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So much for the week off to relax...

Pulled this from Twitter:

AdamSchefter: Filed to ESPN: Raiders informed Tom Cable they will not pick up the option in his contract. He no longer is the Raiders head coach.

2 minutes ago

Given that this is from Schefter it carries some weight.

Given that it's from Schefter about the Raiders, I have my doubts.

(Edited because I'm an idiot and mis-read the tweet)

(Edited a 2nd time to post the PFT link)

PFT Report of Schefters Report

 
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It seems nuts to not pick up Cable's contract. What good coach would want to work for Al after how he's treated his coaches? And it's not like this is some kind of stacked team ready for a Super Bowl run.

 
This is interesting...

Also from Twitter:

michaelbush29

I haven't heard anything about nothing yet.

 
this is likely a move for Hue Jackson promotion
Perhaps, but:Raiders grant permission for offensive coordinator Hue Jackson to talk to 49ers

http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/c...?nclick_check=1
Yah if Al Davis wante Hue as his HC why would he allow the 49ers to interview him?My guess is he's settled on Cable or going for Harbaugh.
Well, Hue doesn't have to get permission to interview during the off-season, so it's just a formality.
 
this is likely a move for Hue Jackson promotion
Perhaps, but:Raiders grant permission for offensive coordinator Hue Jackson to talk to 49ers

http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/c...?nclick_check=1
Yah if Al Davis wante Hue as his HC why would he allow the 49ers to interview him?My guess is he's settled on Cable or going for Harbaugh.
Harbaugh doesn't seem like a Davis type move. Davis needs to find the guy from the rough to show how good he is at evaluating talent. Harbaugh is a 'known' commodity.
 
this is likely a move for Hue Jackson promotion
Perhaps, but:Raiders grant permission for offensive coordinator Hue Jackson to talk to 49ers

http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/c...?nclick_check=1
Yah if Al Davis wante Hue as his HC why would he allow the 49ers to interview him?My guess is he's settled on Cable or going for Harbaugh.
Harbaugh doesn't seem like a Davis type move. Davis needs to find the guy from the rough to show how good he is at evaluating talent. Harbaugh is a 'known' commodity.
Mangini is in the rough right now.
 
this is likely a move for Hue Jackson promotion
Perhaps, but:Raiders grant permission for offensive coordinator Hue Jackson to talk to 49ers

http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/c...?nclick_check=1
Yah if Al Davis wante Hue as his HC why would he allow the 49ers to interview him?My guess is he's settled on Cable or going for Harbaugh.
Harbaugh doesn't seem like a Davis type move. Davis needs to find the guy from the rough to show how good he is at evaluating talent. Harbaugh is a 'known' commodity.
Al Davis was interested in Jim Harbough last off-season so its possible that he would love to get him yet. I would love to get a Jim Harbough but with Al's recent history I don't see it happening.I'm sure Hue Jackson is the play here. He will be promoted to HC.

 
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Al will pay for a bargain-basement coach like he always does. He'll hit on 1 of 7 or 8 and have a good run, but I think Cable was going in the right direction. Actually, strike that. Cable should have been left in charge of the O line and turned that into a GREAT unit and let some other poor schmuck be Al's "Yes" man and reap the rewards. I want the RB from whatever team hires Cable as the O line coach. Cable may not have been the right coach to get this team over the hump, and I'd like to see Hue do that, but seems like a coach finally has this team fired up. Sad to see that go.

 
Raiders players on not happy with the move at all. Lechlar said that it could hurt the Raiders with their current free agents, including Gallery. Gallery was said that Cable helped to turn his career around. With Gallery being a free agent and if not franchise tagged he could possibly leave via free agency. I can't blame our good players for wanting to leave. Every time the organization takes a step forward, Al Davis shoots the organization in the foot and we take two steps back.

 
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bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
Odd move, the raiders are finally going in a positive direction and they fire their HC?
Not to be nit-picky but they didn't fire him. They did not pick up the team option on his contract.
 
krsone21 said:
Raiders players on not happy with the move at all. Lechlar said that it could hurt the Raiders with their current free agents, including Gallery. Gallery was said that Cable helped to turn his career around. With Gallery being a free agent and if not franchise tagged he could possibly leave via free agency. I can't blame our good players for wanting to leave. Every time the organization takes a step forward, Al Davis shoots the organization in the foot and we take two steps back.
This is my biggest concern. Replacing what Cable brought to the table might be easy. Getting the team to buy into another scheme, again, will be the difficult part. As a fan of the team I feel that they just took a step in the wrong direction. I don't find it hard to imagine that the players would feel the same way. The uncertainty of not knowing who your boss is going to be, or how the operation will be run, can't leave the players with a good feeling as the walk away from what should have been viewed as a positive season.
 
Michigan AD said he thought Harbaugh is staying in the NFL, and going to take a "really, really challenging job."

Hey, thats us!

 
I just want Harbaugh to go somewhere. Don't care where as long as it's out of the Pac-10.
My attitude is, if we keep Hue, we are maintaining continuity. Fine. No one thought Cable was a fantastic coach, maybe Hue will be better. I would have probably preferred to keep Cable one more year, but fine. If we get Harbaugh, we are getting a young offensive coach, who knows Al, and knows what he's getting into. Up and comer, no problem. Any other realistic candidate (no Gruden, Cowher, Fisher etc.) is gonna be a step back.
 
Well Harbaugh can be crossed off the list. If it's true that Miami is coming to the table with a $7m offer, there is no chance that Davis will come close to paying that amount for a coach.

 
Well Harbaugh can be crossed off the list. If it's true that Miami is coming to the table with a $7m offer, there is no chance that Davis will come close to paying that amount for a coach.
Completely. Those are some shocking numbers. If Harbaugh can get that, go with god, brother.Happy with Hue, that's my motto.
 
Well Harbaugh can be crossed off the list. If it's true that Miami is coming to the table with a $7m offer, there is no chance that Davis will come close to paying that amount for a coach.
Completely. Those are some shocking numbers. If Harbaugh can get that, go with god, brother.Happy with Hue, that's my motto.
So Hue takes over and continues running the offense, and I assume Marshall continues to run the defense. Same as it ever was.So where is the genius in cutting Cable loose? To save a few bucks and risk losing the locker room? Very short-sighted. :thumbdown:
 
Well Harbaugh can be crossed off the list. If it's true that Miami is coming to the table with a $7m offer, there is no chance that Davis will come close to paying that amount for a coach.
Completely. Those are some shocking numbers. If Harbaugh can get that, go with god, brother.Happy with Hue, that's my motto.
So Hue takes over and continues running the offense, and I assume Marshall continues to run the defense. Same as it ever was.So where is the genius in cutting Cable loose? To save a few bucks and risk losing the locker room? Very short-sighted. :no:
Nah, I think it's one of two things:1. The big man thinks Cable isn't the answer, and maybe they have gone as far as they can with him, and why not start the new regime now? If Hue gets bumped up, (and really, we all saw it coming when he was hired) we keep the continuity of the offense. The defense doesn't matter, we've had that continuity, tragically, for 20 years. The players know him, they like him, there's a good chance he's more organized and focused than Cable. Cable was the best realistic choice at the time, the Kiffin debacle was during the season, we HAD to have an internal guy take over, right then. And getting rid of JaMarcus, and a lot of young players blossoming, the team was going to be better. It's amazing how competitive the team was with just a below average to average QB in there. But maybe the big man thinks, 'this guy is limited, he was a good bridge to better times, but he's not the guy to take us to the promised land. ' I think Davis likes cerebral offensive coaches, that are gonna gameplan to get the playmakers the ball, one-on-one. I don't think he thinkss Cable is gonna design a gameplan that is gonna beat people. But maybe Hue could. or2. The big man is totally off his rocker.
 
Well Harbaugh can be crossed off the list. If it's true that Miami is coming to the table with a $7m offer, there is no chance that Davis will come close to paying that amount for a coach.
Completely. Those are some shocking numbers. If Harbaugh can get that, go with god, brother.Happy with Hue, that's my motto.
So Hue takes over and continues running the offense, and I assume Marshall continues to run the defense. Same as it ever was.So where is the genius in cutting Cable loose? To save a few bucks and risk losing the locker room? Very short-sighted. :no:
Nah, I think it's one of two things:1. The big man thinks Cable isn't the answer, and maybe they have gone as far as they can with him, and why not start the new regime now? If Hue gets bumped up, (and really, we all saw it coming when he was hired) we keep the continuity of the offense. The defense doesn't matter, we've had that continuity, tragically, for 20 years. The players know him, they like him, there's a good chance he's more organized and focused than Cable. Cable was the best realistic choice at the time, the Kiffin debacle was during the season, we HAD to have an internal guy take over, right then. And getting rid of JaMarcus, and a lot of young players blossoming, the team was going to be better. It's amazing how competitive the team was with just a below average to average QB in there. But maybe the big man thinks, 'this guy is limited, he was a good bridge to better times, but he's not the guy to take us to the promised land. ' I think Davis likes cerebral offensive coaches, that are gonna gameplan to get the playmakers the ball, one-on-one. I don't think he thinkss Cable is gonna design a gameplan that is gonna beat people. But maybe Hue could.

or

2. The big man is totally off his rocker.
I agree with point #1 in this situation... and agree with point #2 in nearly everything else Raider related!To add to that... Cable wanted Gradkowski to start... Davis wanted Campbell to start. I think I read somewhere (maybe even in this thread) that the 6 games they won in the division - Campbell started. And yet Cable was still hot and heavy for Gradkowski. That couldn't have sat to well with the old guy.

Found this fairly interesting as well. Looks like the players heard the news the same way the rest of us did:

Thomas Howard talking about the decision...

 
The Raiders discontinuity at the head coaching position is one that is likely to set back the organization in the short run, but will benefit the organization in the long run.

In reality, we all knew that Cable was nothing more than a loyal and good soldier and willing minion to Mr. Davis. But the Cable guy was never going to hold his own against the better coaches in the league, nor elevate his team to the next level. He clearly lacks the in-game management skills to play the chess game of coaching an NFL team against the Bill Belicheck minds. I think he did a decent job this year and his value was getting down in the dirt and relating with the players. His team never quit on him, but they were at times very ill prepared.

The turning point of the season was heading into the bye week at 5-4, red hot on a 3 game win streak. Coming out of the bye, with a big time opponent in the Steelers, they failed to show up at all. It wasn’t so much that they lost, but the way they lost. It was like Cable told them to go ahead and take a second bye week. So a letdown may not have surprised anyone. It was the big bad Steelers, right? But we beat them last year. Coming off that week, we had the woeful Dolphins at home. This was a game we were going to dominate, right? But we got whupped on and the score wasn’t even as close as it looked.

I give you the 2 games after the bye as the reason Cable had to be fired. That post bye swoon was the death of the Raiders playoff hopes. Oh, they did go on to three more conference wins, but it was too little and too late for Cable. His “We ain’t losers anymore” mantra rang hollow. Sweeping the division and not making the playoffs just creates a future obscure trivia question.

Cable did as well as his limited capabilities could take him. It’s time to hopefully replace him with some capable at this level. The elephant in the room going forward is that there are still hand-picked incompetent coaches like WR’s coach Sanjay Lal, and he is a small sample the Davis regime dysfunction Cable has had to endure. Who knows if we can get a real coach would agree to Davis management framework?

If it is Hue, (and I am not sold on Hue) why would they let him talk to the 49ers? It doesn’t look like the Raiders truly covet him. For the most part, Hue energized the offensive playcalling from a year ago. But the playcalling against the 49ers and Dolphins was extremely limited, and I blame him for those losses as much as the players not being ready to play (something I blame Cable for).

As for Jim Marshall, it’s hard to feel empathy for him. He was a willing minion for the single deep man coverage 70’s defense that Al Davis insists will work. He knew what he was stepping into. He looked lost at times, and I’d not be surprised if he doesn’t return. The problem isn’t coaching on this side of the ball, it’s big Al.

Overall, going forward, the Raiders have some nice pieces on both sides of the ball. Aided by some excellent draft picks, this team could compete next year. But to get there, it will probably be a bumpy road early in the season before players ramp back up to speed, and by then it’ll be another year of being the late season “spoiler”. Oh those “plucky” Raiders. Ugh!

But in the end, I agree with Mr. Davis that Cable needed to go. That’s on the premise that you expect the playoffs or bust. But if your expectations would be to just not lose double digit losses like we did the previous 7 years, then Cable should have stayed.

But Big Al knows his clock is ticking, and he’s living on borrowed time. He needed to swing for the fences, and get a new coach.

Question is, does that coach exist out there that could give Al his last Championship before taking his dirt nap?

 
Dr. Awesome said:
CGRdrJoe said:
I'm hearing dumped of Vince Young being signed, please don't happen :rolleyes:
Vince Young would be an improvement over Campbell.
:shrug:
This year VY had a 98.6 qb rating. 10 touchdowns vs. 3 interceptions. Campbell: 84.5 qb rating. 13 touchdowns vs. 8 interceptions.
Vince is like Cable, maybe. Good stopgap that won't take you to the promised land. I've been following the Young debate, and really, it has to say something that the owner, Bud Adams, is letting him go. All the numbers, the passer rating, blah blah blah, and the owner is going to bounce him. The stuff we don't see must be worse that what we have seen from Vince.
 
By Jerry McDonaldOakland TribunePosted: 01/09/2011 09:54:31 PM PSTUpdated: 01/10/2011 09:29:10 AM PSTRelatedJan 9:Bear with me a moment, because I'm about to do something that goes against the grain of every right-minded amateur and professional general manager or football expert. The incentives that voided the contract of Raiders Pro Bowl cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha make complete sense. Across the e-mail, blog, Twitter and talk radio landscape, crazy ol' Al Davis has been taken to task, and the Raiders vilified for being so incompetent as to not realize there was language in Asomugha's contract which could set him free after two years. On the heels of dumping coach Tom Cable, much to the chagrin of a large part of its roster, Asomugha will -- after a Collective Bargaining Agreement is reached -- be able to field offers from anyone willing to write a big enough check for his services. The Raiders know all about this, because they wrote the book on writing the check. The three-year deal Asomugha signed following the 2008 season for $45.3 million was met with dismay by 31 other teams because the market had been reset impossibly high. If you want to know why Darrelle Revis didn't show up to training camp with the Jets this year, look no farther than the Raiders' deal with Asomugha. At the time, the Raiders had both Asomugha and Pro Bowl punter Shane Lechler up for free agency. Asomugha had been franchised for $9.8 million in 2008, and Lechler's contract had expired. The Raiders reeled both in by paying over the going rate. Way over the going rate. Within Asomugha's deal, unknown until uncovered by ESPN's Adam Schefter Sunday, were likely-to-be-earned incentives that if not met, would automatically void the deal. One was playing time, and Asomugha played less in 2010 than he did in 2009 because of an ankle injury, missing two games. The others were performance based. If Asomugha had so much as a single interception, a single sack, a single fumble recovery or a single forced fumble, there was no void. In that case, the Raiders would have to decide whether to pay Asomugha $16.8 million or the average of the top five quarterbacks in the NFL, whichever was higher. In a year when Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, and Drew Brees were in line for new contracts, no less. There's a famous ``Seinfield'' episode about a television pilot about ``nothing.'' That's Asomugha in a nutshell. Because he is so good at covering receivers, Asomugha is the most lonely member of the Raiders defense. Quarterbacks simply don't throw in his direction. He didn't give up a single touchdown pass this season. That's all well and good, but it's a bottom line business, and the Raiders still gave up 29 touchdown passes and had 12 interceptions this season. If there's a ripple effect from Asomugha's lockdown skills, it's impossible to detect. Over the past three seasons, including his franchise year, Asomugha has played 45 of 48 games. In those three years, the Raiders gave up 65 touchdown passes and Asomugha had two interceptions. The Raiders were 18-30 overall, but 2-1 when Asomugha was out of the lineup. For that, he was paid $38.3 million. Asomugha is the Raiders' most thoughtful interview, a team leader, a consummate professional and someone who thinks well beyond football in terms of philanthropic interests. His picture could go next to the word ``class'' in the dictionary. When Charles Woodson was with the Raiders, he was known for late nights, sleeping during meetings and letting his prodigious athletic skills make up the difference. Yet in the two years when Woodson was franchised, pocketing $19.3 million for 19 games (he missed 13 due to injury), he was just as ignored as Asomugha by opposing quarterbacks and managed two interceptions, 2 ½ sacks, 11 passes defensed and three forced fumbles. In those 19 games, Woodson had 103 tackles, and while tackles aren't an official statistic, Asomugha has 76 tackles and one forced fumble in his last 45 games. He played 14 games this season and had 19 tackles. That's three less than Hiram Eugene, two more than Rock Cartwright. Woodson was a football player, Asomugha an able tackler himself but more of a cover guy. He's a specialist in the way that Lechler, Sebastian Janikowski and long-snapper Jon Condo are the highest-paid specialists in the NFL. Lechler, Seabass and Condo actually have duties with the football far more often than Asomugha. Even if the Raiders are at least partially at fault for scheme and not putting Asomugha in position to make enough plays, there is zero justification for paying a guy who covers receivers without making plays in the same ballpark as you would pay for Brady, Manning and Brees in terms of yearly salary. So while the Raiders are getting criticized for including a contract void for no statistical production on a $16.8 million (or more) option year, I have a question. Why wouldn't they include one? If you're scheduled to pay a player that much and he doesn't have any one of those statistics in his favor, maybe you shouldn't be paying him that much. The Raiders should absolutely do whatever they can to bring Asomugha back, but weigh it against his contributions to the bottom line, how they'll use him and what the market will bear. If Asomugha chooses to join Revis with the New York Jets for bigger money or what he believes is a better chance at the Super Bowl, so be it. As brilliant as Asomugha was at covering receivers in Oakland, it didn't begin to cover for weaknesses elsewhere. He was a luxury on a team not yet good enough to afford one.
 
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To all the tools that only had negative comments about Al Davis,

Don't bother attempting to show respect for the man now. You had disdain for him then, don't try to fake it now. He wouldn't want to hear it and would respect you less for your two-faced nature. I grew up a Seahawk fan and vividly remember getting beat up by the Raiders. In the 80s many of our biggest wins/losses were against the hated Raiders. We didn't like them, but it was hard not respect them.

Two days ago I'm standing on the second tee getting ready to drive. My good buddy standing behind me says, "let er rip Lamonica" because I tend to be a boom bust off the tee kind of guy. I immediately turned around and commented that I don't hear a lot of people giving credit to coach Al for this resurgence we're seeing in the Raiders, but he sure took a lot of crap when they were losing.

RIP, coach. You will be missed.

 

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