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Uh oh, Travis Lee. Three outs.Basehit!Okay, let's go Huff!Groundout.Here comes GathrightOops, he K'd.Just in time for Crawford to hitSox/Yanks game is pretty much over so I'm switching over to the Rays/Jays game. GB MLB.TV at work
What's this 'we' ####, John.It sounds like a good idea on paper, but seems like it'll be a ##### to enforce. Every player will have to be looked up and approved after each pick, and with 24 teams and 24 rounds, it's going to be even harder to find guys you need that fit a certain statistical criteria. Checking for guys that made the '94 cutoff was hard enough, now we want to peruse their career totals to see if they fit? That's going to be really fun starting in about round 15.Just eliminate all rules and go from there. If guy's want to draft a one year wonder, let them. Everyone is in the same boat here. It's not like the guy who had one great year didn't actually have that great year. I think we're worrying too much about these guys. There are only a handful of guys who will actually effect the sim. And if we're using any year we want, some of the all time career greats have MONSTER single years in there as to offset those one year wonders. The less rules the better.
If we were drafting guys to play for a career's worth of sims, then I'd agree. We're only drafting for a single season. Why not just allow everybody to choose who they want and at which season they want (including old time pitchers and last years hitters)?
BALK! Huff to second.Still, Lee suxors.Uh oh, Travis Lee. Three outs.Basehit!Okay, let's go Huff!Groundout.Here comes GathrightOops, he K'd.Just in time for Crawford to hitSox/Yanks game is pretty much over so I'm switching over to the Rays/Jays game. GB MLB.TV at work
Chris Singleton: STILL EMPLOYED!BALK! Huff to second.Still, Lee suxors.Uh oh, Travis Lee. Three outs.Basehit!Okay, let's go Huff!Groundout.Here comes GathrightOops, he K'd.Just in time for Crawford to hitSox/Yanks game is pretty much over so I'm switching over to the Rays/Jays game. GB MLB.TV at work
ERROR by Hudson! Huff to 3rd. Lee on 1st.LET'S GO LUGO!BALK! Huff to second.Still, Lee suxors.Uh oh, Travis Lee. Three outs.Basehit!Okay, let's go Huff!Groundout.Here comes GathrightOops, he K'd.Just in time for Crawford to hitSox/Yanks game is pretty much over so I'm switching over to the Rays/Jays game. GB MLB.TV at work
Groundout by Lugo.ERROR by Hudson! Huff to 3rd. Lee on 1st.LET'S GO LUGO!BALK! Huff to second.Still, Lee suxors.Uh oh, Travis Lee. Three outs.Basehit!Okay, let's go Huff!Groundout.Here comes GathrightOops, he K'd.Just in time for Crawford to hitSox/Yanks game is pretty much over so I'm switching over to the Rays/Jays game. GB MLB.TV at work
That's three.
It won't be hard at all to enforce IMO. Remember, a player only has to quallify in one way. Each player's career line can be taken from baseball-reference.com and skimmed over ... takes just a few seconds.And the career totals given are generous. I did do some basic research to make sure there weren't any cut-offs that only, say, 20 guys all-time qualified for.
This is starting to feel like an AWESOME DEVIL RAYS DYNASTY only more interesting.Groundout by Lugo.
That's three.
I assumed to be asked if I could participate.What's this 'we' ####, John.It sounds like a good idea on paper, but seems like it'll be a ##### to enforce. Every player will have to be looked up and approved after each pick, and with 24 teams and 24 rounds, it's going to be even harder to find guys you need that fit a certain statistical criteria. Checking for guys that made the '94 cutoff was hard enough, now we want to peruse their career totals to see if they fit? That's going to be really fun starting in about round 15.Just eliminate all rules and go from there. If guy's want to draft a one year wonder, let them. Everyone is in the same boat here. It's not like the guy who had one great year didn't actually have that great year. I think we're worrying too much about these guys. There are only a handful of guys who will actually effect the sim. And if we're using any year we want, some of the all time career greats have MONSTER single years in there as to offset those one year wonders. The less rules the better.
If we were drafting guys to play for a career's worth of sims, then I'd agree. We're only drafting for a single season. Why not just allow everybody to choose who they want and at which season they want (including old time pitchers and last years hitters)?
Hi, JohnYou know what happens when you assume, right? That won't fly in here, guy.I assumed to be asked if I could participate.
I hear you, I just don't understand what we're protecting by adding rules like this.
The only reason I can give you is to make the MLB II draft conform to the original ideals of the original draft. Since WIS.com's sim engine contraverts those ideals to some extent, the parameters of the draft would have to be tweaked somewhat.Another way to look at it is this -- WIS.com is fine for simulating games, but not fine as a way of determining who the all-time greats really are. Success in WIS's engine != quality as an actual major-leaguer. Something outside of the sim engine is going to have to determine minimum player quality first -- then the sim engine can work it all out.
Have you told everyone you know the big secret for tonights finale. You're going to be the hit of the office with that kind of inside info....Hi, JohnYou know what happens when you assume, right? That won't fly in here, guy.I assumed to be asked if I could participate.
JoeWB
rootin' for the Rays :rotflmao: :rotflmao:ERROR by Hudson! Huff to 3rd. Lee on 1st.LET'S GO LUGO!BALK! Huff to second.Still, Lee suxors.Uh oh, Travis Lee. Three outs.Basehit!Okay, let's go Huff!Groundout.Here comes GathrightOops, he K'd.Just in time for Crawford to hitSox/Yanks game is pretty much over so I'm switching over to the Rays/Jays game. GB MLB.TV at work
Just the missus. I don't really work with anyone that watches West Wing.Will Nipsey be making an appearance tonight cuz that would be swell, lol.Have you told everyone you know the big secret for tonights finale. You're going to be the hit of the office with that kind of inside info....Hi, JohnYou know what happens when you assume, right? That won't fly in here, guy.I assumed to be asked if I could participate.
JoeWB
Not a Rays fan but it's fun to watch a few of their guys.rootin' for the Rays :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Put it this way -- according to the WIS sim, Paul Quantrill, was one of the greatest relievers of all time.Any baseball fan knows that's unmitigated bull puckey. So if WIS's sim can't seperate the truly great from even the decent players, we'll have to do that ahead of time -- before players are entered into our WIS rosters.
Nice K looking there, Chris.Basehit for Cantu though. Kid can hit. So far anyway
It's not like WIS is making up Quantrill's numbers though.We need to call this thing exactly what it is, which is a simulation of one season using a players single (best) season. i think we're getting caught up in the "all-time" greats aspect of it. There is simply no way to simulate that. Why not just let guys draft who they want and let the chips fall where they fall. Nobody is gaining an advantage either way.
That's what the WIS sim is. That dosn't have to be what the draft is.
You simulate an all-time greats draft by eliminating those that aren't ahead of time. For borderline cases, you consult the minimum standards. There will be some disappointments, granted. The question we all have to answer for ourselves is: if the whole draft/sim experiences necessarily must have some letdowns, where do we want those letdowns to be?For me, I prefer to be let down that I can't take Brady Anderson's 50-HR season over being let down that Paul Quantrill is mowing my team of HOF batters down every game.
They have Restovich now right? He's gotta be in the lineup soon.
Why have the draft if you're not going to do a sim? We're drafting for the sim, no?
Lebrongate and this are two completely different things. Lebrongate was a draft that was for a vote, this is for a sim. Huge difference.waivers. has to clear, then getting sent to durham.btw, I do think nipsey's argument is funny, considering his stance on Lebrongate.They have Restovich now right? He's gotta be in the lineup soon.
You watching?
Yes and no, the way I'm looking at it.The way I see it, the parameters and specifics of the WIS sim do not necessarily have to dominate the drafting strategy just because we happen to be using that sim. Influence the drafting strategy? Yes, indeed. But not dominate.We're drafting for the sim, no?
Man, John Martinez is getting
Man, John Martinez is getting
No, he's not. I think he makes a very good point. I think everyone else will have a much better chance to compete and be at the front edge of the pack if they have free reign to pick any player, from any year.
Yes and no, the way I'm looking at it.The way I see it, the parameters and specifics of the WIS sim do not necessarily have to dominate the drafting strategy just because we happen to be using that sim. Influence the drafting strategy? Yes, indeed. But not dominate.We're drafting for the sim, no?
To limit the sim's influence over drafting strategy, we can bring in some extra parameters (e.g. minimum career standards).
If I just wanted to do a sim, I'd slap my $13 down tomorrow, draft a team and leave you clowns behind.
That blows. Lugo just got tossed for arguing balls and strikes. Oops.Cantu looks pretty good. Expectations?Blacked out here, 300 miles away.
Going home during the next homestand to catch a few. GB Carl and Aubrey.
I simply disagree. You can't have it both ways. Either we're doing a sim or we aren't. That's what got us into trouble for this draft. Some simfished, while others drafted a team for a vote. If we're doing this for another sim, why be on the fence about the reason to draft a player? If you want to pick guys because they reflect your beliefs on what an "all-time great" should be, that's fine. Just don't expect to win and don't penalize other owners who don't share the same beliefs you do.Yes and no, the way I'm looking at it.The way I see it, the parameters and specifics of the WIS sim do not necessarily have to dominate the drafting strategy just because we happen to be using that sim. Influence the drafting strategy? Yes, indeed. But not dominate.We're drafting for the sim, no?
To limit the sim's influence over drafting strategy, we can bring in some extra parameters (e.g. minimum career standards).
.300-8-65 is what I have him down for.Good gap/doubles power, hopefully that translates into some homers later in the year.That blows. Lugo just got tossed for arguing balls and strikes. Oops.Cantu looks pretty good. Expectations?Blacked out here, 300 miles away.
Going home during the next homestand to catch a few. GB Carl and Aubrey.
I think everyone's here for the draft too, just don't understand how limiting who you can or can't pick will make the actual draft better.Yes and no, the way I'm looking at it.The way I see it, the parameters and specifics of the WIS sim do not necessarily have to dominate the drafting strategy just because we happen to be using that sim. Influence the drafting strategy? Yes, indeed. But not dominate.We're drafting for the sim, no?
To limit the sim's influence over drafting strategy, we can bring in some extra parameters (e.g. minimum career standards).
I'm here for the draft, baby.
That's pretty much what I thought too. All I know is that he's a ##### to trade for in MVP. The Rays won't deal him unless you overpay.
Two ships passing in the night....What Doug is saying is draft for the sim, but the guy drafted has to meet some minimum threshold.I simply disagree. You can't have it both ways. Either we're doing a sim or we aren't. That's what got us into trouble for this draft. Some simfished, while others drafted a team for a vote. If we're doing this for another sim, why be on the fence about the reason to draft a player? If you want to pick guys because they reflect your beliefs on what an "all-time great" should be, that's fine. Just don't expect to win and don't penalize other owners who don't share the same beliefs you do.Yes and no, the way I'm looking at it.The way I see it, the parameters and specifics of the WIS sim do not necessarily have to dominate the drafting strategy just because we happen to be using that sim. Influence the drafting strategy? Yes, indeed. But not dominate.We're drafting for the sim, no?
To limit the sim's influence over drafting strategy, we can bring in some extra parameters (e.g. minimum career standards).
If this is how we do it, with no rules, I'm still going to draft an "all-time" as opposed to an "all simfished" squad. Only I'll whine about it constantly, because its one of the few things I'm good at.I simply disagree. You can't have it both ways. Either we're doing a sim or we aren't. That's what got us into trouble for this draft. Some simfished, while others drafted a team for a vote. If we're doing this for another sim, why be on the fence about the reason to draft a player? If you want to pick guys because they reflect your beliefs on what an "all-time great" should be, that's fine. Just don't expect to win and don't penalize other owners who don't share the same beliefs you do.Yes and no, the way I'm looking at it.The way I see it, the parameters and specifics of the WIS sim do not necessarily have to dominate the drafting strategy just because we happen to be using that sim. Influence the drafting strategy? Yes, indeed. But not dominate.We're drafting for the sim, no?
To limit the sim's influence over drafting strategy, we can bring in some extra parameters (e.g. minimum career standards).
I know exactly what he's saying, I just don't know why he's saying it.Two ships passing in the night....What Doug is saying is draft for the sim, but the guy drafted has to meet some minimum threshold.I simply disagree. You can't have it both ways. Either we're doing a sim or we aren't. That's what got us into trouble for this draft. Some simfished, while others drafted a team for a vote. If we're doing this for another sim, why be on the fence about the reason to draft a player? If you want to pick guys because they reflect your beliefs on what an "all-time great" should be, that's fine. Just don't expect to win and don't penalize other owners who don't share the same beliefs you do.Yes and no, the way I'm looking at it.The way I see it, the parameters and specifics of the WIS sim do not necessarily have to dominate the drafting strategy just because we happen to be using that sim. Influence the drafting strategy? Yes, indeed. But not dominate.We're drafting for the sim, no?
To limit the sim's influence over drafting strategy, we can bring in some extra parameters (e.g. minimum career standards).
If this is how we do it, with no rules, I'm still going to draft an "all-time" as opposed to an "all simfished" squad. Only I'll whine about it constantly, because its one of the few things I'm good at.I simply disagree. You can't have it both ways. Either we're doing a sim or we aren't. That's what got us into trouble for this draft. Some simfished, while others drafted a team for a vote. If we're doing this for another sim, why be on the fence about the reason to draft a player? If you want to pick guys because they reflect your beliefs on what an "all-time great" should be, that's fine. Just don't expect to win and don't penalize other owners who don't share the same beliefs you do.Yes and no, the way I'm looking at it.The way I see it, the parameters and specifics of the WIS sim do not necessarily have to dominate the drafting strategy just because we happen to be using that sim. Influence the drafting strategy? Yes, indeed. But not dominate.We're drafting for the sim, no?
To limit the sim's influence over drafting strategy, we can bring in some extra parameters (e.g. minimum career standards).
I don't agree. Everyone goes into the next draft aware of all the limiting factors will be.In the recently-passed draft, some drafters knew to sim-fish from the get-go, some didn't. In addition, the goal of the draft was muddled at the beginning -- first it was a vote, then a vote and a sim, then finally the sim. It wasn't like the people who sim-fished are smarter or better drafters than other folks.
He's just saying he wants name players in the sim not a team of Wakefield's and Quantrill's...if you disagree with that we may never be able to share a hooker.I know exactly what he's saying, I just don't know why he's saying it.Two ships passing in the night....What Doug is saying is draft for the sim, but the guy drafted has to meet some minimum threshold.I simply disagree. You can't have it both ways. Either we're doing a sim or we aren't. That's what got us into trouble for this draft. Some simfished, while others drafted a team for a vote. If we're doing this for another sim, why be on the fence about the reason to draft a player? If you want to pick guys because they reflect your beliefs on what an "all-time great" should be, that's fine. Just don't expect to win and don't penalize other owners who don't share the same beliefs you do.Yes and no, the way I'm looking at it.The way I see it, the parameters and specifics of the WIS sim do not necessarily have to dominate the drafting strategy just because we happen to be using that sim. Influence the drafting strategy? Yes, indeed. But not dominate.We're drafting for the sim, no?
To limit the sim's influence over drafting strategy, we can bring in some extra parameters (e.g. minimum career standards).
