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***OFFICIAL Yankees vs Indians ALDS Thread*** (1 Viewer)
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Bobcat10
Footballguy
Now you are on our side. 
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WOOT!
Dought Man
Footballguy
Good season Yankees... you guys were extremely gritty and plucky just to get to the playoffs...
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
Man I hate it when the season ends...
So deflating...
you follow a team daily for 6-7 months, and then whoosh, it's over...
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So deflating...
you follow a team daily for 6-7 months, and then whoosh, it's over...
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By the way, as a die hard Sox fan I have to say that it was important to me that the Sox win the Division and then go on to contend and (hopefully) win the Series. (As opposed to chasing the Yankees from the Wild Card.) Would have been cool to fight the Yankees in the ALCS with home field, but it it feels every ounce as good that the Yankees are irrelevant. Cleveland was the better team and deserved to move on. Lots of work to be done for the Sox against a talented team with momentum. In my opinion, much better baseball than a bunch of bats hoping to win the lottery despite mediocre pitching. Only so far that throwing nothing but money at a problem will take you.
Sox, though, have the best team they've fielded in the modern era. Much better than 2004. Only things I'd trade with that team are a solid fourth starter and Trot Nixon for Drew. Plus Cabrera had a better bat than Lugo... Other than that, just love this Boston team. And also love October ball!
Sox, though, have the best team they've fielded in the modern era. Much better than 2004. Only things I'd trade with that team are a solid fourth starter and Trot Nixon for Drew. Plus Cabrera had a better bat than Lugo... Other than that, just love this Boston team. And also love October ball!
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Newslang
Footballguy
I feel you man, we still have fb though...we'll always have september....Man I hate it when the season ends...
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
Sundays Rule
Footballguy
Is it April yet?This was realllly tough considering how far they clawed back. I think theres going to be some massive changes this offseason, the way this team always seems to go cold at the wrong moment is depressing. Indians played a great series and Bostons in for a fight, should be a great ALCS, too bad I wont be watching.I hope A-Rod stays...we might not have even been here if it wasn't for him carrying the team in some early season games.I feel you man, we still have fb though...we'll always have september....Man I hate it when the season ends...So deflating...you follow a team daily for 6-7 months, and then whoosh, it's over...####
SeveredHorseHeads
Footballguy
Might?Is it April yet?This was realllly tough considering how far they clawed back. I think theres going to be some massive changes this offseason, the way this team always seems to go cold at the wrong moment is depressing. Indians played a great series and Bostons in for a fight, should be a great ALCS, too bad I wont be watching.I feel you man, we still have fb though...we'll always have september....Man I hate it when the season ends...
So deflating...
you follow a team daily for 6-7 months, and then whoosh, it's over...
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I hope A-Rod stays...we might not have even been here if it wasn't for him carrying the team in some early season games.
NY/NJMFDIVER
Footballguy
congrats to the Tribe, they came to play(hitting .500 with 2 out RISP shows that) and their pitchers executed. There were things that opened my eyes, like Gutteriez's D in right which will be big in the Fens as well as the bullpen depth outside of Betancourt and Perez(having a Fultz to throw at Ortiz for an AB in the 6th ever night is HUGE).
As for the Yanks, I'm speechless. I know the tribe pitched, but man, outside of Mariano and Damon, which vets came to play? Jeter and Posada taking AB's like that with Torre's job on the line in the 9th? I'm filled with an overwhelming feeling of "whatever" right now, as I already digested losing this series after Game 2. I had some real hopes for this particular bunch, and while the Tribe are a very good team(my pick to win it all right now), you have to beat good teams in the playoffs. Its silly to compare it to years past.
My only consideration is, I do hope they bring Torre back. After thinking about it, there is no overwhelming candidate out there that would contrast Torre enough to warrant a change. The future is quite bright and I think Joe can still do it, but if A-Rod leaves, he leaves. Given the choice, I'd take him back, but not at an inflated rate. If someone wants to drop 300 million with him, go with God A-Rod and we'll see you. Its time to step back from being top heavy on the offense. Lets face it, there are a lot of bullies who compile stats on this team against lesser lights in blowout games but aren't much for getting the clutch knock. At least not since Game 3 of the 2004 ALCS.
I don't know, its hard to digest this yet, all I can say is Go Tribe, you came to play and it showed and they play good baseball. What a turnaround for Wedge, I'm glad to see it. I won't be into this series until Game 3 or 4 though, baseball can go on the shelf for a few days.
As for the Yanks, I'm speechless. I know the tribe pitched, but man, outside of Mariano and Damon, which vets came to play? Jeter and Posada taking AB's like that with Torre's job on the line in the 9th? I'm filled with an overwhelming feeling of "whatever" right now, as I already digested losing this series after Game 2. I had some real hopes for this particular bunch, and while the Tribe are a very good team(my pick to win it all right now), you have to beat good teams in the playoffs. Its silly to compare it to years past.
My only consideration is, I do hope they bring Torre back. After thinking about it, there is no overwhelming candidate out there that would contrast Torre enough to warrant a change. The future is quite bright and I think Joe can still do it, but if A-Rod leaves, he leaves. Given the choice, I'd take him back, but not at an inflated rate. If someone wants to drop 300 million with him, go with God A-Rod and we'll see you. Its time to step back from being top heavy on the offense. Lets face it, there are a lot of bullies who compile stats on this team against lesser lights in blowout games but aren't much for getting the clutch knock. At least not since Game 3 of the 2004 ALCS.
I don't know, its hard to digest this yet, all I can say is Go Tribe, you came to play and it showed and they play good baseball. What a turnaround for Wedge, I'm glad to see it. I won't be into this series until Game 3 or 4 though, baseball can go on the shelf for a few days.
DA RAIDERS
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There's a knee jerk reaction every year when the Yanks first get eliminated from the playoffs. EVERYONE'S GONE.
While I believe Torre's gone...
I don't think the team will be as different as most think come April.
While I believe Torre's gone...
I don't think the team will be as different as most think come April.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
FWIW from my perspective the Indians won this series more than the Yankees lost it. Just sayin'.
Reaper
Footballguy
CONGRATS... ENJOY IT AND GOOD LUCK!!!!!!!!Best Wishes to Cleveland Fans!!!!I think this sums up my feelings:
Now to try and do work on 4.5 hours sleep...
Reaper
Footballguy
The Yankees pitching came up small and the timely hits weren't there But YEAH DAMN.... Cleveland played Some GREAT BASEBALL all around. Pitching, Hitting Fielding, they nailed it.
Darth Cheney
Footballguy
I don't have a problem with that. .500 with RISP and two outs is nice. Although I won't give credit to Paul Byrd for the lack of Yankee O at the beginning of game 4.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
Bobcat10
Footballguy
Lupica said on Mike and Mike that he expects ARod to leave and expect a 10yr/300-350M contract. Do you Yorkers like Lupica? Most of us just know him from the Sports Reporters.
Was glad to see TBS about to show highlights after the game, but instead go right to Torre's presser like they got interruped with breaking stuff.
Then Sportscenter shows game highlights which leads right into the tape of Torre's presser for at least 2-3 minutes, I shut it off.
It's just real funny. Some of you might not get this though.
Was glad to see TBS about to show highlights after the game, but instead go right to Torre's presser like they got interruped with breaking stuff.
Then Sportscenter shows game highlights which leads right into the tape of Torre's presser for at least 2-3 minutes, I shut it off.
It's just real funny. Some of you might not get this though.
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
Ugh.
Big Blue Wrecking Crew
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From what I can recall, Lupica is a Yankee hater, so it makes sense that he sees A-Rod leaving.As far as them looking different, I don't really see it. Who would want any of the following at their salaries:MussinaGiambiDamonAbreu (not sure what it costs to keep him)Biggest change will be the turnover in the rotation with the youngsters. Will be interesting to see if Jabba the Hut turns into anything once he is in the regular rotation. Was glad to see him lose a little luster in the playoffs.
Doctor Detroit
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Team Option for 2008 worth $16M or a $2M buyout
RedRaiders
Mr. +EV
I think you mean win one.
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
Yeah, Wang's not a #1...He's a great #3, a good #2 IMO...Just not overpowering enough...Too many balls in play, too many baserunners...Between Hughes, Chamberlain (I really think they will start him next season), Kennedy, and Wang, I think they have a shot at having a very solid rotation for a while to come...
shadyridr
Footballguy
IMO all Id do this offseason if I was the Yankees would be to try and resign the whole offense, resign Mariano, and pray that Hughes and Chamberlain develop into Sabathia/Carmona type aces. They also need some bullpen help.
Capella
Footballguy
I don't think Kennedy is any better than a 4/5 guy, tops. The Yanks will buy somebody better than him.Joba starting? Seems like a much better fit as a closer.If the Yanks make a bunch of moves (losing ARod, Posada, etc) the gap in the division to teams like the Jays and Rays is going to close quicker than I think people imagine. The annual post-season trips may be grinding to a halt if they go through any sort of an overhaul.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
If they are gonna do an overhaul I think now would be the right time because I agree with you about the gap closing. If Tampa sinks some money into the team and adds some vets, keeps Pena, and for God's sake finds some bullpen help they are gonna be tough. Blue Jays have a good core.
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
Not sure why you are that down on Kennedy...His minor league profile is excellent, and although it was only 3 starts, he pitched VERY well in the majors this season...Chamberlain has been a starter in college and for most of this past season in the minors...He was moved to the pen b/c the Yank pen was so bad...He has 4 excellent pitches, and is far more valuable as a starter, IMO...
INDIANSummer
Footballguy
TRIBE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RedRaiders
Mr. +EV
Kennedy's upside is probably even better then Hughes. Not a 4/5 - more of a 2/3.
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
I agree that Kennedy has Tremendous Upside, but I think Hughes' upside is ace #1 material...He has a sterling minor league resume, with a 2.09 career ERA in 275 minor league innings with a 5X1 K/BB ratio and a .86 WHIP
As the youngest pitcher in the majors this year (he's still only 21) he acquitted himself pretty well, especially since most of his struggles came when he was coming back from a leg injury...
And he was out 2nd best pitcher (behind Pettitte) in the LDS, saving our hide in Game 3...
Look, we all know that pitching prospects can burn out in a moment, but I think the Yankee's young pitching talent is as good as anyone's in the league...
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
While looking at The Plain Dealer website, somebody posted on a forum this nugget:
Shappy's wife's HOT!!
And before anyone goes to the
card, I don't have TiVO so someone else will have to drag it up.
BTW, thanks Yanks fan for a good series.
Shappy's wife's HOT!!
And before anyone goes to the
card, I don't have TiVO so someone else will have to drag it up.BTW, thanks Yanks fan for a good series.
Capella
Footballguy
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
Yeah, Clippard is teh suckI was thinking of Clippard.
Balco
Footballguy
A couple thoughts from a non yankee fan on the offseason:
1. I understand the loyalty factor, but they need to let Posada walk, if he is looking for anything more than a 2 year deal. I know, he had a great season - he is 36 years old. The Yanks need to invest their mounds of money elsewhere.
2. They should do everything in their power to keep ARod, but I think there is about a 1 % chance of him staying. The New York fans and media have been brutal, and he will have opportunities to play in big markets. His loss is going to be huge.
3. They need to resist splurging on Andruw Jones or Torii Hunter, two players that will soon be declining in a big way in a very demanding position.
4. They need to address pitching. Wang is a solid # 2/3, and Petite is a solid # 3/4. But they don't have a guy like Beckett or Santana that they can count on to consistently pitch well. They should make a play for Santana, and I am sure the Twins would want Hughes. And the Yankees should jump at the offer. Santana at the head of the rotation is pretty darn good. Hughes gets a ton of love, but he is still an unknown. If they move Joba to the rotation, they are going to have the worst middle relief corps in MLB. I think he needs to stay in the pen - as the closer. He has filthy stuff. Mariano said he wants to test the waters - they need to let him go (see Posada comment).
1. I understand the loyalty factor, but they need to let Posada walk, if he is looking for anything more than a 2 year deal. I know, he had a great season - he is 36 years old. The Yanks need to invest their mounds of money elsewhere.
2. They should do everything in their power to keep ARod, but I think there is about a 1 % chance of him staying. The New York fans and media have been brutal, and he will have opportunities to play in big markets. His loss is going to be huge.
3. They need to resist splurging on Andruw Jones or Torii Hunter, two players that will soon be declining in a big way in a very demanding position.
4. They need to address pitching. Wang is a solid # 2/3, and Petite is a solid # 3/4. But they don't have a guy like Beckett or Santana that they can count on to consistently pitch well. They should make a play for Santana, and I am sure the Twins would want Hughes. And the Yankees should jump at the offer. Santana at the head of the rotation is pretty darn good. Hughes gets a ton of love, but he is still an unknown. If they move Joba to the rotation, they are going to have the worst middle relief corps in MLB. I think he needs to stay in the pen - as the closer. He has filthy stuff. Mariano said he wants to test the waters - they need to let him go (see Posada comment).
Darth Cheney
Footballguy
C
1B
2B Cano
SS Jeter
3B
LF
CF Cabrera
RF Abreu
SP Wang
SP Pettite
SP Chamberlain
SP Hughes
SP Kennedy
RP
RP
RP
CL
What do you guys think the realistic scenario is for this team next year? SP isn't in order from Ace to 5th.....but someone out of these five has to be a legit number one. I'm fine with the SP like this. Also how do Damon, Giambi and Matsui fit into this? As much as fans want to torch A-Rod, not bringing him back almost assures you of a few years of borderline playoff chances at best.
1B
2B Cano
SS Jeter
3B
LF
CF Cabrera
RF Abreu
SP Wang
SP Pettite
SP Chamberlain
SP Hughes
SP Kennedy
RP
RP
RP
CL
What do you guys think the realistic scenario is for this team next year? SP isn't in order from Ace to 5th.....but someone out of these five has to be a legit number one. I'm fine with the SP like this. Also how do Damon, Giambi and Matsui fit into this? As much as fans want to torch A-Rod, not bringing him back almost assures you of a few years of borderline playoff chances at best.
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
Not sure Abreu is a guarantee at all...
His contract calls for a team option of $16 million....
That's a bunch to pay for a soft .300 hitter who barely drove in 100 runs batting 3rd for the Yankees with severely declining power...He's also a horrible defensive player...
He can take a walk (which fits into the Yanks supposed MO) and still steal a base despite an ever-widening midsection, but with Damon, Cabrera and Matsui already signed in the OF, I wouldn't be shocked to see them decline the option
His contract calls for a team option of $16 million....
That's a bunch to pay for a soft .300 hitter who barely drove in 100 runs batting 3rd for the Yankees with severely declining power...He's also a horrible defensive player...
He can take a walk (which fits into the Yanks supposed MO) and still steal a base despite an ever-widening midsection, but with Damon, Cabrera and Matsui already signed in the OF, I wouldn't be shocked to see them decline the option
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
Signed a 2 year deal last offseason worth 23 million, so we're on the hook for one more year at 11.5 million
Bobcat10
Footballguy
I'm sure they already have their emails drafted for the day CC and Santana hit free agency after next season. Why pay now for what you're gonna land later? They will get one of these guys. And they'll go with Hughes, Wang, Pettitte, Mussina next year, along with either an overpriced rental arm or another youngster. Odds are Pettitte and Mussina miss starts, making their young pitching needed either way.Balco said:
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wilked
Footballguy
I know that...just didn't see him listed as a SP above. He is the new $12MM long man?
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
I doubt that...I think he'll be in the mix at 4/5 or so...I do think there's a decent chance Pettitte declines his player option ($16 million) and doesn't come back if Torre goes (which would not thrill me, I like Pettitte, and he showed he still has some big game chops in Game 2)
