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*** Official Pete Buttigieg Thread *** (2 Viewers)

th' hell?

"...Rhodes scholar & former Navy lieutenant who served in Afghanistan, graduated magna cum laude from Harvard, speaks eight languages..."

Had no idea about any of that.

ETA:  he's listed at 30/1 at Oddschecker.  He many not win, but those odds are way off.  I never wager (outside FGBs), but I'm going to see if one of my Euro buds can something down at that price.

 
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I just realized Buttigieg is a lefty. 

Not sure how that impacts the race - but thought I should get that out there if it makes a difference to anyone.

 
Headline is not quite right, but (from Chris Cilliza):

Pete Buttigieg just nailed what Hillary Clinton did wrong in 2016

(CNN)Pete Buttigieg is on a roll of late. And that extends to his spot-on analysis of why Democrats -- and Hillary Clinton in particular -- lost the 2016 election to President Donald Trump.

"We spent, I think, way too much time on our side talking about him," Buttigieg said in an interview with "The Breakfast Club," a New York City-based radio show, which ran Tuesday morning. "Our whole message was don't vote for him because he is terrible. And even because he is, that is not a message."

That is the single best -- and most concise -- encapsulation of why Clinton lost and Trump won that I have heard from anyone -- Democrat, Republican or independent in the two-plus years since the 2016 election.

I don't necessarily think that was true - Clinton had a couple of messages -> "I'm with her"  and she had a lot of policy-based reasons to vote for her.  Where I do agree with Buttigieg is that Clinton did not have a message that resonated with enough people in the mid-west - and part of that was hubris and a reliance on anti-Trump.

 
Sinn Fein said:
Headline is not quite right, but (from Chris Cilliza):

Pete Buttigieg just nailed what Hillary Clinton did wrong in 2016

(CNN)Pete Buttigieg is on a roll of late. And that extends to his spot-on analysis of why Democrats -- and Hillary Clinton in particular -- lost the 2016 election to President Donald Trump.

"We spent, I think, way too much time on our side talking about him," Buttigieg said in an interview with "The Breakfast Club," a New York City-based radio show, which ran Tuesday morning. "Our whole message was don't vote for him because he is terrible. And even because he is, that is not a message."

That is the single best -- and most concise -- encapsulation of why Clinton lost and Trump won that I have heard from anyone -- Democrat, Republican or independent in the two-plus years since the 2016 election.

I don't necessarily think that was true - Clinton had a couple of messages -> "I'm with her"  and she had a lot of policy-based reasons to vote for her.  Where I do agree with Buttigieg is that Clinton did not have a message that resonated with enough people in the mid-west - and part of that was hubris and a reliance on anti-Trump.
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I think Cilliza is making the connection to Hillary specifically, but Pete seemed to be talking about Democrats in general, which is still true today to a large degree. Who cares about Trumps latest rally or latest dumb tweet? His entire presidency is a PR stunt.

The best way to combat Trump is to not give him oxygen, just kind of ignore him the best you can. Good publicity, bad publicity, it doesn't matter; Trump just wants people talking about Trump. At this point everyone not drinking the Kool Aid knows Trump is terrible, and frankly the dudes schtick is boring and not worthy of attention. Pete does a decent job talking past Trump and staying on his message.

 
Has anyone heard him talk about free trade? I’m curious about his position on it.  

The other thread mentioned he favors rent control. I’d also like to read what his argument there.

 
Juxtatarot said:
Has anyone heard him talk about free trade? I’m curious about his position on it.  
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I don't think I have - but he is big on automation as the driver of lost jobs, and the importance of re-training the work force to be competitive moving forward.

So - just a shot in the dark - but I think he would be generally in favor of free trade, and would deal with lost jobs in a different way than turning back the clock (thats another of his things - not going back, but moving forward).

 
Just doing a little digging - and came across this: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-does-pete-buttigieg-believe-where-the-candidate-stands-on-7-issues

Economy/trade: Supports labor. Thinks NAFTA resulted in significant jobs losses.

The Democrat thinks NAFTA caused irreplaceable job losses across the industrial Midwest. He is a strong supporter of labor and union groups, and says Democrats must work harder to advocate for working people and help them achieve economic stability.
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But - the "thinks NAFTA caused irreplaceable job losses across the industrial Midwest" links to a story from 2017, and the actual quote in the story is:

"I mean, NAFTA happened a while ago. And a lot of the jobs that were lost then, it would be very hard to bring back no matter what because of automation."

So - based on the actual quote, and what I have heard him say recently, he looks at job loss as an automation issue, and one that is not going away.  He wants to protect workers - not by holding back technology, but by re-training for the future economy.

 
Juxtatarot said:
Has anyone heard him talk about free trade? I’m curious about his position on it.  

The other thread mentioned he favors rent control. I’d also like to read what his argument there.
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He’s a pragmatist on trade and jobs. “Globalization is coming with or without us, so the question is not ‘should we let commerce get more global’ but rather ‘how can we use the trend of globalization to our advantage?’”

 
Sinn Fein said:
I don't think I have - but he is big on automation as the driver of lost jobs, and the importance of re-training the work force to be competitive moving forward.

So - just a shot in the dark - but I think he would be generally in favor of free trade, and would deal with lost jobs in a different way than turning back the clock (thats another of his things - not going back, but moving forward).
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Yes, thanks.  I was thinking along the same lines.

 But it seems most of the Democratic candidates have a protectionist streak and manufacturing jobs are so important to northern Indiana that I was hoping to read/watch a quote.

I’ve watch and read a lot about Pete the last few days.  I think he’s my favorite as of now.  I think he could do well in MI, PA, OH and WI.

 
Juxtatarot said:
Yes, thanks.  I was thinking along the same lines.

 But it seems most of the Democratic candidates have a protectionist streak and manufacturing jobs are so important to northern Indiana that I was hoping to read/watch a quote.

I’ve watch and read a lot about Pete the last few days.  I think he’s my favorite as of now.  I think he could do well in MI, PA, OH and WI.
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He’s definitely my favorite hands down at this point.  I was thinking “gosh, I wish there was more time for him to gain traction” and then realized “gosh, it’s almost a year before Iowa.”

 
Recent tweet:

INT. Irish Pub

The two gentleman are sharing a pint on their first date. 

Chasten: do you play any instruments?

Peter: the piano and guitar 

Chasten: oh neat. ever played in public?

Peter: yeah I played Rhapsody in Blue with the symphony orchestra

Chasten: *spits beer on table*
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Henry Ford said:
He’s a pragmatist on trade and jobs. “Globalization is coming with or without us, so the question is not ‘should we let commerce get more global’ but rather ‘how can we use the trend of globalization to our advantage?’”
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I got a feeling that he's a giant reform guy, so his stealth would be among my favorite of his qualities. I'm almost certainly projecting, but let a fat ol' hippie have a li'l fun just once.

 
Henry Ford said:
He’s definitely my favorite hands down at this point.  I was thinking “gosh, I wish there was more time for him to gain traction” and then realized “gosh, it’s almost a year before Iowa.”
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I'm with Pete - but, he does face a few hurdles going from a campaign in South Bend, to a national campaign  - that is not an easy jump for a candidate to make, both personally, but also professionally - finding the right campaign team that can run a national campaign, without losing the small town charm.

 
Of all the candidates who are running - Mayor Pete is the only one who strikes me as someone who can unite the country.  He comes across as someone who listens and empathizes with many points of view. 

I like a number of other Dem candidates for various reasons - but they all seem to be polarizing, in their own way.  Buttigieg stand apart from the crowd in that respect.

 
One more thought - I did not really pay attention to the race for the DNC chair - but the Dems really missed the boat on passing on Buttigieg.  I think he would have been a good bridge from the "progressive" side, and the more centrist side of the party - while also acknowledging the generational gap.  That tells me the party still had not really learned their lessons in the 2016 race.  To much "Me" and not enough "Everyone" in the party.

Hopefully the party can look at the successes of 2018, and the campaign of Buttigieg, and see that the way forward is to focus on big issues that matter to people - and not on being anti-Trump.

 
Henry Ford said:
Recent tweet:
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South Bend Mayor Pete Buttigieg turned to IU South Bend to prepare for his upcoming piano playing debut with the South Bend Symphony.  He has been practicing weekly with Edisher Savitski of the Toradze Piano Studio in a rehearsal room in Northside Hall. “I am honored that someone of his stature on piano is willing to work with me,” said the mayor of Savitski.

They have been working together since this summer on “Rhapsody in Blue, the piece Buttigieg will be playing in the “A Valentine from Gershwin” concert at the Morris Performing Arts Center on Saturday, February 16 at 8 p.m. 
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:lmao:

It's like the Chuck Norris thing -- except they're all true.

 
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:lmao:

@PeteButtigieg

Doing a quick bit of laundry. Hear loud scream. Run into kitchen terrified, expecting to see @Chas10Buttigieg in pool of blood. Am thereupon informed that @Lin_Manuel is following my husband, whose life is now complete.

 
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Good read. Pete not shunning Fox is the smart play.

My Dad’s a Fox News-Watching Texan. What He Said About Pete Buttigieg Stunned Me.
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That was great. In one of the recent interviews I saw Pete was asked about Trump promising to bring back coal jobs, and why voters in the rust belt believe something like that. His answer was those voters may know it’s not true, but to them it’s a way of saying “I care about you.” 

I totally agree with this. Democrats need a message for rural voters and other areas that have been disproportionately affected by globalization and automation. Health care, education, job training. Like the article says, it’s not like Democrats are going to flip the deepest red states, but all they need are PA, WI, & MI. 

 
Highly recommend reading this interview.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/3/28/18283925/pete-buttigieg-mayor-pete-interview-capitalism

A few key quotes:

I think of myself as progressive. But I also believe in capitalism, but it has to be democratic capitalism.

Part of the problem here is that you have one generation that grew up associating socialism with communism like they’re the same thing, and therefore also assuming that capitalism and democracy were inseparable. I’ve grown up in a time when you can pretty much tell that there’s tension between capitalism and democracy, and negotiating that tension is probably the biggest challenge for America right now.

You don’t have to look that hard to find examples of capitalism without democracy — Russia leaps to mind. And when you have capitalism without democracy, you get crony capitalism and eventually oligarchy. So a healthy capitalist system, working within the rule of law, is the stuff of American growth and can be the stuff of equitable growth. But we don’t have that right now.
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When you’re in a system where money can equate to power, even more than it has historically, through the ability to purchase influence in politics, what starts to happen is the bigger you are and the more resources you command, the more you can bend the system to your advantage.

I think that structure helps to explain why our society has become more and more unequal. And all sorts of horrible side effects happen when you have that inequality, in addition to it just being morally upsetting. Look at the way that a lot of powerful businesses get their way in Washington. In statehouses it’s even more pronounced, because there’s less scrutiny.

It also leads to much greater concentration and consolidation in our economy. People are usually talking about that right now in the context of the tech sector, but it’s just as big a problem or bigger in the agricultural sector. This is a nation-wide illness that winds up threatening both democracy and capitalism.
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Those two quotes stood out to me too.  I agree 100% and have trouble understanding how anyone could argue against that.

 
Juxtatarot said:
Those two quotes stood out to me too.  I agree 100% and have trouble understanding how anyone could argue against that.
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His framing of the tension between democracy and capitalism is really well thought out. 

I also love the way he blows past the Socialism argument and correctly identifies it as handing a talking point to Republicans for no real reason. 

 
I just have this vision of Justin Trudeau and Pete Buttigieg hanging out and being best friends and I realize while thinking about it that Pete would be the cooler, smarter, more accomplished, grittier, more politically capable, but also more compassionate and human one and.... yeah, that’s kind of what I would like to happen for America. 

 
Henry Ford said:
I just have this vision of Justin Trudeau and Pete Buttigieg hanging out and being best friends and I realize while thinking about it that Pete would be the cooler, smarter, more accomplished, grittier, more politically capable, but also more compassionate and human one and.... yeah, that’s kind of what I would like to happen for America. 
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Why do i hear boom-chikka-wa-wa when i read this post?

 
Just checking in to let y'all know that Mayor Pete deserves the stars on the other side of the thread title.  Let's make it happen.

 
Quinnipiac poll released today:

Buttigieg is up to 4% among Democrats.  Sure, that doesn't sound like much.  But he's just getting into the spotlight.  And that's tied with Warren and higher than:

Booker (2%)

Gillibrand (1%)

Klobuchar (2%)

Castro (1%)

Gabbard -

Inslee (1%)

Hickenlooper (1%)

Delaney -

Yang (1%)

Williamson -

 
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I thought 4% was a great number for Buttigieg.

He still has a long way to go on the name recognition aspect - but the jump up to 4% nationally, and 11%, I think, in Iowa, is a testament that he has not really scared anyone away.  He, more than any other current candidate, is really taking advantage of this lull between announcements and the summer, to grab some headlines organically.  He is being visible, and winning supporters, when many of the other candidates are dormant.

I think he is going to have to ramp up here pretty soon - from a campaign standpoint - to be able to handle bigger engagements, but more importantly figure out the fundraising - collecting emails, creating donor lists, etc.

 
His rise has been so sudden.  For instance, our forum straw poll from March 15 only had one person pick him.  Just from reading this thread, it's clear he would be much higher in a new poll.   I even wonder about the Quinnipiac poll since the data was collected from March 21 through March 25.

 
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