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Official Pick 12 Thread (#12---non ppr) (1 Viewer)

RalphMouth

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Do we really want to draft back to back WRs at #12 & #13 ?

I think not.... especially in a league like mine where RBs are still highly coveted-

what are you fellow pick #12 thinking at this point ?

 
Moss, Fitz, Wayne, Manning.

Take any two and don't look back.

At 36 &37 , with a little luck you might be looking at Wells, McCoy, Stewart, or Thomas.

 
This is my spot and I think there's maybe as much value in doing something like:

12 S-Jax (will be there in my league)

13 Greene

36 S.Smith

37 Crabtree

I don't care for the RB's available at 36/37, they all seem like injury concerns (Thomas, Moreno, Wells already hurt in TC) and would feel painted into a corner to take 2 there if I start WR/WR. Another option would be to do something like:

12 S-Jax

13 R.Moss

Then there's flexibility at 36/37 to either go RB/WR again or maybe even RB/RB if the value is right and load up on upside WR's later.

 
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In PPR, there is just no RB worth taking at this spot unless SJax, Turner drops.

I'm looking at 2 of R. Moss, Wayne or Fitz

3rd/4th - I'll take J. Charles, D Will, Greene, Wells, Benson. However, I won't reach for a RB. I love this spot to grab the last of the 1st tier of QBs and the top TE off the board.

I'm thinking Brady/Romo and Clark/Gates.

5th/6th it depends on the starting requirements. I play in 16 team league requiring 1 RB, 2 WR and a flex, so RB is not a real need. I just go for value. Forte, Best, R. Brown would be RBs I would take here.

Later in the draft I may reach a little for RBs I'm higher on this year in hopes of finding a R. Rice or C. Benson.

Portis, Maroney, Foster, Forsett, Bradshaw, Spiller, M. Bush I would be happy with 3 of those if I don't take a RB in the 5th/6th.

 
In PPR, there is just no RB worth taking at this spot unless SJax, Turner drops. I'm looking at 2 of R. Moss, Wayne or Fitz3rd/4th - I'll take J. Charles, D Will, Greene, Wells, Benson. However, I won't reach for a RB. I love this spot to grab the last of the 1st tier of QBs and the top TE off the board. I'm thinking Brady/Romo and Clark/Gates.5th/6th it depends on the starting requirements. I play in 16 team league requiring 1 RB, 2 WR and a flex, so RB is not a real need. I just go for value. Forte, Best, R. Brown would be RBs I would take here. Later in the draft I may reach a little for RBs I'm higher on this year in hopes of finding a R. Rice or C. Benson.Portis, Maroney, Foster, Forsett, Bradshaw, Spiller, M. Bush I would be happy with 3 of those if I don't take a RB in the 5th/6th.
I like the WR/WR 1st and 2nd round followed by the QB/TE in the 3rd/4th like you mentioned. I've even gone WR/WR/WR/TE and that turned out well too. I doubt Charles, DWill, Greene or Benson will be there in the 3/4 turn in a 12 team league, let alone a 16 team league, but aside from that, I like your plan. I've mocked a few times and I like the way my team turns out best when I do what you describe above. But mocks are misleading. Most people in there tend to just draft to fill their starting requirments but in my real draft, most tend to take value. They'll draft 4rbs before their second receiver if that's where the value is. But I'll see how my draft unfolds and I hope I have the balls to hold off on the RB until the 5th.
 
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In PPR, there is just no RB worth taking at this spot unless SJax, Turner drops. I'm looking at 2 of R. Moss, Wayne or Fitz3rd/4th - I'll take J. Charles, D Will, Greene, Wells, Benson. However, I won't reach for a RB. I love this spot to grab the last of the 1st tier of QBs and the top TE off the board. I'm thinking Brady/Romo and Clark/Gates.5th/6th it depends on the starting requirements. I play in 16 team league requiring 1 RB, 2 WR and a flex, so RB is not a real need. I just go for value. Forte, Best, R. Brown would be RBs I would take here. Later in the draft I may reach a little for RBs I'm higher on this year in hopes of finding a R. Rice or C. Benson.Portis, Maroney, Foster, Forsett, Bradshaw, Spiller, M. Bush I would be happy with 3 of those if I don't take a RB in the 5th/6th.
I like the WR/WR 1st and 2nd round followed by the QB/TE in the 3rd/4th like you mentioned. I've even gone WR/WR/WR/TE and that turned out well too. I doubt Charles, DWill, Greene or Benson will be there in the 3/4 turn in a 12 team league, let alone a 16 team league, but aside from that, I like your plan. I've mocked a few times and I like the way my team turns out best when I do what you describe above. But mocks are misleading. Most people in there tend to just draft to fill their starting requirments but in my real draft, most tend to take value. They'll draft 4rbs before their second receiver if that's where the value is. But I'll see how my draft unfolds and I hope I have the balls to hold off on the RB until the 5th.
Our league still tends to go RB heavy in the first two rounds. I may have to take a stud WR & best RB available in this slot & then in the end of the 3rd hope Schaub is there.
 
Leeroy Jenkins said:
:lmao:I'm thinking sjax/dwill and moss/Calvin/roddy
That approach definitely gives you the most flexibility when the 3/4 turn comes. You can go Rb/WR again if the value is right, or even RB/RB or RB/TE. Should be a competitive start. My issue with the RB's at the end of round 1 is simply they're tough to separate. I also think Shonn Greene should be considered there along with S-Jax and Williams.
 
I've been trying different things out and I don't think I like the WR-WR route as much as I used to. You can still get a decent WR2 at the 3-4 turn and I've tried going WR-QB and WR-RB and I like the outcomes both times. The RB's are a lot of question marks there, so taking Grant might not be a bad idea. My rationale is that yes the RB pool is deep, but everyone is a question mark. Might as well take the sure thing with Grant and then take some guesses in the 3rd, 4th, 5th, etc. I like Greene and Mathews potential, but what sort of stats are people realistically hoping for? I would figure if I got 1400 and 12 out of them, I'd be psyched. But isn't that what Grant gives you? The TD's might be a little lower, but those are tough to predict anyways.

 
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I've been trying different things out and I don't think I like the WR-WR route as much as I used to. You can still get a decent WR2 at the 3-4 turn and I've tried going WR-QB and WR-RB and I like the outcomes both times. The RB's are a lot of question marks there, so taking Grant might not be a bad idea. My rationale is that yes the RB pool is deep, but everyone is a question mark. Might as well take the sure thing with Grant and then take some guesses in the 3rd, 4th, 5th, etc. I like Greene and Mathews potential, but what sort of stats are people realistically hoping for? I would figure if I got 1400 and 12 out of them, I'd be psyched. But isn't that what Grant gives you? The TD's might be a little lower, but those are tough to predict anyways.
so, you are looking for a career year from Grant? Grant will get you 1200 11. R. Moss, R. Wayne, Fitz should get you that with a higher ceiling. Plus that is not including the PPR. I also like Forte/Addai/Moreno's floor much better than Ocho/Bowe/Walker.

 
Actually considering QB at the turn. There is a premium on QB's in my league (6 pt passing TD's) and the champion generally has an elite QB. I'll be shocked if Brees and Rogers are available at that pick. Likely going Manning and best WR possible (Moss/Fitz), then filling in RBs later. Should still be some value at the 3/4 turn.

 
I've been trying different things out and I don't think I like the WR-WR route as much as I used to. You can still get a decent WR2 at the 3-4 turn and I've tried going WR-QB and WR-RB and I like the outcomes both times. The RB's are a lot of question marks there, so taking Grant might not be a bad idea. My rationale is that yes the RB pool is deep, but everyone is a question mark. Might as well take the sure thing with Grant and then take some guesses in the 3rd, 4th, 5th, etc. I like Greene and Mathews potential, but what sort of stats are people realistically hoping for? I would figure if I got 1400 and 12 out of them, I'd be psyched. But isn't that what Grant gives you? The TD's might be a little lower, but those are tough to predict anyways.
so, you are looking for a career year from Grant? Grant will get you 1200 11. R. Moss, R. Wayne, Fitz should get you that with a higher ceiling. Plus that is not including the PPR. I also like Forte/Addai/Moreno's floor much better than Ocho/Bowe/Walker.
Actually Grant had 1,450 last year with 11 TD's. And he's on one of the best offenses in football and he tore it up at the end of the year once his offensive line was at full power. I think Wayne's ceiling is actually the same as Grant's, probably lower. And I thought this was in a non-ppr. In ppr, then obviously WR-WR is probably the best bet. But you don't think that Boldin or both Steve Smiths (all of whom are often available at the 3/4 turn) will put up comparable stats to Roddy or Jennings? Moss will most likely not be there at the turn and I'm scared of Fitz. And I don't think Moreno and Forte will be comparable to Grant. At all. I like Addai. But me personally, I would like a start of Calvin/Grant better than Calvin/Roddy. It just gives you more options later. Now you don't need to go RB at the 3/4 if you don't want to. But if you went WR/WR, you'd sort of have to. But that's just my opinion.
 
I've been trying different things out and I don't think I like the WR-WR route as much as I used to. You can still get a decent WR2 at the 3-4 turn and I've tried going WR-QB and WR-RB and I like the outcomes both times. The RB's are a lot of question marks there, so taking Grant might not be a bad idea. My rationale is that yes the RB pool is deep, but everyone is a question mark. Might as well take the sure thing with Grant and then take some guesses in the 3rd, 4th, 5th, etc. I like Greene and Mathews potential, but what sort of stats are people realistically hoping for? I would figure if I got 1400 and 12 out of them, I'd be psyched. But isn't that what Grant gives you? The TD's might be a little lower, but those are tough to predict anyways.
so, you are looking for a career year from Grant? Grant will get you 1200 11. R. Moss, R. Wayne, Fitz should get you that with a higher ceiling. Plus that is not including the PPR. I also like Forte/Addai/Moreno's floor much better than Ocho/Bowe/Walker.
Actually Grant had 1,450 last year with 11 TD's. And he's on one of the best offenses in football and he tore it up at the end of the year once his offensive line was at full power. I think Wayne's ceiling is actually the same as Grant's, probably lower. And I thought this was in a non-ppr. In ppr, then obviously WR-WR is probably the best bet. But you don't think that Boldin or both Steve Smiths (all of whom are often available at the 3/4 turn) will put up comparable stats to Roddy or Jennings? Moss will most likely not be there at the turn and I'm scared of Fitz. And I don't think Moreno and Forte will be comparable to Grant. At all. I like Addai. But me personally, I would like a start of Calvin/Grant better than Calvin/Roddy. It just gives you more options later. Now you don't need to go RB at the 3/4 if you don't want to. But if you went WR/WR, you'd sort of have to. But that's just my opinion.
Forte had 1400 yards last year. He did not have the TDs, which as you say is hard to factor in. I think that number will be better this year under Martz and he can be had at the next turn.

It is for nonPPR, but I tend to play in PPR leagues. Grant does hold more value, but at 2.01?

I just think Grant is a reach at 2.01 since he is going at 3/4 turn. However, I am one to take chances. I would probably take Charles over Grant if I had to choose one.

 
Ryan Matthews and Stud WR (Moss/Wayne/Fitz) followed by Jamaal Charles & Steve Smith/CAR could be a great start

Both Ryan Matthews and Jamaal Charles get NFC West and AFC West (one of those conferences twice).... that schedule has huge upside if you have both RBs with that schedule....imagine the Rams; Seahawks; Cards; Raiders; Chiefs; San Diego; Broncos D all the time

Shonne Greene has a tough schedule - Baltimore; Minnesota; Pittsburgh; Cincy; Chicago; Miami; NE (all top to middle of pack run Ds last year). He does get Cleveland; Det; Bills; Hous; Denver too.... but it is more of a mixed bag. His playoff schedule is Pitt; Miami; Chi....

Charles gets SD; St Louis; Tenessee in playoffs

Ryan Matthews gets KC; SF and Cincy in the playoffs

 
I've been trying different things out and I don't think I like the WR-WR route as much as I used to. You can still get a decent WR2 at the 3-4 turn and I've tried going WR-QB and WR-RB and I like the outcomes both times. The RB's are a lot of question marks there, so taking Grant might not be a bad idea. My rationale is that yes the RB pool is deep, but everyone is a question mark. Might as well take the sure thing with Grant and then take some guesses in the 3rd, 4th, 5th, etc. I like Greene and Mathews potential, but what sort of stats are people realistically hoping for? I would figure if I got 1400 and 12 out of them, I'd be psyched. But isn't that what Grant gives you? The TD's might be a little lower, but those are tough to predict anyways.
so, you are looking for a career year from Grant? Grant will get you 1200 11. R. Moss, R. Wayne, Fitz should get you that with a higher ceiling. Plus that is not including the PPR. I also like Forte/Addai/Moreno's floor much better than Ocho/Bowe/Walker.
Actually Grant had 1,450 last year with 11 TD's. And he's on one of the best offenses in football and he tore it up at the end of the year once his offensive line was at full power. I think Wayne's ceiling is actually the same as Grant's, probably lower. And I thought this was in a non-ppr. In ppr, then obviously WR-WR is probably the best bet. But you don't think that Boldin or both Steve Smiths (all of whom are often available at the 3/4 turn) will put up comparable stats to Roddy or Jennings? Moss will most likely not be there at the turn and I'm scared of Fitz. And I don't think Moreno and Forte will be comparable to Grant. At all. I like Addai. But me personally, I would like a start of Calvin/Grant better than Calvin/Roddy. It just gives you more options later. Now you don't need to go RB at the 3/4 if you don't want to. But if you went WR/WR, you'd sort of have to. But that's just my opinion.
Forte had 1400 yards last year. He did not have the TDs, which as you say is hard to factor in. I think that number will be better this year under Martz and he can be had at the next turn.

It is for nonPPR, but I tend to play in PPR leagues. Grant does hold more value, but at 2.01?

I just think Grant is a reach at 2.01 since he is going at 3/4 turn. However, I am one to take chances. I would probably take Charles over Grant if I had to choose one.
I'm in a 14 team league so RB's tend to thin out a little quicker that's why Grant wouldn't be that much of a reach and why I'm leaning towards the WR-RB pick. But I did see that Grant/Charles thread and I didn't mean to turn this into another pro-Grant party. I understand the argument for Charles and that's not a bad call either because I do like him. I just don't understand the love of Mathews and Greene over Grant. That's all I wanted to point out......if one were to go the WR-RB route, Grant isn't a bad idea.
 
I've been trying different things out and I don't think I like the WR-WR route as much as I used to. You can still get a decent WR2 at the 3-4 turn and I've tried going WR-QB and WR-RB and I like the outcomes both times. The RB's are a lot of question marks there, so taking Grant might not be a bad idea. My rationale is that yes the RB pool is deep, but everyone is a question mark. Might as well take the sure thing with Grant and then take some guesses in the 3rd, 4th, 5th, etc. I like Greene and Mathews potential, but what sort of stats are people realistically hoping for? I would figure if I got 1400 and 12 out of them, I'd be psyched. But isn't that what Grant gives you? The TD's might be a little lower, but those are tough to predict anyways.
so, you are looking for a career year from Grant? Grant will get you 1200 11. R. Moss, R. Wayne, Fitz should get you that with a higher ceiling. Plus that is not including the PPR. I also like Forte/Addai/Moreno's floor much better than Ocho/Bowe/Walker.
Actually Grant had 1,450 last year with 11 TD's. And he's on one of the best offenses in football and he tore it up at the end of the year once his offensive line was at full power. I think Wayne's ceiling is actually the same as Grant's, probably lower. And I thought this was in a non-ppr. In ppr, then obviously WR-WR is probably the best bet. But you don't think that Boldin or both Steve Smiths (all of whom are often available at the 3/4 turn) will put up comparable stats to Roddy or Jennings? Moss will most likely not be there at the turn and I'm scared of Fitz. And I don't think Moreno and Forte will be comparable to Grant. At all. I like Addai. But me personally, I would like a start of Calvin/Grant better than Calvin/Roddy. It just gives you more options later. Now you don't need to go RB at the 3/4 if you don't want to. But if you went WR/WR, you'd sort of have to. But that's just my opinion.
Forte had 1400 yards last year. He did not have the TDs, which as you say is hard to factor in. I think that number will be better this year under Martz and he can be had at the next turn.

It is for nonPPR, but I tend to play in PPR leagues. Grant does hold more value, but at 2.01?

I just think Grant is a reach at 2.01 since he is going at 3/4 turn. However, I am one to take chances. I would probably take Charles over Grant if I had to choose one.
I'm in a 14 team league so RB's tend to thin out a little quicker that's why Grant wouldn't be that much of a reach and why I'm leaning towards the WR-RB pick. But I did see that Grant/Charles thread and I didn't mean to turn this into another pro-Grant party. I understand the argument for Charles and that's not a bad call either because I do like him. I just don't understand the love of Mathews and Greene over Grant. That's all I wanted to point out......if one were to go the WR-RB route, Grant isn't a bad idea.
14 team leagues nonPPR would make RB a premium especially if you can start 2. If LT wasn't there I would love Greene at this spot in front of that o-line. I think they made Thomas Jones FF relevant the last two seasons, not because he is so talented. Which is why I like Charles as I don't see Jones as a threat. LT is a great GL runner with something to prove.

 

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