****OFFICIAL DYNASTY TRADES**** (24 Viewers)

[Spookytooth]

12 tm ppr dynasty 27 man rosters switching to super flex in 2025: Note I have 1.4, 1.5 already and kept those picks off limits in my deal for Drake London.

Traded
2023 1st round pick 1.7 #7 (Mad City Ga..)

• 2023 1st round pick 1.10 #10 (Dyckesville..)
• 2023 2nd round pick 2.2 #14
• 2024 2nd round pick 2.4 #16 (The Madden ..)
• 2024 2nd round pick 2.12 #24 (Los Angeles..)

Received
Drake London

2023 2nd round pick 2.7 #19

• 2023 2nd round pick 2.9 #21 (Lombard Lon..)
• 2023 3rd round pick 3.4 #28 (The Madden ..)
• 2024 3rd round pick 3.8 #32 (Bishkek Bra..)
• 2025 1st round pick 1.2 #2 (Booger Hole..)

I am a little confused by what was traded for what. Are the bullet points also part of the trade? Also how do you know what specific picks are in 2024 and 2025?

So…. The future picks in this one are just the current standings . This is just the standing based on 2023 currently. Based on the year this year, 1.10 could become 1.12 or 1.4 .

Ah, ok - you mean 2022 standings I assume?

So presumed range of pick, not actual “2025 1.02” or whatever.

It’s kind of a risky way to look at future picks, especially 2 years out. That team with the 1.02 could draft a superstar, gace a couple players get healthy, make some shrewd trades l, and by 2025 it’s a 1.10 or something.

I’ve made similar bets and lost, so I’m just sayin.

I still like this trade for you though. I’ll just assume random future picks.

 

[Spookytooth]

12 tm ppr dynasty 27 man roster 1qb

I gambled trading Mclaurin for Eijah Moore and rashad Bateman (I own Dotson from Washington too already). Horrible or ok??

 

[Birdie048]

12 tm ppr dynasty 27 man roster 1qb

I gambled trading Mclaurin for Eijah Moore and rashad Bateman (I own Dotson from Washington too already). Horrible or ok??

Not horrible but undervalued Scary Terry

 

[Dr. Octopus]

and then the team doesnt win a title, and you are right back where you started......and without Jefferson

That’s a possible outcome, sure.

But folks are all in on the Kupp trade because OP’s roster is so stacked. Surely adding Jefferson to a roster like that would further help to ensure them a back to back championship, no?

By the same (inverse) logic, isn’t it worth it for the horrible team to “go for it” or “go all-in” on that dude’s championship too? Isn’t it worth that risk to deal away JJ with the prize being that they get to hit the reset button on an otherwise totally failed roster?

Seems like the worst case scenario you describe is that hypothetical team’s current situation regardless. So might as well try to go for the reset, no?

Less risky than the Kupp deal in a way - the failed team has nothing to lose.


Seems like a legit risk of such a league format. It’s the same reasoning for why the LCG winner isn’t allowed to deal future draft picks, no?

No.
Even the clear best team in fantasy doesn't win it all most of the time.
So, in the event they lose, the clock resets at least another two years, likely many more.

So you’re not in favor of that team getting Kupp for Higgins?

Those are two completely different things - one guy is “going for it”. Even if he doesn’t win he still has Kupp, who (to most people) is a top WR.

The other team is sending their only asset away for another team to go for it - unless they’re getting a nice package back (which isn’t what you’re implying), then they’ve screwed themselves further if that team doesn’t win. Plus I’m sure no league is going to let some one trade Jefferson for Pacheco and Allen Robinson.

No one said Kupp 100% helps that guy win - just more than Higgins would.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Horrible or ok??

Seems unnecessarily risky but not horrible.

 

[Boston]

12 tm ppr dynasty 27 man roster 1qb

I gambled trading Mclaurin for Eijah Moore and rashad Bateman (I own Dotson from Washington too already). Horrible or ok??

Agreed with the other guys about the risk as you pretty much know what you have in McLaurin and Moore and Bateman are still question marks...that being said in a 12 team 27-man league roster depth is a real big deal so I do understand the 2 for 1 concept...this all depends on how you feel about Moore and Bateman and opinions will be all over the place...this will be an interesting deal to look back on in a year.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

That trade to me has nothing to do with you mentioning how a team might load up the previous champ to try and get the league reset.

It’s the exact same reasoning.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

That trade to me has nothing to do with you mentioning how a team might load up the previous champ to try and get the league reset.

It’s the exact same reasoning.

No, it's really not.

 

[menobrown]

12 tm ppr dynasty 27 man roster 1qb

I gambled trading Mclaurin for Eijah Moore and rashad Bateman (I own Dotson from Washington too already). Horrible or ok??

More then ok to me, I like the move.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

That trade to me has nothing to do with you mentioning how a team might load up the previous champ to try and get the league reset.

It’s the exact same reasoning.

No, it's really not.

In both circumstances a trade is helping the champ to repeat.

Only the motivation is different.

The reasoning is the same.

• roster so good he has to go for it
• roster so bad, he has to try to help that team go for it

In both circumstances if the LCG champ fails to repeat it can be negatively impactful.

If the LCG team repeats, the the reset button is hit.

Again, they already have a rule that the LCG champ can’t trade future picks. But they can trade a bag of ok players for an elite one.

Seems like a rules inconsistency. If I’m the shareholder of the hopelessly broken team, imma do what I can to help the stacked team to repeat - he’s too close not to.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

12 tm ppr dynasty 27 man roster 1qb

I gambled trading Mclaurin for Eijah Moore and rashad Bateman (I own Dotson from Washington too already). Horrible or ok??

More then ok to me, I like the move.

Same - I prefer Bateman / Moore side. Age, WAS is a franchise in flux with Howell at QB (I’m assuming BAL resolves with LJax)…good sell of Scary Terry.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

That trade to me has nothing to do with you mentioning how a team might load up the previous champ to try and get the league reset.

It’s the exact same reasoning.

No, it's really not.

In both circumstances a trade is helping the champ to repeat.

Only the motivation is different.

The reasoning is the same.

• roster so good he has to go for it
• roster so bad, he has to try to help that team go for it

In both circumstances if the LCG champ fails to repeat it can be negatively impactful.

If the LCG team repeats, the the reset button is hit.

Again, they already have a rule that the LCG champ can’t trade future picks. But they can trade a bag of ok players for an elite one.

Seems like a rules inconsistency. If I’m the shareholder of the hopelessly broken team, imma do what I can to help the stacked team to repeat - he’s too close not to.

ok, you win.

 

[efactor]

That trade to me has nothing to do with you mentioning how a team might load up the previous champ to try and get the league reset.

It’s the exact same reasoning.

No, it's really not.

In both circumstances a trade is helping the champ to repeat.

Only the motivation is different.

The reasoning is the same.

• roster so good he has to go for it
• roster so bad, he has to try to help that team go for it

In both circumstances if the LCG champ fails to repeat it can be negatively impactful.

If the LCG team repeats, the the reset button is hit.

Again, they already have a rule that the LCG champ can’t trade future picks. But they can trade a bag of ok players for an elite one.

Seems like a rules inconsistency. If I’m the shareholder of the hopelessly broken team, imma do what I can to help the stacked team to repeat - he’s too close not to.

ok, you win.

No, he doesn't but I get your point

 

[efactor]

12 tm ppr dynasty 27 man roster 1qb

I gambled trading Mclaurin for Eijah Moore and rashad Bateman (I own Dotson from Washington too already). Horrible or ok??

Agreed with the other guys about the risk as you pretty much know what you have in McLaurin and Moore and Bateman are still question marks...that being said in a 12 team 27-man league roster depth is a real big deal so I do understand the 2 for 1 concept...this all depends on how you feel about Moore and Bateman and opinions will be all over the place...this will be an interesting deal to look back on in a year.

McLaurin put up nice numbers with bad QB play and has stayed healthy. Bateman has been injured both his seasons and plays in a low volume pass offense, regardless if they resign Lamar or not. The only season the Ravens were in the top half of the league in pass attempts was 2021 and they finished below .500. In 2020, they were dead last in pass attempts and they were 26th in 2022. Those seasons, they won 11 and 10 games. Harbaugh wants to run the ball and play good defense. I just don't see Bateman breaking out until he is out of Baltimore. I like Moore in Cleveland better than NY but still think the McLaurin side wins this one handily.

 

[menobrown]

12 tm ppr dynasty 27 man roster 1qb

I gambled trading Mclaurin for Eijah Moore and rashad Bateman (I own Dotson from Washington too already). Horrible or ok??

More then ok to me, I like the move.

Same - I prefer Bateman / Moore side. Age, WAS is a franchise in flux with Howell at QB (I’m assuming BAL resolves with LJax)…good sell of Scary Terry.

Terry's a better real life player then fantasy player IMO. From a fantasy angle he's really solid, fairly consistent year to year, but he's also a career low end WR2. Can blame it on the QB play to a degree but he's about to be 28 so even if it gets fixed soon will probably be to late to do him a lot of good.

So for me considering his age, roster size, how unexciting the prospect of putting both Dotson and Terry in your lineup presents itself, and fact what I"m giving up is a career low end WR2 I'd be on board with adding two young pieces with a degree of upside, upside to at least be low end WR2's in their own right if not next year then relatively soon in their careers.

I can see both sides but it's a gamble I'd be willing to take.

 

[C & C]

That trade to me has nothing to do with you mentioning how a team might load up the previous champ to try and get the league reset.

It’s the exact same reasoning.

No, it's really not.

In both circumstances a trade is helping the champ to repeat.

Only the motivation is different.

The reasoning is the same.

• roster so good he has to go for it
• roster so bad, he has to try to help that team go for it

In both circumstances if the LCG champ fails to repeat it can be negatively impactful.

If the LCG team repeats, the the reset button is hit.

Again, they already have a rule that the LCG champ can’t trade future picks. But they can trade a bag of ok players for an elite one.

Seems like a rules inconsistency. If I’m the shareholder of the hopelessly broken team, imma do what I can to help the stacked team to repeat - he’s too close not to.

Maybe I missed it, but the key to these Empire leagues is the money that goes to the Empire pot. Winning once would be 1x, but winning the next year is likely to be 3x or 4x. So, your roster is not ready to compete, but if no one wins back to back by the time you are ready to compete the pot might be 8x, 9x, etc... You'd rather help the league reset, then fight to obtain the windfall?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

No, he doesn't but I get your point

By all means, explain.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

That trade to me has nothing to do with you mentioning how a team might load up the previous champ to try and get the league reset.

It’s the exact same reasoning.

No, it's really not.

In both circumstances a trade is helping the champ to repeat.

Only the motivation is different.

The reasoning is the same.

• roster so good he has to go for it
• roster so bad, he has to try to help that team go for it

In both circumstances if the LCG champ fails to repeat it can be negatively impactful.

If the LCG team repeats, the the reset button is hit.

Again, they already have a rule that the LCG champ can’t trade future picks. But they can trade a bag of ok players for an elite one.

Seems like a rules inconsistency. If I’m the shareholder of the hopelessly broken team, imma do what I can to help the stacked team to repeat - he’s too close not to.

Maybe I missed it, but the key to these Empire leagues is the money that goes to the Empire pot. Winning once would be 1x, but winning the next year is likely to be 3x or 4x. So, your roster is not ready to compete, but if no one wins back to back by the time you are ready to compete the pot might be 8x, 9x, etc... You'd rather help the league reset, then fight to obtain the windfall?

In the hypothetical, a bad luck team had some bad draft picks, bad luck with injury, bad trades - the sort of roster that would take many many seasons to rebuild, in a league with a completely stacked team just just traded for a WR1 and got even better.

Just seems like instead of struggling for years, a quicker path to contention would be to help the league reset.

I’m not in an empire league, so it has nothing to do with what I would rather do. I’m just pointing out what could be an issue with that format.

 

[Da Franchise]

12 tm ppr dynasty 27 man roster 1qb

I gambled trading Mclaurin for Eijah Moore and rashad Bateman (I own Dotson from Washington too already). Horrible or ok??

More then ok to me, I like the move.

Same - I prefer Bateman / Moore side. Age, WAS is a franchise in flux with Howell at QB (I’m assuming BAL resolves with LJax)…good sell of Scary Terry.

Terry's a better real life player then fantasy player IMO. From a fantasy angle he's really solid, fairly consistent year to year, but he's also a career low end WR2. Can blame it on the QB play to a degree but he's about to be 28 so even if it gets fixed soon will probably be to late to do him a lot of good.

So for me considering his age, roster size, how unexciting the prospect of putting both Dotson and Terry in your lineup presents itself, and fact what I"m giving up is a career low end WR2 I'd be on board with adding two young pieces with a degree of upside, upside to at least be low end WR2's in their own right if not next year then relatively soon in their careers.

I can see both sides but it's a gamble I'd be willing to take.

It makes me sad how criminally unappreciated Terry is, both in real life and in fantasy. Agree with your take, it just sucks because the guy is damn good and just doesn’t get appropriate recognition for everything he brings to the table. If he was on the Chiefs dude would be putting up 90/1300/8 with ease.

In FFPC formats he’s a total afterthought and has virtually no trade market. In the format described here, 1QB 27 man rosters, I could easily see the appeal of taking the two in the bush in Moore and Bateman. I don’t much like Bateman but they are both young and there’s upside there at least. Smaller rosters like FFPC I wouldn’t make that move though.

Just responding really to spotlight Terry. Wentz was a terrible fit for him from the jump but he showed some chemistry with Howell in camp and then again in the game they played together against Dallas. Maybe with Bienemy in town they can focus more on getting their best football player the ball more.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

12 tm ppr dynasty 27 man roster 1qb

I gambled trading Mclaurin for Eijah Moore and rashad Bateman (I own Dotson from Washington too already). Horrible or ok??

More then ok to me, I like the move.

Same - I prefer Bateman / Moore side. Age, WAS is a franchise in flux with Howell at QB (I’m assuming BAL resolves with LJax)…good sell of Scary Terry.

Terry's a better real life player then fantasy player IMO. From a fantasy angle he's really solid, fairly consistent year to year, but he's also a career low end WR2. Can blame it on the QB play to a degree but he's about to be 28 so even if it gets fixed soon will probably be to late to do him a lot of good.

So for me considering his age, roster size, how unexciting the prospect of putting both Dotson and Terry in your lineup presents itself, and fact what I"m giving up is a career low end WR2 I'd be on board with adding two young pieces with a degree of upside, upside to at least be low end WR2's in their own right if not next year then relatively soon in their careers.

I can see both sides but it's a gamble I'd be willing to take.

It makes me sad how criminally unappreciated Terry is, both in real life and in fantasy. Agree with your take, it just sucks because the guy is damn good and just doesn’t get appropriate recognition for everything he brings to the table. If he was on the Chiefs dude would be putting up 90/1300/8 with ease.

In FFPC formats he’s a total afterthought and has virtually no trade market. In the format described here, 1QB 27 man rosters, I could easily see the appeal of taking the two in the bush in Moore and Bateman. I don’t much like Bateman but they are both young and there’s upside there at least. Smaller rosters like FFPC I wouldn’t make that move though.

Just responding really to spotlight Terry. Wentz was a terrible fit for him from the jump but he showed some chemistry with Howell in camp and then again in the game they played together against Dallas. Maybe with Bienemy in town they can focus more on getting their best football player the ball more.

I like Terry quite a bit more now than I used to - as someone who used to think he was overrated I agree.

But as Meno said, he’s 28, about to be 29, and with Dotson on the roster, getting younger and diversifying makes a lot of sense.

 

[C & C]

That trade to me has nothing to do with you mentioning how a team might load up the previous champ to try and get the league reset.

It’s the exact same reasoning.

No, it's really not.

In both circumstances a trade is helping the champ to repeat.

Only the motivation is different.

The reasoning is the same.

• roster so good he has to go for it
• roster so bad, he has to try to help that team go for it

In both circumstances if the LCG champ fails to repeat it can be negatively impactful.

If the LCG team repeats, the the reset button is hit.

Again, they already have a rule that the LCG champ can’t trade future picks. But they can trade a bag of ok players for an elite one.

Seems like a rules inconsistency. If I’m the shareholder of the hopelessly broken team, imma do what I can to help the stacked team to repeat - he’s too close not to.

Maybe I missed it, but the key to these Empire leagues is the money that goes to the Empire pot. Winning once would be 1x, but winning the next year is likely to be 3x or 4x. So, your roster is not ready to compete, but if no one wins back to back by the time you are ready to compete the pot might be 8x, 9x, etc... You'd rather help the league reset, then fight to obtain the windfall?

In the hypothetical, a bad luck team had some bad draft picks, bad luck with injury, bad trades - the sort of roster that would take many many seasons to rebuild, in a league with a completely stacked team just just traded for a WR1 and got even better.

Just seems like instead of struggling for years, a quicker path to contention would be to help the league reset.

I’m not in an empire league, so it has nothing to do with what I would rather do. I’m just pointing out what could be an issue with that format.

"In the hypothetical, a bad luck team had some bad draft picks, bad luck with injury, bad trades - the sort of roster that would take many many seasons to rebuild, in a league with a completely stacked team just just traded for a WR1 and got even better."

yeah, funny how these bad luck teams never have their luck change

"I’m not in an empire league, so it has nothing to do with what I would rather do. I’m just pointing out what could be an issue with that format."

thanks. I understand what you are driving at better now.

 

[menobrown]

12 tm ppr dynasty 27 man roster 1qb

I gambled trading Mclaurin for Eijah Moore and rashad Bateman (I own Dotson from Washington too already). Horrible or ok??

More then ok to me, I like the move.

Same - I prefer Bateman / Moore side. Age, WAS is a franchise in flux with Howell at QB (I’m assuming BAL resolves with LJax)…good sell of Scary Terry.

Terry's a better real life player then fantasy player IMO. From a fantasy angle he's really solid, fairly consistent year to year, but he's also a career low end WR2. Can blame it on the QB play to a degree but he's about to be 28 so even if it gets fixed soon will probably be to late to do him a lot of good.

So for me considering his age, roster size, how unexciting the prospect of putting both Dotson and Terry in your lineup presents itself, and fact what I"m giving up is a career low end WR2 I'd be on board with adding two young pieces with a degree of upside, upside to at least be low end WR2's in their own right if not next year then relatively soon in their careers.

I can see both sides but it's a gamble I'd be willing to take.

It makes me sad how criminally unappreciated Terry is, both in real life and in fantasy. Agree with your take, it just sucks because the guy is damn good and just doesn’t get appropriate recognition for everything he brings to the table. If he was on the Chiefs dude would be putting up 90/1300/8 with ease.

In FFPC formats he’s a total afterthought and has virtually no trade market. In the format described here, 1QB 27 man rosters, I could easily see the appeal of taking the two in the bush in Moore and Bateman. I don’t much like Bateman but they are both young and there’s upside there at least. Smaller rosters like FFPC I wouldn’t make that move though.

Just responding really to spotlight Terry. Wentz was a terrible fit for him from the jump but he showed some chemistry with Howell in camp and then again in the game they played together against Dallas. Maybe with Bienemy in town they can focus more on getting their best football player the ball more.

I agree with all of that and would also not make the move in FFPC.

 

[efactor]

12 tm ppr dynasty 27 man roster 1qb

I gambled trading Mclaurin for Eijah Moore and rashad Bateman (I own Dotson from Washington too already). Horrible or ok??

More then ok to me, I like the move.

Same - I prefer Bateman / Moore side. Age, WAS is a franchise in flux with Howell at QB (I’m assuming BAL resolves with LJax)…good sell of Scary Terry.

Terry's a better real life player then fantasy player IMO. From a fantasy angle he's really solid, fairly consistent year to year, but he's also a career low end WR2. Can blame it on the QB play to a degree but he's about to be 28 so even if it gets fixed soon will probably be to late to do him a lot of good.

So for me considering his age, roster size, how unexciting the prospect of putting both Dotson and Terry in your lineup presents itself, and fact what I"m giving up is a career low end WR2 I'd be on board with adding two young pieces with a degree of upside, upside to at least be low end WR2's in their own right if not next year then relatively soon in their careers.

I can see both sides but it's a gamble I'd be willing to take.

It makes me sad how criminally unappreciated Terry is, both in real life and in fantasy. Agree with your take, it just sucks because the guy is damn good and just doesn’t get appropriate recognition for everything he brings to the table. If he was on the Chiefs dude would be putting up 90/1300/8 with ease.

In FFPC formats he’s a total afterthought and has virtually no trade market. In the format described here, 1QB 27 man rosters, I could easily see the appeal of taking the two in the bush in Moore and Bateman. I don’t much like Bateman but they are both young and there’s upside there at least. Smaller rosters like FFPC I wouldn’t make that move though.

Just responding really to spotlight Terry. Wentz was a terrible fit for him from the jump but he showed some chemistry with Howell in camp and then again in the game they played together against Dallas. Maybe with Bienemy in town they can focus more on getting their best football player the ball more.

I like Terry quite a bit more now than I used to - as someone who used to think he was overrated I agree.

But as Meno said, he’s 28, about to be 29, and with Dotson on the roster, getting younger and diversifying makes a lot of sense.

He's actually 27. 28 in September

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

12 tm ppr dynasty 27 man roster 1qb

I gambled trading Mclaurin for Eijah Moore and rashad Bateman (I own Dotson from Washington too already). Horrible or ok??

More then ok to me, I like the move.

Same - I prefer Bateman / Moore side. Age, WAS is a franchise in flux with Howell at QB (I’m assuming BAL resolves with LJax)…good sell of Scary Terry.

Terry's a better real life player then fantasy player IMO. From a fantasy angle he's really solid, fairly consistent year to year, but he's also a career low end WR2. Can blame it on the QB play to a degree but he's about to be 28 so even if it gets fixed soon will probably be to late to do him a lot of good.

So for me considering his age, roster size, how unexciting the prospect of putting both Dotson and Terry in your lineup presents itself, and fact what I"m giving up is a career low end WR2 I'd be on board with adding two young pieces with a degree of upside, upside to at least be low end WR2's in their own right if not next year then relatively soon in their careers.

I can see both sides but it's a gamble I'd be willing to take.

It makes me sad how criminally unappreciated Terry is, both in real life and in fantasy. Agree with your take, it just sucks because the guy is damn good and just doesn’t get appropriate recognition for everything he brings to the table. If he was on the Chiefs dude would be putting up 90/1300/8 with ease.

In FFPC formats he’s a total afterthought and has virtually no trade market. In the format described here, 1QB 27 man rosters, I could easily see the appeal of taking the two in the bush in Moore and Bateman. I don’t much like Bateman but they are both young and there’s upside there at least. Smaller rosters like FFPC I wouldn’t make that move though.

Just responding really to spotlight Terry. Wentz was a terrible fit for him from the jump but he showed some chemistry with Howell in camp and then again in the game they played together against Dallas. Maybe with Bienemy in town they can focus more on getting their best football player the ball more.

I like Terry quite a bit more now than I used to - as someone who used to think he was overrated I agree.

But as Meno said, he’s 28, about to be 29, and with Dotson on the roster, getting younger and diversifying makes a lot of sense.

He's actually 27. 28 in September

Oh ok, thanks. Thought someone said 29. the same point applies.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

yeah, funny how these bad luck teams never have their luck change

Sometimes it’s bad luck, sometimes it’s being a terrible manager.

Sometimes terrible managers make bad picks and bad trades.

A lot of dynasty leagues have a team or 2 like that.

But it would still potentially be a lot faster to help the league reset than to rebuild such a lost cause franchise.

Anyway, just seemed like a loophole to the format. I’d still like to try it - sounds like a fun type of league.

 

[Da Franchise]

12 tm ppr dynasty 27 man roster 1qb

I gambled trading Mclaurin for Eijah Moore and rashad Bateman (I own Dotson from Washington too already). Horrible or ok??

More then ok to me, I like the move.

Same - I prefer Bateman / Moore side. Age, WAS is a franchise in flux with Howell at QB (I’m assuming BAL resolves with LJax)…good sell of Scary Terry.

Terry's a better real life player then fantasy player IMO. From a fantasy angle he's really solid, fairly consistent year to year, but he's also a career low end WR2. Can blame it on the QB play to a degree but he's about to be 28 so even if it gets fixed soon will probably be to late to do him a lot of good.

So for me considering his age, roster size, how unexciting the prospect of putting both Dotson and Terry in your lineup presents itself, and fact what I"m giving up is a career low end WR2 I'd be on board with adding two young pieces with a degree of upside, upside to at least be low end WR2's in their own right if not next year then relatively soon in their careers.

I can see both sides but it's a gamble I'd be willing to take.

It makes me sad how criminally unappreciated Terry is, both in real life and in fantasy. Agree with your take, it just sucks because the guy is damn good and just doesn’t get appropriate recognition for everything he brings to the table. If he was on the Chiefs dude would be putting up 90/1300/8 with ease.

In FFPC formats he’s a total afterthought and has virtually no trade market. In the format described here, 1QB 27 man rosters, I could easily see the appeal of taking the two in the bush in Moore and Bateman. I don’t much like Bateman but they are both young and there’s upside there at least. Smaller rosters like FFPC I wouldn’t make that move though.

Just responding really to spotlight Terry. Wentz was a terrible fit for him from the jump but he showed some chemistry with Howell in camp and then again in the game they played together against Dallas. Maybe with Bienemy in town they can focus more on getting their best football player the ball more.

I like Terry quite a bit more now than I used to - as someone who used to think he was overrated I agree.

But as Meno said, he’s 28, about to be 29, and with Dotson on the roster, getting younger and diversifying makes a lot of sense.

Saw the age was already corrected but just wanted add that Terry is an incredible guy off the field and a big time leader in the locker room. Consummate pro and takes great care of his body. If he stays healthy he should have a solid three seasons of 70/1000 type production left regardless of the QB and if Howell or the 2024 starter turn out to be above average, he has plenty of untapped ceiling left. He came in as an older and unheralded prospect so I think that sticks in folks minds but he’s not even old yet and his game isn’t all speed based.

Diggs is the guy I would compare him to for career arc and ceiling with good QB play. If they were traded for each other today I would expect their stats to essentially flip flop and don’t think Bills fans would even notice a decline in play.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Anyway, just seemed like a loophole to the format. I’d still like to try it - sounds like a fun type of league.

Anyone willing to do what you’re suggesting (even assuming the league would allow it) is much more likely to just dump the league if their team is that bad than to risk making their team even worse when the guy they tried to help doesn’t win the league. It would be a super dumb strategy to give away your last remaining asset - just on the hope of a one of the remaining 10 teams becoming the champ. Most leagues don’t only have one team capable of winning.

 

[efactor]

12 tm ppr dynasty 27 man roster 1qb

I gambled trading Mclaurin for Eijah Moore and rashad Bateman (I own Dotson from Washington too already). Horrible or ok??

More then ok to me, I like the move.

Same - I prefer Bateman / Moore side. Age, WAS is a franchise in flux with Howell at QB (I’m assuming BAL resolves with LJax)…good sell of Scary Terry.

Terry's a better real life player then fantasy player IMO. From a fantasy angle he's really solid, fairly consistent year to year, but he's also a career low end WR2. Can blame it on the QB play to a degree but he's about to be 28 so even if it gets fixed soon will probably be to late to do him a lot of good.

So for me considering his age, roster size, how unexciting the prospect of putting both Dotson and Terry in your lineup presents itself, and fact what I"m giving up is a career low end WR2 I'd be on board with adding two young pieces with a degree of upside, upside to at least be low end WR2's in their own right if not next year then relatively soon in their careers.

I can see both sides but it's a gamble I'd be willing to take.

It makes me sad how criminally unappreciated Terry is, both in real life and in fantasy. Agree with your take, it just sucks because the guy is damn good and just doesn’t get appropriate recognition for everything he brings to the table. If he was on the Chiefs dude would be putting up 90/1300/8 with ease.

In FFPC formats he’s a total afterthought and has virtually no trade market. In the format described here, 1QB 27 man rosters, I could easily see the appeal of taking the two in the bush in Moore and Bateman. I don’t much like Bateman but they are both young and there’s upside there at least. Smaller rosters like FFPC I wouldn’t make that move though.

Just responding really to spotlight Terry. Wentz was a terrible fit for him from the jump but he showed some chemistry with Howell in camp and then again in the game they played together against Dallas. Maybe with Bienemy in town they can focus more on getting their best football player the ball more.

I like Terry quite a bit more now than I used to - as someone who used to think he was overrated I agree.

But as Meno said, he’s 28, about to be 29, and with Dotson on the roster, getting younger and diversifying makes a lot of sense.

Saw the age was already corrected but just wanted add that Terry is an incredible guy off the field and a big time leader in the locker room. Consummate pro and takes great care of his body. If he stays healthy he should have a solid three seasons of 70/1000 type production left regardless of the QB and if Howell or the 2024 starter turn out to be above average, he has plenty of untapped ceiling left. He came in as an older and unheralded prospect so I think that sticks in folks minds but he’s not even old yet and his game isn’t all speed based.

Diggs is the guy I would compare him to for career arc and ceiling with good QB play. If they were traded for each other today I would expect their stats to essentially flip flop and don’t think Bills fans would even notice a decline in play.

Agree. I will add that I don't think age 30 is a huge drop off for receivers who haven't had major injuries. I expect another 5 good seasons for McLaurin

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Anyway, just seemed like a loophole to the format. I’d still like to try it - sounds like a fun type of league.

Anyone willing to do what you’re suggesting (even assuming the league would allow it) is much more likely to just dump the league if their team is that bad than to risk making their team even worse when the guy they tried to help doesn’t win the league. It would be a super dumb strategy to give away your last remaining asset - just on the hope of a one of the remaining 10 teams becoming the champ. Most leagues don’t only have one team capable of winning.

But that seems to run contrary to what everybody was saying about the Cooper Kupp trade.

I thought that deal was so good because it essentially locked up the 2nd ship fot that Uber-team.

If that’s the case, and that hypothetical trash team is in the league, why would it be such a terrible idea to give the LCG team another boost?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

But that seems to run contrary to what everybody was saying about the Cooper Kupp trade.

No it doesn’t no matter how many times you repeat it.
It’s been explained why a few times so you can go back and read again if you want to know why. I’m done with it.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I thought that deal was so good because it essentially locked up the 2nd ship fot that Uber-team.

Not one person said this. Please link to anyone that said it locked it up.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I thought that deal was so good because it essentially locked up the 2nd ship fot that Uber-team.

Not one person said this. Please link to anyone that said it locked it up.

“Essentially” - I did qualify it. No need to me to quote anything.

The consensus opinion expressed was that it was worth getting 6 years older as it gave them a much better chance at a repeat.

anyway, not a hill I need to die on. Just an observation of a potential caveat to that format.

Not worth arguing any more. I made my point. Appreciate your thoughtful debate.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

But that seems to run contrary to what everybody was saying about the Cooper Kupp trade.

No it doesn’t no matter how many times you repeat it.
It’s been explained why a few times so you can go back and read again if you want to know why. I’m done with it.

I didn’t agree with the explanations. You failed to explain it well enough.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

But that seems to run contrary to what everybody was saying about the Cooper Kupp trade.

No it doesn’t no matter how many times you repeat it.
It’s been explained why a few times so you can go back and read again if you want to know why. I’m done with it.

I didn’t agree with the explanations. You failed to explain it well enough.

Ok - that must be it.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Ok - that must be it.

It’s a hypothetical about a league format I’m curious about.

Forget the Kupp deal. Make that LCG a hypothetical as well. Dominant roster, 90% likely to repeat.

Do you agree that a doormat team could deal an elite player to them to help hit the reset button?

That’s the only scenario I’d be concerned about it such a format.

In “normal” dynasty leagues bad teams rebuild - sometimes good teams rebuild. The path to improvement is forward.

But it occurred to me that in an empire league, a side-step to that path might exist.

That’s it. That’s the whole point. Not sure why it’s such a bone of contention with you. Are you saying that scenario is impossible?

 

[smbkrypt24]

Ok - that must be it.

It’s a hypothetical about a league format I’m curious about.

Forget the Kupp deal. Make that LCG a hypothetical as well. Dominant roster, 90% likely to repeat.

Do you agree that a doormat team could deal an elite player to them to help hit the reset button?

That’s the only scenario I’d be concerned about it such a format.

In “normal” dynasty leagues bad teams rebuild - sometimes good teams rebuild. The path to improvement is forward.

But it occurred to me that in an empire league, a side-step to that path might exist.

That’s it. That’s the whole point. Not sure why it’s such a bone of contention with you. Are you saying that scenario is impossible?

The league is a $10 buy in with an empire pot of $770. Your hypothetical makes no sense with someone with a functioning brain. Why would you want to start over the empire pot at 0 because of bad luck, injuries, etc?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

The league is a $10 buy in with an empire pot of $770.

I actually did not know it was a $10 buy-in.

That does change things quite a bit. I must have missed that somewhere.

Are all empire leagues like that?

Also; I have a functional brain, but thanks yet again for taking the lowest possible road to communication through ad hominem personal attacks.

 

[smbkrypt24]

The league is a $10 buy in with an empire pot of $770.

I actually did not know it was a $10 buy-in.

That does change things quite a bit. I must have missed that somewhere.

Are all empire leagues like that?

Also; I have a functional brain, but thanks yet again for taking the lowest possible road to communication through ad hominem personal attacks.

Perpetually the victim.
The league buy in and pot information is in this thread. I take the time to read through the information and then provide my opinion so I am as informed as I can be.

 

[eighsse2]

The league is a $10 buy in with an empire pot of $770.

I actually did not know it was a $10 buy-in.

That does change things quite a bit. I must have missed that somewhere.

Are all empire leagues like that?

Also; I have a functional brain, but thanks yet again for taking the lowest possible road to communication through ad hominem personal attacks.

That's pretty much how I was seeing it. I liked your idea if you somehow end up with your roster trashed within the first year or two after a reset. But if it's a massive pot, nah, I'd rather be hopeful that I could get back in the game within two or three years.

 

[eighsse2]

The league is a $10 buy in with an empire pot of $770.

I actually did not know it was a $10 buy-in.

That does change things quite a bit. I must have missed that somewhere.

Are all empire leagues like that?

Also; I have a functional brain, but thanks yet again for taking the lowest possible road to communication through ad hominem personal attacks.

Perpetually the victim.
The league buy in and pot information is in this thread. I take the time to read through the information and then provide my opinion so I am as informed as I can be.

That's ideal, and good on you, genuinely. But sometimes there are, well ... a lot of messages. And a lot of messages on different topics interspersed. I didn't know what the pot and the buy-in were, and I looked back a ways.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

But if it's a massive pot, nah, I'd rather be hopeful that I could get back in the game within two or three years.

Yes, that it’s a $10 buy-in changes the calculus signicantly on that.

So it would take ~6-7-8 years for the pot to get that big?

In that light I would also work to rebuild instead.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Perpetually the victim.

Perpetually the one making personal attacks. You don’t need to do that, but you did. And it’s a pattern. This isn’t the 1st time I’ve called you out on it.

The league buy in and pot information is in this thread. I take the time to read through the information and then provide my opinion so I am as informed as I can be.

I also take the time to read posts. I’m not perfect. I missed the $10 buy-in part.

That’s no excuse for ad hominem.

I happen to be dealing with a dog recovering from PTLO surgery right now and it’s a handful - it has me a little distracted. If I didn’t absorb every bit of minutia about a league format I was unfamiliar with, then perhaps it could be pointed out to me without the implication that I lack a functioning brain.
Thanks for your future kindness and patience.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I didn't know what the pot and the buy-in were, and I looked back a ways.

None of us are perfect - I thought I’d read every post and didn’t see anything about a $10 buy-in either.

 

[smbkrypt24]

The league is a $10 buy in with an empire pot of $770.

I actually did not know it was a $10 buy-in.

That does change things quite a bit. I must have missed that somewhere.

Are all empire leagues like that?

Also; I have a functional brain, but thanks yet again for taking the lowest possible road to communication through ad hominem personal attacks.

Perpetually the victim.
The league buy in and pot information is in this thread. I take the time to read through the information and then provide my opinion so I am as informed as I can be.

That's ideal, and good on you, genuinely. But sometimes there are, well ... a lot of messages. And a lot of messages on different topics interspersed. I didn't know what the pot and the buy-in were, and I looked back a ways.

Just one approach. It is helpful to me so the discussion stays on track. It seems like more discussions take a quick left turn because people don't use facts, misremember something (injuries in one thread, age here, etc.) when all someone has to do is read the thread or google an answer.

 

[smbkrypt24]

Perpetually the victim.

Perpetually the one making personal attacks. You don’t need to do that, but you did. And it’s a pattern. This isn’t the 1st time I’ve called you out on it.

The league buy in and pot information is in this thread. I take the time to read through the information and then provide my opinion so I am as informed as I can be.

I also take the time to read posts. I’m not perfect. I missed the $10 buy-in part.

That’s no excuse for ad hominem.

I happen to be dealing with a dog recovering from PTLO surgery right now and it’s a handful - it has me a little distracted. If I didn’t absorb every bit of minutia about a league format I was unfamiliar with, then perhaps it could be pointed out to me without the implication that I lack a functioning brain.
Thanks for your future kindness and patience.

Sorry you are going through that with your dog. I don't wish that on anyone.
None of what I did was a personal attack. You said you didn't know that information that was typed in this thread, so that means you didn't have that information in your brain to come to the same conclusion.
Let's stick to trades or discussion of trades here.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

so that means you didn't have that information in your brain to come to the same conclusion.

Right. That doesn’t mean I don’t have a functional brain though. Anyway, we can move past that I hope.

Let's stick to trades or discussion of trades here.

Agreed.

It’s an interesting format - maybe it would be good for it to have its own topic to help educate those of us who are unfamiliar.

 

[ghostguy123]

That trade to me has nothing to do with you mentioning how a team might load up the previous champ to try and get the league reset.

It’s the exact same reasoning.

No, it's really not.

In both circumstances a trade is helping the champ to repeat.

Only the motivation is different.

The reasoning is the same.

• roster so good he has to go for it
• roster so bad, he has to try to help that team go for it

In both circumstances if the LCG champ fails to repeat it can be negatively impactful.

If the LCG team repeats, the the reset button is hit.

Again, they already have a rule that the LCG champ can’t trade future picks. But they can trade a bag of ok players for an elite one.

Seems like a rules inconsistency. If I’m the shareholder of the hopelessly broken team, imma do what I can to help the stacked team to repeat - he’s too close not to.

Maybe I missed it, but the key to these Empire leagues is the money that goes to the Empire pot. Winning once would be 1x, but winning the next year is likely to be 3x or 4x. So, your roster is not ready to compete, but if no one wins back to back by the time you are ready to compete the pot might be 8x, 9x, etc... You'd rather help the league reset, then fight to obtain the windfall?

In the hypothetical, a bad luck team had some bad draft picks, bad luck with injury, bad trades - the sort of roster that would take many many seasons to rebuild, in a league with a completely stacked team just just traded for a WR1 and got even better.

Just seems like instead of struggling for years, a quicker path to contention would be to help the league reset.

I’m not in an empire league, so it has nothing to do with what I would rather do. I’m just pointing out what could be an issue with that format.

You can try to help the champ and reset, but doing so by killing your team is stupid.
Trade Kupp for Tee Higgins? Sure. Trade Kupp for a good player who's out for the year? Sure
Trade Kupp for Marcos Marriotta? Very stupid.

 

[Da Franchise]

I mean, what HSG is suggesting could be a factor is just called collusion. Most leagues have guardrails against collusion. Imagine the commish would treat it accordingly and if not, the league has big problems anyway.

 

[Jonesin For Some Football]

Another thought on this Empire thing (hey, the thread derail ship sailed a while back). I know there is the rule preventing a reigning champion from trading to go all in. But is there any limitation preventing someone from selling every future pick available to try to totally max out his win-now roster and hope for back-to-backers? I guess it would carry plenty of risk anyway. If you don't get it (and it's still not very likely, even with a maxed out roster), then you're screwed.

Ours limits you to only trading picks 2 future years out so you don't get too crazy but you definitely can try that.

 

[Jonesin For Some Football]

and then the team doesnt win a title, and you are right back where you started......and without Jefferson

That’s a possible outcome, sure.

But folks are all in on the Kupp trade because OP’s roster is so stacked. Surely adding Jefferson to a roster like that would further help to ensure them a back to back championship, no?

By the same (inverse) logic, isn’t it worth it for the horrible team to “go for it” or “go all-in” on that dude’s championship too? Isn’t it worth that risk to deal away JJ with the prize being that they get to hit the reset button on an otherwise totally failed roster?

Seems like the worst case scenario you describe is that hypothetical team’s current situation regardless. So might as well try to go for the reset, no?

Less risky than the Kupp deal in a way - the failed team has nothing to lose.


Seems like a legit risk of such a league format. It’s the same reasoning for why the LCG winner isn’t allowed to deal future draft picks, no?

You are totally right that is an option. I just think that if it takes 10 years for the pot to get that high, most teams wouldn't do that because even if they do reset and build a back-to-back winner then they may get like $50 instead of $750 if they let it ride. All part of the strategy for sure but I think I'd like the pot staying large if possible. I get the other side too and with no picks involved the trade would be obvious if it was terrible so it would still have to look mostly fair to pass.