Official monkeypox discussion thread (1 Viewer)

[Max Power]

“Into kids” wtf man.   Do you have kids?

Yes, several

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Yes, several

How often have your kids gotten colds from you “putting fluids into your kids?”

 

[FairWarning]

We’re hosed when a legitimate infectious threat creates the next pandemic. Avian flu is probably the most likely candidate.

Polio in NY?    Surprised this hasn’t happened sooner, thanks to these anti-vaxxers for the last decade.  

 

[Max Power]

How often have your kids gotten colds from you “putting fluids into your kids?”

Sure respiratory droplets. This isnt that. 

UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA) has said there is no evidence monkeypox is spreading outside of sexual contact.

That assessment also jives with what we are seeing. If it spread in the same way as covid does, it wouldnt be overwhelmingly in the gay community. 

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Sure respiratory droplets. This isnt that. 

UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA) has said there is no evidence monkeypox is spreading outside of sexual contact.

That assessment also jives with what we are seeing. If it spread in the same way as covid does, it wouldnt be overwhelmingly in the gay community. 

How do you think kids are getting it?

 

[Max Power]

How do you think kids are getting it?

Probably close contact with lesions or bodily fluids, but like I said I'm open to more theories.

I'm just not buying the respiratory secretion theory anymore due to the UK saying they have no evidence of it and the lack of transfer outside of the gay community.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Probably close contact with lesions or bodily fluids, but like I said I'm open to more theories.

I'm just not buying the respiratory secretion theory anymore due to the UK saying they have no evidence of it and the lack of transfer outside of the gay community.

From the CDC website:

“direct contact with the infectious rash, scabs, or body fluids”

”touching items (such as clothing or linens) that previously touched the infectious rash or body fluids”

https://www.cdc.gov/poxvirus/monkeypox/transmission.html
 

It’s not like this is some complete unknown.  It took me 15 seconds on Google to find this.

 

[The General]

Probably close contact with lesions or bodily fluids, but like I said I'm open to more theories.

I'm just not buying the respiratory secretion theory anymore due to the UK saying they have no evidence of it and the lack of transfer outside of the gay community.

The first human case in the 70’s was in a 9 month old baby. 

 

[Max Power]

From the CDC website:

“direct contact with the infectious rash, scabs, or body fluids”

”touching items (such as clothing or linens) that previously touched the infectious rash or body fluids”

https://www.cdc.gov/poxvirus/monkeypox/transmission.html
 

It’s not like this is some complete unknown.  It took me 15 seconds on Google to find this.

And that's what I said. Close contact with lesions or body fluids. 

Maybe the community just has to be educated on not sharing beds with kids while they have open stores. I just assumed that was a given.

 

[Max Power]

The first human case in the 70’s was in a 9 month old baby. 

How'd the baby get it?

 

[Alex P Keaton]

And that's what I said. Close contact with lesions or body fluids. 

Maybe the community just has to be educated on not sharing beds with kids while they have open stores. I just assumed that was a given.

What do you mean by “not sharing beds with kids?”  Kids get colds all the time from fluids.  Are your kids sharing a bed with you?  Is that how they’ve gotten colds in the past?

 

[The General]

How'd the baby get it?

I’m not sure. 

 

[Max Power]

What do you mean by “not sharing beds with kids?”  Kids get colds all the time from fluids.  Are your kids sharing a bed with you?  Is that how they’ve gotten colds in the past?

I expanded on the dirty bedsheets example from the CDC.

I dont understand why you're still bringing up the cold example. I dont think monkeypox spreads that way. 

Do you think monkeypox is spreading in the gay community only through airborne particles?

For the record, I avoid being close to my kids when I'm sick or they are sick. I dont kiss my sons and my daughters only give me a kiss once in a while. They are starting to get too cool to do that now.

 

[Max Power]

I’m not sure. 

I would also have accepted "monkeys". 

 

[Alex P Keaton]

I expanded on the dirty bedsheets example from the CDC.

I dont understand why you're still bringing up the cold example. I dont think monkeypox spreads that way. 

Do you think monkeypox is spreading in the gay community only through airborne particles?

For the record, I avoid being close to my kids when I'm sick or they are sick. I dont kiss my sons and my daughters only give me a kiss once in a while. They are starting to get too cool to do that now.

I’m just confused as to why you think this is happening from kids sleeping in a bed with their gay parents.  It seems like you are implying something else.

 

[Max Power]

I’m just confused as to why you think this is happening from kids sleeping in a bed with their gay parents.  It seems like you are implying something else.

I'm not saying that. You seem to be inferring a lot here. Why do you think kids are getting monkeypox?

The WHO just declared monkeypox a global health emergency. I think we should at least have some consensus on how it spreads. 

 

[Alex P Keaton]

I'm not saying that. You seem to be inferring a lot here. Why do you think kids are getting monkeypox?

The WHO just declared monkeypox a global health emergency. I think we should at least have some consensus on how it spreads. 

I already shared a link on how it spreads.

 

[Max Power]

I already shared a link on how it spreads.

And yet you're still comparing it to a cold.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

And yet you're still comparing it to a cold.

I’m not “comparing it to a cold.”  I’m asking why you think kids get it from their gay parents.   And why you think kids don’t get colds from their gay parents.  Or other illnesses from specifically gay parents.  There must be some explanation.  Stop speaking in code and tell us what you really mean.

It’s absurd, reading how monkeypox spreads, to think that this is a “gay disease.”  

 

[Max Power]

I’m not “comparing it to a cold.”  I’m asking why you think kids get it from their gay parents.   And why you think kids don’t get colds from their gay parents.  Or other illnesses from specifically gay parents.  There must be some explanation.  Stop speaking in code and tell us what you really mean.

It’s absurd, reading how monkeypox spreads, to think that this is a “gay disease.”  

It's the facts of the story. Children who live in gay households are more at risk. 

Revealing the infections at a virtual event for the Washington Post, Walensky said: 'We have seen now two cases that have occurred in children.

'Both of these are traced back to individuals who come from the men-who-have-sex-with-men community, the gay men's community.'

99% of the confirmed cases of monkeypox are linked to the men who have sex with men community. 

 

[RCon]

99% of the confirmed cases of monkeypox are linked to the men who have sex with men community. 

You have a legit link showing this?

 

[John123]

You have a legit link showing this?

This is the problem with our current woke, politically correct society.  More importantly, the main stream media refuses to report things that are uncomfortable like the fact that monkeypox is mainly happening in the Men who have sex with Men (MSM) community.  I don't know that it's 99% but it's very high:

https://www.science.org/content/article/monkeypox-outbreak-mostly-affecting-men-sex-men

 

[John123]

WHO has declared Monkeypox a global emergency, so expect lockdowns to commence next week.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

This is the problem with our current woke, politically correct society.  More importantly, the main stream media refuses to report things that are uncomfortable like the fact that monkeypox is mainly happening in the Men who have sex with Men (MSM) community.  I don't know that it's 99% but it's very high:

https://www.science.org/content/article/monkeypox-outbreak-mostly-affecting-men-sex-men

Remember how we spent two years quietly judging people who caught a communicable illness?  How funny all those Darwin award jokes were?  The one about Herman Cain was just hilarious.  Because really, if you failed to take all the precautions and got sick, it was obvious because of a moral failure on your part.

I'm going to go out on the world's shortest limb and predict that the narrative around monkeypox is a wee bit different.

(I sometimes think the strongest observational evidence in favor of the simulation hypothesis is the fact that it sure seems like the events in the simulation are being scripted as one long series of consistency checks.  It's as if that's what we're being tested on for some reason, and the people running the simulation are trying to see just how on-the-nose they can make it before the marks get wise.)

 

[Max Power]

You have a legit link showing this?

Depends how legit you think the CDC is.

Speaking on a conference call, Dr Jennifer McQuiston, the deputy director of the CDC’s division of high consequence pathogens and pathology, said it was not a surprise that pediatric cases of monkeypox had emerged, but “there is no evidence to date that we are seeing this virus spread outside” the communities of gay, bisexual and other men who had sex with men.

She said 99% of the 2,891 monkeypox cases confirmed in the US involved men who have sex with men, but there had been a handful of women and transgender men who had become infected.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jul/23/monkeypox-us-confirms-first-cases-of-virus-in-children

 

[Max Power]

Remember how we spent two years quietly judging people who caught a communicable illness?  How funny all those Darwin award jokes were?  The one about Herman Cain was just hilarious.  Because really, if you failed to take all the precautions and got sick, it was obvious because of a moral failure on your part.

I'm going to go out on the world's shortest limb and predict that the narrative around monkeypox is a wee bit different.

I dont even know what the narrative is, but I've been getting it wrong all morning

 

[Max Power]

This is the problem with our current woke, politically correct society.  More importantly, the main stream media refuses to report things that are uncomfortable like the fact that monkeypox is mainly happening in the Men who have sex with Men (MSM) community.  I don't know that it's 99% but it's very high:

https://www.science.org/content/article/monkeypox-outbreak-mostly-affecting-men-sex-men

Being PC is more important than being blunt with the truth. Its better to put people at risk than hurt their feelings. We cant risk stigmatizing people, unless it's the unvax'd, because #### those people.

What a time to be alive.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Being PC is more important than being blunt with the truth. Its better to put people at risk than hurt their feelings. We cant risk stigmatizing people, unless it's the unvax'd, because #### those people.

What a time to be alive.

I have zero problem saying that gay men appear to have a higher rate of monkeypox today — by a large margin — than anyone else.  That doesn’t make it a “gay disease.”  IMO that’s what you’ve been implying.  And hey, some of us might remember when people thought that only gay men could acquire and spread AIDS.

 

[RCon]

Depends how legit you think the CDC is.

You're the one constantly telling me how useless the CDC is, are you not?

 

[supermike80]

WHO has declared Monkeypox a global emergency, so expect lockdowns to commence next week.

$$$$$

 

[Max Power]

I have zero problem saying that gay men appear to have a higher rate of monkeypox today — by a large margin — than anyone else.  That doesn’t make it a “gay disease.”  IMO that’s what you’ve been implying.  And hey, some of us might remember when people thought that only gay men could acquire and spread AIDS.

I never called it a "gay disease". But 99% is 99%. 

 

[Max Power]

You're the one constantly telling me how useless the CDC is, are you not?

Yeah they arent the sharpest IMO. Arent you the on the side of the CDC knows best though? 

That was a fun exercise...

 

[RCon]

Yeah they arent the sharpest IMO. Arent you the on the side of the CDC knows best though? 

That was a fun exercise...

I'm really not.  The CDC isn't perfect.  No human organization is.  I think there are times to be skeptical.  That said, asking for a link is perfectly reasonable.  You have a long history of making outlandish claims without evidence (Space Force election, Italian satellites, Maricopa county 500K extra votes for Biden, ivermectin, ...).

 

[Max Power]

I'm really not.  The CDC isn't perfect.  No human organization is.  I think there are times to be skeptical.  That said, asking for a link is perfectly reasonable.  You have a long history of making outlandish claims without evidence (Space Force election, Italian satellites, Maricopa county 500K extra votes for Biden, ivermectin, ...).

You have a long history of doing this ####...

 

[RCon]

You have a long history of doing this ####...

Perhaps.  It's true, though, is it not?

 

[Max Power]

Perhaps.  It's true, though, is it not?

Sure, but when you deviate from the topic at hand and bring up old stuff it comes off as weak and that you have nothing more to offer on the current topic. 

 

[shader]

I’m not “comparing it to a cold.”  I’m asking why you think kids get it from their gay parents.   And why you think kids don’t get colds from their gay parents.  Or other illnesses from specifically gay parents.  There must be some explanation.  Stop speaking in code and tell us what you really mean.

It’s absurd, reading how monkeypox spreads, to think that this is a “gay disease.”  

It’s literally a disease that has spread in large part due to the gay community. Might not be the woke thing to say, but it’s the truth.
 

 

[Alex P Keaton]

It’s literally a disease that has spread in large part due to the gay community. Might not be the woke thing to say, but it’s the truth.
 

Cool.  How do you think the kids got the illness from their gay parents?

 

[Max Power]

Cool.  How do you think the kids got the illness from their gay parents?

Body fluids

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Body fluids

Which body fluids?

 

[Max Power]

Which body fluids?

CDC doesnt break that down. 

Per the CDC:

Monkeypox spreads in different ways. The virus can spread from person-to-person through:

direct contact with the infectious rash, scabs, or body fluids

respiratory secretions during prolonged, face-to-face contact, or during intimate physical contact, such as kissing, cuddling, or sex.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

CDC doesnt break that down. 

Per the CDC:

Monkeypox spreads in different ways. The virus can spread from person-to-person through:

direct contact with the infectious rash, scabs, or body fluids

respiratory secretions during prolonged, face-to-face contact, or during intimate physical contact, such as kissing, cuddling, or sex.

Yeah, I’m aware.  If you recall, I shared a CDC link in here, oh, earlier today about 6 hours ago.

I’m asking what your hunch is, since you seem to have opinions on this topic.

 

[shader]

Cool.  How do you think the kids got the illness from their gay parents?

I don’t know.  What’s your point though?

 

[Max Power]

Yeah, I’m aware.  If you recall, I shared a CDC link in here, oh, earlier today about 6 hours ago.

I’m asking what your hunch is, since you seem to have opinions on this topic.

There are countless scenarios in how it could have spread. I think body fluid transfer is more likely than prolonged respiratory secretions. UK seems to agree with that as well.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

There are countless scenarios in how it could have spread. I think body fluid transfer is more likely than prolonged respiratory secretions. UK seems to agree with that as well.

Again, I shared a link saying the same thing already.  So I don’t doubt for a second that it is either fluid or “skin to skin contact” as many health officials are discussing now.  

 

[shader]

I have zero problem saying that gay men appear to have a higher rate of monkeypox today — by a large margin — than anyone else.  That doesn’t make it a “gay disease.”  IMO that’s what you’ve been implying.  And hey, some of us might remember when people thought that only gay men could acquire and spread AIDS.

When people call it a gay disease (not sure who is using those words) they aren’t implying that gay people are the only people that can get it.  No one is that ridiculous and simple-minded.  And I’ve never met a single person who thought only gay men could acquire AIDS.  

 

[Alex P Keaton]

I don’t know.  What’s your point though?

A few folks in here seem to think the gay angle is a big part of the story.  
 

I’m going to go out on a limb and guess that within 4-6 weeks we see the percentage of cases in gay men (as a % of total) drop significantly.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Cool.  How do you think the kids got the illness from their gay parents?

My understanding is that monkeypox spreads mainly through close physical contact with an infected person.  I'm sure there are probably other, less efficient means of transmission, but that sounds like the main one.  Little kids hug, touch, and rub up against their parents all the time.  I have absolutely no idea whether you can spread monkeypox by using somebody else's blankets or linens, but those things get passed around in households too.  This isn't a mystery to anybody who's raised a kid.

As to why gay men are so prone to monkeypox, it's because monkeypox spreads mainly through close physical contact with an infected person, and gay men -- as a demographic group -- are really promiscuous.  That's not because they're gay.  It's because they're men.  We would have been super-promiscuous too if women were wired that way.  

None of this stuff requires any tiptoeing around.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

When people call it a gay disease (not sure who is using those words) they aren’t implying that gay people are the only people that can get it.  No one is that ridiculous and simple-minded.  And I’ve never met a single person who thought only gay men could acquire AIDS.  

That was absolutely a common narrative in the mid-80s.  I don’t know anyone who believes that now either — but if you think it wasn’t true in 1985, then you either weren’t alive then or you weren’t aware.

 

[shader]

A few folks in here seem to think the gay angle is a big part of the story.  
 

I’m going to go out on a limb and guess that within 4-6 weeks we see the percentage of cases in gay men (as a % of total) drop significantly.

Um…have you followed the news? This breakout is primarily due to the gay community.  They have far more sexual partners than other communities, and have driven the spread of this.  None of the above can even be argued against.