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Jene Bramel
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He looked good enough to get up and down the line in making four solos last week. I didn't see the same explosion last week as he had in 2005, so I wouldn't call him a DL1 again yet. He's got an interesting run of matchups before the bye week, though, so we'll see where things stand pretty quickly.And
on the veteran for the sneaky AC question. 
stevegamer
Footballguy
I think Osi's back to startable, but not must start territory.
However, the Eagles are likely without William (Tre) Thomas this week - doubtful.
However, the Eagles are likely without William (Tre) Thomas this week - doubtful.
-OZ-
Footballguy
He looked good enough to get up and down the line in making four solos last week. I didn't see the same explosion last week as he had in 2005, so I wouldn't call him a DL1 again yet. He's got an interesting run of matchups before the bye week, though, so we'll see where things stand pretty quickly.Andon the veteran for the sneaky AC question.
Picklepete
Footballguy
Holy crap !! 6 sacks tonight, that was a must start if ever I saw one.Of course..I had him on my bench ! aauugghh
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
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IDP is all about (if you start 7-11 players) getting the best players you can and having them produce for the year. Not one game.
Sure you still use match ups and try and play hot players, but the greater majority sees players work themselves out appropriatley.
But they are certainly high-low producers on a weekly basis for many of them. Especially at DL/OLB.
I love me some Osi!
Along with Justin Tuck too. Covering for a bye.
Close game I was having... lol... not anymore.
IDP is all about (if you start 7-11 players) getting the best players you can and having them produce for the year. Not one game.
Sure you still use match ups and try and play hot players, but the greater majority sees players work themselves out appropriatley.
But they are certainly high-low producers on a weekly basis for many of them. Especially at DL/OLB.
I love me some Osi!
Along with Justin Tuck too. Covering for a bye.
Close game I was having... lol... not anymore.
stevegamer
Footballguy
Congratulations to all you who got a win because of Ois - and the eagles refusal to give Winston Justice any help. That was a mind-boggling protection scheme - if you can even call it a scheme.
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
You're not kidding. I really felt bad for McNabb. He never had a chance. They were all over him from the jump.
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
Sorry, fella. Total sacks by defensive ends against Philadelphia prior to last night -- 0. I assumed there'd continue to be some effort paid to blocking the front four. And given the shaky talent of the Giants' corners, there was really zero reason not to run some max protection schemes and try to beat the press coverage one-on-one. 12 sacks is completely and totally ridiculous.-OZ- said:He looked good enough to get up and down the line in making four solos last week. I didn't see the same explosion last week as he had in 2005, so I wouldn't call him a DL1 again yet. He's got an interesting run of matchups before the bye week, though, so we'll see where things stand pretty quickly.Andon the veteran for the sneaky AC question.
-OZ-
Footballguy
no reason to be sorry, I'm joking. But, reading this does reemphasize 2 things - first, I played the odds and lost, second that sacks are highly unpredictable, you play your best players and look at matchups, but in the end, you just never know what will happen.Sorry, fella. Total sacks by defensive ends against Philadelphia prior to last night -- 0. I assumed there'd continue to be some effort paid to blocking the front four. And given the shaky talent of the Giants' corners, there was really zero reason not to run some max protection schemes and try to beat the press coverage one-on-one. 12 sacks is completely and totally ridiculous.-OZ- said:He looked good enough to get up and down the line in making four solos last week. I didn't see the same explosion last week as he had in 2005, so I wouldn't call him a DL1 again yet. He's got an interesting run of matchups before the bye week, though, so we'll see where things stand pretty quickly.Andon the veteran for the sneaky AC question.
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
The bolded part is why DL are very hard to pick on a weekly basis. The difference between a good week and a bad week for a DL is often one sack. They get credit for a sack and a tackle.
stevegamer
Footballguy
This is terribly true. I blame this on the coaching staff. I figured Justice would struggle, and he did - but to give no help was crazy. Madden kept pointing it out, I have no idea why they chose not to adjust at halftime.Sorry, fella. Total sacks by defensive ends against Philadelphia prior to last night -- 0. I assumed there'd continue to be some effort paid to blocking the front four. And given the shaky talent of the Giants' corners, there was really zero reason not to run some max protection schemes and try to beat the press coverage one-on-one. 12 sacks is completely and totally ridiculous.-OZ- said:He looked good enough to get up and down the line in making four solos last week. I didn't see the same explosion last week as he had in 2005, so I wouldn't call him a DL1 again yet. He's got an interesting run of matchups before the bye week, though, so we'll see where things stand pretty quickly.And
Here's the problem I have with Osi's stat line last night. All 6 tackles Osi had were from sacks and considering every one was pretty much the fault of Winston Justice and the fact that Reid refused to give him any help I can't but wonder if this performance will turn out to be an aberration. Prior to last night Osi couldn't manage any more than 4 tackles & 1 assist which is not even close to stud DL production. Has the defense really come alive or was last night just a product of horrible line play? To be sure I really would not like to leave 36 points on the bench again, but realistically I can't really see him getting close to that again. Not to turn this into a WDIS post, but can I really sit Robert Mathis for him in the future and expect big things from him? My head says no, but my heart says yes...I may just shoot for the moon next week and take my chances.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
stevegamer
Footballguy
You didn't watch the game, I take it. At least one, perhaps two of those sacks came when he was coming up the middle, and Justice shouldn't have been responsible.Osi was widely thought to be a stud or stud in the making, and I think he's back to a must start. He's been getting better since the injury, and this was a DOMINANT performance. He just missed a few other times, as well. If you could take the game tape, and replace his uniform # with 56, people could easily think it was Taylor.He will probably have no more than 6 sacks the rest of the way, but they do have juicy matchups later on for sacks. You don't know when they will come, so you almost have to keep him in. I guess its steady vs. boom/bust, again.
I was being facetious... OK, so most of the sacks were his fault.
Nathan R. Jessep
Footballguy
I sat him for Kampman, Schoebel and Geathers. As someone above hinted to, he hadn't done jack thus far this year, so there wasn't really a reason to start him. And as I stated in the Week 4 venting thread, I just wish all my other DLs had been hurt this week, so I would have had to start him.
houndirish
Footballguy
I've been frustrated with Osi's play of late and thought he appeared tentative in most action prior to the Eagles game. His injury and the subsequent reporting of it after week 1 was very vague so I was fearing that this might be a case where a defender suffers from a mystery ailment that doesn't get much press yet as a fantasy owner you're left pulling your hair out for 16 weeks wondering why your stud IDP isn't producing, while the player quietly suffers through a nagging injury.
That being said I got lucky last night! My DL 1 is Will Smith. I also picked up both Marques Douglas and Jarvis Green and have been happy with the results. Had Smith not been on bye I would've sat Osi in favor of one of those guys. However I wasn't comfortable going with two waiver pickups over what I felt should've been more proven production so instead I started Osi and sat Douglas. In a young season where I feel I've been woefully short on good luck I finally caught a break ... and I don't feel at all guilty about it!!!
As for Osi moving forward, it's hard to state a steadfast rule of start em vs. sit 'em. It's always going to depend on who else is on your roster as well as the opponent. As a Giants homer I can't confidently say that the broken defense is suddenly fixed. They went through an eerily similar trend a year ago when they gave up yardage in chunks to Peyton and Hasselbeck in the beginning weeks of the season, only to right the ship and play effective D for a solid 5-6 week stretch. I will say rookie Aaron Ross appears to be a huge upgrade over Corey Webster. Ross has shown a penchant for physical play, a trait few scouts labeled him with in college. Webster was playing so horribly he wasn't even worthy of a spot in the nickel. Sam Madison played his best game as a Giant in the win over the Redskins. So I will say the secondary is definitely improved over the first two weeks of the season, but then again I'm not sure how it could've gotten worse. The Giants have talented enough players on defense that they can give teams trouble but they absolutely must get pressure on the QB to be successful. If they sit back and drop into coverage there isn't a QB in the league that won't carve 'em up.
I will say it's great to finally see some creative blitz packages. Johhny Lynn had the most remedial blitz schemes I've ever seen. Tim Lewis took it up a notch but was still unimaginitive. I can't remember the last time I saw the Giants blitz schemes thoroughly frustrate an opponent, especially one with a Pro Bowl QB.
That being said I got lucky last night! My DL 1 is Will Smith. I also picked up both Marques Douglas and Jarvis Green and have been happy with the results. Had Smith not been on bye I would've sat Osi in favor of one of those guys. However I wasn't comfortable going with two waiver pickups over what I felt should've been more proven production so instead I started Osi and sat Douglas. In a young season where I feel I've been woefully short on good luck I finally caught a break ... and I don't feel at all guilty about it!!!
As for Osi moving forward, it's hard to state a steadfast rule of start em vs. sit 'em. It's always going to depend on who else is on your roster as well as the opponent. As a Giants homer I can't confidently say that the broken defense is suddenly fixed. They went through an eerily similar trend a year ago when they gave up yardage in chunks to Peyton and Hasselbeck in the beginning weeks of the season, only to right the ship and play effective D for a solid 5-6 week stretch. I will say rookie Aaron Ross appears to be a huge upgrade over Corey Webster. Ross has shown a penchant for physical play, a trait few scouts labeled him with in college. Webster was playing so horribly he wasn't even worthy of a spot in the nickel. Sam Madison played his best game as a Giant in the win over the Redskins. So I will say the secondary is definitely improved over the first two weeks of the season, but then again I'm not sure how it could've gotten worse. The Giants have talented enough players on defense that they can give teams trouble but they absolutely must get pressure on the QB to be successful. If they sit back and drop into coverage there isn't a QB in the league that won't carve 'em up.
I will say it's great to finally see some creative blitz packages. Johhny Lynn had the most remedial blitz schemes I've ever seen. Tim Lewis took it up a notch but was still unimaginitive. I can't remember the last time I saw the Giants blitz schemes thoroughly frustrate an opponent, especially one with a Pro Bowl QB.
