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***Official RIP Dead Ballplayers Thread -- Yer Out! (1 Viewer)

The Man With No Name said:
Frank Quilici
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Quilici wouldn't have been a good hitter in any era but he had the added misfortune to play during the late 60s and be a 2B in an organization with Rod Carew.   He was a midseason callup for the Twins' 65 pennant winners and started every game of the World Series.

His top ten B-R comps include two Rabbits, a Skippy and a Putsy.

  1. Jose Arcia (970.3)
  2. John Patterson (969.8)
  3. Kermit Wahl (969.3)
  4. Putsy Caballero (966.6)
  5. Rabbit Robinson (965.7)
  6. Bobby Klaus (963.1)
  7. Skippy Roberge (962.2)
  8. Rabbit Nill (961.4)
  9. Glen Stewart (961.2)
  10. Tommy Matchick (959.7)
 
Eephus said:
Quilici wouldn't have been a good hitter in any era but he had the added misfortune to play during the late 60s and be a 2B in an organization with Rod Carew.   He was a midseason callup for the Twins' 65 pennant winners and started every game of the World Series.

His top ten B-R comps include two Rabbits, a Skippy and a Putsy.

  1. Jose Arcia (970.3)
  2. John Patterson (969.8)
  3. Kermit Wahl (969.3)
  4. Putsy Caballero (966.6)
  5. Rabbit Robinson (965.7)
  6. Bobby Klaus (963.1)
  7. Skippy Roberge (962.2)
  8. Rabbit Nill (961.4)
  9. Glen Stewart (961.2)
  10. Tommy Matchick (959.7)
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That list of names mostly sounds like what you would come up with if doing a parody on the history of baseball.

Honestly, 2 Rabbits?

 
Former Anaheim and Cleveland manager Dave Garcia died at age 97.

He never made the big leagues as a player.  He toiled for 15 seasons in the minors, mostly in the deep Giants system of the late 40s and 50s.  He lost his age 22-25 seasons to WWII and was older than most of his teammates for the rest of his career.

 
Eephus said:
Former Anaheim and Cleveland manager Dave Garcia died at age 97.

He never made the big leagues as a player.  He toiled for 15 seasons in the minors, mostly in the deep Giants system of the late 40s and 50s.  He lost his age 22-25 seasons to WWII and was older than most of his teammates for the rest of his career.
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Managed  3 Minor League Championship teams

 
Red Schoendienst has died at 95

Red

The St. Louis Cardinals organization, the St. Louis community and baseball fans everywhere where saddened this evening to learn of the passing of Hall of Famer Albert Fred "Red" Schoendienst at the age of 95. Schoendienst, who is survived by his four children; Colleen, Cathleen, Eileen and Kevin, eight living grandchildren (he had 10 total grandchildren) and seven great grandchildren; was the oldest living member of the National Baseball Hall of Fame.

"Red was one of the greatest Cardinals of all time, and a beloved member of the Cardinals organization for over six decades," said Cardinals' Principal Owner & Chief Executive Officer William O. DeWitt, Jr. "His influence on this organization cannot be overstated. Red was a great player, a great manager, and a wonderful mentor to countless players, coaches, and members of the front office. He was also a fan favorite who connected with millions of Cardinals fans across multiple generations. He will be sorely missed."

 
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Schoendienst's comps

  1.     Tony Fernandez (893.3)
  2.     **** Bartell (885.2)
  3.     Billy Herman (884.9) *
  4.     Nellie Fox (883.8) *
  5.     Jimmy Dykes (862.3)
  6.     Placido Polanco (856.7)
  7.     Edgar Renteria (849.3)
  8.     Willie Randolph (849.1)
  9.     Al Dark (839.7)
  10.     Michael Young (834.5)
Dark had a very slight edge in career WAR and like Red, has a championship and pennant on his managerial record.  Schoendienst and Dark were traded for one another in 1956.

 
Billy Connors: 1941-2018

https://www.mlb.com/news/billy-connors-former-pitching-coach-dies/c-282156366

NEW YORK -- Billy Connors, a longtime pitching coach and executive who pitched for the Cubs and Mets, died on Monday. He was 76.

The Yankees observed a moment of silence prior to Wednesday's game against the Mariners in memory of Connors, who served three stints as the club's pitching coach (1989-90, 1994-95 and 2000).

"The Yankees organization mourns the passing of Billy Connors, who was a close and trusted friend of my family for many years," Yankees managing general partner Hal Steinbrenner said in a statement.

"Since joining the Yankees at the conclusion of the 1988 season, Billy contributed to the organization in countless ways over his long career as a pitching coach, executive and advisor. On behalf of the Yankees and the Steinbrenner family, I extend our deepest condolences to Billy's family, friends and loved ones."

Based in the Tampa, Fla., area, Connors also served as the club's vice president of player personnel from 1996-2012, tasked to work with young pitchers -- frequently at the direction of late principal owner George M. Steinbrenner.

Born in Schenectady, N.Y., Connors was on the team that won the 1954 Little League World Series. He attended Syracuse University and made it to the Majors with the Cubs in 1966, pitching in 11 games.

Connors made 14 relief appearances and one start for the Mets over the 1967-68 seasons, finishing his big league career with an 0-2 record and 7.53 ERA.

After retiring, Connors became a Minor League pitching instructor for the Mets. He also worked for the Royals, Cubs, Mariners and Phillies, spending 17 years on big league coaching staffs.

During his time in the Yankees organization, Connors is credited with helping the careers of many notable pitchers, including Dwight Gooden, Orlando Hernandez, Andy Pettitte and Mariano Rivera.

"He is our true pitching guru," George M. Steinbrenner once said of Connors. "He always has been and always will be."
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Connors was the pitching coach for the 1984 Cubs. He was not much of a tactician, but rather was excellent at getting into the psyche of his players. Rick Sutcliffe, Lee Smith and Steve Trout were guys with talent but also had attitude problems. Connors seemed to innately know how to reach each guy on an individual level. When the Cubs traded Buckner for Eckersley it was thought that the Cubs and Boston were trading one broken down player for another. But Eckersley had a fine year for the Cubs.

Unfortunately, he was not one of Dallas Green's "guys", so he didn't last with the team. He deserves more credit for his work with the Cubs than he has received. 

 
Marty Pattin 1943-2018

70s starter turned reliever for the Brewers, Red Sox and Royals.  He was the best pitcher on the early Brewers teams that got me into baseball and was an AL All-Star in 1971.  He threw his last big league pitch in the 1980 WS.

B-R comps

  1.     Dave Goltz (963.2)
  2.     Ken Forsch (957.5)
  3.     Steve Gromek (951.3)
  4.     Bill Monbouquette (951.0)
  5.     Bill Hands (946.8)
  6.     Nelson Briles (944.0)
  7.     Bob Shaw (943.5)
  8.     Bud Black (942.4)
  9.     Pat Dobson (939.8)
  10.     Bruce Kison (938.1)
 
Wayne Krenchicki died last week at age 64.  He spaced around 1200 MLB PAs over parts of eight seasons, mostly with the Reds.

He could hit a bit but not enough to hold down 3B.  His glove wasn't good enough to handle a UT role or he could have had a more illustrious career.

 
Was McCovey underrated?  One of the earlier 500 hr guys back when it really meant something, but I feel like he never really got talked about much (at least for my lifetime) as compared to a lot of other guys on the list.

 
Long Ball Larry said:
Was McCovey underrated?  One of the earlier 500 hr guys back when it really meant something, but I feel like he never really got talked about much (at least for my lifetime) as compared to a lot of other guys on the list.
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McCovey played in the shadow of the greatest living ballplayer and his best years came during a period when runs were as scarce as anytime in baseball history.

The most famous single play in his career was a L4.

 
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Fred Caligiuri 1918-2018

Caliguiri had been the oldest living MLB player and the last player who appeared in a game prior to Pearl Harbor.   He lost his prime years to WWII and retired after pitching in the minors in 1946.

With Caliguiri's death, former (obviously) White Sox/Cleveland catcher Tom Jordan is now the oldest living MLB player.

 
Don Quixote said:
Mel Stottlemyre passed away.
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Stottlemyre was a horse.  From age 23 to 31, he made at least 35 starts and pitched more than 250 innings.  Rather predictably, his career was over at age 32.

He and son Todd combined for over 300 wins.  I checked against the other famous father/son pitching combos I knew of (Trouts, Bagbys) and it's the highest total by almost 50.

Mel's B-R comps include no recent players in large part because of his low strikeout rate (4.3 SO/9 over his career).

  1. Bill Doak (938.1)
  2. Steve Rogers (927.8)
  3. Burt Hooton (926.6)
  4. Earl Moore (923.9)
  5. Claude Passeau (922.8)
  6. Hippo Vaughn (922.1)
  7. Rick Rhoden (919.6)
  8. Hal Schumacher (918.3)
  9. Jim Lonborg (914.5)
  10. Guy Hecker (912.7)
 
Eephus said:
Stottlemyre was a horse.  From age 23 to 31, he made at least 35 starts and pitched more than 250 innings.  Rather predictably, his career was over at age 32.
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He had double digit complete games in seven of his eleven seasons, with twenty-four coming in 1969.

On a personal level, I read that he had an unusual ability to calm down King George when he was on one of his rampages.

 
Bob Friend - 1930-2019

Pitched a ton of innings for the Pirates in the 50s and 60s.  He had some great years with some poor Pittsburgh teams at the beginning of his career but he continued as a reliable starter well into his 30s.  He ended up with almost 200 wins (197-230) over 3600+ IP.   A 107 ERA+ is more indicative of his quality than his wins and losses.   He threw more complete games in 1956 than the entire NL did last season.

Friend's comps

  1. Claude Osteen (909.0)
  2. Larry Jackson (899.6)
  3. Curt Simmons (895.2)
  4. Paul Derringer (892.3)
  5. Rick Reuschel (888.2)
  6. Rick Wise (887.4)
  7. Doyle Alexander (884.8)
  8. Joe Niekro (873.0)
  9. Jerry Reuss (869.1)
  10. Adonis Terry (868.9)
 
whoknew said:
RIP Frank Robinson. A legend.
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As talented and hard-nosed as they come. The only player EVER to win MVPs in both leagues. A Triple Crown winner. A true five-tool player who could beat you with his bat, with his legs and with his glove.

 
Robinson's B-R comps list is star-studded as you'd expect

  1. Ken Griffey Jr. (900.7) *
  2. Mel Ott (887.9) *
  3. Rafael Palmeiro (887.6)
  4. Albert Pujols (849.2)
  5. Reggie Jackson (837.6) *
  6. Gary Sheffield (836.7)
  7. Willie Mays (829.5) *
  8. Dave Winfield (827.1) *
  9. Manny Ramirez (807.8)
  10. Al Kaline (798.7) *
My other takeaway from his page is how aggressive the Reds were with promoting him.  Robinson played in the minors for three seasons before being made a big league regular at age 20.  His final year was in A ball Columbia in the Sally League where he only hit .263.  Columbia SC  in 1955 must have been a tough place for a 19 year old kid from Oakland.

 
Scott Sanderson 1956-2019

Scott Sanderson, a 1974 Glenbrook North graduate who helped the Cubs win two division championships and spent a season with the White Sox during a 19-year career, died Thursday. He was 62.  An official at Conway Farms Golf Club, where Sanderson was a longtime member, confirmed the death. A cause of death was not immediately known.

Sanderson compiled a 163-143 record with a 3.84 ERA and 1.26 WHIP in 472 appearances (407 starts) with seven teams from 1978-96. The 6-foot-5, 195-pound right-hander was a third-round draft pick by the Expos out of Vanderbilt in 1977, was promoted to the majors at age 21 after only 28 minor-league appearances and spent the first six seasons of his career in Montreal. The Cubs acquired him in a three-team trade in December 1983, and he spent the next six seasons with the North Siders.

Sanderson went 8-5 with a 3.14 ERA in 24 starts in 1984, helping the Cubs win the National League East Division to break a 38-year playoff drought. In 1989, he went 11-9 in 37 appearances (23 starts) as the Cubs won their second East title in six years.

Subsequent stops included the Athletics (1990), Yankees (1991-92), Angels (1993), Giants (1993), White Sox (1994) and Angels again (1995-96).

https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-spt-cubs-scott-sanderson-obituary-20190411-story.html
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I remember him as a reliable innings eater.   I didn't know that he worked as an agent after his playing days, representing players such as Josh Beckett, Josh Hamilton and Todd Helton.

Odd that his number one B-R comp is a former teammate.

  1. Bill Gullickson (962.1)
  2. Doug Drabek (956.6)
  3. Vern Law (950.1)
  4. Jim Lonborg (949.9)
  5. Paul Splittorff (938.9)
  6. John Burkett (934.6)
  7. Bronson Arroyo (933.5)
  8. Mike Flanagan (931.4)
  9. Dan Haren (929.5)
  10. Kyle Lohse (927.2)
 
Eephus said:
Scott Sanderson 1956-2019

I remember him as a reliable innings eater. 
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Solid pitcher, and from everything being said, was an even better person off the field. Tim Wallach and Larry Parrish were very close to Sanderson.

It was mention about the last game of the Giants 1993 season when Dusty Baker chose to pitch Salomon Torres instead of Sanderson, and Torres got torched, and then the bullpen imploded. The Giants lost 12-1.  

 
This thread could use a little life.

Happy 88th birthday to the Say Hey Kid, Willie Mays. Greatest player I ever saw, and don’t @ me bro. Admittedly this post would have been a lot cooler if I’d thrown it up two days ago.

The other day I learned Tommy Lasorda (92ish?) is the oldest living HoFer. Anybody know how many are between the two?

FTR I love Italian-Americans, don’t have either in a pool, and not wishing for anyone’s demise.

 
NREC34 said:
RIP Bill Buckner
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Over 2700 career hits in a HoVG career.   He was kind of a throwback to an earlier time with only a 4.5% strikeout rate over his 22 year career.  He didn't walk much either.

The image of old slow 1986 Buckner is so cemented in our collective memories that it's easy to forget that he twice finished in the top ten in steals.  He ended his career with more SB (183) than HR (174).

Pretty low similarity scores for his B-R comps.

  1. Mickey Vernon (876.6)
  2. Al Oliver (866.7)
  3. Steve Garvey (855.5)
  4. Mark Grace (853.7)
  5. Willie Davis (850.0)
  6. B.J. Surhoff (839.0)
  7. Buddy Bell (838.7)
  8. Vada Pinson (833.1)
  9. Jose Cruz (828.5)
  10. Julio Franco (826.3)
 
“Committed fatal error” is the tagline to accompany Buckner’s name on the ESPN ticker as it scrolls today, pretty damn unfair for the player he was. RIP

 
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