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***OFFICIAL*** Washington Nationals ongoing thread (1 Viewer)

They need to get Corbin, Keuchal or another middle of rotation lefty. Barraclough is a good addition, they need at least two more relievers. 

Try to ink Rendon longterm, he’s the jelly that shakes the lineup and a safe player to be above average at worst, for five to seven years. 

Consider a vet infielder, probably at 2B. Bring in a 1B platoon, they are a dime a dozen. 

They have a bunch of MIF prospects coming up in the next two to three years, but they do lack organizational pitching debt. 
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I haven't been this focused on a free agent target for the Nats since Werth in 2010/11.

And you're right about the pitching depth, it's a huge problem. My guess is that the long-term plan was to restock it with a rebuild starting around now, but Soto and Robles have changed that plan.

 
They need to get Corbin, Keuchal or another middle of rotation lefty. Barraclough is a good addition, they need at least two more relievers. 

Try to ink Rendon longterm, he’s the jelly that shakes the lineup and a safe player to be above average at worst, for five to seven years. 

Consider a vet infielder, probably at 2B. Bring in a 1B platoon, they are a dime a dozen. 

They have a bunch of MIF prospects coming up in the next two to three years, but they do lack organizational pitching debt. 
That's about what I'm thinking too.  I'm not too excited about the middle infielders available in FA, but they really just need a placeholder until Carter Kieboom is ready (which might be September 2019).

Starting pitching is definitely the big thing.  A lot of swings and misses on draft picks there the past few years.  Hopefully they spend that money coming off the books there.  

 
Gio Gonzalez starting Game 1 of the NLCS is not something that I foresaw when he was traded. I remember being happy that the Nats were able to get anything for him.

 
Gio Gonzalez starting Game 1 of the NLCS is not something that I foresaw when he was traded. I remember being happy that the Nats were able to get anything for him.
Watching the way this played out, with Gio going through the order one time and then the Brewers switching to a long-relief RHP to force the platoon-happy Dodgers to either leave Bellinger and Muncy on the bench or burn through their pinch-hitting options in the fourth inning- was discouraging as a Nats fan. I just can't see our organization being that bold or forward-thinking at the moment.  Seems like we used to be at the forefront of innovation but we're being left behind by the movement towards more roster flexibility.

 
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How fast do you guys think the Harper thing will play out?   Not only him signing but the Nats moving forward with other moves instead of waiting for him and Boras.

 
How fast do you guys think the Harper thing will play out?   Not only him signing but the Nats moving forward with other moves instead of waiting for him and Boras.
Boras apparently said yesterday Harper already had a deal in place. Since he wasn’t a free agent until today, that deal could only be with the Nats. Or Boras just got himself into a whole lot of trouble negotiating deals for a player who still belonged to the Nats. 

 
Boras apparently said yesterday Harper already had a deal in place. Since he wasn’t a free agent until today, that deal could only be with the Nats. Or Boras just got himself into a whole lot of trouble negotiating deals for a player who still belonged to the Nats. 
I saw a tweet (maybe from Chelsea Janes) that Boras was just joking on that.

 
Trevor Rosenthal is an interesting reclamation project although $7M seems steep for a guy who hasn't been effective since 2015.

 
Trevor Rosenthal is an interesting reclamation project although $7M seems steep for a guy who hasn't been effective since 2015.
Yeah, Nats have found some good value with players coming off Tommy John, but I have a hard time believing other teams were willing to pay close that much for him.

 
If they want to get crazy, maybe Alex Cora as a player-manager, since I think the only reason they have him on the team is to try get him as a manager in the system when he retires.
 Just felt like bumping this seven year old post.  :sadbanana:
Just felt like bumping this again.

Really amazing what the Nats have been through manager-wise since then, and how they did not find some way to keep him in the organization despite just about everyone seeing him as future MLB manager material.

 
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Rosenthal reporting that Nats ownership rejected a deal that Rizzo that agreed to with the Astros for a package that would have included JB Bukauskus, as well as a catcher in Garrett Stubbs. 

I’m not sure why ownership rejected that.

 
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Kind of interested to see where the offseason goes from here.  I have to think Harper is off the table (maybe Philly throws the money at him that they were offering Corbin).  I would not mind turning the attention to adding another rotational arm and extending Rendon.

 
Kind of interested to see where the offseason goes from here.  I have to think Harper is off the table (maybe Philly throws the money at him that they were offering Corbin).  I would not mind turning the attention to adding another rotational arm and extending Rendon.
I think they'll go with Max, Corbin, Stras, Roark, and Ross in the rotation with Fedde the backup option.  They could use another lefty reliever so they don't have to rely on Solis.  They still need this years version of Matt Adams/Adam Lind too.  

I'm fine with a Kendrick, Difo, Kieboom, Garcia battle at 2B.  If the first two don't work out and the second two aren't ready you can always trade for someone in season.  

 
I think they'll go with Max, Corbin, Stras, Roark, and Ross in the rotation with Fedde the backup option.  They could use another lefty reliever so they don't have to rely on Solis.  They still need this years version of Matt Adams/Adam Lind too.  

I'm fine with a Kendrick, Difo, Kieboom, Garcia battle at 2B.  If the first two don't work out and the second two aren't ready you can always trade for someone in season.  
Ross's injury history worries me, as well as Fedde not quite looking up to the part last year.  Trading Rodriguez took another option off the table too.  I don't think much is needed -- maybe it's just a matter of trying to bring back Hellickson, or some similar washout, like a Matt Harvey to add a little more rotational depth there.

ETA: Saw this exchange on Twitter as a possibility.  Happ or MadBum seem pretty good options if they can make the money work.

 
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Ross's injury history worries me, as well as Fedde not quite looking up to the part last year.  Trading Rodriguez took another option off the table too.  I don't think much is needed -- maybe it's just a matter of trying to bring back Hellickson, or some similar washout, like a Matt Harvey to add a little more rotational depth there.

ETA: Saw this exchange on Twitter as a possibility.  Happ or MadBum seem pretty good options if they can make the money work.
Looks good to me.   On second thought have Ross in the bullpen and Fedde in the minors as #6 and #7 guys does look a lot better.  

 
I hope Anibal Sanchez isn't the Roark replacement.  He seems like a slightly better Jeremy Hellickson where 5-6 Innings a night is his limit.  Fine if he's #5 but meh if he's #4 and Ross/Fedde are #5 doing the same thing.

 
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I hope Anibal Sanchez isn't the Roark replacement.  He seems like a slightly better Jeremy Hellickson where 5-6 Innings a night is his limit.  Fine if he's #5 but meh if he's #4 and Ross/Fedde are #5 doing the same thing.
I always like Annibal but after watching Sanchez his last 2 years in Detroit I thought he would never pitch in MLB again..he had nothing.   

Good for him getting a 2 year deal as he pitched very well last year and was back to a K an inning guy with lots of ground balls.

 
Rosenthal says Nats are close on Dozier.

ETA: Passan says 1 year, $9m.  I like the length.

 
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Rosenthal says Nats are close on Dozier.

ETA: Passan says 1 year, $9m.  I like the length.
I love everything about it.  I feel like I'm missing something.  The only difference between 2018 Brian Dozier and the all-star caliber player from 2014-2017 appears to be a dropoff in power, which seems like an aberration given that he's still just 31, and uncharacteristically bad luck on balls in play. The underlying profile is basically the same.  STEAMER projects him as a 2.5 win player. 

Oddly enough this also makes me slightly more optimistic about Harper.  Everything we've seen thus far in free agency suggests a very soft market for offensive players. Maybe 10/300 with deferred money and opt-outs actually gets it done?

 
I love everything about it.  I feel like I'm missing something.  The only difference between 2018 Brian Dozier and the all-star caliber player from 2014-2017 appears to be a dropoff in power, which seems like an aberration given that he's still just 31, and uncharacteristically bad luck on balls in play. The underlying profile is basically the same.  STEAMER projects him as a 2.5 win player. 

Oddly enough this also makes me slightly more optimistic about Harper.  Everything we've seen thus far in free agency suggests a very soft market for offensive players. Maybe 10/300 with deferred money and opt-outs actually gets it done?
I think so too.  Dozier probably agreed to it in hopes that he has bounce back year, and can get more next year.  Nats were presumably okay because it gives a spot for Kieboom in 2020 if shows he is ready.

It does seem like that the market is pretty soft.  I know there was the report the other day that only four teams are seriously in on Harper/Machado (although I think that was from Bowden, who has shown that he is a questionable source).  I still would not call them the favorite, but it feels a bit more likely now than it felt to me a couple of months ago.

 
I think so too.  Dozier probably agreed to it in hopes that he has bounce back year, and can get more next year.  Nats were presumably okay because it gives a spot for Kieboom in 2020 if shows he is ready.

It does seem like that the market is pretty soft.  I know there was the report the other day that only four teams are seriously in on Harper/Machado (although I think that was from Bowden, who has shown that he is a questionable source).  I still would not call them the favorite, but it feels a bit more likely now than it felt to me a couple of months ago.
I hadn't even let the thought of Harper returning creep into my mind until two weeks ago. I still think all the reports from Bowden and Heyman are just the Nats allowing Boras to use them to drive up the price for Philly or someone else.  But at some point giving the fan base false hope weighs against any slight benefit to them of making the Phils spend an extra million or two a year. Who knows.

 
That’s a bargain for Dozier. Even if he’s just ok at the dish, he’s still an above average defender at worst. Even ####ty Dozier hit for power last year, a 25 homer 800 OPS is within reason. 

 
I’m for bringing Harper back, but wouldn’t be destroyed if he left. I think his best years are ahead of him and DC is an easy market to play in. 

 
If you're Harper, why not take your 10 year, 300 million dollars and ask for an opt out after either year 2 or year 3 so you can do this again if you start playing to your potential?   Seems like he wants to pick anything but Phily but only Phily and Washington are his realistic options at his asking price

 
Not sure why Lehner said they’ve moved on from Harper. I have mixed feelings about signing him but Harper will likely return the money you invest in him more than almost anyone in baseball. I know Rendon is money better spent, but no one one is coming to the park to see Rendon play. 

 
Not sure why Lehner said they’ve moved on from Harper. I have mixed feelings about signing him but Harper will likely return the money you invest in him more than almost anyone in baseball. I know Rendon is money better spent, but no one one is coming to the park to see Rendon play. 
On MLB Network, one of the hosts asked the question if it wouldn't be better for Washington (or another team) to sign Kimbrel, Keuchel and Marwin Gonzalez instead of Harper. The money and years wouldn't be all that different.

Interesting to consider. 

 
I have no idea what's going on with Harper but I think everyone agrees that he at least seems to have some real reservations about signing long term with Philly, right?

Given that, I wonder why we don't hear much chatter about Jayson Werth. Werth was Harper's mentor and maybe closest friend on the Nats for almost his entire big league career.  Nine times a year for six years he watched those fans boo a guy who hit .444/.583/.778 in the 2008 World Series. Compare that to something like Nats fans giving Blake freaking Treinen a big ovation during ASG intros.

If nothing else it would be a fun media narrative to push. Seems ready-made for ESPN talking heads.

 
I have no idea what's going on with Harper but I think everyone agrees that he at least seems to have some real reservations about signing long term with Philly, right?

Given that, I wonder why we don't hear much chatter about Jayson Werth. Werth was Harper's mentor and maybe closest friend on the Nats for almost his entire big league career.  Nine times a year for six years he watched those fans boo a guy who hit .444/.583/.778 in the 2008 World Series. Compare that to something like Nats fans giving Blake freaking Treinen a big ovation during ASG intros.

If nothing else it would be a fun media narrative to push. Seems ready-made for ESPN talking heads.
I think he'd prefer the West Coast, all things being equal, as it puts him closer to Las Vegas.  Maybe hoping the Giants or Dodgers up their offer at this point.  Kind of interested to learn what the Dodgers were offering to Harper last night.

I'm not sure about the Philly narrative, but I could see it.  Between Werth, getting hit on purpose by Cole Hamels, and put in a chokehold by Papelbon (yeah, he was a Nat at the time, but he was still mentally a Phillie (I'm sure a Phillie fan will mock me for saying that, I don't care)), I would not blame him for having doubts about playing in Philly.

 
I'm not sure about the Philly narrative, but I could see it.  Between Werth, getting hit on purpose by Cole Hamels, and put in a chokehold by Papelbon (yeah, he was a Nat at the time, but he was still mentally a Phillie (I'm sure a Phillie fan will mock me for saying that, I don't care)), I would not blame him for having doubts about playing in Philly.
All of these anti-Phillies theories are more believable than the "he doesnt want to play for Philly because he hasnt signed yet" take. That's just Boras being Boras. 

 
Haven't seen anything from Harper to indicate this? I think it's just Boras trying to extract every possible dollar out of the team most likely to sign him. Did JD Martinez have "real reservations" about playing for Boston last year?

Werth claims to have only said good things about Philly to Harper.
I'm not sure "it's a great place to hit. I shared that, among other things" is as positive a message as you think.

Anyway I have no idea what's going on, of course, other than the delay lasting into actual spring training games being kind of eyebrow-raising.  I was more amazed that no talking heads have tried to run with the Werth angle. It seems tailor made for the ESPN shouting heads and the internet conspiracy theorists, and of course there's very little in the way of actual news so you'd think they would have tried to fill the void with a narrative like that.

 
I was assuming he was reluctant to sign with Philly because they are likely to be third in the division at best for the foreseeable future.

 
I know many of the hard core fans already appreciate it, but we are so lucky we get to root for Sean Doolittle.  I love cheering for a player knowing they're an awesome person instead of just hoping it.  He wrote a great op-ed for the Post opposing MLB and New Era moving ballcap production away from a union plant in upstate NY to non-union work in Florida and overseas. And as usual he shares some interesting insights into life as a major leaguer along the way, in this case about his routine and superstitions.

 
Bryce Harper to Phily for 13 years, $330 million.   Almost $5M per year less than the Nats offered.   And he has no opt-out clause (I'm calling BS that it was his decision not to have one).   Man he really screwed up with the Nats negotiations or really wanted to get out of here.

 
I know many of the hard core fans already appreciate it, but we are so lucky we get to root for Sean Doolittle.  I love cheering for a player knowing they're an awesome person instead of just hoping it.  He wrote a great op-ed for the Post opposing MLB and New Era moving ballcap production away from a union plant in upstate NY to non-union work in Florida and overseas. And as usual he shares some interesting insights into life as a major leaguer along the way, in this case about his routine and superstitions.
For the record I posted this before the Bryce Harper news, it wasn't intended as passive-aggressive criticism of him.

Was really hoping the Giants or Dodgers were gonna swoop in last minute and save us from this fate. This is a first for Nats fans, right?  We haven't really had to deal with a great Nats player in his prime leaving to play elsewhere yet. Closest was probably Zimmermann, who generously fell off a cliff when he left to soften the blow.  We've been really lucky in that respect, and our luck was gonna run out eventually.  Guess we might as well tear off the band aid by having him go to a division rival while we're at it.

 
Bryce Harper to Phily for 13 years, $330 million.   Almost $5M per year less than the Nats offered.   And he has no opt-out clause (I'm calling BS that it was his decision not to have one).   Man he really screwed up with the Nats negotiations or really wanted to get out of here.
Barry Svrugla tweeted that about $100 million of the Nats' money offered was deferred, and they would have been paying him out until he was 60.  So, I could see that being a major factor in favor of Philly over Nats too.

 
Come to think of it have DC sports fans had a beloved star in his prime in any sport leave in free agency for somewhere else in the last decade or two? I can't think of any.  Which obviously is partially because we haven't had many beloved stars in the first place, but still. Ovie and Backstrom  signed extensions and have stayed in DC their entire careers to date. Strasburg and Zimmerman, same. Wall and Beal, same. Skins haven't had many homegrown stars but Trent Williams is probably the best player they've had in the last decade and he's stayed.  This is a completely new phenomenon for a lot of people.  Gonna be interesting to see how the city reacts.

 
Come to think of it have DC sports fans had a beloved star in his prime in any sport leave in free agency for somewhere else in the last decade or two? I can't think of any.  Which obviously is partially because we haven't had many beloved stars in the first place, but still. Ovie and Backstrom  signed extensions and have stayed in DC their entire careers to date. Strasburg and Zimmerman, same. Wall and Beal, same. Skins haven't had many homegrown stars but Trent Williams is probably the best player they've had in the last decade and he's stayed.  This is a completely new phenomenon for a lot of people.  Gonna be interesting to see how the city reacts.
It has been pretty rare.  Kirk Cousins last year probably the closest.  I'm not sure if he was ever really beloved though; more tolerated.

Sergei Gonchar might be the closest for the Caps, but that was really before the Caps took hold in DC.  I can't think of any for the Wizards in recent memory.

 
It has been pretty rare.  Kirk Cousins last year probably the closest.  I'm not sure if he was ever really beloved though; more tolerated.

Sergei Gonchar might be the closest for the Caps, but that was really before the Caps took hold in DC.  I can't think of any for the Wizards in recent memory.
Actually, I was looking up Gonchar, and he was traded to the Bruins late in the season before he signed with the Penguins (part of the salary purge around the time that they traded Bondra).  So, I guess he does not work either.

 
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I know many of the hard core fans already appreciate it, but we are so lucky we get to root for Sean Doolittle.  I love cheering for a player knowing they're an awesome person instead of just hoping it.  He wrote a great op-ed for the Post opposing MLB and New Era moving ballcap production away from a union plant in upstate NY to non-union work in Florida and overseas. And as usual he shares some interesting insights into life as a major leaguer along the way, in this case about his routine and superstitions.
He’s awesome 

 

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