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***OFFICIAL*** Washington Nationals ongoing thread (1 Viewer)

Impressed that the reaction from most national reporters today has been that MLB should come down harder on Strickland than Bryce.  I'm still guessing Bryce gets about 7 though.

 
Harper 4 games.  Strickland 6, or about 3 innings.  Posey going to get one tomorrow (Gio doesn't have the sack to do it so not happening tonight)?

 
Really really like this year's team. Mostly because I know the October bullpen will look nothing like the current bullpen. It'll probably be something like:

CL: trade deadline pickup

Setup: Glover

Lefties: Pick two of Romero, Solis and Perez

Long man: Ross

Secret weapon:  Fedde

Albers and Kelley as needed.

Nothing wrong with that, I figure. Sure, it's not the 2015 Royals. But then neither were the 2016 Cubs or the 2014 Giants.

 
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The Pick: LHP Seth Romero, Houston (dismissed).  There's big upside here with great risk. Romero's as talented as they come, a lefty who can sit low-to-mid 90s with his fastball and has an above-average slider. In 48 ⅔ innings for Houston this spring, he struck out 85 hitters. He walked 20, though, with a 3.51 ERA. He has also been suspended multiple times, including for a failed drug test, before being kicked off the team reportedly for a fight with a teammate. His weight has also fluctuated at times, rising to close to 250 at one point, reports indicate.
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Swing 51 said:
Oh and, #### you bullpen!!
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I'm not sure what the holdup is with Fedde, but it needs to end. I would not be remotely surprised if he's in DC in a few hours and pitching in high leverage situation immediately.  Maybe not closing, I still think that's gonna be by committee, but definitely in a setup type role, maybe spanning multiple innings.

 
They just called up Trevor Gott yesterday for Difo.  Not sure how he was doing in the minors but doubt he's an answer other than an innings guy when everyone else needs rest.

They need a healthy Glover, a healthy Solis, and Fedde.  Shawn Kelley needs a trip to the DL.  Treinan and Gott need a trip back to the minors.  Blanton should be gone if he's not pitching well after the latest DL trip.  Okay with Turner being the long guy for now but don't want him pitching in a playoff game this October.

What are we going to trade for Kelvim Herrera?  Almost seems inevitable.

 
Seth Romero seems a headcase, but I have to guess that the Nats see potential to be in the bullpen by October (like Finnegan for the Royals a few years ago). His expulsion may work in his favor as he won't be bumping against an innings limit.

I'd like to see Fedde up soon too.  Herrera would be a good fit.  Maybe Neshek?  A bit nervous about giving up too much after the Rivero for Melancon trade last year (but that is mostly hindsight, as I wouldn't have regrets if Melancon helped the Nats to the WS).

ETA: I'm not sure if anybody else saw the Post article the other day about Rivero -- one of the first things that the Pirates did was tell him that he's been tipping pitches and they straightened that out.  Nice.

 
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If I didn't trust Rizzo so much, I'd wonder if he was shticking up the draft on purpose. So far, we've got Trey Turner, Kirk Cousin's cousin, and Dusty Baker's son.

 
I know it seems like a bit much, but I thought that was a huge four game series in NY this weekend. Mets could have closed the division lead to 4.5 with a sweep or 6.5 with a series win, not exactly panic time but close enough that the Nats would have to actually sweat it and scoreboard watch this summer. Now they can go back to cruise control, take their time on rehab assignments and pulling the trigger on bullpen trades, maybe even go to a six man rotation some time down the line if things stay the way they are. Bullpen wasn't horrible either, with Romero in particular looking decent. Good for my sanity, too.

 
There seemed to be a lot of empty seats for tonight's game. Not even thirty thousand for a first-place club taking on the world champions in their only regular season visit. 

 
Encyclopedia Brown said:
There seemed to be a lot of empty seats for tonight's game. Not even thirty thousand for a first-place club taking on the world champions in their only regular season visit. 
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Yeah I was at that game, it was weird. Perfect weather too. And it's not like the Nats are struggling attendance-wise generally.  But it was a Monday after a weekend home stand with near-sellouts for all three games- I've noticed DC baseball fans don't double up much.  They also hate weekday evening games, which is normal but it's really pronounced here. The weekday afternoon games do better than the evening games.

In more amusing news, Trea Turner broke Miguel Montero. I don't think I've ever seen someone be driven to the point of career suicide like that before.

 
Encyclopedia Brown said:
There seemed to be a lot of empty seats for tonight's game. Not even thirty thousand for a first-place club taking on the world champions in their only regular season visit. 
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The Post did some digging on this because it was so weird, and would you believe the explanation is obnoxiously wealthy people trying to squeeze an extra few bucks out of regular folks?  Strange but true! 

Apparently the Nats are charging Opening Day prices for this series, which obviously prices out Nats fans who can catch a weekday evening game any time they want/milks the Cubs fans in the region who only get four chances to see their World Series heroes.

 
On the bright side, it is at least sounding like he will be back for the playoffs. Ten weeks would put him back in September. So, better to have the injury now than in a few weeks. And the Nats have a big enough division lead that they can hopefully hold onto in his absence.

(Or, at least, this is what I'm telling myself to ease the pain.)

 
Don Quixote said:
On the bright side, it is at least sounding like he will be back for the playoffs. Ten weeks would put him back in September. So, better to have the injury now than in a few weeks. And the Nats have a big enough division lead that they can hopefully hold onto in his absence.

(Or, at least, this is what I'm telling myself to ease the pain.)
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Wait, Blake Treinen is hurt too?

 
Don Quixote said:
On the bright side, it is at least sounding like he will be back for the playoffs. Ten weeks would put him back in September. So, better to have the injury now than in a few weeks. And the Nats have a big enough division lead that they can hopefully hold onto in his absence.

(Or, at least, this is what I'm telling myself to ease the pain.)
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Where'd you see ten weeks?

I'm optimistic that they'll survive without too much harm.  Goodwin has a surprisingly high walk rate, so he'll be passable in the leadoff spot if they put him there, at least until Werth returns. Maybe it'll even force Dusty's hand to move Rendon up to the 2 spot, which he should have done a month ago. And maybe they'll get lucky and Difo will follow the Goodwin/Taylor path of highly touted prospect -> disappointment -> 2017 breakout.  Definitely gonna make the regular season a little more stressful, though.

 
TobiasFunke said:
Where'd you see ten weeks?

I'm optimistic that they'll survive without too much harm.  Goodwin has a surprisingly high walk rate, so he'll be passable in the leadoff spot if they put him there, at least until Werth returns. Maybe it'll even force Dusty's hand to move Rendon up to the 2 spot, which he should have done a month ago. And maybe they'll get lucky and Difo will follow the Goodwin/Taylor path of highly touted prospect -> disappointment -> 2017 breakout.  Definitely gonna make the regular season a little more stressful, though.
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Ten weeks was a rough estimate that I saw based on the Freddie Freeman timeline since he had a similar injury, but not specific to Turner. So, it could be a little bit more or less (hopefully not much more).

 
Don Quixote said:
Ten weeks was a rough estimate that I saw based on the Freddie Freeman timeline since he had a similar injury, but not specific to Turner. So, it could be a little bit more or less (hopefully not much more).
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Yeah, I saw 8 weeks with Freeman. That would be fine IMO.  Ten weeks would make me a little nervous, because you'd want him to see major league pitching for at least a couple weeks before the playoffs (assuming we make it).

 
Any Nationals homers have the scoop on Erick Fedde? Theo Epstein has supposedly given the Cubs until the trade deadline to step up. If they are still muddling through (they have hit the .500 mark nineteen times this year), then he will pack it in and try to get younger and focus on 2018.

Wade Davis for Fedde is on Theo's radar. I looked him up, and see he was Washington's first-round pick in 2014. He is not exactly lighting things up in the minors, but has as they say, potential--just as Jake Arrieta and Kyle Hendricks, once did. 

 
Encyclopedia Brown said:
Any Nationals homers have the scoop on Erick Fedde? Theo Epstein has supposedly given the Cubs until the trade deadline to step up. If they are still muddling through (they have hit the .500 mark nineteen times this year), then he will pack it in and try to get younger and focus on 2018.

Wade Davis for Fedde is on Theo's radar. I looked him up, and see he was Washington's first-round pick in 2014. He is not exactly lighting things up in the minors, but has as they say, potential--just as Jake Arrieta and Kyle Hendricks, once did. 
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Fedde is their top starting pitching prospect and their rotation is going to thin out starting next season- Gio's deal will be up, Roark will turn 31 soon and is having an awful season, hell even Scherzer will turn 33 this month although he may not be a human. And they don't really have many prospects that will be ready in the next year or two beyond him. So it's hard to imagine them parting with him for a three month rental. They could just use Fedde in relief this season and get the best of both worlds- in fact that's what they'd been doing until this week, his crappy minor league numbers are a product of his first game back as a starter.

OTOH the pressure on Rizzo to fix the pen is immense. The team's first ever window as contenders in DC may be closing after 2018 and they can't let it run out without at least winning a playoff series. And it doesn't help that the Dodgers and Dbacks also will probably need to make bullpen moves.  If he doesn't get at least one quality reliever, maybe two, the fans and maybe the clubhouse will riot. If ever there was a time to milk him it's this month, with an elite reliever.

 
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Saw an article sometime in the last week where Rizzo basically has $300K to acquire a player.  Not sure how accurate that is though.

Injuries continue to haunt this team.  Both Eaton/Taylor out now, Werth and Turner along with Glover and they just got Solis back. I'm not even counting Kelley as he can stay on the DL as far as I'm concerned.

 
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If Joe Ross isn't done for the season put him in the bullpen?  Let AJ Cole start and hope Roark gets right?
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Ross had a string of 4-5 good starts in a row, and seemed to have his early season woes behind him. If it's not long term, he's definitely worth keeping in the rotation.

 
LOL this article claims the Nats are in the market for a Catcher and SS.  I'm pretty sure we aren't trading for a catcher and they will be more than happy letting Drew/Difo handle SS until Turner returns.  If anything we could use an OF with Eaton, Werth and Taylor all injured though I suspect we wait out the Werth/Taylor injuries.  Any trades will involve acquiring pitching.

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/241886250/trade-deadlines-buyers-for-every-position/

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
LOL this article claims the Nats are in the market for a Catcher and SS.  I'm pretty sure we aren't trading for a catcher and they will be more than happy letting Drew/Difo handle SS until Turner returns.  If anything we could use an OF with Eaton, Werth and Taylor all injured though I suspect we wait out the Werth/Taylor injuries.  Any trades will involve acquiring pitching.

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/241886250/trade-deadlines-buyers-for-every-position/
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Yeah that's dumb.  I could see them maybe trading for a catcher but I doubt it.  Turner should be back by end of August and like you said, Difo and Drew are capable replacements. 

I just want to see relievers, relievers, and more relievers.  :goodposting:

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
If Joe Ross isn't done for the season put him in the bullpen?  Let AJ Cole start and hope Roark gets right?
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I'm a Roark critic, never really understood how he's done what he's done.  That said he's better than he's been this year, I think he bounces back strong in the 2nd half. 

Nats have Ross, Fredde, and Cole.  Starting pitching is still the organizational strength, even after trading Lopez and Giolito. 
 

They can't trade Soto, Robles, or Fredde.  Besides that, have at it.  This team is in win now mode. 

 
I have to hope that TV rights ruling means the Lerner's pocketbook is going to open up a bit more. Although it is not as easy to trade for someone as it would have been to just sign Holland last offseason.

 
Don Quixote said:
I have to hope that TV rights ruling means the Lerner's pocketbook is going to open up a bit more. Although it is not as easy to trade for someone as it would have been to just sign Holland last offseason.
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I'm too lazy to read up myself- my understanding from twitter is that they upheld vacating the previous arbitration decision but reversed the ruling that the MLB arbitrator couldn't do the arbitration. Meaning that the same people who came up with the Nats-friendly valuation would be in charge of the determination for both past and future ... but they have to redo their valuations with respect to past seasons.  Do I have that right?

 
TobiasFunke said:
I'm too lazy to read up myself- my understanding from twitter is that they upheld vacating the previous arbitration decision but reversed the ruling that the MLB arbitrator couldn't do the arbitration. Meaning that the same people who came up with the Nats-friendly valuation would be in charge of the determination for both past and future ... but they have to redo their valuations with respect to past seasons.  Do I have that right?
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Yeah, that's right from what I've read.  The court decided that the MLB revenue sharing committee (which made the initial higher determination) is in charge of determining the value, but they did not reinstate the initial determination.

 
Jesus the Nats call up Trevor Gott and Austin Adams (for Solis and Joe Ross).  Tonight with a 10-0 lead they allow 7 runs on 8 batters faced and neither recorded an out.  LOL.

Edwin Jackson may be starting on Tuesday.  

Is Koda Glover coming back?  

 
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