== OFFICIAL OAKLAND RAIDERS 2018 thread == (1 Viewer)

[kaso]

The Bryant move hurts because hindsight was learned so quickly.   We'd all be signing the praises of the team if it played out differently a year from now.  I was ok with the trade at the time, and am still now, simply for the fact that the pick (No. 79 overall) sent to Pittsburgh was acquired in the trade with Arizona when the Raiders moved from 10th overall to 15th overall.  A loose argument could be made that it was a 'freebie' pick.  Or one that could be used a bit more recklessly.   

* Traded the No. 10 pick to Cardinals for the No. 15 pick, a third-round pick (No. 79) and a fifth-round pick (No. 152).

* Traded a third-round pick (No. 79) to Pittsburgh for M. Bryant.

* Traded the No. 75 pick, a fifth-round pick (No. 152, obtained from Cardinals) and a sixth-round pick (No. 212) to Ravens for the No. 65 pick, obtained from Bills (drafted OT Brandon Parker).

That trade in the first allowed Oakland a bit of freedom to take the risk on Bryant, as well as have additional picks to move from 75 overall to 65 overall to draft OT Parker.

 

[cjv123]

If he sat out the season his contract his contract would not have tolled and they wouldn't have had to franchise him.  Pretty sure the Bears didn't have to worry about attendance.

Yes, you're right. Apology for loose wording- by "sat out" I should have said showed up only for Week 1 and did not play where an injury was risked.

 

[Chaka]

Shock does not equal demoralized. 

And denial ain't just a river in Egypt.

 

[cjv123]

The Bryant move hurts because hindsight was learned so quickly.   We'd all be signing the praises of the team if it played out differently a year from now.  I was ok with the trade at the time, and am still now, simply for the fact that the pick (No. 79 overall) sent to Pittsburgh was acquired in the trade with Arizona when the Raiders moved from 10th overall to 15th overall.  A loose argument could be made that it was a 'freebie' pick.  Or one that could be used a bit more recklessly.   

* Traded the No. 10 pick to Cardinals for the No. 15 pick, a third-round pick (No. 79) and a fifth-round pick (No. 152).

* Traded a third-round pick (No. 79) to Pittsburgh for M. Bryant.

* Traded the No. 75 pick, a fifth-round pick (No. 152, obtained from Cardinals) and a sixth-round pick (No. 212) to Ravens for the No. 65 pick, obtained from Bills (drafted OT Brandon Parker).

That trade in the first allowed Oakland a bit of freedom to take the risk on Bryant, as well as have additional picks to move from 75 overall to 65 overall to draft OT Parker.

I don't think it was "reckless." Bryant is, physically, a borderline #1 WR and they rolled the dice, and lost. Happens.

Belicheck traded Garoppolo for a #2, roughly one-third what the Raiders got for Kahlil Mack, and nobody trashed B in the media.

 

[32 Counter Pass]

Mack’s percentage of the cap with his new deal is consistent with what previous deals have looked like.

Player Pos Team Total Avg % of Cap at Signing
J.J. Watt DE ,HOU $100,005,425 $16,667,571 12.50%
KhalilMack OLB OAK $141,000,000 $23,500,000 12.40%
Von Miller OLB DEN $114,100,000 $19,016,667 12.20%
Aaron Donald OT LA $135,000,000 $22,500,000 11.80%
Justin Houston OLB ·KC $101,000,000 $16,833,333 11.70%
Olivier Vernon OLB NYG $85,000,000 $17,000,000 10.90%
Clay Matthews OLB GB $66,000,000 $13,200,000 10.70%
Robert Quinn DE MIA $57,014,895 $14,253,724 10.70%
Chandler Jones OLB AR I $82,500,000 $16,500,000 9.90%
EzekielAnsah DE DET $17,143,000 $17,143,000 9.70%
DeMarcus Lawrence DE DAL $17,143,000 $17,143,000 9.70%
Melvin Ingram OLB LAC $64,000,000 $16,000,000 9.60%
Jason Pierre-Paul DE TB $62,000,000 $15,500,000 9.30%
Calais Campbell DE JAC $60,000,000 $15,000,000 9.00%
Everson Griffen DE MIN $58,000,000 $14,500,000 8.70%
Carlos Dunlap DE CIN $45,000,000 $15,000,000 8.50%
Danielle Hunter DE MIN $72,000,000 $14,400,000 8.10%
Ryan Kerrigan OLB WAS $57,500,000 $11,500,000 8.00%
Cameron Jordan DE NO $55,000,000 $11,000,000 7.70%
Jamie Collins OLB CLE $50,000,000 $12,500,000 7.50%
Stephon Tuitt OT PIT $60,001,439 $12,000,288 7.20%
A kiem Hicks OT CHI $48,000,000 $12,000,000 7.20%
Nick Perry OLB GB $59,000,000 $11,800,000 7.10%
Lavonte David OLB TB $50,250,000 $10,050,000 7.00%
Cameron Heyward DE PIT $59,200,000 $9,866,667 6.90%


https://twitter.com/RaidersBeat/status/1036283604874289152

 

[Chadstroma]

Mourning period over... back to business.

So, cap room freed up and lost Bryant.... do we look to bring in another Bryant?

 

[BustedKnuckles]

when will the Raiders(Gruden) address these past few days of questionable moves ?

 

[cjv123]

when will the Raiders(Gruden) address these past few days of questionable moves ?

McKenzie has spoken quite a bit on this.

 

[kaso]

Mack’s percentage of the cap with his new deal is consistent with what previous deals have looked like.

Player Pos Team Total Avg % of Cap at Signing
J.J. Watt DE ,HOU $100,005,425 $16,667,571 12.50%
KhalilMack OLB OAK $141,000,000 $23,500,000 12.40%
Von Miller OLB DEN $114,100,000 $19,016,667 12.20%
Aaron Donald OT LA $135,000,000 $22,500,000 11.80%
Justin Houston OLB ·KC $101,000,000 $16,833,333 11.70%
Olivier Vernon OLB NYG $85,000,000 $17,000,000 10.90%
Clay Matthews OLB GB $66,000,000 $13,200,000 10.70%
Robert Quinn DE MIA $57,014,895 $14,253,724 10.70%
Chandler Jones OLB AR I $82,500,000 $16,500,000 9.90%
EzekielAnsah DE DET $17,143,000 $17,143,000 9.70%
DeMarcus Lawrence DE DAL $17,143,000 $17,143,000 9.70%
Melvin Ingram OLB LAC $64,000,000 $16,000,000 9.60%
Jason Pierre-Paul DE TB $62,000,000 $15,500,000 9.30%
Calais Campbell DE JAC $60,000,000 $15,000,000 9.00%
Everson Griffen DE MIN $58,000,000 $14,500,000 8.70%
Carlos Dunlap DE CIN $45,000,000 $15,000,000 8.50%
Danielle Hunter DE MIN $72,000,000 $14,400,000 8.10%
Ryan Kerrigan OLB WAS $57,500,000 $11,500,000 8.00%
Cameron Jordan DE NO $55,000,000 $11,000,000 7.70%
Jamie Collins OLB CLE $50,000,000 $12,500,000 7.50%
Stephon Tuitt OT PIT $60,001,439 $12,000,288 7.20%
A kiem Hicks OT CHI $48,000,000 $12,000,000 7.20%
Nick Perry OLB GB $59,000,000 $11,800,000 7.10%
Lavonte David OLB TB $50,250,000 $10,050,000 7.00%
Cameron Heyward DE PIT $59,200,000 $9,866,667 6.90%


https://twitter.com/RaidersBeat/status/1036283604874289152

This author only goes as far as proving that the deal Mack received from the Bears was in line with previous defensive contracts by comparing cap hit %.  This doesn't tell the whole story on what the Raiders would have faced had they handed that contract to Mack.  

I don't care to go back and dig through the data, or even find it is available, but I am willing to bet at the time those contracts were handed to Watt, Miller, and Donald (11.80% & higher), the teams weren't also carrying a QB with a cap hit of greater than 13%.  (Derek Carr's % of cap for 2018 is 13.53%).   Hell even this year, none of those teams likely have a QB salary breaking the 13% mark (maybe Denver and Keenum).

 

[kaso]

This author only goes as far as proving that the deal Mack received from the Bears was in line with previous defensive contracts by comparing cap hit %.  This doesn't tell the whole story on what the Raiders would have faced had they handed that contract to Mack.  

I don't care to go back and dig through the data, or even find it is available, but I am willing to bet at the time those contracts were handed to Watt, Miller, and Donald (11.80% & higher), the teams weren't also carrying a QB with a cap hit of greater than 13%.  (Derek Carr's % of cap for 2018 is 13.53%).   Hell even this year, none of those teams likely have a QB salary breaking the 13% mark (maybe Denver and Keenum).

Ok, I went back.  Here is what I found.. (And yes, I quoted my own reply)

According to Spotrac.com; (Interestingly I couldn't find the same %'s quoted).. 

• In 2018, Trubisky has a cap share of 3.57%.  The next highest after Mack is Allen Robinson at 5.99%.
  
• In 2017, Miller had a 11.86% share of the cap.  The Broncos QB at the time was Paxton Lynch who had a cap share of 1.28%.  The next highest cap hit on the Broncos was D. Thomas with a 7.17% share.
  
• In 2015, Watt landed a new deal that took up 9.57% of the cap that year. The Texans QB at that time was Brian Hoyer who had a cap hit of 3.57%.  The next highest cap hit on the Texans was J. Joseph with a 8.05% share.
  

Unfortunately the site isn't updated with Donald's deal yet. But I can tell you that Jared Goff is currently eating up 4.20%.  And the current (assumed to be second highest w/ the Donald deal) highest hit is Suh w/ a 7.99% share.

Oh, and Keenum's current cap share is 8%.

The Raiders needed to pay Carr, and it may have tied their hands when Mack didn't want to play for his current contract for one year. 

 

[DA RAIDERS]

No. No, it was not. It was a swing on a high risk/high reward pick. You know, the same kind of guys that we picked this year in the 2nd, 3rd and 5th that seem to be good hits. Sane philosophy but this time it didn't work. Hall, Key and Hurst look to be wins. Can't have those guys without something like Bryant happening. And it's all 20-20 after the fact.

this suspension was rumored everywhere when they made the trade.  they got ####### robbed and were morons for making the trade

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Read this ...it may make some of you feel better about the Mack Trade

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/09/01/khalil-mack-trade-oakland-raiders-chicago-bears-jon-gruden-news-report-odds-derek-carr-tweets/

if. if. if. if. waaaaaay to many ifs

 

[rockaction]

I think -- like kaso pointing out today and what gutter pointed out yesterday -- nobody in the NFL has two cap hits like what would have happened with Mack and Carr. 

It's a #### sandwich, for sure, but probably inevitable.  

 

[Chadstroma]

this suspension was rumored everywhere when they made the trade.  they got ####### robbed and were morons for making the trade

I will agree with you when you link a post along these lines from you when they made the trade. If that was your position back then- respect. If not, your 20/20 vision bores me.

 

[Chadstroma]

I think -- like kaso pointing out today and what gutter pointed out yesterday -- nobody in the NFL has two cap hits like what would have happened with Mack and Carr. 

It's a #### sandwich, for sure, but probably inevitable.  

And though I hate the Patriots, you can't say they are not winners.... who have they paid top dollar money to other than Brady? How many top defenders have they traded away for picks? Not saying that is what we did here... following their blueprint but it isn't like there are tons of examples of teams psying top dollar for QB sn DC then paying the top dollar on a defender too. 

 

[rockaction]

And though I hate the Patriots, you can't say they are not winners.... who have they paid top dollar money to other than Brady? How many top defenders have they traded away for picks? Not saying that is what we did here... following their blueprint but it isn't like there are tons of examples of teams psying top dollar for QB sn DC then paying the top dollar on a defender too. 

Nope, and the points made by gutter and kaso should be hammered home by now. 

If anyone is wondering why I'm in the thread, by the way, I used to be a huge Raiders fan. Now it's my regional teams (the NY guys) and that's it.  

 

[BustedKnuckles]

I think -- like kaso pointing out today and what gutter pointed out yesterday -- nobody in the NFL has two cap hits like what would have happened with Mack and Carr. 

It's a #### sandwich, for sure, but probably inevitable.  

this is what happens when you have 2 great drafts in a row and get top guys like Mack...Cooper and Carr so close together

 

[rockaction]

this is what happens when you have 2 great drafts in a row and get top guys like Mack...Cooper and Carr so close together

That's when you laud the GM and you kind of have to wonder why they've brought Gruden in to essentially be the personnel director/GM guy now. 

Isn't Reggie McKenzie proving that he's doing just fine?

 

[BustedKnuckles]

McKenzie has spoken quite a bit on this.

i dont mean tweets....i meant an actual televised news report where guys can ask questions

 

[cjv123]

this suspension was rumored everywhere when they made the trade.  they got ####### robbed and were morons for making the trade

Earliest I see on Google is June 15. After the draft. After becoming a Raider.

 

[Bruno2]

That's when you laud the GM and you kind of have to wonder why they've brought Gruden in to essentially be the personnel director/GM guy now. 

Isn't Reggie McKenzie proving that he's doing just fine?

I'm not so sure... I realize no GM bats 1.000 but hes missed on a lot of draft picks.

DJ Hayden 

Melenik Watson

Jihad Ward

Obi I'm hurt all the time

Mario Edwards 

And the jury is still out on Joseph. 

That's a lot of wasted high draft picks.

 

[rockaction]

I'm not so sure... I realize no GM bats 1.000 but hes missed on a lot of draft picks.

You would know better than I would. But just think: You could have a GM that picked Christian Hackenberg in the second round without any other second round picks to spare. 

eta* or that took Darron Lee in the first.   

 

[ICON211]

i dont mean tweets....i meant an actual televised news report where guys can ask questions

I thought I saw Gruden would be addressing things tonight.  Not sure how he will doing that though.

 

[rockaction]

So if he does that, it's safe to say that there's fallout from this. Was this planned? 

 

[ICON211]

So if he does that, it's safe to say that there's fallout from this. Was this planned? 

I think it was a scheduled media session, but I'm not sure.  

 

[massraider]

You can make the Mack argument. I don't agree with it, and I'll make a stronger one the other way. But you can make it, same as Pats trading Chandler Jones.

Tough to justify the Bryant deal, as far as I'm concerned. 

 

[rockaction]

I think it was a scheduled media session, but I'm not sure.  

Oh, so a known-in-advance media session that he's probably utterly dreading, huh? 

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Gruden about to address the media 

https://www.facebook.com/Raiders/videos/708168699532740/?notif_id=1535933243465635&notif_t=live_video

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Holy ####...he just said he wasn't involved in the decision to include the 2nd round pick in the trade. 

...Even if that were true, you don't admit it. You just found the one way to make your FO look even less functional. Wow.

 

[flapgreen]

Gruden looks shell shocked. Gonna be a long 10 years

 

[Chadstroma]

Practice Squad

Player Pos

Ateman, Marcell WR

Blacknall, Snead WR

Butler, Paul TE

Cabinda, Jason LB

Leavitt, Dallin S

Wright, Gabe DT

Yurachek, Ryan FB

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Gruden looks shell shocked. Gonna be a long 10 years

really?i thought he looked tired but thats to be expected...i also thought he handled the onslaught he knew was coming rather well...didnt get flustered...stayed on point...said the truth and left

 

[Chadstroma]

really?i thought he looked tired but thats to be expected...i also thought he handled the onslaught he knew was coming rather well...didnt get flustered...stayed on point...said the truth and left

Ignore that silly crap. He is a Bear fan still all hyped up on getting Mack.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Ignore that silly crap. He is a Bear fan still all hyped up on getting Mack.

i cant blame him for being hyped up tho thats for sure

 

[efactor]

this is what happens when you have 2 great drafts in a row and get top guys like Mack...Cooper and Carr so close together

2015 draft was great? 

I’ll give you 2014, but 2015 was a dumpster fire after Cooper, especially when you consider where they were drafting.  

 

[Chaka]

I forget, what did the Raiders give up when they traded for Christian Hackeysack?

 

[Chaka]

But look on the bright side, at least they're the oldest team in the league now.

 

[rockaction]

I forget, what did the Raiders give up when they traded for Christian Hackeysack?

Seventh rounder, IIRC

 

[RaiderBones]

Seventh rounder, IIRC

I thought it was a conditional 7th round pick and since the Raiders cut him right away the Raiders were able to retain the 7th round pick. I may be wrong of course.

 

[rockaction]

I thought it was a conditional 7th round pick and since the Raiders cut him right away the Raiders were able to retain the 7th round pick. I may be wrong of course.

Nope, you're absolutely right. It was conditional and they saved the pick by releasing him. 

 

[DA RAIDERS]

I want to like gruden, I really do. But that press conference was so full of blatant lies, I can’t even wrap my head around it.   He wasn’t involved at all?  He had no idea a 2nd was in th3 trade?  Bryant was gonna get cut no matter what.  It had nothing to do with the suspension?    People want to pit Reggie and I against each other, but we are in this together all way. Oh, what’s that?  A question on the trade?  Ask Reggie, I have nothing to do with that stuff.

He liked aj from one of his “little episodes”(not a lie, but come on).

All the smirking.  Such utter horse ####  it’s gonna be a brutal 5 years  

ETA:  100,000,000. That’s, one hundred million dollars.  Again, “I have nothing to do with that stuff”

 

[rockaction]

Yikes. I'd be upset, too. 

eta* It sucks to get shafted and have your intelligence insulted all at once. 

 

[cjv123]

Mack got the contract he wanted, one the Raiders could not match. Mack had decided he would get the contract or else. Conceivably big "else." There were only a few teams willing to pay Mack that much money, and the Raiders were still able to receive a very large return, roughly two to three times the value Bill Belicheck received for Jimmy Garoppolo. Mack is more proven than Jimmy G, of course, but Jimmy G wasn't even holding out. The truth is, everybody is happy. Mack is happy. The Bears are excited. The Raiders are happy they received full value for Mack the "asset," given there is a salary cap and contract prices DO matter. And, the coaching staff needs to be at least respected here, as they have made it clear they see Arden Key as a special player. The final scorecard on this trade is long from being written.

 

[DocHolliday]

Mack got the contract he wanted, one the Raiders could not match. Mack had decided he would get the contract or else. Conceivably big "else." There were only a few teams willing to pay Mack that much money, and the Raiders were still able to receive a very large return, roughly two-three times the value Bill Belicheck received for Jimmy Garoppolo. Mack is more proven than Jimmy G, of course, but Jimmy G wasn't even holding out. The truth is, everybody is happy. Mack is happy. The Bears are excited. The Raiders are happy they received full value for Mack the "asset," given there is a salary cap and contract prices DO matter. And, the coaching staff needs to be at least respected here, as they have made it clear they see Arden Key as a special player. The final scorecard on this trade is long from being written.

It seems like some Raider fans are irritated with Gruden because he has final say on moves but is trying to distance himself from unappealing moves. I didn't watch the presser.    I have had enough of the Raiders for a while.  

 

[msommer]

And though I hate the Patriots, you can't say they are not winners.... who have they paid top dollar money to other than Brady? How many top defenders have they traded away for picks? Not saying that is what we did here... following their blueprint but it isn't like there are tons of examples of teams psying top dollar for QB sn DC then paying the top dollar on a defender too. 

Frankly, they are not even paying top dollar for Brady - latest contract is 2018+2019 for 30m

This year is the first year ever his cash earnings reach 20m - previous high was 19.75m in 2011 (which might have been top dollar then, not sure)

Brady has averaged (up to 2017 season and including his rookie contract) 11m per year

Aaron Rodgers just over 10m (but that'll skyrocket when 2018 is included - and the rest of his contract is going to pull up as well - even if the last couple of years with no guarantees are taken out) 

 

[massraider]

It seems like some Raider fans are irritated with Gruden because he has final say on moves but is trying to distance himself from unappealing moves. I didn't watch the presser.    I have had enough of the Raiders for a while.  

He sounded like a politician in that presser.  Shifting responsibility, passing the buck, and making vague statements that meant nothing.  He was not the in-control of the message to the media Gruden we are used to.  

The Bryant deal was 100% his, clearly.  If there was any doubt, he made it clear with his statements.  Blowing it off as worth the risk by stating they had just cut 2nd rounders like Edwards.  I didn't mind the risk, and still don't, but a 3rd was steep, and Reggie wouldn't have made that move, I am certain.  

If it's true there was no communication with Mack from February, then Gruden decided then he wasn't going to sign Mack back then.  If that's the case, then getting two 1st rounders now makes sense.  

By the way, LOL at some media types claiming it amounts to less than two 1st rounders because we gave a 2nd back for the 3rd rounder.  Whatever.  when the Bears pick in the 1st round the next two years, it'll be the Raiders pick.  If the Raiders are dying for that 2nd back, they can trade down, and still have two #1s.  When the teams are on the clock, that trade value chart is truly, completely meaningless.  It was good for the Bears that they got a bump up from 3rd to the 2nd, but the difference between a 3rd and a 2nd is minor, and a 2nd and a 1st is massive.  Just in the abstract, in terms of trade value.  

I am not polishing this turd.  You make smart cap decisions, so you can keep your best players.  We did the first part, but not the second part.  

What really bother me is that we are not the Vikings, with blue chip players all coming up on deals.  If the Vikings had Mack, and let him go to keep Hunter, Diggs, and Barr, it makes complete sense.  

Our upcoming free agents are Melvin, Cooper, Cook, Joseph.  That's over the next TWO years.  Hudson has a void clause.  Those are the biggest names.  Cooper's contract parameters are set.  No one is topping OBJ, Landry's contract is about where it should be.  Melvin, Cook and Joseph all might be worth re-signing, or they might not.  

We could have front-loaded Mack's deal, with a lot of money next year, and he would have had a quite reasonable deal for the balance of the contract.  

Gruden decided the team was better with that money spread across the team.  We shall see.  I am sitting here with my arms folded for the next two years, I wanna see where this money goes.  

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

He sounded like a politician in that presser.  Shifting responsibility, passing the buck, and making vague statements that meant nothing.  He was not the in-control of the message to the media Gruden we are used to.  

The Bryant deal was 100% his, clearly.  If there was any doubt, he made it clear with his statements.  Blowing it off as worth the risk by stating they had just cut 2nd rounders like Edwards.  I didn't mind the risk, and still don't, but a 3rd was steep, and Reggie wouldn't have made that move, I am certain.  

If it's true there was no communication with Mack from February, then Gruden decided then he wasn't going to sign Mack back then.  If that's the case, then getting two 1st rounders now makes sense.  

By the way, LOL at some media types claiming it amounts to less than two 1st rounders because we gave a 2nd back for the 3rd rounder.  Whatever.  when the Bears pick in the 1st round the next two years, it'll be the Raiders pick.  If the Raiders are dying for that 2nd back, they can trade down, and still have two #1s.  When the teams are on the clock, that trade value chart is truly, completely meaningless.  It was good for the Bears that they got a bump up from 3rd to the 2nd, but the difference between a 3rd and a 2nd is minor, and a 2nd and a 1st is massive.  Just in the abstract, in terms of trade value.  

I am not polishing this turd.  You make smart cap decisions, so you can keep your best players.  We did the first part, but not the second part.  

What really bother me is that we are not the Vikings, with blue chip players all coming up on deals.  If the Vikings had Mack, and let him go to keep Hunter, Diggs, and Barr, it makes complete sense.  

Our upcoming free agents are Melvin, Cooper, Cook, Joseph.  That's over the next TWO years.  Hudson has a void clause.  Those are the biggest names.  Cooper's contract parameters are set.  No one is topping OBJ, Landry's contract is about where it should be.  Melvin, Cook and Joseph all might be worth re-signing, or they might not.  

We could have front-loaded Mack's deal, with a lot of money next year, and he would have had a quite reasonable deal for the balance of the contract.  

Gruden decided the team was better with that money spread across the team.  We shall see.  I am sitting here with my arms folded for the next two years, I wanna see where this money goes.  

Peter King agrees - I read this just a few mins ago. He’s not a fan of the deal at all, and also reports that his sources said the Raiders not only were not in contact, but “But between late February and late August, I’m told, the Raiders didn’t aggressively try to resolve the Mack contract issue—not as aggressively as the Rams with Aaron Donald or the Packers with Aaron Rodgers. Mack was on the fifth-year option of his rookie deal but didn’t report to camp, and the Raiders seemed willing to hope Mack would report this week so he could begin collecting increments of his $13.846-million one-year salary.”

 

so they thought he was bluffing, ignored him completely & then at the last min when they realized their mistake they traded him for 2 firsts as a last resort. 

There’s a lot more in the article - worth a read, but it’ll make you mad. Hell, it made me mad & I’m not even a Raiders fan. 

There’s a Mack blurb at the top. Scroll down for the full Mack article. 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/09/03/khalil-mack-trade-super-bowl-prediction-peter-king/

 

[Bruno2]

Couple things:

Apologies for my rants the other night, they were alcohol-fueled. But that's how I get over things.

I don't buy anything Gruden says. His fingerprints are all over this roster. It's all his team, I'm not 100% sure, but I think Reggie's job description is "Cap Guy".

I'm not happy but I'm not going to become a bandwagon Bears fan now either. I'm going to watch this play out. Monday night will tell a lot about the direction of the Raiders this season. If they get absolutely destroyed, I may not watch another game all season. If they win, or play a hard-fought game in a close loss. I'll give Chuckie a chance. 

 

[massraider]

Peter King agrees - I read this just a few mins ago. He’s not a fan of the deal at all, and also reports that his sources said the Raiders not only were not in contact, but “But between late February and late August, I’m told, the Raiders didn’t aggressively try to resolve the Mack contract issue—not as aggressively as the Rams with Aaron Donald or the Packers with Aaron Rodgers. Mack was on the fifth-year option of his rookie deal but didn’t report to camp, and the Raiders seemed willing to hope Mack would report this week so he could begin collecting increments of his $13.846-million one-year salary.”

 

so they thought he was bluffing, ignored him completely & then at the last min when they realized their mistake they traded him for 2 firsts as a last resort. 

There’s a lot more in the article - worth a read, but it’ll make you mad. Hell, it made me mad & I’m not even a Raiders fan. 

There’s a Mack blurb at the top. Scroll down for the full Mack article. 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/09/03/khalil-mack-trade-super-bowl-prediction-peter-king/

''Bluffing" is a strange word, I doubt they thought he wasn't looking to get paid.

I think they/Gruden decided early on to move on.  

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

''Bluffing" is a strange word, I doubt they thought he wasn't looking to get paid.

I think they/Gruden decided early on to move on.  

 Well, they thought he would just come in and take his regular salary. 

 Same difference in that it sounds like they didn’t bother to negotiate at all. 

 That seems… Less than competent 

 King make some other very interesting and solid observations about the value of the trade, what the Raiders lost, and what their chances of regaining that value is. 

 Spoiler alert: it’s not good.