prefer JJ still I think. I am in a pretty RB hungry league too but that allows me to get good value in other places sometimes and this feels like that type of place. I would figure you could figure out something with Lamb, Brown, or Wilson for a RB even taking a slight hit if you had JJ as your #1 for the next 7 years. I can see your stance though. It is understandable, I just don't personally agree just because I am just that high on JJ and we haven't even seen where Bijan will go or play a snap yet. However, I do love me some Bijan right now for almost any price. Just not this one.
That is a great lineup in a 16 team league. Really solid in a 12 teamer. I would have gone for it too.
Yeah, very true about the roster makeup issue -- as long as you can find trading partners for at least somewhat respectable deals, then value is value. Doesn't really matter if you're momentarily out of positional balance. And I wouldn't think someone is stupid for trading 1.01 for Jefferson, even in my league.
I'm not that high on Pacheco or Gabe Davis so I'd pay this easily. Good move.
So it’s a full reset- lose all future picks.
Ok, thanks - that makes sense.
You can still make trades- just not with draft picks. We haven’t run into an issue yet of anyone wanting to help the champ win. It’s a decent pot ($770 in a $10 league), so I think most rebuilding teams wouldn’t want to reset it in hopes it grows and they get a chance at it.
If I’m in that league & have had a slew of injuries/bad picks, it’s definitely in my interest to help a team repeat. For one, it breaks up that great team. For another I get to throw back my roster & go fish in a new draft.
Thanks for these clarifications. Love that current-champ-trade-caveat. Makes sense.
Oof. And I mean OOF
Not if the pot is 70x your buy in
What does that matter if you have no chance of winning?
Our keeper league resets every 3 years and this our reset year. I am going to try make a major change to my league and move to something like this. We don’t have a rookie draft as we are a 3 keeper league with 7 IDP starters. So that trading thing wouldn’t be an issue.
Thanks for these clarifications. Love that current-champ-trade-caveat. Makes sense.
this is all super interesting to many of us in here. Similar to some/many/most of us chiming in with opinions on trades, even for league formats we don’t play, I think all of us junkies just love imagining being in these kinds of leagues and the scenarios that come up, so we get to live vicariously through these trade debates and league format discussions without having to actually join 20 more freakin leagues
No chance of winning, ever?
Ever is a long time.
I guess that would feel pretty hopeless, but if that jackpot were already way up there, I'd really want a shot at it. And you never know how long it might take for someone to go back-to-back.
That’s what I did. All in all the time. Have no picks until 2025
Ah, ok - you mean 2022 standings I assume?
How long does it take you to turn a team around? When the pot gets high, rebuild and try and win later to get the huge pot.
and then the team doesnt win a title, and you are right back where you started......and without Jefferson
That’s a possible outcome, sure.
No.That’s a possible outcome, sure.
But folks are all in on the Kupp trade because OP’s roster is so stacked. Surely adding Jefferson to a roster like that would further help to ensure them a back to back championship, no?
By the same (inverse) logic, isn’t it worth it for the horrible team to “go for it” or “go all-in” on that dude’s championship too? Isn’t it worth that risk to deal away JJ with the prize being that they get to hit the reset button on an otherwise totally failed roster?
Seems like the worst case scenario you describe is that hypothetical team’s current situation regardless. So might as well try to go for the reset, no?
Less risky than the Kupp deal in a way - the failed team has nothing to lose.
Seems like a legit risk of such a league format. It’s the same reasoning for why the LCG winner isn’t allowed to deal future draft picks, no?
So you’re not in favor of that team getting Kupp for Higgins?No.That’s a possible outcome, sure.
But folks are all in on the Kupp trade because OP’s roster is so stacked. Surely adding Jefferson to a roster like that would further help to ensure them a back to back championship, no?
By the same (inverse) logic, isn’t it worth it for the horrible team to “go for it” or “go all-in” on that dude’s championship too? Isn’t it worth that risk to deal away JJ with the prize being that they get to hit the reset button on an otherwise totally failed roster?
Seems like the worst case scenario you describe is that hypothetical team’s current situation regardless. So might as well try to go for the reset, no?
Less risky than the Kupp deal in a way - the failed team has nothing to lose.
Seems like a legit risk of such a league format. It’s the same reasoning for why the LCG winner isn’t allowed to deal future draft picks, no?
Even the clear best team in fantasy doesn't win it all most of the time.
So, in the event they lose, the clock resets at least another two years, likely many more.
The deal seems like it makes sense for both teams. The team getting Higgins gets a much more valuable player long term, and the team getting Kupp theoretically gives himself a better chance to win the jackpot if he wins that 2nd title in a row.So you’re not in favor of that team getting Kupp for Higgins?No.That’s a possible outcome, sure.
But folks are all in on the Kupp trade because OP’s roster is so stacked. Surely adding Jefferson to a roster like that would further help to ensure them a back to back championship, no?
By the same (inverse) logic, isn’t it worth it for the horrible team to “go for it” or “go all-in” on that dude’s championship too? Isn’t it worth that risk to deal away JJ with the prize being that they get to hit the reset button on an otherwise totally failed roster?
Seems like the worst case scenario you describe is that hypothetical team’s current situation regardless. So might as well try to go for the reset, no?
Less risky than the Kupp deal in a way - the failed team has nothing to lose.
Seems like a legit risk of such a league format. It’s the same reasoning for why the LCG winner isn’t allowed to deal future draft picks, no?
Even the clear best team in fantasy doesn't win it all most of the time.
So, in the event they lose, the clock resets at least another two years, likely many more.
