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***OFFICIAL*** Sons of Anarchy Thread

Good season opener, IMO.
I thought it was awful. Very little about the clay and Tara stories moved forward. The porn thing was predictable and crammed in. The new donut shop king seems harmless. The federal agent is a caricature (it's personal! He does heroin!). The multiple rape scenes seemed to exist or shock value only. And the nameless kid shooting up a school has no point except to be a season long reason for jax to get out of the gun business. Meh.
So go back to watching American Idol or Dancing With Stars.
Yeah, I liked it.

I think it was worth holding off a bit on Tara/Clay to introduce Joannie and Chrisopher Henderson. Both great actors and should be a welcome addition. I thought it moved Tara and Clay along just fine.

SOA earns that male soap tag and it's got way too many issues to ever really be an all-time great, but it's a good show and almost always interesting. They can't all be Breaking Bad. So, Sutter likes to go visceral for the sake of going visceral. Who cares. It's still usually very entertaining.

Tonight was entertaining and introduced some good new characters. Works for me.

 
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Good season opener, IMO.
I thought it was awful. Very little about the clay and Tara stories moved forward. The porn thing was predictable and crammed in. The new donut shop king seems harmless. The federal agent is a caricature (it's personal! He does heroin!). The multiple rape scenes seemed to exist or shock value only. And the nameless kid shooting up a school has no point except to be a season long reason for jax to get out of the gun business. Meh.
So go back to watching American Idol or Dancing With Stars.
Outside of sports I watch mad men, breaking bad, justified, and this. So im disappointed that one or the four shows I watch all year isn't off to a good start in my opinion.

I watched tonight. I didn't care for it. This is the thread for people to comment on a show they watched (which i did). :shrug:
Oh, I see.

You need to mix Dexter into (or back into?) the rotation. It always helps keep things in perspective.

 
Good season opener, IMO.
I thought it was awful. Very little about the clay and Tara stories moved forward. The porn thing was predictable and crammed in. The new donut shop king seems harmless. The federal agent is a caricature (it's personal! He does heroin!). The multiple rape scenes seemed to exist or shock value only. And the nameless kid shooting up a school has no point except to be a season long reason for jax to get out of the gun business. Meh.
So go back to watching American Idol or Dancing With Stars.
Outside of sports I watch mad men, breaking bad, justified, and this. So im disappointed that one or the four shows I watch all year isn't off to a good start in my opinion.

I watched tonight. I didn't care for it. This is the thread for people to comment on a show they watched (which i did). :shrug:
Oh, I see.

You need to mix Dexter into (or back into?) the rotation. It always helps keep things in perspective.
Yeah, you have to work on the show selection in my opinion. You can throw Mad Men out the window, and mayb e mix a little Lizard Lick Towing in to see how that balances out.

But back to the original thoughts in the post, i didn't think it was terrible, because you had to assume it would be coming into it. Totally committed to it when the big bad MC is sitting around and the huge dilemna they are brought to deal with is one of their women was raped and tortured by some of them Arabs. I always love these tough decisions with what they need to make right . Season 1 had the child molestor, we had the dog fight last year, and i know there has to be 30 more i am not thinking about. The white supremacist had to be involved with 10-15 of them.

I'm sure this show will bounce back just fine. The formula is very simple for it.

 
A school shooting in a guilty pleasure show like this is just poor taste. Especially following prison rape and a guy drowned in a tub of urine.

 
rascal said:
So what is up with the Tara attacking the girl just before her parole?
That girl stole her blanket earlier in the episode. Guess that was Tara's way of embracing her surroundings. Maybe she bought into that guy telling her she'll be getting at least 5 - 7.

 
Daywalker said:
A school shooting in a guilty pleasure show like this is just poor taste. Especially following prison rape and a guy drowned in a tub of urine.
I agree 100%. I'm sure they will get into the angle on this new story, but I'd have preferred they didnt go there.

 
Daywalker said:
A school shooting in a guilty pleasure show like this is just poor taste. Especially following prison rape and a guy drowned in a tub of urine.
I agree 100%. I'm sure they will get into the angle on this new story, but I'd have preferred they didnt go there.
This was my feeling. When a kid we have never seen before pulled out the gun I thought, "really?" If he was coming out of a house that Primo was going in to then I imagine the gun will be traced back to Neo (the "previously on SoA" montage showed him and his crew with a big bag of guns) and perhaps the conflict for the season will be Neo turning on Jax to get out of a gun prosecution or something like that. But having a kid shoot up a school seemed a bit over the top.

 
Abraham said:
johnnycakes said:
Good season opener, IMO.
I thought it was awful. Very little about the clay and Tara stories moved forward. The porn thing was predictable and crammed in. The new donut shop king seems harmless. The federal agent is a caricature (it's personal! He does heroin!). The multiple rape scenes seemed to exist or shock value only. And the nameless kid shooting up a school has no point except to be a season long reason for jax to get out of the gun business. Meh.
Pretty much spot on.

 
I thought that was Samaire Armstrong as the kid's mother. I looked to see if she was credited and she wasn't (probably because she had no lines) so I didn't bring it up. :wub: Samaire Armstrong.

 
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Daywalker said:
A school shooting in a guilty pleasure show like this is just poor taste. Especially following prison rape and a guy drowned in a tub of urine.
I agree 100%. I'm sure they will get into the angle on this new story, but I'd have preferred they didnt go there.
Plus we had to see Charlie Humman's butt again! :angry:

 
I thought that was Samaire Armstrong as the kid's mother. I looked to see if she was credited and she wasn't (probably because she had no lines) so I didn't bring it up. :wub: Samaire Armstrong.
she was in the opening credits.

I was looking for her all episode long myself....was glad to see her :thumbup:

 
I thought that was Samaire Armstrong as the kid's mother. I looked to see if she was credited and she wasn't (probably because she had no lines) so I didn't bring it up. :wub: Samaire Armstrong.
she was in the opening credits.

I was looking for her all episode long myself....was glad to see her :thumbup:
I didn't even notice...I just went to google to see if I could find anything and couldn't. Hopefully she's in it a lot this season. :hifive:

 
I thought that was Samaire Armstrong as the kid's mother. I looked to see if she was credited and she wasn't (probably because she had no lines) so I didn't bring it up. :wub: Samaire Armstrong.
she was in the opening credits.

I was looking for her all episode long myself....was glad to see her :thumbup:
I didn't even notice...I just went to google to see if I could find anything and couldn't. Hopefully she's in it a lot this season. :hifive:
My wife and I watched every episode of The OC. It was no less dumb than SOA now.

She was hot. Autumn Reeser and Rachel Bilson too.

 
I thought that was Samaire Armstrong as the kid's mother. I looked to see if she was credited and she wasn't (probably because she had no lines) so I didn't bring it up. :wub: Samaire Armstrong.
she was in the opening credits.

I was looking for her all episode long myself....was glad to see her :thumbup:
I didn't even notice...I just went to google to see if I could find anything and couldn't. Hopefully she's in it a lot this season. :hifive:
My wife and I watched every episode of The OC. It was no less dumb than SOA now.

She was hot. Autumn Reeser and Rachel Bilson too.
I spent about a half hour at work trying to explain how awesome The OC was to my coworkers just last week. All the guys said they never watched it, but they're full of ####. Everyone roughly my age (16-20 when the show aired) watched that show. Embrace the greatness of The OC, fellas.

 
Daywalker said:
A school shooting in a guilty pleasure show like this is just poor taste. Especially following prison rape and a guy drowned in a tub of urine.
Yeah, but other than that the script was fairly reserved.

 
I thought that was Samaire Armstrong as the kid's mother. I looked to see if she was credited and she wasn't (probably because she had no lines) so I didn't bring it up. :wub: Samaire Armstrong.
she was in the opening credits.

I was looking for her all episode long myself....was glad to see her :thumbup:
I didn't even notice...I just went to google to see if I could find anything and couldn't. Hopefully she's in it a lot this season. :hifive:
My wife and I watched every episode of The OC. It was no less dumb than SOA now.

She was hot. Autumn Reeser and Rachel Bilson too.
I spent about a half hour at work trying to explain how awesome The OC was to my coworkers just last week. All the guys said they never watched it, but they're full of ####. Everyone roughly my age (16-20 when the show aired) watched that show. Embrace the greatness of The OC, fellas.
Summer :heart: Seth.

 
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Half the show's over, opening credits roll

Otto's blubbering in jail, with a giant ###hole

Tig piss-drowns a "Persian", drops him in the drink

Tara Is The New Black, fighting in the clink

*guitar*

Jax gave it a good week, before smashing some pink

 
From EW magazine:

ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: At the end of the episode, a young boy used a gun in a school shooting . It’s one of the weapons Jax had the club give Nero’s crew last season. You’ve wanted to do this story for years. Why, and why now?

KURT SUTTER: As much as I don’t want to do something because it is sensational, I also don’t want to not do something because it might be perceived as sensational. My desire to do this story just felt very organic to the world: These guys deal guns, and there’s a certain amount of disconnect once you put those guns out on the street not really knowing whose hands they’re gonna end up in and what violence that they create. You sorta sell and move on, not unlike a drug dealer who doesn’t really know the emotional impact of their product. And to have a father [Charlie Hunnam's Jax] who’s struggling with boys of his own and questioning the violence of his life, and is this right for his kids — it just seemed like a very organic story to tell. And I waited because I knew that ultimately the emotional and social impact would be great, that it would be hard to have that story happen and then move on to a couple seasons where these guys are selling guns and just livin’ their life. I knew if we did it, it would really have to be at the end and, ultimately, I realized it was a good way to take us to the end. [Ed. note: Sutter expects the series to run seven seasons.] It’s not being done arbitrarily. It ultimately becomes the final straw in their relationship with the gun business and the domino that takes us to a fairly tragic and epic conclusion. It impacts all their relationships: It impacts their relationship with the IRA, their relationship with local law enforcement, their relationship with other charters, and, more importantly, it really impacts their relationship with Charming, their hometown. Maybe they’ve lost their favorite sons status over the last four or five years, but they’ve never really been seen as a danger or as a pariah, and that really changes this season as a result of that.

EW: Tell me about the decision to make this young boy, the 11-year-old son of Nero’s cousin’s old lady, the shooter.

SUTTER: Here’s what I dig about we tend to do on this show: We have a lot of what I like to call epic absurdity on this show. It’s really big and runs right up to that line of being fantastic. But then we tether it into some sense of reality and we always connect it. So what was almost like a throwaway line in terms of story in season 5 with Jax saying, “Look, let me just give your guys a few guns, it makes everybody happy” — that innocent move that no one thinks is going to be bad — is that little thread that comes back to bite them in the ###. Sometimes it’s not the huge moves or machinations, it’s just the simple moves that get us into trouble. Jax probably was not thinking through the consequences of what might happen with that. As far as the kid — that was a bit of a risk. We don’t do flashbacks on this show, but there was a part of me that said, maybe we can play with the audience a little bit: Do they think it’s some sort of young Jax, or at least thematically, are we trying to say something? I think the interesting thing is people who see that on my show start to think, oh my god, what awful thing is gonna happen to this kid? You just assume because he’s an innocent that he will ultimately be the victim of something, and then to flip it and have him be the perpetrator of the violence as a result of that perfect storm — it’s hopefully what will feel organic but also surprising to people.

We don’t do political stories on this show. This isn’t about me making a political or social statement about gun violence and blah, blah, blah. So it was a difficult balance for me, because I didn’t want the story line to become about that. And yet, I had to acknowledge some of it because if I didn’t, it would feel irresponsible. So I tried to, as the season progresses, layer in enough of my point of view so there is some sense of responsibility in terms of the controversy but it doesn’t become a narrative arc about gun violence. It ultimately stays about the impact it has emotionally on our characters. My point of view — and I still believe this — is that one party is not responsible for those things. Meaning, in my opinion, it is the gun laws, it is the level of illegal guns that people can buy on the street, it is the issues we have with mental health, it is our education system, it is the responsibility and burden on the family. What we weave in organically, I think, is the sense that there are a myriad of circumstances that create this perfect storm, and ultimately, law enforcement needs to hang the responsibility on somebody. So it’s the CCH Pounder character [District Attorney Tyne Patterson] that we introduce in episode 2. She is looking for the face of the devil to hang this crime on. But again, what I hope gets conveyed is the idea that there is not necessarily one party responsible for what happened with this kid.

 
Again, I really liked the season opener. I'm not going to take it apart looking to pick on details. I want the action with some semblance of a timeline. If I want art, I'll go to a friggin' museum.

 
Deadwood never dies, thanks to Sutter

Show now has Janie Stubbs, on top of Jane and Utter

Persians hurt women, they think they're cool

Otto gives up the back door, probably affects his stool

*guitar*

We've run out of ideas, so let's shoot up a school.

 
Half the show's over, opening credits roll

Otto's blubbering in jail, with a giant ###hole

Tig piss-drowns a "Persian", drops him in the drink

Tara Is The New Black, fighting in the clink

*guitar*

Jax gave it a good week, before smashing some pink
Deadwood never dies, thanks to Sutter

Show now has Janie Stubbs, on top of Jane and Utter

Persians hurt women, they think they're cool

Otto gives up the back door, probably affects his stool

*guitar*

We've run out of ideas, so let's shoot up a school.
:lmao:

 
Oh and it's pretty much laughable that Jax and Nero wouldn't know about the whorehouse/madam in Stockton. Nero is a pimp and SAMCRO seems to have connections just about everywhere. For them to be totally ignorant of something like that in a town of less than 300,000 is just silly.

 
Oh and it's pretty much laughable that Jax and Nero wouldn't know about the whorehouse/madam in Stockton. Nero is a pimp and SAMCRO seems to have connections just about everywhere. For them to be totally ignorant of something like that in a town of less than 300,000 is just silly.
You were right on this one. Just hearing the storylines makes me cringe.

 
Sutter must watch BB and just consider himself an utter failure.
I don't think he knows the difference.
See, now THAT is depressing.
A couple of years ago I watched a video of a panel discussion with the cast and Sutter. It might have been at ComiCon or something. I got the impression that he really thinks he's making a high-caliber show.
He doesn't seem to take any sort of criticism well. And he's pissed that he never gets nominated for Emmys.

They did win best original theme song in 2009. :shrug:

 
Sutter must watch BB and just consider himself an utter failure.
I don't think he knows the difference.
See, now THAT is depressing.
A couple of years ago I watched a video of a panel discussion with the cast and Sutter. It might have been at ComiCon or something. I got the impression that he really thinks he's making a high-caliber show.
He doesn't seem to take any sort of criticism well. And he's pissed that he never gets nominated for Emmys.

They did win best original theme song in 2009. :shrug:
You guys have written better lyrics in this thread.

 
Sutter must watch BB and just consider himself an utter failure.
I don't think he knows the difference.
See, now THAT is depressing.
A couple of years ago I watched a video of a panel discussion with the cast and Sutter. It might have been at ComiCon or something. I got the impression that he really thinks he's making a high-caliber show.
He doesn't seem to take any sort of criticism well. And he's pissed that he never gets nominated for Emmys.

They did win best original theme song in 2009. :shrug:
You guys have written better lyrics in this thread.
Damn skippy. :thumbup:

 
Sutter must watch BB and just consider himself an utter failure.
I don't think he knows the difference.
See, now THAT is depressing.
A couple of years ago I watched a video of a panel discussion with the cast and Sutter. It might have been at ComiCon or something. I got the impression that he really thinks he's making a high-caliber show.
Hey Guy, whaddaya mean, "thinks???" :rant:

 
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