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***OFFICIAL Yankees vs Indians ALDS Thread*** (1 Viewer)
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Ghost Rider
Footballguy
The Yankees have hit into two double plays in two innings thus far. They are both already being blamed on A-Rod.
Tecumseh
Footballguy
I was thinking the same thing. He looks like a retired O-lineman.
Tecumseh
Footballguy
I respect him for trying. Steinbrenner/Cashman were the dumbasses who agreed to the salary. Rocket tried and couldn't go. I can't fault him for that.
Newslang
Footballguy
Eh yeah i guess your right. Just sucks as a fan, they paid too much for the guy, they dont care though, come on Hughes.
phthalatemagic
Footballguy
Well, they sure aren't selling as many shiny new hats as that Boston team. There sure are a bunch of new Boston Red Sox hats everywhere.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Jeter with another DP, killing a potential Yankee rally.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
hi yankee fans!
clemens sure was worth 20 million!!!
clemens sure was worth 20 million!!!
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Wow, Yankees finally figured out Jake Westbrook? No way.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Indians with a meltdown. Nice job rolling Jake Westbrook out there. 
nyftbl_giants
Footballguy
so was randy mossits ok he'll play for NE and you can have the fourth rounder...doh!
Tecumseh
Footballguy
They've already said it will be Byrd.
Holy Christ, are you serious?I guess Byrd has pitched well recently, but still...
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Bryd has been good this year and that's why I really didn't understand starting Westbrook in game three. you give the momentum back to a team with a 220 million dollar payroll. Don't get it knowing what I know about Jake Westbrook.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
can betemit pitch>
Sammy3469
Footballguy
no clue why thy aren't going with Sbathia nad hten Carmona on full rest, but that's why I'm sitting here.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
Ya, I'm a little suprised too. Especially that they would name it so early....as if to give Byrd full confidence. Maybe CC pitches like Hughes tonight? I just don't see that though.Did the Yanks name their starter yet?
harryhood
Footballguy
Yes.Byrd v. Wang
Bobcat10
Footballguy
Hopefully TBS doesn't call tonights game like another Soap Opera. If I hear "bossman" one more time I'm gonna puke. I mean, Gwynn never seen anyone with Joba stuff besides N. Ryan? Why don't they cut to Ernie during God Bless America like they do in every other game?
You think you found something good in TBS...and then it's Fox all over again.
You think you found something good in TBS...and then it's Fox all over again.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
CC should be throwing tonight.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Sabathia has a rubber arm. Any chance they change this and roll him out there tonight?
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
Doubtful.Found this little nugget from a recent article:
I can definitely see the argument for throwing CC tonight and then Carmona Wed., but I don't see them changing now.ETA: the last time the Indians used a pitcher on 3-days rest (Colon in '99), he gave up two touchdowns to the Red Sox.
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Bobcat10
Footballguy
Agreed that it's doubtful, but more because Wedge is stubborn.In how many of those 5 game series you mention did the team thowing the three-man weave have somebody like Fausto on full rest for game 5? He's been the best pitcher in the AL, maybe baseball, since Sept 1st.
Capella
Footballguy
Amazing they're not going to pitch Carmona again this series. I mean, that's just mind-blowing.
The Yanks are desperate to win. So, they're going to pitch their best tonight. The Tribe apparently are not, and that's the type of thing that often bites you in the ###.
Going with Westbrook AND Byrd over CC/Carmona is unacceptable. You Indian fans should be livid.
The Yanks are desperate to win. So, they're going to pitch their best tonight. The Tribe apparently are not, and that's the type of thing that often bites you in the ###.
Going with Westbrook AND Byrd over CC/Carmona is unacceptable. You Indian fans should be livid.
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
BTW...Chip Caray is easily the WORST announcer EVER! He's ####### horrible.
harryhood
Footballguy
I would obviously love to see the bombers come back to force a game 5, however that would be a nerve racking couple a days. Imagine the baseball game we possibly could be seeing on wednesday though.
Sabathia v. Pettite for the right to play the sox in the CS. Would be a great game. Lets hope the bats stay alive tonight in the bronx!!
Any chance you guys think wedge is going to go CC > fausto > bullpen if they were to go to a game 5?
Sabathia v. Pettite for the right to play the sox in the CS. Would be a great game. Lets hope the bats stay alive tonight in the bronx!!
Any chance you guys think wedge is going to go CC > fausto > bullpen if they were to go to a game 5?
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
Honestly, as a Yankee fan, I am elated over the fact that Wedge is pitching Byrd tonight...We have handled Byrd pretty well int he past, including earlier this year...Plus, he is just not in the same stratosphere as CC or Carmona...I guess Wedge figures that he'll have both CC and Carmona for a Game 5, but hell, I'll just take a Game 5 after being down 2-0 on the series...Anything can happen in a Game 5 or a Game 7, and for them not to pitch Sabathia and Carmona twice each is inexcusable, IMO...Yanks have the Red Sox to thank for all this, by securing best record and choosing the longer series (not like they needed it), we got the shorter one, which allowed Wedge to overthink this stuff... 
to the Sox
Bobcat10
Footballguy
Yes, maybe without the bullpen part.
Sammy3469
Footballguy
If Wesge was forced to bring both Sabathia and Carmona back on 3 days rest I could understand holding Sabathia off, but they wouldn't be doing that. Having Carmona in the bully in case Sabathia blows up in game 5 is a huge waste of quality innings especially since you don't want Byrd going more than 5 anyways tonight. Wang may suck tonight, but putting Byrd out there is a huge advantage for the Yankees. The one thing mitigating all that is that Wedge saved his bully last night so if he's forced to pull Byrd early he at least has rested arms while Torre is going to have to go with Mussina, Vizcaino, Veras, an inning of Rivera, maybe an inning of Pettitte/Joba. Not the best situtation either if Wang sucks again.
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
Of course Torre is doing his best to screw things up himself with his continued mismanagement of his bullpen...
Hughes had only thrown 63 pitches, had a 5 run lead going into the 7th, and he goes with Joba for two full innings and then Rivera?
Really?
Either Hughes should have gone out for the 7th, or you bring a Veras or Farnsworth in...
If you can't get 3 outs there without coughing up a 5 run lead, you're not going to do anything meaningful in the postseason anyway...
Only redeeming factor was Rivera breezed through the 9th on 10 pitches, so I don't think that wil hinder him much for tonight...
JOba, I would assume, is unavailable...
It'll be Wang with Mussina the 1st guy out of the pen...
Wouldn't be surprised to see Pettitte get the call if need be to face a tough lefty or even chuck an inning on what would be his throw day...
Basically all hands on deck
Hughes had only thrown 63 pitches, had a 5 run lead going into the 7th, and he goes with Joba for two full innings and then Rivera?
Really?
Either Hughes should have gone out for the 7th, or you bring a Veras or Farnsworth in...
If you can't get 3 outs there without coughing up a 5 run lead, you're not going to do anything meaningful in the postseason anyway...
Only redeeming factor was Rivera breezed through the 9th on 10 pitches, so I don't think that wil hinder him much for tonight...
JOba, I would assume, is unavailable...
It'll be Wang with Mussina the 1st guy out of the pen...
Wouldn't be surprised to see Pettitte get the call if need be to face a tough lefty or even chuck an inning on what would be his throw day...
Basically all hands on deck
Bobcat10
Footballguy
Here's another reason I'm dumbfounded...
Let's say CC throws tonight and has a not so perfect 3-4 innings, but fights like he did in Game 1 and only gives up a few runs. Tribe is in the game maybe winning, CC has thrown 80+ pitches thru 4. Perfect time to bring Byrd in and say, get us to the 7th, vet. Not Laffey or Fultz (why he was brought in last night over Lewis is another big question I have, screw the lefty/lefty crap that early in the game).
Now let's say the Yanks win tonight when Byrd starts. Wedge has CC and Carmona ready to go. CC looks like game 1 again early. When to pull that trigger to Carmona becomes magnified in so many ways. Wedge is in a lose/lose situation unless he calls it perfect. Lots of pressure will be on the Tribe and Wedge in this situation, hitting too.
Let's say CC throws tonight and has a not so perfect 3-4 innings, but fights like he did in Game 1 and only gives up a few runs. Tribe is in the game maybe winning, CC has thrown 80+ pitches thru 4. Perfect time to bring Byrd in and say, get us to the 7th, vet. Not Laffey or Fultz (why he was brought in last night over Lewis is another big question I have, screw the lefty/lefty crap that early in the game).
Now let's say the Yanks win tonight when Byrd starts. Wedge has CC and Carmona ready to go. CC looks like game 1 again early. When to pull that trigger to Carmona becomes magnified in so many ways. Wedge is in a lose/lose situation unless he calls it perfect. Lots of pressure will be on the Tribe and Wedge in this situation, hitting too.
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
Well according to the original "Joba rules", he couldn't pitch on consecutive days, and he needed one full day of rest for every inning pitched (i.e. 2 days rest if he pitched 2 innings)...Now these definitely get altered in the playoffs, but he did throw almost 40 pitches yesterday, and was noticeably less effective in the 8th...
They may have him available today, but probably for 1 IP max, and even then I have my doubts...
Sammy3469
Footballguy
Plus he was gassed by the end of the 2nd inning last night.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
Like I said, until last night I thought he, and this crew, was calling a pretty good series.Maybe they just hype the moment, but when you hear "Here come the YANKEES!" after a single in the early innings of the game, you just gotta wonder. And the "2-liter finally burst" stuff was just great....like the Indians pitching had nothing to do with the first two games, it's just all about the Yankees hitting.
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
Yup
Bobcat10
Footballguy
Ya, I thought Blake got enough of that one for at least a double....short porch plus no doubles depth probably helped.
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
You think he's bad...Try listening to the Yankees radio broadcast sometime...2 useless homer shtickers...Like listening to my best friend's Jewish grandparents try to broadcast a game with as much Borsct Belt humor as possible...GDB not being able to stomach your own team's broadcasts...
