***Official NFC East Up/Down Poll*** (1 Viewer)

[Jayrod]

I'm just trying to get a pulse on what the general consensus is for each of the NFL teams.

Some things to consider when deciding:

-Schedule

-Draft

-Offseason trades, losses and acquisitions

-Retirements

-Coaching changes

-What the rest of the division is doing

Feel free to make a case in this thread or post your record predictions and cordially discuss them.

Link to each division's poll:

AFC West

AFC East

AFC North

AFC South

NFC West

NFC North

NFC South

 

[RC94]

Toughest division in the NFL in my opinion. Tough to play in and tough to predict.

 

[MAC_32]

Dallas: hold steady/decline - too many questionable characters for my liking, almost certainly to return to the playoffs and could repeat for the division title but I don't believe in this team's makeup and the leadership of it to make any sort of title run

Giants: hold steady - quality/great line play, solid RB depth, quality defense...how successful they are depends on Eli's arm - do you believe in the playoff version? or the three years prior?

Skins: decline - awful offseason, think Portis will have another quality season but the passing game, leadership, and new scheme look messy to me. Portis and the defense will keep them competitive.

Eagles: improve - if the key players stay healthy I see the division champs, call me crazy.

 

[Tyrion]

Dallas: Wow. I know I am a fan but even if I wasn't I would still be excited about the potential of this team. They could quite possibly be the team to show the Patriots how to go undefeated.

Giants: Alot is going to depend on whether Strahan returns and if Eli plays well. They should still finish at least 10-6 and return to the playoffs.

Eagles: I see them returning to the playoffs but it will depend on if McNabb is fully healthy and returns to pre 2007 form.

Redskins: I don't know... I just don't know.

 

[Jayrod]

Dallas: Wow. I know I am a fan but even if I wasn't I would still be excited about the potential of this team. They could quite possibly be the team to show the Patriots how to go undefeated.

Giants: Alot is going to depend on whether Strahan returns and if Eli plays well. They should still finish at least 10-6 and return to the playoffs.

Eagles: I see them returning to the playoffs but it will depend on if McNabb is fully healthy and returns to pre 2007 form.

Redskins: I don't know... I just don't know.

They are good, but not THAT good. I actually expect a bit of a decline as I think they played above their heads a bit last year.

 

[Ridgelake]

I think Dallas will be a better team than last year, but have a worse record. They snuck out some wins that had no business getting last season.

The talent on that defense is much much deeper than a year ago. Major step up there. The offense is minimally changed with only Julius Jones and Anthony Fasano being replaced by Felix Jones and Tony Curtis/Martelleus Bennett. But one injury to either Romo or TO and they drop from Top 5 offense to average at best offense.

NYC expect 10-6 and wildcard.

Washington, I have a hard time seeing how they can improve materially

Philly, with a modicum of health, they will be tough.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Whomever gets 4 wins in the division will likely win it.

It will be tough to get 3 teams again out of the division into the postseason. They all have to play the AFC North (Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Baltimore, Cincy) so that's likely 2 tough games for sure (PIT/CLE).

They also play the NFC West (AZ/SEA/SF/STL) so that might help records some.

I'd guess Dal/Phi/NYG as top 3, but all 3 could win the division. Philly really improved DBs and on DL, so that should help them. DAL improved at RB and with PacMan and with ZThomas. NYG - not much of an offseason (and losses are likely > gains) so they are ripe for a slide back.

Just an estimate:

Dal 10-6

Phi 10-6

NYG 9-7

Wash 7-9

 

[Andy Herron]

Dallas: hold steady/decline - too many questionable characters for my liking, almost certainly to return to the playoffs and could repeat for the division title but I don't believe in this team's makeup and the leadership of it to make any sort of title run

Giants: hold steady - quality/great line play, solid RB depth, quality defense...how successful they are depends on Eli's arm - do you believe in the playoff version? or the three years prior?

Skins: decline - awful offseason, think Portis will have another quality season but the passing game, leadership, and new scheme look messy to me. Portis and the defense will keep them competitive.

Eagles: improve - if the key players stay healthy I see the division champs, call me crazy.

Crazy.

 

[Andy Herron]

Tough division, no question. Possibly the best in the NFL.

As it stands, I think both Dallas and the Giants have reached the point they can pretty much slap the Eagles around. Philly doesn't scare anybody anymore.

Still a good team, just not good enough to compete for the NFC East. The Redskins, well, they're the Redskins. Jason Campbell and that defense need to step up.

Dallas- 11 to 13 wins.

Giants- 10 or 11.

Eagles- 8 or 9.

Redskins- 7 or 8.

 

[Mustang Man]

Dallas- I am a big fan but see them going 11-5 or 12-4. Tough schedule and going13-3/14-2 is very tough even for a top team.

NY Giants- They are a marked team, Super Bowl Champs 10-6 sounds about right.

Washington- New coaching staff and losing Gibbs will never be an upgrade. 7-9

Philly- the Eagles are better then they showed last season I see 9-7 maybe 10-6

 

[Sludge]

Tough division, no question. Possibly the best in the NFL.

As it stands, I think both Dallas and the Giants have reached the point they can pretty much slap the Eagles around. Philly doesn't scare anybody anymore.

Still a good team, just not good enough to compete for the NFC East. The Redskins, well, they're the Redskins. Jason Campbell and that defense need to step up.

Dallas- 11 to 13 wins.

Giants- 10 or 11.

Eagles- 8 or 9.

Redskins- 7 or 8.

Yeah those 6 points they put up against the Eagles in their last matchup was quite the slapping around.

 

[Meast21]

Dallas: hold steady/decline - too many questionable characters for my liking, almost certainly to return to the playoffs and could repeat for the division title but I don't believe in this team's makeup and the leadership of it to make any sort of title run

Giants: hold steady - quality/great line play, solid RB depth, quality defense...how successful they are depends on Eli's arm - do you believe in the playoff version? or the three years prior?

Skins: decline - awful offseason, think Portis will have another quality season but the passing game, leadership, and new scheme look messy to me. Portis and the defense will keep them competitive.

Eagles: improve - if the key players stay healthy I see the division champs, call me crazy.

What an awful statement...this has probably been the best offseason in the past 15 years for the Skins. 1) Not going after the big name head coach (Mariucci/Fassel) and instead signing a proven player and teacher, Jim Zorn, to help our young quarterback as head coach.

2) Implementing a new offense that may actually utilize our weapons to the utmost degree (Portis, El, Moss, Cooley + Davis, Kelly, Thomas).

3) Keeping ALL our draft picks and not using them on trades (Thank you Cincinnati).

4) Getting two of the best receivers from this draft class, best TE and best punter in the nation.

5) Getting Erasmus James for an conditional 7th round pick.

6) Providing quality depth throughout our whole team.

Care to explain how this equates to an awful offseason?

 

[Limecuda]

Dallas: hold steady/decline - too many questionable characters for my liking, almost certainly to return to the playoffs and could repeat for the division title but I don't believe in this team's makeup and the leadership of it to make any sort of title run

Giants: hold steady - quality/great line play, solid RB depth, quality defense...how successful they are depends on Eli's arm - do you believe in the playoff version? or the three years prior?

Skins: decline - awful offseason, think Portis will have another quality season but the passing game, leadership, and new scheme look messy to me. Portis and the defense will keep them competitive.

Eagles: improve - if the key players stay healthy I see the division champs, call me crazy.

What an awful statement...this has probably been the best offseason in the past 15 years for the Skins. 1) Not going after the big name head coach (Mariucci/Fassel) and instead signing a proven player and teacher, Jim Zorn, to help our young quarterback as head coach.

2) Implementing a new offense that may actually utilize our weapons to the utmost degree (Portis, El, Moss, Cooley + Davis, Kelly, Thomas).

3) Keeping ALL our draft picks and not using them on trades (Thank you Cincinnati).

4) Getting two of the best receivers from this draft class, best TE and best punter in the nation.

5) Getting Erasmus James for an conditional 7th round pick.

6) Providing quality depth throughout our whole team.

Care to explain how this equates to an awful offseason?

You just did it yourself.1. Zorn may be good but he is an unproven commodity.

2. New schemes always take time to get established.

3. Draft picks are unknown and even the best usually take a year or two to get established.

4. Wrs were weak this year. They may have been the best available, but overall the league view is they were not that highly touted.

5. What has James really done? If he was such a stud at this point why was he traded for a 7th?

6. This could very well be the case. Many teams need quality depth, but that quality has yet to be determined.

In the end there is no way to definitely say they helped their cause versus last season. At this point there are more questions than answers.

No one can say Dallas has not improved talentwise. Their weak point was secondary and now that is definitely a strength. They gain a leader on defense in Zach Thomas. That is not to say he is the old Thomas but he provides an element that has been missing in the lockerroom and in the huddle. Felix can only be better than Julia Jones.

Philly will be a second.

NYG a close third.

Washington will come on late after a slow start.

 

[Pickle Rody]

Philly 13-3 - Division Winner (5-1 in NFC East)

Dallas 11-5 - Wildcard (4-2 NFCE)

NY Giants 9-7 - (2-4)

Washington 6-10 (1-5)

I've been saying to anyone that will listen that the Eagles will be 13-3 this season and win the division. I know, most people laugh. Yeah well. My prediction in based on the theory that no one (McNabb) gets injured and they play lights out defense and special teams. I know I'm not the only one to think they could win the division, most just won't actually say it though.

From the looks of the poll to date: most think the Cowboys, Giants and Redskins decline while Philly improves.

 

[jurb26]

Dallas: hold steady/decline - too many questionable characters for my liking, almost certainly to return to the playoffs and could repeat for the division title but I don't believe in this team's makeup and the leadership of it to make any sort of title run

Giants: hold steady - quality/great line play, solid RB depth, quality defense...how successful they are depends on Eli's arm - do you believe in the playoff version? or the three years prior?

Skins: decline - awful offseason, think Portis will have another quality season but the passing game, leadership, and new scheme look messy to me. Portis and the defense will keep them competitive.

Eagles: improve - if the key players stay healthy I see the division champs, call me crazy.

What an awful statement...this has probably been the best offseason in the past 15 years for the Skins. 1) Not going after the big name head coach (Mariucci/Fassel) and instead signing a proven player and teacher, Jim Zorn, to help our young quarterback as head coach.

2) Implementing a new offense that may actually utilize our weapons to the utmost degree (Portis, El, Moss, Cooley + Davis, Kelly, Thomas).

3) Keeping ALL our draft picks and not using them on trades (Thank you Cincinnati).

4) Getting two of the best receivers from this draft class, best TE and best punter in the nation.

5) Getting Erasmus James for an conditional 7th round pick.

6) Providing quality depth throughout our whole team.

Care to explain how this equates to an awful offseason?

You just did it yourself.1. Zorn may be good but he is an unproven commodity.

2. New schemes always take time to get established.

3. Draft picks are unknown and even the best usually take a year or two to get established.

4. Wrs were weak this year. They may have been the best available, but overall the league view is they were not that highly touted.

5. What has James really done? If he was such a stud at this point why was he traded for a 7th?

6. This could very well be the case. Many teams need quality depth, but that quality has yet to be determined.

In the end there is no way to definitely say they helped their cause versus last season. At this point there are more questions than answers.

No one can say Dallas has not improved talentwise. Their weak point was secondary and now that is definitely a strength. They gain a leader on defense in Zach Thomas. That is not to say he is the old Thomas but he provides an element that has been missing in the lockerroom and in the huddle. Felix can only be better than Julia Jones.

Philly will be a second.

NYG a close third.

Washington will come on late after a slow start.

1. Zorn maybe unproven, but it was obvious if you had watched the Skins last year that Gibbs (as great as he once was) just didn't have it anymore. His awful game management probably cost the Skins 2 wins last year. 2. Sure new systems take time to learn but Campbell has been through this every year if his college and NFL career. It will take time to get up to full speed, but you have to remember that Wash played with scraps on the Oline last year and that will not be the case again this year.... unless they get a slew of injuries again.

3. This is a totally meaningless point. Wash is adding these draft picks and loosing nothing from what they had last year. If they mature early or provide a spark, its all gravy. Moss, Randle El and Cooley are all still there as well as Portis and Betts. No bad can possibly come of this IMO. Wash still enters the year with at least what they had last year and therefor should not regress. If anything, they have added depth and a possible play maker if things work out. How this is bad is beyond me.

4. Same as above.

5. Again, Wash added James and lost nothing. He is a talented player who has battled injuries and never performed up to par because of it. If that happens again so what. Wash still enters the year with at least what they had last year and therefor should not regress. If anything, they have added depth and a possible play maker if things work out. How this is bad is beyond me.

 

[jurb26]

Here is how I see it:

Dal will regress from 14-2. I think Dal has the best shot at going to the SB in the NFC, but as far as regular season success goes 14-2 is just difficult to repeat no matter how good you are. I'm predicting 12-4.

NYG will regress from 10-6. I think they lost a little too much on D and will fall back to 9-7 and miss a wild card.

Wash will hold steady at 9-7. If the division wasn't so hard I would probably pick this team to improve and in reality I see them as a 9 or 10 win team beating out NYG for a wild card spot.

Philly will improve from 8-8. I have them in the same boat as Wash, 9-10 wins and making a WC.

 

[Meast21]

Dallas: hold steady/decline - too many questionable characters for my liking, almost certainly to return to the playoffs and could repeat for the division title but I don't believe in this team's makeup and the leadership of it to make any sort of title run

Giants: hold steady - quality/great line play, solid RB depth, quality defense...how successful they are depends on Eli's arm - do you believe in the playoff version? or the three years prior?

Skins: decline - awful offseason, think Portis will have another quality season but the passing game, leadership, and new scheme look messy to me. Portis and the defense will keep them competitive.

Eagles: improve - if the key players stay healthy I see the division champs, call me crazy.

What an awful statement...this has probably been the best offseason in the past 15 years for the Skins. 1) Not going after the big name head coach (Mariucci/Fassel) and instead signing a proven player and teacher, Jim Zorn, to help our young quarterback as head coach.

2) Implementing a new offense that may actually utilize our weapons to the utmost degree (Portis, El, Moss, Cooley + Davis, Kelly, Thomas).

3) Keeping ALL our draft picks and not using them on trades (Thank you Cincinnati).

4) Getting two of the best receivers from this draft class, best TE and best punter in the nation.

5) Getting Erasmus James for an conditional 7th round pick.

6) Providing quality depth throughout our whole team.

Care to explain how this equates to an awful offseason?

You just did it yourself.1. Zorn may be good but he is an unproven commodity.

2. New schemes always take time to get established.

3. Draft picks are unknown and even the best usually take a year or two to get established.

4. Wrs were weak this year. They may have been the best available, but overall the league view is they were not that highly touted.

5. What has James really done? If he was such a stud at this point why was he traded for a 7th?

6. This could very well be the case. Many teams need quality depth, but that quality has yet to be determined.

In the end there is no way to definitely say they helped their cause versus last season. At this point there are more questions than answers.

No one can say Dallas has not improved talentwise. Their weak point was secondary and now that is definitely a strength. They gain a leader on defense in Zach Thomas. That is not to say he is the old Thomas but he provides an element that has been missing in the lockerroom and in the huddle. Felix can only be better than Julia Jones.

Philly will be a second.

NYG a close third.

Washington will come on late after a slow start.

1. Zorn maybe unproven, but it was obvious if you had watched the Skins last year that Gibbs (as great as he once was) just didn't have it anymore. His awful game management probably cost the Skins 2 wins last year. 2. Sure new systems take time to learn but Campbell has been through this every year if his college and NFL career. It will take time to get up to full speed, but you have to remember that Wash played with scraps on the Oline last year and that will not be the case again this year.... unless they get a slew of injuries again.

3. This is a totally meaningless point. Wash is adding these draft picks and loosing nothing from what they had last year. If they mature early or provide a spark, its all gravy. Moss, Randle El and Cooley are all still there as well as Portis and Betts. No bad can possibly come of this IMO. Wash still enters the year with at least what they had last year and therefor should not regress. If anything, they have added depth and a possible play maker if things work out. How this is bad is beyond me.

4. Same as above.

5. Again, Wash added James and lost nothing. He is a talented player who has battled injuries and never performed up to par because of it. If that happens again so what. Wash still enters the year with at least what they had last year and therefor should not regress. If anything, they have added depth and a possible play maker if things work out. How this is bad is beyond me.

Nice post. Going on about point #2 the running game and terminology are EXACTLY the same. The only thing that has changed is the passing game, which should allow them to establish the run early in the season until JCamp (who played in a WCO his senior year at Auburn) and the WR's can get on the same page.

 

[Ripleys]

its funny, every year it seems washington is picked in the bottom of the NFC, and almost every year they do better than projected. Not sure what to think of the new Zorn regime, but I think they could very well improve from last year...hard to know what will happen in this crazy division...

 

[jurb26]

its funny, every year it seems washington is picked in the bottom of the NFC, and almost every year they do better than projected. Not sure what to think of the new Zorn regime, but I think they could very well improve from last year...hard to know what will happen in this crazy division...

I was thinking this same thing as I originally read through the thread.

 

[awesomeness]

Giants will not make the playoffs in 2008.

 

[renesauz]

Top to bottom, I think this is easily the best division in football.

The Cowboys scare a lot of people, but they are awfully thin in some crucial areas like DB and WR. If HEALTHY, they could win 12 or so games agin, but the safer bet is for them to be slightly derailed by a couple of injuries, and slide back into the 9-10 (Wildcard) area.

The Giants are a very difficult team to read, but looking at them, I simply can't see them improving from last year. That may sound a bit odd since they won the SB, but they were a mostly average team most of the year, who got hot (and lucky) at the right times. 8 wins and just missing a playoff berth sounds about right.

The Redskins are still trying to find themselves. They have some talent, and won't be pushed around by many clubs, but in this division they'll struggle to find a .500 season. 7 wins sounds right.

Then there's Philly...and people are all over the map on Philly. Much of the talk has revolved around an ageing Westbrook and injury prone McNabb. But if you look closer at the numbers, you might be surprised where they rank in some important stats from last year. And while everyone is focusing on the offense...they are missing the boat on the defense. The defense struggled to create sacks and turnovers last year, but ranked top ten in virtually every other defensive stat. The defensive line should be better. The LB corps should be better. The DB's are arguably the most talented and deepest group in the NFL. This defense could potentially be the best in the NFL this year. More, the Eagles are deep at almost every postion this year, and will not be as easily derailed by injuries as most teams (excepting maybe Westbrook). Special teams was their biggest downfall last year, but has also been a focus on the offseason, and the additions of Demps and Jackson should provide a significant upgrade to their return games. The Eagles will improve their record, and should present a very strong challenge to Dallas with 10-11 wins, more if Westy and McNabb both stay upright.

 

[Limecuda]

Top to bottom, I think this is easily the best division in football.

The Cowboys scare a lot of people, but they are awfully thin in some crucial areas like DB and WR. If HEALTHY, they could win 12 or so games agin, but the safer bet is for them to be slightly derailed by a couple of injuries, and slide back into the 9-10 (Wildcard) area.

Their weakness last year was definitely at DB, but with the addition of Jones and 1st rounder Jenkins that position is deeper and stronger. I do see them winning the division but with more losses than last season. They lucked out on several wins last season.

 

[jurb26]

Top to bottom, I think this is easily the best division in football.

The Cowboys scare a lot of people, but they are awfully thin in some crucial areas like DB and WR. If HEALTHY, they could win 12 or so games agin, but the safer bet is for them to be slightly derailed by a couple of injuries, and slide back into the 9-10 (Wildcard) area.

Their weakness last year was definitely at DB, but with the addition of Jones and 1st rounder Jenkins that position is deeper and stronger. I do see them winning the division but with more losses than last season. They lucked out on several wins last season.

Yeah, CB is in no way a weakness this year. Jenkins was one of the top 3 CBs in the draft, Jones has Pro Bowl potential and Newman is a Pro Bowler. That alone is far more than most teams have. Add in Henry who is a quality CB2 that will now be pushed to a nickel guy at best and I think this is a team strength. Safety OTOH maybe an area of concern but I think the overall strength of the defensive unit (especially LB and CB) will effectively mask that. As a matter of fact I would not be surprised to see Henry move into a Safety role to help offset that weakness as they really don't need him at CB anymore if Jones works out.

 

[MAC_32]

Dallas: hold steady/decline - too many questionable characters for my liking, almost certainly to return to the playoffs and could repeat for the division title but I don't believe in this team's makeup and the leadership of it to make any sort of title run

Giants: hold steady - quality/great line play, solid RB depth, quality defense...how successful they are depends on Eli's arm - do you believe in the playoff version? or the three years prior?

Skins: decline - awful offseason, think Portis will have another quality season but the passing game, leadership, and new scheme look messy to me. Portis and the defense will keep them competitive.

Eagles: improve - if the key players stay healthy I see the division champs, call me crazy.

What an awful statement...this has probably been the best offseason in the past 15 years for the Skins. 1) Not going after the big name head coach (Mariucci/Fassel) and instead signing a proven player and teacher, Jim Zorn, to help our young quarterback as head coach.

2) Implementing a new offense that may actually utilize our weapons to the utmost degree (Portis, El, Moss, Cooley + Davis, Kelly, Thomas).

3) Keeping ALL our draft picks and not using them on trades (Thank you Cincinnati).

4) Getting two of the best receivers from this draft class, best TE and best punter in the nation.

5) Getting Erasmus James for an conditional 7th round pick.

6) Providing quality depth throughout our whole team.

Care to explain how this equates to an awful offseason?

1. Zorn has never done anything more than coach one player, now he's responsible for an entire team - I'm a little more than just skeptical about if he can handle the job or not2. Al Saunders' offense was just fine as it always has been, Gibbs' poor 4th Q coaching cost them more games than the offense did. I do not believe the players in this offense fit well into the WCO and there's going to be a learning curve with any new offense. Reportedly Campbell's been slow to get the new playbook and I don't think the WCO is best for his skillset. Portis should be fine, but this team won't go anywhere without a passing game and I see bad things developing for everyone outside of Portis and Cooley.

3. We now see why the Skins don't value draft picks, Snyder treated the draft like a fantasy draft, and to expect anything from the drafted players this year would be foolish. You can believe they had a good draft, I do not.

4. Most WR's and TE's take time to acclimate to the pro game. I have serious doubts about Thomas in the pros anyway and think Fred Davis was a waste of a pick. I have some hope for Kelly, but the attitude's a problem. And as another pointed out, this year's WR and TE class were perceived weak ones.

5. The only move made I liked, low risk/high reward

6. Where? The Skins did nothing in free agency...probably because they had no wiggle room to do anything.

 

[Bankerguy]

Cowboys- They will be a better team but have a worse record and still end up winning the Division at 12-4. SuperBowl team.

Philly- 11-5 Improved D helps them bounce back to make the playoffs as a Wild Card

Giants- 10-6 and get the 6 seed again.

Washington- 8-8 After a fast start the Redskins will fade in the stretch.

Hands down the toughest Division in Football.

 

[Jayrod]

Cowboys- They will be a better team but have a worse record and still end up winning the Division at 12-4. SuperBowl team.Philly- 11-5 Improved D helps them bounce back to make the playoffs as a Wild CardGiants- 10-6 and get the 6 seed again.Washington- 8-8 After a fast start the Redskins will fade in the stretch.Hands down the toughest Division in Football.

I think the AFC South is tougher. Any of these three teams (but Dallas) could just as easily finish at 8-8. They are one great team (DAL), one streaky team (NY) and two average teams. Philly has a lot of room for improvement to get to 11-5 and Washington could easily take a step back with a new head coach.The AFC South has Indy, Jax, Hou & Ten. All teams who look to have improved with some great coaches, great players and good defenses.I'll take the AFC South over the NFC East any day.

 

[Bankerguy]

The Cowboys scare a lot of people, but they are awfully thin in some crucial areas like DB and WR. If HEALTHY, they could win 12 or so games agin, but the safer bet is for them to be slightly derailed by a couple of injuries, and slide back into the 9-10 (Wildcard) area.

HUH??? I agree they don't have a ton of known quanitites at WR. I totally disagree on the DB front.The have arguablly the deepest Secondary in the League. They have 2 back up CB's that could likely start for some teams.At CB:Newman (Pro Bowler), He will play the slot WR in 3 and 4 WR sets bring in PacMan/Jenkins. KILLER.Henry Physical corner who will play better in man coverage. I expect to see a little more man coverage with the Cowboys this year depite Wade's aversion to it.PacMan (IF re-instated nobody can argue his talent, character issues aside)Jenkins (First Round draft pick who has looked fluid in OTA's.) I believe it was Gil Brandt who recently attended camp and was raving over the kid. Hamlin (ProBowler-Solid Player)R Will- A weakness for sure, however he will be in a lot less during passing situations/nickel/dime.P Watkins. Tall lanky Ball hawk who has played at a solid level.C. Brown- Young guy with great measurables and range.

 

[Bankerguy]

Cowboys- They will be a better team but have a worse record and still end up winning the Division at 12-4. SuperBowl team.Philly- 11-5 Improved D helps them bounce back to make the playoffs as a Wild CardGiants- 10-6 and get the 6 seed again.Washington- 8-8 After a fast start the Redskins will fade in the stretch.Hands down the toughest Division in Football.

I think the AFC South is tougher. Any of these three teams (but Dallas) could just as easily finish at 8-8. They are one great team (DAL), one streaky team (NY) and two average teams. Philly has a lot of room for improvement to get to 11-5 and Washington could easily take a step back with a new head coach.The AFC South has Indy, Jax, Hou & Ten. All teams who look to have improved with some great coaches, great players and good defenses.I'll take the AFC South over the NFC East any day.

Well, we agree to disagree. NFC East is also has the most physical teams (Maybe not Philly as much). All have power running games with BIG players and lines who beat the stuffing out of you for 60 mins. Aside from Jax, I don't see that from the AFC South. However, I cant deny that Indy is a very talented team.

 

[Sidewinder16]

Reportedly Campbell's been slow to get the new playbook...

I'd be interested in reading these reports.

 

[MAC_32]

Reportedly Campbell's been slow to get the new playbook...

I'd be interested in reading these reports.

Search Washington news outlets, read it sometime last month.

 

[Sidewinder16]

Reportedly Campbell's been slow to get the new playbook...

I'd be interested in reading these reports.

Search Washington news outlets, read it sometime last month.

I already read them on a fairly regular basis, and I don't recall that bit of info. I've read plenty that says he's had his nose in playbooks and been on the practice fields with Zorn since about day 1 and that he's been doing great with what he's been given/taught, so far.If you can remember the news outlet/author/something to search other than "Campbell" "slow" "playbook"/etc., that'd help in tracking this down.

 

[buster c]

Dallas: hold steady/decline - too many questionable characters for my liking, almost certainly to return to the playoffs and could repeat for the division title but I don't believe in this team's makeup and the leadership of it to make any sort of title run

Giants: hold steady - quality/great line play, solid RB depth, quality defense...how successful they are depends on Eli's arm - do you believe in the playoff version? or the three years prior?

Skins: decline - awful offseason, think Portis will have another quality season but the passing game, leadership, and new scheme look messy to me. Portis and the defense will keep them competitive.

Eagles: improve - if the key players stay healthy I see the division champs, call me crazy.

What an awful statement...this has probably been the best offseason in the past 15 years for the Skins. 1) Not going after the big name head coach (Mariucci/Fassel) and instead signing a proven player and teacher, Jim Zorn, to help our young quarterback as head coach.

2) Implementing a new offense that may actually utilize our weapons to the utmost degree (Portis, El, Moss, Cooley + Davis, Kelly, Thomas).

3) Keeping ALL our draft picks and not using them on trades (Thank you Cincinnati).

4) Getting two of the best receivers from this draft class, best TE and best punter in the nation.

5) Getting Erasmus James for an conditional 7th round pick.

6) Providing quality depth throughout our whole team.

Care to explain how this equates to an awful offseason?

You just did it yourself.1. Zorn may be good but he is an unproven commodity.

2. New schemes always take time to get established.

3. Draft picks are unknown and even the best usually take a year or two to get established.

4. Wrs were weak this year. They may have been the best available, but overall the league view is they were not that highly touted.

5. What has James really done? If he was such a stud at this point why was he traded for a 7th?

6. This could very well be the case. Many teams need quality depth, but that quality has yet to be determined.

In the end there is no way to definitely say they helped their cause versus last season. At this point there are more questions than answers.

No one can say Dallas has not improved talentwise. Their weak point was secondary and now that is definitely a strength. They gain a leader on defense in Zach Thomas. That is not to say he is the old Thomas but he provides an element that has been missing in the lockerroom and in the huddle. Felix can only be better than Julia Jones.

Philly will be a second.

NYG a close third.

Washington will come on late after a slow start.

1. Zorn maybe unproven, but it was obvious if you had watched the Skins last year that Gibbs (as great as he once was) just didn't have it anymore. His awful game management probably cost the Skins 2 wins last year. 2. Sure new systems take time to learn but Campbell has been through this every year if his college and NFL career. It will take time to get up to full speed, but you have to remember that Wash played with scraps on the Oline last year and that will not be the case again this year.... unless they get a slew of injuries again.

3. This is a totally meaningless point. Wash is adding these draft picks and loosing nothing from what they had last year. If they mature early or provide a spark, its all gravy. Moss, Randle El and Cooley are all still there as well as Portis and Betts. No bad can possibly come of this IMO. Wash still enters the year with at least what they had last year and therefor should not regress. If anything, they have added depth and a possible play maker if things work out. How this is bad is beyond me.

4. Same as above.

5. Again, Wash added James and lost nothing. He is a talented player who has battled injuries and never performed up to par because of it. If that happens again so what. Wash still enters the year with at least what they had last year and therefor should not regress. If anything, they have added depth and a possible play maker if things work out. How this is bad is beyond me.

I suppose if enough people say this, it becomes fact. It's simply not true. The Buffalo game? Sorry, but Lindell nailed a 51 yarder right as the 2nd timeout was being called. That he was "forced" to kick it again from 36 - and made it - doesn't erase the fact that he made the 51 yarder.

 

[MAC_32]

Reportedly Campbell's been slow to get the new playbook...

I'd be interested in reading these reports.

Search Washington news outlets, read it sometime last month.

I already read them on a fairly regular basis, and I don't recall that bit of info. I've read plenty that says he's had his nose in playbooks and been on the practice fields with Zorn since about day 1 and that he's been doing great with what he's been given/taught, so far.If you can remember the news outlet/author/something to search other than "Campbell" "slow" "playbook"/etc., that'd help in tracking this down.

I guess you missed it then, I browse several news outlets/blogs daily at work so I can't give you a name...just posting what I read. You don't have to believe it, but I would keep an eye on it come TC.

 

[MAC_32]

Dallas: hold steady/decline - too many questionable characters for my liking, almost certainly to return to the playoffs and could repeat for the division title but I don't believe in this team's makeup and the leadership of it to make any sort of title run

Giants: hold steady - quality/great line play, solid RB depth, quality defense...how successful they are depends on Eli's arm - do you believe in the playoff version? or the three years prior?

Skins: decline - awful offseason, think Portis will have another quality season but the passing game, leadership, and new scheme look messy to me. Portis and the defense will keep them competitive.

Eagles: improve - if the key players stay healthy I see the division champs, call me crazy.

What an awful statement...this has probably been the best offseason in the past 15 years for the Skins. 1) Not going after the big name head coach (Mariucci/Fassel) and instead signing a proven player and teacher, Jim Zorn, to help our young quarterback as head coach.

2) Implementing a new offense that may actually utilize our weapons to the utmost degree (Portis, El, Moss, Cooley + Davis, Kelly, Thomas).

3) Keeping ALL our draft picks and not using them on trades (Thank you Cincinnati).

4) Getting two of the best receivers from this draft class, best TE and best punter in the nation.

5) Getting Erasmus James for an conditional 7th round pick.

6) Providing quality depth throughout our whole team.

Care to explain how this equates to an awful offseason?

You just did it yourself.1. Zorn may be good but he is an unproven commodity.

2. New schemes always take time to get established.

3. Draft picks are unknown and even the best usually take a year or two to get established.

4. Wrs were weak this year. They may have been the best available, but overall the league view is they were not that highly touted.

5. What has James really done? If he was such a stud at this point why was he traded for a 7th?

6. This could very well be the case. Many teams need quality depth, but that quality has yet to be determined.

In the end there is no way to definitely say they helped their cause versus last season. At this point there are more questions than answers.

No one can say Dallas has not improved talentwise. Their weak point was secondary and now that is definitely a strength. They gain a leader on defense in Zach Thomas. That is not to say he is the old Thomas but he provides an element that has been missing in the lockerroom and in the huddle. Felix can only be better than Julia Jones.

Philly will be a second.

NYG a close third.

Washington will come on late after a slow start.

1. Zorn maybe unproven, but it was obvious if you had watched the Skins last year that Gibbs (as great as he once was) just didn't have it anymore. His awful game management probably cost the Skins 2 wins last year. 2. Sure new systems take time to learn but Campbell has been through this every year if his college and NFL career. It will take time to get up to full speed, but you have to remember that Wash played with scraps on the Oline last year and that will not be the case again this year.... unless they get a slew of injuries again.

3. This is a totally meaningless point. Wash is adding these draft picks and loosing nothing from what they had last year. If they mature early or provide a spark, its all gravy. Moss, Randle El and Cooley are all still there as well as Portis and Betts. No bad can possibly come of this IMO. Wash still enters the year with at least what they had last year and therefor should not regress. If anything, they have added depth and a possible play maker if things work out. How this is bad is beyond me.

4. Same as above.

5. Again, Wash added James and lost nothing. He is a talented player who has battled injuries and never performed up to par because of it. If that happens again so what. Wash still enters the year with at least what they had last year and therefor should not regress. If anything, they have added depth and a possible play maker if things work out. How this is bad is beyond me.

I suppose if enough people say this, it becomes fact. It's simply not true. The Buffalo game? Sorry, but Lindell nailed a 51 yarder right as the 2nd timeout was being called. That he was "forced" to kick it again from 36 - and made it - doesn't erase the fact that he made the 51 yarder.

I blame the end of the loss to the Giants week 3 on Gibbs.Regardless of the outcome of the FG kick, his boneheaded play cost the team 15 yards and made a kick that's made with about 60% frequency to one that's made with close to 90% frequency.

The 4th quarter conservative play calling almost cost them other games and helped keep them from mounting comebacks in others. It's difficult to comeback in the 4th when you're repeatedly spending 45 seconds to run a 3 yard carry off left tackle and to start running on every down with less than a one possession lead kind of makes defense easy on the opponent.

 

[Meast21]

Dallas: hold steady/decline - too many questionable characters for my liking, almost certainly to return to the playoffs and could repeat for the division title but I don't believe in this team's makeup and the leadership of it to make any sort of title run

Giants: hold steady - quality/great line play, solid RB depth, quality defense...how successful they are depends on Eli's arm - do you believe in the playoff version? or the three years prior?

Skins: decline - awful offseason, think Portis will have another quality season but the passing game, leadership, and new scheme look messy to me. Portis and the defense will keep them competitive.

Eagles: improve - if the key players stay healthy I see the division champs, call me crazy.

What an awful statement...this has probably been the best offseason in the past 15 years for the Skins. 1) Not going after the big name head coach (Mariucci/Fassel) and instead signing a proven player and teacher, Jim Zorn, to help our young quarterback as head coach.

2) Implementing a new offense that may actually utilize our weapons to the utmost degree (Portis, El, Moss, Cooley + Davis, Kelly, Thomas).

3) Keeping ALL our draft picks and not using them on trades (Thank you Cincinnati).

4) Getting two of the best receivers from this draft class, best TE and best punter in the nation.

5) Getting Erasmus James for an conditional 7th round pick.

6) Providing quality depth throughout our whole team.

Care to explain how this equates to an awful offseason?

You just did it yourself.1. Zorn may be good but he is an unproven commodity.

2. New schemes always take time to get established.

3. Draft picks are unknown and even the best usually take a year or two to get established.

4. Wrs were weak this year. They may have been the best available, but overall the league view is they were not that highly touted.

5. What has James really done? If he was such a stud at this point why was he traded for a 7th?

6. This could very well be the case. Many teams need quality depth, but that quality has yet to be determined.

In the end there is no way to definitely say they helped their cause versus last season. At this point there are more questions than answers.

No one can say Dallas has not improved talentwise. Their weak point was secondary and now that is definitely a strength. They gain a leader on defense in Zach Thomas. That is not to say he is the old Thomas but he provides an element that has been missing in the lockerroom and in the huddle. Felix can only be better than Julia Jones.

Philly will be a second.

NYG a close third.

Washington will come on late after a slow start.

1. Zorn maybe unproven, but it was obvious if you had watched the Skins last year that Gibbs (as great as he once was) just didn't have it anymore. His awful game management probably cost the Skins 2 wins last year. 2. Sure new systems take time to learn but Campbell has been through this every year if his college and NFL career. It will take time to get up to full speed, but you have to remember that Wash played with scraps on the Oline last year and that will not be the case again this year.... unless they get a slew of injuries again.

3. This is a totally meaningless point. Wash is adding these draft picks and loosing nothing from what they had last year. If they mature early or provide a spark, its all gravy. Moss, Randle El and Cooley are all still there as well as Portis and Betts. No bad can possibly come of this IMO. Wash still enters the year with at least what they had last year and therefor should not regress. If anything, they have added depth and a possible play maker if things work out. How this is bad is beyond me.

4. Same as above.

5. Again, Wash added James and lost nothing. He is a talented player who has battled injuries and never performed up to par because of it. If that happens again so what. Wash still enters the year with at least what they had last year and therefor should not regress. If anything, they have added depth and a possible play maker if things work out. How this is bad is beyond me.

I suppose if enough people say this, it becomes fact. It's simply not true. The Buffalo game? Sorry, but Lindell nailed a 51 yarder right as the 2nd timeout was being called. That he was "forced" to kick it again from 36 - and made it - doesn't erase the fact that he made the 51 yarder.

Your foolish if you don't think he cost us some games. "Gibbs's second stint as Redskins coach, however, has been a different story. Since ending his retirement in 2004, no NFL coach has lost more times despite leading at the start of the second half."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...7100202572.html

I'm a huge Gibbs fan but it was quite clear his conservative game planning in the 3rd and 4th quarter cost us a handful of games through his 2nd tenure.

 

[jurb26]

Dallas: hold steady/decline - too many questionable characters for my liking, almost certainly to return to the playoffs and could repeat for the division title but I don't believe in this team's makeup and the leadership of it to make any sort of title run

Giants: hold steady - quality/great line play, solid RB depth, quality defense...how successful they are depends on Eli's arm - do you believe in the playoff version? or the three years prior?

Skins: decline - awful offseason, think Portis will have another quality season but the passing game, leadership, and new scheme look messy to me. Portis and the defense will keep them competitive.

Eagles: improve - if the key players stay healthy I see the division champs, call me crazy.

What an awful statement...this has probably been the best offseason in the past 15 years for the Skins. 1) Not going after the big name head coach (Mariucci/Fassel) and instead signing a proven player and teacher, Jim Zorn, to help our young quarterback as head coach.

2) Implementing a new offense that may actually utilize our weapons to the utmost degree (Portis, El, Moss, Cooley + Davis, Kelly, Thomas).

3) Keeping ALL our draft picks and not using them on trades (Thank you Cincinnati).

4) Getting two of the best receivers from this draft class, best TE and best punter in the nation.

5) Getting Erasmus James for an conditional 7th round pick.

6) Providing quality depth throughout our whole team.

Care to explain how this equates to an awful offseason?

You just did it yourself.1. Zorn may be good but he is an unproven commodity.

2. New schemes always take time to get established.

3. Draft picks are unknown and even the best usually take a year or two to get established.

4. Wrs were weak this year. They may have been the best available, but overall the league view is they were not that highly touted.

5. What has James really done? If he was such a stud at this point why was he traded for a 7th?

6. This could very well be the case. Many teams need quality depth, but that quality has yet to be determined.

In the end there is no way to definitely say they helped their cause versus last season. At this point there are more questions than answers.

No one can say Dallas has not improved talentwise. Their weak point was secondary and now that is definitely a strength. They gain a leader on defense in Zach Thomas. That is not to say he is the old Thomas but he provides an element that has been missing in the lockerroom and in the huddle. Felix can only be better than Julia Jones.

Philly will be a second.

NYG a close third.

Washington will come on late after a slow start.

1. Zorn maybe unproven, but it was obvious if you had watched the Skins last year that Gibbs (as great as he once was) just didn't have it anymore. His awful game management probably cost the Skins 2 wins last year. 2. Sure new systems take time to learn but Campbell has been through this every year if his college and NFL career. It will take time to get up to full speed, but you have to remember that Wash played with scraps on the Oline last year and that will not be the case again this year.... unless they get a slew of injuries again.

3. This is a totally meaningless point. Wash is adding these draft picks and loosing nothing from what they had last year. If they mature early or provide a spark, its all gravy. Moss, Randle El and Cooley are all still there as well as Portis and Betts. No bad can possibly come of this IMO. Wash still enters the year with at least what they had last year and therefor should not regress. If anything, they have added depth and a possible play maker if things work out. How this is bad is beyond me.

4. Same as above.

5. Again, Wash added James and lost nothing. He is a talented player who has battled injuries and never performed up to par because of it. If that happens again so what. Wash still enters the year with at least what they had last year and therefor should not regress. If anything, they have added depth and a possible play maker if things work out. How this is bad is beyond me.

I suppose if enough people say this, it becomes fact. It's simply not true. The Buffalo game? Sorry, but Lindell nailed a 51 yarder right as the 2nd timeout was being called. That he was "forced" to kick it again from 36 - and made it - doesn't erase the fact that he made the 51 yarder.

Your foolish if you don't think he cost us some games. "Gibbs's second stint as Redskins coach, however, has been a different story. Since ending his retirement in 2004, no NFL coach has lost more times despite leading at the start of the second half."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...7100202572.html

I'm a huge Gibbs fan but it was quite clear his conservative game planning in the 3rd and 4th quarter cost us a handful of games through his 2nd tenure.

Couldn't agree more.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I really can't make my predictions on the division until we get closer to the start. So much of it for Dallas depends on how much their secondary really is improved and what kind of impact Zach Thomas has on the defense.

 

[Meast21]

I really can't make my predictions on the division until we get closer to the start. So much of it for Dallas depends on how much their secondary really is improved and what kind of impact Zach Thomas has on the defense.

I hope not for Dallas's sake...

 

[buster c]

Dallas: hold steady/decline - too many questionable characters for my liking, almost certainly to return to the playoffs and could repeat for the division title but I don't believe in this team's makeup and the leadership of it to make any sort of title run

Giants: hold steady - quality/great line play, solid RB depth, quality defense...how successful they are depends on Eli's arm - do you believe in the playoff version? or the three years prior?

Skins: decline - awful offseason, think Portis will have another quality season but the passing game, leadership, and new scheme look messy to me. Portis and the defense will keep them competitive.

Eagles: improve - if the key players stay healthy I see the division champs, call me crazy.

What an awful statement...this has probably been the best offseason in the past 15 years for the Skins. 1) Not going after the big name head coach (Mariucci/Fassel) and instead signing a proven player and teacher, Jim Zorn, to help our young quarterback as head coach.

2) Implementing a new offense that may actually utilize our weapons to the utmost degree (Portis, El, Moss, Cooley + Davis, Kelly, Thomas).

3) Keeping ALL our draft picks and not using them on trades (Thank you Cincinnati).

4) Getting two of the best receivers from this draft class, best TE and best punter in the nation.

5) Getting Erasmus James for an conditional 7th round pick.

6) Providing quality depth throughout our whole team.

Care to explain how this equates to an awful offseason?

You just did it yourself.1. Zorn may be good but he is an unproven commodity.

2. New schemes always take time to get established.

3. Draft picks are unknown and even the best usually take a year or two to get established.

4. Wrs were weak this year. They may have been the best available, but overall the league view is they were not that highly touted.

5. What has James really done? If he was such a stud at this point why was he traded for a 7th?

6. This could very well be the case. Many teams need quality depth, but that quality has yet to be determined.

In the end there is no way to definitely say they helped their cause versus last season. At this point there are more questions than answers.

No one can say Dallas has not improved talentwise. Their weak point was secondary and now that is definitely a strength. They gain a leader on defense in Zach Thomas. That is not to say he is the old Thomas but he provides an element that has been missing in the lockerroom and in the huddle. Felix can only be better than Julia Jones.

Philly will be a second.

NYG a close third.

Washington will come on late after a slow start.

1. Zorn maybe unproven, but it was obvious if you had watched the Skins last year that Gibbs (as great as he once was) just didn't have it anymore. His awful game management probably cost the Skins 2 wins last year. 2. Sure new systems take time to learn but Campbell has been through this every year if his college and NFL career. It will take time to get up to full speed, but you have to remember that Wash played with scraps on the Oline last year and that will not be the case again this year.... unless they get a slew of injuries again.

3. This is a totally meaningless point. Wash is adding these draft picks and loosing nothing from what they had last year. If they mature early or provide a spark, its all gravy. Moss, Randle El and Cooley are all still there as well as Portis and Betts. No bad can possibly come of this IMO. Wash still enters the year with at least what they had last year and therefor should not regress. If anything, they have added depth and a possible play maker if things work out. How this is bad is beyond me.

4. Same as above.

5. Again, Wash added James and lost nothing. He is a talented player who has battled injuries and never performed up to par because of it. If that happens again so what. Wash still enters the year with at least what they had last year and therefor should not regress. If anything, they have added depth and a possible play maker if things work out. How this is bad is beyond me.

I suppose if enough people say this, it becomes fact. It's simply not true. The Buffalo game? Sorry, but Lindell nailed a 51 yarder right as the 2nd timeout was being called. That he was "forced" to kick it again from 36 - and made it - doesn't erase the fact that he made the 51 yarder.

Your foolish if you don't think he cost us some games. "Gibbs's second stint as Redskins coach, however, has been a different story. Since ending his retirement in 2004, no NFL coach has lost more times despite leading at the start of the second half."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...7100202572.html

I'm a huge Gibbs fan but it was quite clear his conservative game planning in the 3rd and 4th quarter cost us a handful of games through his 2nd tenure.

oh, I guess if the Post wrote it, you're on board who's the fool?

and check the December record. maybe you forgot him leading the team up to NY and MN on consecutive Sunday nights for smashing road wins. perhaps it's a short attention span - I has been 6 months afterall...

 

[Meast21]

Dallas: hold steady/decline - too many questionable characters for my liking, almost certainly to return to the playoffs and could repeat for the division title but I don't believe in this team's makeup and the leadership of it to make any sort of title run

Giants: hold steady - quality/great line play, solid RB depth, quality defense...how successful they are depends on Eli's arm - do you believe in the playoff version? or the three years prior?

Skins: decline - awful offseason, think Portis will have another quality season but the passing game, leadership, and new scheme look messy to me. Portis and the defense will keep them competitive.

Eagles: improve - if the key players stay healthy I see the division champs, call me crazy.

What an awful statement...this has probably been the best offseason in the past 15 years for the Skins. 1) Not going after the big name head coach (Mariucci/Fassel) and instead signing a proven player and teacher, Jim Zorn, to help our young quarterback as head coach.

2) Implementing a new offense that may actually utilize our weapons to the utmost degree (Portis, El, Moss, Cooley + Davis, Kelly, Thomas).

3) Keeping ALL our draft picks and not using them on trades (Thank you Cincinnati).

4) Getting two of the best receivers from this draft class, best TE and best punter in the nation.

5) Getting Erasmus James for an conditional 7th round pick.

6) Providing quality depth throughout our whole team.

Care to explain how this equates to an awful offseason?

You just did it yourself.1. Zorn may be good but he is an unproven commodity.

2. New schemes always take time to get established.

3. Draft picks are unknown and even the best usually take a year or two to get established.

4. Wrs were weak this year. They may have been the best available, but overall the league view is they were not that highly touted.

5. What has James really done? If he was such a stud at this point why was he traded for a 7th?

6. This could very well be the case. Many teams need quality depth, but that quality has yet to be determined.

In the end there is no way to definitely say they helped their cause versus last season. At this point there are more questions than answers.

No one can say Dallas has not improved talentwise. Their weak point was secondary and now that is definitely a strength. They gain a leader on defense in Zach Thomas. That is not to say he is the old Thomas but he provides an element that has been missing in the lockerroom and in the huddle. Felix can only be better than Julia Jones.

Philly will be a second.

NYG a close third.

Washington will come on late after a slow start.

1. Zorn maybe unproven, but it was obvious if you had watched the Skins last year that Gibbs (as great as he once was) just didn't have it anymore. His awful game management probably cost the Skins 2 wins last year. 2. Sure new systems take time to learn but Campbell has been through this every year if his college and NFL career. It will take time to get up to full speed, but you have to remember that Wash played with scraps on the Oline last year and that will not be the case again this year.... unless they get a slew of injuries again.

3. This is a totally meaningless point. Wash is adding these draft picks and loosing nothing from what they had last year. If they mature early or provide a spark, its all gravy. Moss, Randle El and Cooley are all still there as well as Portis and Betts. No bad can possibly come of this IMO. Wash still enters the year with at least what they had last year and therefor should not regress. If anything, they have added depth and a possible play maker if things work out. How this is bad is beyond me.

4. Same as above.

5. Again, Wash added James and lost nothing. He is a talented player who has battled injuries and never performed up to par because of it. If that happens again so what. Wash still enters the year with at least what they had last year and therefor should not regress. If anything, they have added depth and a possible play maker if things work out. How this is bad is beyond me.

I suppose if enough people say this, it becomes fact. It's simply not true. The Buffalo game? Sorry, but Lindell nailed a 51 yarder right as the 2nd timeout was being called. That he was "forced" to kick it again from 36 - and made it - doesn't erase the fact that he made the 51 yarder.

Your foolish if you don't think he cost us some games. "Gibbs's second stint as Redskins coach, however, has been a different story. Since ending his retirement in 2004, no NFL coach has lost more times despite leading at the start of the second half."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...7100202572.html

I'm a huge Gibbs fan but it was quite clear his conservative game planning in the 3rd and 4th quarter cost us a handful of games through his 2nd tenure.

oh, I guess if the Post wrote it, you're on board who's the fool?

and check the December record. maybe you forgot him leading the team up to NY and MN on consecutive Sunday nights for smashing road wins. perhaps it's a short attention span - I has been 6 months afterall...

I'm on board for statistics yes, only a fool wouldn't face the facts. I think Joe Gibbs was a phenominal leader and motivator and the players would do anything to win for him as was shown in 05 and 07, but in terms of his game plans it was almost painful to watch our offense. Remember Tampa Bay...

 

[Andy Herron]

As of today, things don't appear to be all that rosy in the NFC East.

From Albert Breer, of The Dallas Morning News-

And you thought the Cowboys had drama ...

What figures to be a competitive race for the NFC East title hasn't gotten off to a great start elsewhere.

In New York, last week's minicamp was a mess. Plaxico Burress and Jeremy Shockey garnered headlines, and not for the right reasons. Former DMNer Gary Myers says the club needs to get rid of Shockey. And now, before the problem festers further and becomes a training camp distraction.

Meanwhile, Donovan McNabb and others in Philly are trying to downplay a problem the quarterback has in his throwing shoulder. McNabb also threw a nice compliment T.O.'s way.

"We were a team that was right there, and we were right there consistently," he said. "Then when we brought in a guy like T.O., the attitudes kind of shifted. The defense had that extra confidence because we had somebody like T.O. On offense, we had that extra weapon and we knew we had something."

The Redskins have something too -- Injuries. Jim Zorn is just hoping that the PUP list won't have a dozen names on it when training camp opens next month.

The news we've got on your home team today? Well, Todd's got a nice story on the Cowboy rookies going to Canton, Ohio to visit the Hall of Fame. So things aren't so bad around here.