***OFFICIAL Yankees vs Indians ALDS Thread*** (1 Viewer)

[Doctor Detroit]

That was a fun game. Yankees win game three but Byrd has had a nice season and game 4 is up in the air. I'll stick with my original prediction in this series.

 

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Anybody see all those gnats?

they are the only reason joba sucked ###. nothing to do with pressure.

So I guess there was no pressure in the 7th inning with runners on 1st and 2nd and 1 out. Please

So he can pitch as long as there's no pressure?

 

[Bobcat10]

Sign O The Night - Gm 1:RightWangWongTimeI think that was it....

Sign O The Night - Gm 2:TribeMeetJobaThanks Yankee fan. Much appreciated.Maybe it should have been:JobaMeetErie

 

[shadyridr]

Anybody see all those gnats?

they are the only reason joba sucked ###. nothing to do with pressure.

So I guess there was no pressure in the 7th inning with runners on 1st and 2nd and 1 out. Please

So he can pitch as long as there's no pressure?

so youre saying there wasnt any pressure in the 7th inning?

 

[Bobcat10]

icon,

Carmona = scary

 

[shadyridr]

Yanks now 3-12 in their last 15 playoff games, 8 hits in this series so far. Lets see how much heart they have and if they can make this a series.

 

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icon,Carmona = scary

 

[Guest]

Odds are clearly in favor of the Indians and regardless of where A-Rod goes from here, I can't imagine the skewering he's going to take from the fair weather Yankee fans. Awesome. Hello, Chicago. Hope he feeds off of some genuine love there and makes the Yankees look like idiots for putting such conditional pressure on him.

 

[shadyridr]

Wow Yankee forums already jumping off the ARod bandwagon. These people sicken me. All year they said how much they loved him and they didnt care how he did in the playoffs cuz they wouldnt be in the playoffs without ARod and now they are already bashing him for 1 bad game. Sickening.

 

[[icon]]

Anybody see all those gnats?

they are the only reason joba sucked ###. nothing to do with pressure.

So I guess there was no pressure in the 7th inning with runners on 1st and 2nd and 1 out. Please

So he can pitch as long as there's no pressure?

so youre saying there wasnt any pressure in the 7th inning?

 

[Capella]

Wow Yankee forums already jumping off the ARod bandwagon. These people sicken me. All year they said how much they loved him and they didnt care how he did in the playoffs cuz they wouldnt be in the playoffs without ARod and now they are already bashing him for 1 bad game. Sickening.

yankee fans are idiot douchebagsHTH

 

[Guest]

Wow Yankee forums already jumping off the ARod bandwagon. These people sicken me. All year they said how much they loved him and they didnt care how he did in the playoffs cuz they wouldnt be in the playoffs without ARod and now they are already bashing him for 1 bad game. Sickening.

But that's what you're dealing with in Yankeeville. Part of the reason I hate them with venom.

 

[Bobcat10]

Props again to Wedgie for throwing Perez for two in game 1. Needed to get in there early and helped him huge tonight when the pressure was on.

 

[shadyridr]

Anybody see all those gnats?

they are the only reason joba sucked ###. nothing to do with pressure.

So I guess there was no pressure in the 7th inning with runners on 1st and 2nd and 1 out. Please

So he can pitch as long as there's no pressure?

so youre saying there wasnt any pressure in the 7th inning?

I really dont get what youre trying to say. There was pressure in the 7th inning and Joba dominated. There was pressure in the 8th inning and Joba wilted. Im willing to give him a pass and say the bugs affected him more than the other pitchers for whatever reason before I say the kid cant handle the pressure of the playoffs. Jeez

 

[Reaper]

You just have to laugh...

And that's not A-rods fault...

 

[Bobcat10]

Wow Yankee forums already jumping off the ARod bandwagon. These people sicken me. All year they said how much they loved him and they didnt care how he did in the playoffs cuz they wouldnt be in the playoffs without ARod and now they are already bashing him for 1 bad game. Sickening.

That sucks. I mean, I'm happy...but that just sucks. Just like the national media, this thread will continue on for the night as All Yankees All the Time (maybe until some of my cohorts come home...#### YA WADE AND TEC AND SUMMER AND SERVO AND bgp ).SEE YA.

 

[shadyridr]

bottomline, yanks bullpen sucks, yanks used to win these games, now they cant. Yanks need to resign ARod and hope Joba and Hughes develop into studs and hope they can get some bullpen pieces.

 

[shadyridr]

Oh and for the love of God bench Matsui

 

[RBM]

How in the hell does a team with the resources of the mighty NY Yankees not have a lefty in the bullpen?

How is that possible. A team without a lefty reliever in the playoffs.....that has to be unheard of

 

[Doctor Detroit]

bottomline, yanks bullpen sucks, yanks used to win these games, now they cant. Yanks need to resign ARod and hope Joba and Hughes develop into studs and hope they can get some bullpen pieces.

Seriously this Yankees team has like three times the payroll as the Indians and twice as much as everyone but the Red Six. There is no excuse.

 

[Bobcat10]

bottomline, yanks bullpen sucks, yanks used to win these games, now they cant. Yanks need to resign ARod and hope Joba and Hughes develop into studs and hope they can get some bullpen pieces.

I should start a list of the prognogs that said the Yank bullpen edged the Tribe. What are these people thinking? They are brainwashed cuz it's ny.

 

[Guest]

How in the hell does a team with the resources of the mighty NY Yankees not have a lefty in the bullpen?How is that possible. A team without a lefty reliever in the playoffs.....that has to be unheard of

Cashman

 

[shadyridr]

How in the hell does a team with the resources of the mighty NY Yankees not have a lefty in the bullpen?How is that possible. A team without a lefty reliever in the playoffs.....that has to be unheard of

for some strange reason torre kept a slightly effective Villone off the roster and kept Veras and Ohlendorf over him

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

I really don't want this "bug excuse" to gain traction. I mean, as a fan, you scratch you head and wonder what the #### is going on with that, but there are lots of reasons why they lost and lots of reasons why they won, and I'm looking right at the Father of Frito head behind the dish. Those were "wild pitches" technically, but both balls that if stone glove drops to his knees on don't get past him.

Cleveland has the mojo right now, Carmona was simply dominant, their pen was stout and they got the runs when it counted, but Posada's glove work, man. They were lucky to survive his 3rd strike passed ball.

And Torre.

I've defended him quite often, even in the downstretch this season. But man, maybe it is time to put some new blood in there. The fact that Matsui even started this game, never mind flailed endlessly throughout it(pinch hit Duncan in the 11th against Perez leading off the inning???). It might be time to go.

And the same goes for A-Rod. Not because he's not a great player and he might turn this around, but this will ALWAYS be story. It'll be the story all next year, he'll face the same buildup, he'll choke the handle again, and he's like that fun, good girlfriend you have that you know you can't, or shouldn't marry. There is just something not there to make it all there. Thats the best analogy I can make for A-Rod right now. He'll go on and be great somewhere else, maybe even build on this year, but I wouldn't bend over backwards to keep this guy around. You can say he's one guy on the team, but when that one guy wants to make 35 millon a season, he wears the bullseye and he answers the questions.

These two are a big part of the 2004 hangover and its time to cut the chord on these two. There is a great new base to build on, these two are just not going to be productive parts of it.

 

[shadyridr]

bottomline, yanks bullpen sucks, yanks used to win these games, now they cant. Yanks need to resign ARod and hope Joba and Hughes develop into studs and hope they can get some bullpen pieces.

I should start a list of the prognogs that said the Yank bullpen edged the Tribe. What are these people thinking? They are brainwashed cuz it's ny.

Im not sure who said that as I certainly did not. Yanks bullpen has been bad all year outside of the Joba and Mo.

 

[shadyridr]

I really don't want this "bug excuse" to gain traction. I mean, as a fan, you scratch you head and wonder what the #### is going on with that, but there are lots of reasons why they lost and lots of reasons why they won, and I'm looking right at the Father of Frito head behind the dish. Those were "wild pitches" technically, but both balls that if stone glove drops to his knees on don't get past him. Cleveland has the mojo right now, Carmona was simply dominant, their pen was stout and they got the runs when it counted, but Posada's glove work, man. They were lucky to survive his 3rd strike passed ball. And Torre.I've defended him quite often, even in the downstretch this season. But man, maybe it is time to put some new blood in there. The fact that Matsui even started this game, never mind flailed endlessly throughout it(pinch hit Duncan in the 11th against Perez leading off the inning???). It might be time to go.And the same goes for A-Rod. Not because he's not a great player and he might turn this around, but this will ALWAYS be story. It'll be the story all next year, he'll face the same buildup, he'll choke the handle again, and he's like that fun, good girlfriend you have that you know you can't, or shouldn't marry. There is just something not there to make it all there. Thats the best analogy I can make for A-Rod right now. He'll go on and be great somewhere else, maybe even build on this year, but I wouldn't bend over backwards to keep this guy around. You can say he's one guy on the team, but when that one guy wants to make 35 millon a season, he wears the bullseye and he answers the questions. These two are a big part of the 2004 hangover and its time to cut the chord on these two. There is a great new base to build on, these two are just not going to be productive parts of it.

Wow. They lost 2 games to a great team, a team that is probably better than them. No reason to go ape####. The series is still not over. I think this series goes 5 although I dont think theyd win a game 5 in Cle.

 

[shadyridr]

I really dont understand why people are gonna ##### and moan if we lose this series. I guess the frustration of some of the previous Yankees teams carries over but this is a good Cle team. Yanks are probably the 4th or at least 3rd best team in the playoffs this year. I never thought this series would be easy and its not over yet.

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

I really don't want this "bug excuse" to gain traction. I mean, as a fan, you scratch you head and wonder what the #### is going on with that, but there are lots of reasons why they lost and lots of reasons why they won, and I'm looking right at the Father of Frito head behind the dish. Those were "wild pitches" technically, but both balls that if stone glove drops to his knees on don't get past him. Cleveland has the mojo right now, Carmona was simply dominant, their pen was stout and they got the runs when it counted, but Posada's glove work, man. They were lucky to survive his 3rd strike passed ball. And Torre.I've defended him quite often, even in the downstretch this season. But man, maybe it is time to put some new blood in there. The fact that Matsui even started this game, never mind flailed endlessly throughout it(pinch hit Duncan in the 11th against Perez leading off the inning???). It might be time to go.And the same goes for A-Rod. Not because he's not a great player and he might turn this around, but this will ALWAYS be story. It'll be the story all next year, he'll face the same buildup, he'll choke the handle again, and he's like that fun, good girlfriend you have that you know you can't, or shouldn't marry. There is just something not there to make it all there. Thats the best analogy I can make for A-Rod right now. He'll go on and be great somewhere else, maybe even build on this year, but I wouldn't bend over backwards to keep this guy around. You can say he's one guy on the team, but when that one guy wants to make 35 millon a season, he wears the bullseye and he answers the questions. These two are a big part of the 2004 hangover and its time to cut the chord on these two. There is a great new base to build on, these two are just not going to be productive parts of it.

Wow. They lost 2 games to a great team, a team that is probably better than them. No reason to go ape####. The series is still not over. I think this series goes 5 although I dont think theyd win a game 5 in Cle.

Take the F-ing A-Rod blinders off. I want the guy to succeed, but when something isn't working, you can keep trying to prove it wrong, or you can correct it. I'm honestly shocked that he's doing it again, I thought he had really straightened things out, and if he was having good ABs, I'd live easily with the hitless streaks. But its clear that the postseason failures are back in his head. You are never out of any series in any sport until you lose a game at home, but unfortunately, if they drop that one at home now, they can stay there. The season hangs on a 45 year old man with a bad hamstring. If they throw a guy who wasn't in the rotation because of ineffectiveness after Labor Day. They right now just look like the teams they used to beat. Blowing 8th inning leads, poor situational hitting, mental lapses. You can have faith all you want, I wish I shared it. Mine is dead. It died in 2004. The vibe is bad come postseason here, its time for a new one.

 

[shadyridr]

I really don't want this "bug excuse" to gain traction. I mean, as a fan, you scratch you head and wonder what the #### is going on with that, but there are lots of reasons why they lost and lots of reasons why they won, and I'm looking right at the Father of Frito head behind the dish. Those were "wild pitches" technically, but both balls that if stone glove drops to his knees on don't get past him.

Cleveland has the mojo right now, Carmona was simply dominant, their pen was stout and they got the runs when it counted, but Posada's glove work, man. They were lucky to survive his 3rd strike passed ball.

And Torre.

I've defended him quite often, even in the downstretch this season. But man, maybe it is time to put some new blood in there. The fact that Matsui even started this game, never mind flailed endlessly throughout it(pinch hit Duncan in the 11th against Perez leading off the inning???). It might be time to go.

And the same goes for A-Rod. Not because he's not a great player and he might turn this around, but this will ALWAYS be story. It'll be the story all next year, he'll face the same buildup, he'll choke the handle again, and he's like that fun, good girlfriend you have that you know you can't, or shouldn't marry. There is just something not there to make it all there. Thats the best analogy I can make for A-Rod right now. He'll go on and be great somewhere else, maybe even build on this year, but I wouldn't bend over backwards to keep this guy around. You can say he's one guy on the team, but when that one guy wants to make 35 millon a season, he wears the bullseye and he answers the questions.

These two are a big part of the 2004 hangover and its time to cut the chord on these two. There is a great new base to build on, these two are just not going to be productive parts of it.

Wow. They lost 2 games to a great team, a team that is probably better than them. No reason to go ape####. The series is still not over. I think this series goes 5 although I dont think theyd win a game 5 in Cle.

Take the F-ing A-Rod blinders off. I want the guy to succeed, but when something isn't working, you can keep trying to prove it wrong, or you can correct it. I'm honestly shocked that he's doing it again, I thought he had really straightened things out, and if he was having good ABs, I'd live easily with the hitless streaks. But its clear that the postseason failures are back in his head. You are never out of any series in any sport until you lose a game at home, but unfortunately, if they drop that one at home now, they can stay there. The season hangs on a 45 year old man with a bad hamstring. If they throw a guy who wasn't in the rotation because of ineffectiveness after Labor Day. They right now just look like the teams they used to beat. Blowing 8th inning leads, poor situational hitting, mental lapses. You can have faith all you want, I wish I shared it. Mine is dead. It died in 2004.

The vibe is bad come postseason here, its time for a new one.

Hes the best player in baseball, yanks wouldnt be here without him, i have little doubt he will get some big hits for them in games 3 and 4.

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

I really dont understand why people are gonna ##### and moan if we lose this series. I guess the frustration of some of the previous Yankees teams carries over but this is a good Cle team. Yanks are probably the 4th or at least 3rd best team in the playoffs this year. I never thought this series would be easy and its not over yet.

I mean, are you watching the games? Why are people going to piss and moan? If Sabathia had done yesterday what Carmona did today, no one would have griped. Cy young candidate ace shuts you down at home, tip your hat. It didn't break like that. He walked 4 lefties all season and walks 4 lefties yesterday, 2 lefties went deep after 3 homered off him all season. They got to their ace, but the rest didn't come together.Todays game, you have a lead in the 8th inning with the shutdown man of the present and future on your team on the hill with the greatest closer ever backing him up. You did manage a run against a guy with no-hit stuff and you give that run back without the benefit of a hit. And then you don't make a loud out the rest of the way to challenge? These were two brutal losses that they could have picked up wins in. Its playoff baseball, both teams are there to win, fine I get it. But you have to think about getting a split of two tough games. Two losses like that where little things ate them alive and you wonder why people are questioning?

 

[shadyridr]

I have confidence Clemens can pitch a good Game 3 but at most he'll go 6 so itll be up to our bullpen again in game 3. In game 4 I would start Wang on 3 days rest and if it gets to a game 5 pitch Pettitte on normal rest.

 

[shadyridr]

I really dont understand why people are gonna ##### and moan if we lose this series. I guess the frustration of some of the previous Yankees teams carries over but this is a good Cle team. Yanks are probably the 4th or at least 3rd best team in the playoffs this year. I never thought this series would be easy and its not over yet.

I mean, are you watching the games?

Havent you gone to the gym in the middle of both games?

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Rut-roh. Yankee infighting.

 

[shadyridr]

Rut-roh. Yankee infighting.

yeah im done in this thread until the series is over

 

[Capella]

more please

 

[Tecumseh]

I really dont understand why people are gonna ##### and moan if we lose this series. I guess the frustration of some of the previous Yankees teams carries over but this is a good Cle team. Yanks are probably the 4th or at least 3rd best team in the playoffs this year. I never thought this series would be easy and its not over yet.

I mean, are you watching the games?

Havent you gone to the gym in the middle of both games?

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

I really dont understand why people are gonna ##### and moan if we lose this series. I guess the frustration of some of the previous Yankees teams carries over but this is a good Cle team. Yanks are probably the 4th or at least 3rd best team in the playoffs this year. I never thought this series would be easy and its not over yet.

I mean, are you watching the games?

Havent you gone to the gym in the middle of both games?

I did indeed, but christ almighty, I feel like I see more if you "still have faith" in Clemens or A-Rod. What rationale are you using other than blind optimism. If I told you in both games you'd have:-Sabathia out of the game in the 5th with 3 runs and 6 walks and 114 pitches-6 outs away from a win with a rested Joba and MoAnd you go 0-2 in those games? But you have confidence in a team that's gone 2-12 in its last 14 games in the postseason.

 

[Bobcat10]

I really dont understand why people are gonna ##### and moan if we lose this series. I guess the frustration of some of the previous Yankees teams carries over but this is a good Cle team. Yanks are probably the 4th or at least 3rd best team in the playoffs this year. I never thought this series would be easy and its not over yet.

I mean, are you watching the games? Why are people going to piss and moan? If Sabathia had done yesterday what Carmona did today, no one would have griped. Cy young candidate ace shuts you down at home, tip your hat. It didn't break like that. He walked 4 lefties all season and walks 4 lefties yesterday, 2 lefties went deep after 3 homered off him all season. They got to their ace, but the rest didn't come together.Todays game, you have a lead in the 8th inning with the shutdown man of the present and future on your team on the hill with the greatest closer ever backing him up. You did manage a run against a guy with no-hit stuff and you give that run back without the benefit of a hit. And then you don't make a loud out the rest of the way to challenge? These were two brutal losses that they could have picked up wins in. Its playoff baseball, both teams are there to win, fine I get it. But you have to think about getting a split of two tough games. Two losses like that where little things ate them alive and you wonder why people are questioning?

They've been outplayed in both games. A few extra Yankee hits in game 1 probably means nothing and a few extra Tribe hits tonight could have meant a replay of game 1. Yanks didn't threaten at all tonight. You've got 8 hits in 20 innings.

 

[Reaper]

I really don't want this "bug excuse" to gain traction. I mean, as a fan, you scratch you head and wonder what the #### is going on with that, but there are lots of reasons why they lost and lots of reasons why they won, and I'm looking right at the Father of Frito head behind the dish. Those were "wild pitches" technically, but both balls that if stone glove drops to his knees on don't get past him. Cleveland has the mojo right now, Carmona was simply dominant, their pen was stout and they got the runs when it counted, but Posada's glove work, man. They were lucky to survive his 3rd strike passed ball. And Torre.I've defended him quite often, even in the downstretch this season. But man, maybe it is time to put some new blood in there. The fact that Matsui even started this game, never mind flailed endlessly throughout it(pinch hit Duncan in the 11th against Perez leading off the inning???). It might be time to go.And the same goes for A-Rod. Not because he's not a great player and he might turn this around, but this will ALWAYS be story. It'll be the story all next year, he'll face the same buildup, he'll choke the handle again, and he's like that fun, good girlfriend you have that you know you can't, or shouldn't marry. There is just something not there to make it all there. Thats the best analogy I can make for A-Rod right now. He'll go on and be great somewhere else, maybe even build on this year, but I wouldn't bend over backwards to keep this guy around. You can say he's one guy on the team, but when that one guy wants to make 35 millon a season, he wears the bullseye and he answers the questions. These two are a big part of the 2004 hangover and its time to cut the chord on these two. There is a great new base to build on, these two are just not going to be productive parts of it.

Meh.... Arod was shut down by great pitching I'd rather have him with them than against....And there is no Bug excuse, it's unfortunate but, part of "anything can happen" in the playoffs.Just like taking the next 3. I'd take Girardi.

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

I really dont understand why people are gonna ##### and moan if we lose this series. I guess the frustration of some of the previous Yankees teams carries over but this is a good Cle team. Yanks are probably the 4th or at least 3rd best team in the playoffs this year. I never thought this series would be easy and its not over yet.

I mean, are you watching the games? Why are people going to piss and moan? If Sabathia had done yesterday what Carmona did today, no one would have griped. Cy young candidate ace shuts you down at home, tip your hat. It didn't break like that. He walked 4 lefties all season and walks 4 lefties yesterday, 2 lefties went deep after 3 homered off him all season. They got to their ace, but the rest didn't come together.Todays game, you have a lead in the 8th inning with the shutdown man of the present and future on your team on the hill with the greatest closer ever backing him up. You did manage a run against a guy with no-hit stuff and you give that run back without the benefit of a hit. And then you don't make a loud out the rest of the way to challenge? These were two brutal losses that they could have picked up wins in. Its playoff baseball, both teams are there to win, fine I get it. But you have to think about getting a split of two tough games. Two losses like that where little things ate them alive and you wonder why people are questioning?

They've been outplayed in both games. A few extra Yankee hits in game 1 probably means nothing and a few extra Tribe hits tonight could have meant a replay of game 1. Yanks didn't threaten at all tonight. You've got 8 hits in 20 innings.

I don't think you can say they got outplayed tonight. Cleveland won, but they scored their first run on two wild pitches and without benefit of a hit. They won, tip your hat, but I wouldn't say losing a game 2-1 in extra innings is some demonstrative statement on the tribe being that much better.

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

I really don't want this "bug excuse" to gain traction. I mean, as a fan, you scratch you head and wonder what the #### is going on with that, but there are lots of reasons why they lost and lots of reasons why they won, and I'm looking right at the Father of Frito head behind the dish. Those were "wild pitches" technically, but both balls that if stone glove drops to his knees on don't get past him. Cleveland has the mojo right now, Carmona was simply dominant, their pen was stout and they got the runs when it counted, but Posada's glove work, man. They were lucky to survive his 3rd strike passed ball. And Torre.I've defended him quite often, even in the downstretch this season. But man, maybe it is time to put some new blood in there. The fact that Matsui even started this game, never mind flailed endlessly throughout it(pinch hit Duncan in the 11th against Perez leading off the inning???). It might be time to go.And the same goes for A-Rod. Not because he's not a great player and he might turn this around, but this will ALWAYS be story. It'll be the story all next year, he'll face the same buildup, he'll choke the handle again, and he's like that fun, good girlfriend you have that you know you can't, or shouldn't marry. There is just something not there to make it all there. Thats the best analogy I can make for A-Rod right now. He'll go on and be great somewhere else, maybe even build on this year, but I wouldn't bend over backwards to keep this guy around. You can say he's one guy on the team, but when that one guy wants to make 35 millon a season, he wears the bullseye and he answers the questions. These two are a big part of the 2004 hangover and its time to cut the chord on these two. There is a great new base to build on, these two are just not going to be productive parts of it.

Meh.... Arod was shut down by great pitching I'd rather have him with them than against....And there is no Bug excuse, it's unfortunate but, part of "anything can happen" in the playoffs.Just like taking the next 3. I'd take Girardi.

No, its not an excuse for this guy anymore. Great hitters don't get shut down by great pitchers consistently. Great hitters don't take the halo with 3 k's in a must win game. They just don't year in and year out. If that's great, let him be great somewhere else and lets keep turning over the culture of this team.

 

[Tom Servo]

That sucks. I mean, I'm happy...but that just sucks.

Just like the national media, this thread will continue on for the night as All Yankees All the Time (maybe until some of my cohorts come home...#### YA WADE AND TEC AND SUMMER AND SERVO AND bgp ).

SEE YA.

Since I'm being called out... First things first...are you Yankee fans like this all the time? Listening to that junk for 162 games would make my butt tired. For the love of Pete, YOU HAVE 26 FREAKING WORLD TITLES -- we have two and none since 1948. In one sense, I'm just glad to be here after a six year absense; you guys are ready to riot after not WINNING in seven years. I've been a Tribe fan since 1968 and cried myself to sleep when they lost the '97 series. Mind you, I'm still dreaming of a WS title so I can max out my savings buying gear and stuff and bawl my eyes out in sheer joy and die a happy man. All I'm asking for is a tad bit of perspective and realize how bloody wonderful you guys have it.

Secondly, you guys have absolutely nothing to be ashamed of these last two games. CC & Carmona just flat out you guys. No shame in that. Yeah, Cleveland's been on that end of the stick more than I would like to remember, but when you lose straight up best man against best man...take away some pride in knowing you gave your best even if you lost. I mean, tonight's game is one to remember on both sides.

Now, NYY has to go home, deal with the media anal exam and find a way to get Clemens away from shooting his next Cingular commercial (this time, his call is dropped while ordering flowers for his wife). I can see him going way past what even he's capable of and scraping out a game 3 win for Da Bronx. However, rolling out a really bad Mussina for game 4 against Byrd (more than likely) -- the crafty veteran with the old-fashioned pump warmup -- and I see the Indians wrapping up in NY Monday night.

My :(

 

[Tom Servo]

BTW, where has BGP been? I wonder if he's been busy writing a Labron James hate letter and is just waiting for the post office to open tomorrow...

 

[HellToupee]

did Granderson call the bugs Canadian soldiers?

 

[Michael Brown]

$300 Million down the tubes

oof

BELIEVE ME --- the Yankees organization made a good deal of money on their $300 million investment. Even if they don't win, you can sleep well at night knowing that the money certainly didn't go down the tubes.

 

[Michael Brown]

As a non-supporter of A-Rod for the past few years, I will say two things.

1) These two losses are NOT his fault singularly. Babe Ruth in his prime wouldn't have hit these two guys. Well, partly because he would never have faced them because of racism...but even if they were allowed to play, he wouldn't have hit them.

2) A-Rod does appear to be pressing again. No one is having good ABs against these guys, but like someone (Muffdiver?) mentioned earlier, if he's going to want $35 million per year and admire his statistics on the scoreboard when he gets up to bat (documented by Michael Kay during broadcasts), then he really ought to do something over these next two games. If for no other reason than to get some people off his back. Another 0-for the first round will not endear him to anyone, and at that point if they go out with a whimper again with him scuffling, people will want blood. The next two games will be against Jake Westbrook and Paul Byrd. If he doesn't do it against THOSE guys Shady, it might be time to call him (and yes others, but mostly him) out.

For what it's worth, all I ever said negatively was that I doubted he could come through in big spots. He did that and more countless times during the regular season and proved me completely wrong, so I have faith that he can get it done over the next two games. Now that we KNOW he has the intestinal fortitude to get those timely, late-game, dramatic hits...there's no reason to NOT get it done now.

 

[shakeybarn]

Hilarious.. when those fat signing contracts come due: the top 25 payrolls:

Gotta love the payoff on Giambi, Helton, Colon, Petitie, ManRam, Bonds, Sexson.. these contracts which seemed kinda/very high years ago, but seeeeeeemed so right in the short term...

Rank Player Salary Team

1 Giambi, Jason $ 23,428,571 New York Yankees

2 Rodriguez, Alex $ 22,708,525 New York Yankees

3 Jeter, Derek $ 21,600,000 New York Yankees

4 Ramirez, Manny $ 17,016,381 Boston Red Sox

5 Helton, Todd $ 16,600,000 Colorado Rockies

6 Colon, Bartolo $ 16,000,000 Los Angeles Angels

7 Pettitte, Andy $ 16,000,000 New York Yankees

8 Schmidt, Jason $ 15,703,946 Los Angeles Dodgers

9 Bonds, Barry $ 15,533,970 San Francisco Giants

10 Sexson, Richie $ 15,500,000 Seattle Mariners

11 Abreu, Bobby $ 15,000,000 New York Yankees

12 Thome, Jim $ 14,833,333 Chicago White Sox

13 Berkman, Lance $ 14,500,000 Houston Astros

 

[shakeybarn]

For those of you keeping score at home... and enjoy the beauty of the NFL salary cap...

Boston payroll - $143 MILLION

Washington Nationals $37M

yeah this sport is rather fair........ lordy.

 

[Ghost Rider]

The Yankees, as a team, have 8 hits in 20 innings this series so far. But yeah, it is all A-Rod's fault. Yep, that makes sense.

 

[Michael Brown]

The Yankees, as a team, have 8 hits in 20 innings this series so far. But yeah, it is all A-Rod's fault. Yep, that makes sense.

I don't think anyone is saying it's all A-Rod's fault. But as the best player and hitter on the team, you can't honestly put as much blame on Doug Mientkiewicz, Posada, and Damon as you do on A-Rod. That's why he gets recognition as the best player. You expect some of those other guys to fail more often than not. A-Rod hit 50+ HR and drove in 150+ and should win the MVP going away. So fans expect him to produce in run-producing moments in the playoffs like, oh I don't know...Manny Ramirez?