Otis diet fad of the month thread - Potato mania!!1 (1 Viewer)

[Keerock]

I think that dressing was a WHOLE lot of sugar.

But that was a delicious dish. Chicken was divine and the cabbage was tasty.

Olive oil + balsamic vinegar + Splenda + Black pepper/garlic salt/etc.

That sounds great without Splenda.

Aren't artificial sweetners one of the worst things for the human body? I refuse to use them.

Stevia works too (natural calorie free)... but I agree I don't need my dressing to be sweet.

Some folks it has to be. Just depends on what you're going for.

In any event. Make a batch of that dressing once or twice a week (It can glob up on ya if sits too long).

Walter White used it to his advantage...

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Correct, the thought that insulin is not driven by fat has been vigorously thrown out.

I can't tell what this sentence means. You're saying fat drives insulin?

 

[culdeus]

Correct, the thought that insulin is not driven by fat has been vigorously thrown out.

I can't tell what this sentence means. You're saying fat drives insulin?

Of course it does. This was one of the things early paleo critics latched onto as evidence they didn't know what the duck they were talking about.

Anyone with a non functioning pancreas knew that for 100s of years

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Are you saying that dietary fat is what drives a post-meal spike in insulin?

That's contrary to the info I've seen, which suggests that high-carbohydrate foods cause the largest insulin response, and high-protein foods also cause an insulin response that is disproportionately large compared to their effects on blood glucose. High-fat foods like peanuts have a very low insulin score.

 

[culdeus]

Are you saying that dietary fat is what drives a post-meal spike in insulin?

That's contrary to the info I've seen, which suggests that high-carbohydrate foods cause the largest insulin response, and high-protein foods also cause an insulin response that is disproportionately large compared to their effects on blood glucose.

define post meal in minutes.

While you are there Google "pizza effect type 1 diabetes"

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Are you saying that dietary fat is what drives a post-meal spike in insulin?

That's contrary to the info I've seen, which suggests that high-carbohydrate foods cause the largest insulin response, and high-protein foods also cause an insulin response that is disproportionately large compared to their effects on blood glucose.

define post meal in minutes.

The study in the paper I linked to measured it every 15 minutes for two hours and scored it as the total area under the curve.

 

[culdeus]

Are you saying that dietary fat is what drives a post-meal spike in insulin?

That's contrary to the info I've seen, which suggests that high-carbohydrate foods cause the largest insulin response, and high-protein foods also cause an insulin response that is disproportionately large compared to their effects on blood glucose.

define post meal in minutes.

The study in the paper I linked to measured it every 15 minutes for two hours and scored it as the total area under the curve.

Ok, well that makes sense. I take a closed loop system approach to things. 2 hours is too short a duration and is merely convenient for subjects who can't fast.

For insulin response:

Carbs: Directly dependent on the availability of the carb to break down. There is obviously the handy "Glycemic Index" which measures this on a scale of (roughly) 1-100 where 100 is table sugar. Lower promotes less insulin response. Higher, more.

Protein: Dependent on the quality of the AA profile. Protein will promote a insulin response through glucogenesis when it takes place. This is an important differentiation between animal flesh, dairy, and legumes. Interestingly, the oldest diabetes drug in existence was an extract of the French Day Lily. There is thought that the greeks and romans used this. Today it is commonly sold under the generic brand metformin. This "drug" impinges on the protein->carb pathway and in most patients as a result causes a 10-25% drop in body fatness in the first 6 weeks. I'm not totally sure why someone hasn't marketed this as a diet drug yet :mansion?:

Fats: Fats digest slower and have no pathway to glucose. Depending on the type of fat and the composition of the meal 2-8 hours later the fat in a meal will promote an insulin response. This response can be in many ways equal to or greater than the kCal of an equivalent serving of carbs.

I am not a hyperinsulima person at all. I think most of those theories are vastly oversimplified and don't take into account the reams and reams of data which is already staring us in the face.

 

[UniAlias]

I like turtles.

 

[culdeus]

Are you saying that dietary fat is what drives a post-meal spike in insulin?

That's contrary to the info I've seen, which suggests that high-carbohydrate foods cause the largest insulin response, and high-protein foods also cause an insulin response that is disproportionately large compared to their effects on blood glucose.

define post meal in minutes.

The study in the paper I linked to measured it every 15 minutes for two hours and scored it as the total area under the curve.

The real reason why they took such a short duration is human insulin has a 15 min holdoff with a 90 minute peak. So measuring this in this way gets the initial response well controlled. Artificial insulin has roughly a 25 min holdoff with a 120 min peak. There are insulin in development now with shorter peaks than human insulin.

There are already paleo type1s that can get lower HBA1C than adults on standard diets FWIW.

There are also a zillion and one long term studies using the newer continuous monitors which will vastly improve our knowledge of insulin responses to certain foods and how they may contribute to body fatness. Most of these finger stick studies suffer from sample size issues and other problems.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Are you saying that dietary fat is what drives a post-meal spike in insulin?

That's contrary to the info I've seen, which suggests that high-carbohydrate foods cause the largest insulin response, and high-protein foods also cause an insulin response that is disproportionately large compared to their effects on blood glucose.

define post meal in minutes.

The study in the paper I linked to measured it every 15 minutes for two hours and scored it as the total area under the curve.

I'm not entirely clear on this, but I believe with calorie dense combinations of high fat and high carb, like pizza or candy bars, the fat delays absorption of the carbs for as long as 12 hours. This is important for calculating insulin doses in diabetics.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Good stuff, culdeus. Thanks.

 

[culdeus]

Are you saying that dietary fat is what drives a post-meal spike in insulin?

That's contrary to the info I've seen, which suggests that high-carbohydrate foods cause the largest insulin response, and high-protein foods also cause an insulin response that is disproportionately large compared to their effects on blood glucose.

define post meal in minutes.

The study in the paper I linked to measured it every 15 minutes for two hours and scored it as the total area under the curve.

I'm not entirely clear on this, but I believe with calorie dense combinations of high fat and high carb, like pizza or candy bars, the fat delays absorption of the carbs for as long as 12 hours. This is important for calculating insulin doses in diabetics.

The easiest test for this is to compare someone eating an egg white vs. a whole egg in a fasting individual. The egg white will result in next to no insulin response in a 2 hr period. A whole egg will start to manifest itself nearly immediately. And it's not because of the minuscule amount of carbs.

The better comparison to the above is a serving of garbanzo beans. This is a food that has the nutritional profile of a starchy tuber, but acts totally different in the gut and behaves just like the unhealthy foods we are supposed to fear for their insulima. (That being said some paleo types run away from beans for this very reason, among others)

 

[Homer J Simpson]

I also like turtles.

 

[Slapdash]

Are you saying that dietary fat is what drives a post-meal spike in insulin?

That's contrary to the info I've seen, which suggests that high-carbohydrate foods cause the largest insulin response, and high-protein foods also cause an insulin response that is disproportionately large compared to their effects on blood glucose.

define post meal in minutes.

The study in the paper I linked to measured it every 15 minutes for two hours and scored it as the total area under the curve.

I'm not entirely clear on this, but I believe with calorie dense combinations of high fat and high carb, like pizza or candy bars, the fat delays absorption of the carbs for as long as 12 hours. This is important for calculating insulin doses in diabetics.

The easiest test for this is to compare someone eating an egg white vs. a whole egg in a fasting individual. The egg white will result in next to no insulin response in a 2 hr period. A whole egg will start to manifest itself nearly immediately. And it's not because of the minuscule amount of carbs.

The better comparison to the above is a serving of garbanzo beans. This is a food that has the nutritional profile of a starchy tuber, but acts totally different in the gut and behaves just like the unhealthy foods we are supposed to fear for their insulima. (That being said some paleo types run away from beans for this very reason, among others)

So, what is the takeaway here for losing weight? Sounds like you're saying fat and refined carbs have similar impacts on insulin and therefore fat storage.

 

[St. Louis Bob]

I like turtles.

I also like turtles.

100% true story. Seriously, no shtick.

Me and my two BFF's were fishing (in a boat) late into the day about 15 years ago, quite wasted if you can believe that. One BFF in sort of a comatose state says "I like turtles" as he was spying them on a log. Nobody else was talking so needless to say, me and other BFF were . We'll still throw out a "I like turtles" every once in awhile. So that video is about a million on the hilarity scale for me.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

Did 3 miles on the treadmill at the Y today. 90% of it was walking, but would run or adjust the speed to keep my heartrate over 150 and sweating like a whore in church.

3.5 MPH at a 3% incline is a pretty good workout for a fat out-of-shape ******* like myself.

 

[culdeus]

Are you saying that dietary fat is what drives a post-meal spike in insulin?

That's contrary to the info I've seen, which suggests that high-carbohydrate foods cause the largest insulin response, and high-protein foods also cause an insulin response that is disproportionately large compared to their effects on blood glucose.

define post meal in minutes.

The study in the paper I linked to measured it every 15 minutes for two hours and scored it as the total area under the curve.

I'm not entirely clear on this, but I believe with calorie dense combinations of high fat and high carb, like pizza or candy bars, the fat delays absorption of the carbs for as long as 12 hours. This is important for calculating insulin doses in diabetics.

The easiest test for this is to compare someone eating an egg white vs. a whole egg in a fasting individual. The egg white will result in next to no insulin response in a 2 hr period. A whole egg will start to manifest itself nearly immediately. And it's not because of the minuscule amount of carbs.

The better comparison to the above is a serving of garbanzo beans. This is a food that has the nutritional profile of a starchy tuber, but acts totally different in the gut and behaves just like the unhealthy foods we are supposed to fear for their insulima. (That being said some paleo types run away from beans for this very reason, among others)

So, what is the takeaway here for losing weight? Sounds like you're saying fat and refined carbs have similar impacts on insulin and therefore fat storage.

I don't think insulin is a carrier for fat storage. Nor do I believe in the hyperinsulima theory of fatness. Insulin just catches too much blame because it's a well understood pathway and the link between it and type 2 diabetes is so strong it became a catch-all.

Insulin is there to protect your body from hemoglobin, primarily. You don't want to use too much of it because over time your body gets tired of twinkies and just gives up trying.

 

[St. Louis Bob]

I came here to post that I've noticed when I eat a lot of smoked salmon, I seem to lose weight a lot faster. (For those of you that don't read the GMTAN, there's a local grocery with a bunch of locations that smokes salmon and probably delicious BBQ out in the parking lot.) I used to eat it just about every day but six bucks a pop 5-6 days a week along with a $4-5 small salad adds up real fast.

I think I've read someplace that Omega3's help burn fat but it's possible that I've just imagined it. I'll wait for Tremblay, I agree with everything he says because he's the smartest guy I've ever encounter. I hope he doesn't start a cult.

 

[St. Louis Bob]

Did 3 miles on the treadmill at the Y today. 90% of it was walking, but would run or adjust the speed to keep my heartrate over 150 and sweating like a whore in church.

3.5 MPH at a 3% incline is a pretty good workout for a fat out-of-shape ******* like myself.

 

[Slapdash]

Are you saying that dietary fat is what drives a post-meal spike in insulin?

That's contrary to the info I've seen, which suggests that high-carbohydrate foods cause the largest insulin response, and high-protein foods also cause an insulin response that is disproportionately large compared to their effects on blood glucose.

define post meal in minutes.

The study in the paper I linked to measured it every 15 minutes for two hours and scored it as the total area under the curve.

I'm not entirely clear on this, but I believe with calorie dense combinations of high fat and high carb, like pizza or candy bars, the fat delays absorption of the carbs for as long as 12 hours. This is important for calculating insulin doses in diabetics.

The easiest test for this is to compare someone eating an egg white vs. a whole egg in a fasting individual. The egg white will result in next to no insulin response in a 2 hr period. A whole egg will start to manifest itself nearly immediately. And it's not because of the minuscule amount of carbs.

The better comparison to the above is a serving of garbanzo beans. This is a food that has the nutritional profile of a starchy tuber, but acts totally different in the gut and behaves just like the unhealthy foods we are supposed to fear for their insulima. (That being said some paleo types run away from beans for this very reason, among others)

So, what is the takeaway here for losing weight? Sounds like you're saying fat and refined carbs have similar impacts on insulin and therefore fat storage.

I don't think insulin is a carrier for fat storage. Nor do I believe in the hyperinsulima theory of fatness. Insulin just catches too much blame because it's a well understood pathway and the link between it and type 2 diabetes is so strong it became a catch-all.

Insulin is there to protect your body from hemoglobin, primarily. You don't want to use too much of it because over time your body gets tired of twinkies and just gives up trying.

Do you have some good links to look through on this? Been about 5 years since internalized the logic laid out about insulin in the Primal community. Interested to see more.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Do you have some good links to look through on this? Been about 5 years since internalized the logic laid out about insulin in the Primal community. Interested to see more.

On the role of insulin in body fat storage, here is a good link.

(There's also the five-part series starting here, which I admit to having started in on a few times but never having made it very far.)

 

[Otis]

Here's a discussion of red wine on Atkins. At least these people seem to think it's not a big deal, likely delays your ketosis effects a few hours, or at worse, if you really binge, 2-3 days.

Wife's 30th tonight, I can't put this diet ahead of her, especially with her taking care of an infant and stressed to the gills. Cracking a couple bottles of red. We're having it with sashimi, and I've had nearly zero carbs today, so I expect at 1-4 g of carbs or so per glass, I'll have no problems staying in the normal daily limit.

OT

 

[MAC_32]

Here's a discussion of red wine on Atkins. At least these people seem to think it's not a big deal, likely delays your ketosis effects a few hours, or at worse, if you really binge, 2-3 days.

Wife's 30th tonight, I can't put this diet ahead of her, especially with her taking care of an infant and stressed to the gills. Cracking a couple bottles of red. We're having it with sashimi, and I've had nearly zero carbs today, so I expect at 1-4 g of carbs or so per glass, I'll have no problems staying in the normal daily limit.

OT

bargaining, the beginning of the end.Good run...

 

[Otis]

Here's a discussion of red wine on Atkins. At least these people seem to think it's not a big deal, likely delays your ketosis effects a few hours, or at worse, if you really binge, 2-3 days.

Wife's 30th tonight, I can't put this diet ahead of her, especially with her taking care of an infant and stressed to the gills. Cracking a couple bottles of red. We're having it with sashimi, and I've had nearly zero carbs today, so I expect at 1-4 g of carbs or so per glass, I'll have no problems staying in the normal daily limit.

OT

bargaining, the beginning of the end.Good run...

Bad shtick imo.

 

[MAC_32]

Here's a discussion of red wine on Atkins. At least these people seem to think it's not a big deal, likely delays your ketosis effects a few hours, or at worse, if you really binge, 2-3 days.

Wife's 30th tonight, I can't put this diet ahead of her, especially with her taking care of an infant and stressed to the gills. Cracking a couple bottles of red. We're having it with sashimi, and I've had nearly zero carbs today, so I expect at 1-4 g of carbs or so per glass, I'll have no problems staying in the normal daily limit.

OT

bargaining, the beginning of the end.Good run...

Bad shtick imo.

follow through and prove me wrong.

 

[Otis]

Here's a discussion of red wine on Atkins. At least these people seem to think it's not a big deal, likely delays your ketosis effects a few hours, or at worse, if you really binge, 2-3 days.

Wife's 30th tonight, I can't put this diet ahead of her, especially with her taking care of an infant and stressed to the gills. Cracking a couple bottles of red. We're having it with sashimi, and I've had nearly zero carbs today, so I expect at 1-4 g of carbs or so per glass, I'll have no problems staying in the normal daily limit.

OT

bargaining, the beginning of the end.Good run...

Bad shtick imo.

follow through and prove me wrong.

Ahhhhh. GOOD shtick.

 

[Chaka]

I hope he doesn't start a cult.

IN!

 

[Homer J Simpson]

Here's a discussion of red wine on Atkins. At least these people seem to think it's not a big deal, likely delays your ketosis effects a few hours, or at worse, if you really binge, 2-3 days.

Wife's 30th tonight, I can't put this diet ahead of her, especially with her taking care of an infant and stressed to the gills. Cracking a couple bottles of red. We're having it with sashimi, and I've had nearly zero carbs today, so I expect at 1-4 g of carbs or so per glass, I'll have no problems staying in the normal daily limit.

OT

Get drunk every once in a while, GB. It won't set you back much as long as you don't make any late night Taco Bell runs.

 

[kevzilla]

Best of luck, Otis. And remember, there's always someone out there fatter and with less discipline than you.

 

[Otis]

Best of luck, Otis. And remember, there's always someone out there fatter and with less discipline than you.

(I might have a slice of birthday cake)

 

[Chase Stuart]

Even though I'm not really dieting, this thread has been pretty good motivation. My main goals were to just (1) eat a little healthier and (2) eat a little less. I'm happy if I lose 10 pounds over 3 months.

Normally, I would have had a sandwich (ham, turkey, one slice of cheese) for dinner with some chips and a scotch tonight. That's not terrible (okay, I guess it's not great) and I had yogurt/granola for breakfast and a salad for lunch, so that would seem reasonable. But this thread gave me some motivation, so I decided to run 2 miles tonight and also have the sandwich without any bread. I'm not doing Atkins (I wouldn't even want to, as I'm still lifting pretty regularly and need the carbs) but I figured the chips would be enough without the bread. I'm kind of hungry right now -- come to think of it, usually I have a light dessert (maybe my diet is less healthy than I realized), but I'll just have a scotch.

See, this thread has given me willpower. Instead of chips + bread + scotch + desert it's chips + scotch + running. Best of luck to everyone in here, but mostly Otis, since he really needs the support.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Are you saying that dietary fat is what drives a post-meal spike in insulin?

That's contrary to the info I've seen, which suggests that high-carbohydrate foods cause the largest insulin response, and high-protein foods also cause an insulin response that is disproportionately large compared to their effects on blood glucose.

define post meal in minutes.

The study in the paper I linked to measured it every 15 minutes for two hours and scored it as the total area under the curve.

I'm not entirely clear on this, but I believe with calorie dense combinations of high fat and high carb, like pizza or candy bars, the fat delays absorption of the carbs for as long as 12 hours. This is important for calculating insulin doses in diabetics.

The easiest test for this is to compare someone eating an egg white vs. a whole egg in a fasting individual. The egg white will result in next to no insulin response in a 2 hr period. A whole egg will start to manifest itself nearly immediately. And it's not because of the minuscule amount of carbs.

The better comparison to the above is a serving of garbanzo beans. This is a food that has the nutritional profile of a starchy tuber, but acts totally different in the gut and behaves just like the unhealthy foods we are supposed to fear for their insulima. (That being said some paleo types run away from beans for this very reason, among others)

Wait, are garbanzo beans bad for you? I'm having chickpeas in my salads every day now b/c I thought they were healthy.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Did 3 miles on the treadmill at the Y today. 90% of it was walking, but would run or adjust the speed to keep my heartrate over 150 and sweating like a whore in church.

3.5 MPH at a 3% incline is a pretty good workout for a fat out-of-shape ******* like myself.

I'm not sure if you're looking for running advice, but....

I've always been a "lifting" person and never a "cardio" person. I hate hate hate cardio/running. But a 3 min on/1 min off training method has been easily the best cardio plan for me. Obviously you need to adjust the numbers to whatever fits your needs (I'm not in terrible shape, but I'm pathetic compare to a runner) -- and maybe you need to work up to this if you're mostly walking now -- but keep this in mind for the future.

Basically, I can run for 10-15 minutes at 6.5 MPH. What I used to do was run for 10-15 minutes at 6.5 MPH, feel miserable the entire 10-15 minutes, feel like I was going to die at the end, and then finish. I hated the whole thing.

Now, I'll run for 3 minutes at 6.5, then walk for 1 minute at 3.0, then run for 3 minutes at 6.5, walk for 1, etc. Do that 5 times. Or six times. Or ten times. Once you're good at that, go to 3 minutes at 7.0, 1 minute at 3.0 5 times, 6 times, etc. Once you're up to 10, then do 4 minutes at 6.5, 1 minute at 3.0, and so on. It's really easy to make steady progress, although I got up to something good and then quit for 6 months.

I don't know how "good" this workout plan is, but I like it for three reasons.

1) It's actually doable.

2) I don't feel like hell the entire time.

3) I still get a really good sweat/feel like I had a good run without the death feeling.

Obviously you adjust this for your fitness level, but the 3 min on, 1 min walk thing has been a huge improvement for me. If you're in worse shape than I was, just do 2 mins on, 1 min off. But I think this is something that's easy to "stick with" since I don't feel all that terrible afterwards (but am still getting a good workout in).

 

[St. Louis Bob]

I came here to post that I've noticed when I eat a lot of smoked salmon, I seem to lose weight a lot faster. (For those of you that don't read the GMTAN, there's a local grocery with a bunch of locations that smokes salmon and probably delicious BBQ out in the parking lot.) I used to eat it just about every day but six bucks a pop 5-6 days a week along with a $4-5 small salad adds up real fast.

I think I've read someplace that Omega3's help burn fat but it's possible that I've just imagined it. I'll wait for Tremblay, I agree with everything he says because he's the smartest guy I've ever encounter. I hope he doesn't start a cult.

Mrs. SLB says it is the high protein that makes you lose weight.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Otis, how many glasses of red wine are you at now?

 

[Homer J Simpson]

How about if I do 3 minutes walking, 1 minute running?

I'm in terrible shape. <----For example, that just made me sweat.

 

[Otis]

Even though I'm not really dieting, this thread has been pretty good motivation. My main goals were to just (1) eat a little healthier and (2) eat a little less. I'm happy if I lose 10 pounds over 3 months.

Normally, I would have had a sandwich (ham, turkey, one slice of cheese) for dinner with some chips and a scotch tonight. That's not terrible (okay, I guess it's not great) and I had yogurt/granola for breakfast and a salad for lunch, so that would seem reasonable. But this thread gave me some motivation, so I decided to run 2 miles tonight and also have the sandwich without any bread. I'm not doing Atkins (I wouldn't even want to, as I'm still lifting pretty regularly and need the carbs) but I figured the chips would be enough without the bread. I'm kind of hungry right now -- come to think of it, usually I have a light dessert (maybe my diet is less healthy than I realized), but I'll just have a scotch.

See, this thread has given me willpower. Instead of chips + bread + scotch + desert it's chips + scotch + running. Best of luck to everyone in here, but mostly Otis, since he really needs the support.

 

[Chase Stuart]

How about if I do 3 minutes walking, 1 minute running?

I'm in terrible shape. <----For example, that just made me sweat.

Well, there are many levels of terrible shape, I suppose

Hey, do 3 minutes walking, 1 minute running. Maybe the better way to explain it was:

Old problem = thinking running was about pushing yourself --->> ran at a pretty high speed for as long as I could --> hated it

Now I realize that runner (or any cardio) should really just be about the exercise itself. If, for example, you're tired, decelerate a bit. There's no harm in that. I used to think it was all about setting goals and meeting them, but now I realize it's whatever keeps you on the treadmill longest. At your stage, you probably have the right idea. I've also found that by making the cardio less miserable, next time I'm thinking about doing cardio, I'm less likely to come up with an excuse NOT to go.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Also, how is Otis' wife 30? We're all really old now, aren't we?

 

[Otis]

Otis, how many glasses of red wine are you at now?

Pretty lit up. 4ish. And a slice of red velvet cake. Which honestly made me want to throw up the whole way through. I feel like death after eating that.

Much prefer the way I have been eating all week to this..can't wait till birthdays and babies are not happening. Why can't we celebrate birthdays with avocados and soy chips ...

 

[Homer J Simpson]

Otis, how many glasses of red wine are you at now?

Pretty lit up. 4ish. And a slice of red velvet cake. Which honestly made me want to throw up the whole way through. I feel like death after eating that.

Much prefer the way I have been eating all week to this..can't wait till birthdays and babies are not happening. Why can't we celebrate birthdays with avocados and soy chips ...

I knew you were gonna cave, jerkass.

Did you learn your lesson?

 

[Otis]

Also, how is Otis' wife 30? We're all really old now, aren't we?

Some of us gb. Are you even 30 yet? I married well. She's 8 years younger and a buck twenty thinner. I still resent her for turning 30 today and spoiling my diet. Otherwise she's awesome.

 

[Otis]

Otis, how many glasses of red wine are you at now?

Pretty lit up. 4ish. And a slice of red velvet cake. Which honestly made me want to throw up the whole way through. I feel like death after eating that.Much prefer the way I have been eating all week to this..can't wait till birthdays and babies are not happening. Why can't we celebrate birthdays with avocados and soy chips ...

I knew you were gonna cave, jerkass.

Did you learn your lesson?

This wasn't caving. I dint think you understand the gravity of the situation until it's a Friday night, it's your wife's 30th birthday after just giving birth to your second child a week ago, and the whole week in the house, trapped indoors with a newborn in the worst winter in recorded history, in the midst of a stressful, hormonal situation. Thks want as "cheat." It was self preservation.If anything, this reaffirms what I was already learnibg, which is that I feel awful eating junk, and pretty damn good when I don't. But this wasn't a choice.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

Otis, how many glasses of red wine are you at now?

Pretty lit up. 4ish. And a slice of red velvet cake. Which honestly made me want to throw up the whole way through. I feel like death after eating that.Much prefer the way I have been eating all week to this..can't wait till birthdays and babies are not happening. Why can't we celebrate birthdays with avocados and soy chips ...

I knew you were gonna cave, jerkass.

Did you learn your lesson?

This wasn't caving. I dint think you understand the gravity of the situation until it's a Friday night, it's your wife's 30th birthday after just giving birth to your second child a week ago, and the whole week in the house, trapped indoors with a newborn in the worst winter in recorded history, in the midst of a stressful, hormonal situation. Thks want as "cheat." It was self preservation.If anything, this reaffirms what I was already learnibg, which is that I feel awful eating junk, and pretty damn good when I don't. But this wasn't a choice.

As long as you've learned your lesson, young man.

 

[Politician Spock]

Also, how is Otis' wife 30? We're all really old now, aren't we?

Otis' wife was in high school when we were on Old Yeller.

 

[Chaka]

How about if I do 3 minutes walking, 1 minute running?

I'm in terrible shape. <----For example, that just made me sweat.

That method absolutely works. Look up Jeff Galloway, you can train to run a marathon using that method.

 

[seahawk 17]

Fell off the wagon and I am working my way through a 5th of Absolute. I HATE/love you guys.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Wait, are garbanzo beans bad for you? I'm having chickpeas in my salads every day now b/c I thought they were healthy.

Garbanzo beans are good food. Don't listen to the Atkins (irrational fear of carbs) or Paleo (irrational fear of legumes) peeps on that one.

 

[Otis]

Wait, are garbanzo beans bad for you? I'm having chickpeas in my salads every day now b/c I thought they were healthy.

Garbanzo beans are good food. Don't listen to the Atkins (irrational fear of carbs) or Paleo (irrational fear of legumes) peeps on that one.

Someone posted up a pretty sweet snsck recipe for roasting these things like six months ago. Wife made em, they were great.

 

[James Daulton]

Did 3 miles on the treadmill at the Y today. 90% of it was walking, but would run or adjust the speed to keep my heartrate over 150 and sweating like a whore in church.

3.5 MPH at a 3% incline is a pretty good workout for a fat out-of-shape ******* like myself.

I'm not sure if you're looking for running advice, but....

I've always been a "lifting" person and never a "cardio" person. I hate hate hate cardio/running. But a 3 min on/1 min off training method has been easily the best cardio plan for me. Obviously you need to adjust the numbers to whatever fits your needs (I'm not in terrible shape, but I'm pathetic compare to a runner) -- and maybe you need to work up to this if you're mostly walking now -- but keep this in mind for the future.

Basically, I can run for 10-15 minutes at 6.5 MPH. What I used to do was run for 10-15 minutes at 6.5 MPH, feel miserable the entire 10-15 minutes, feel like I was going to die at the end, and then finish. I hated the whole thing.

Now, I'll run for 3 minutes at 6.5, then walk for 1 minute at 3.0, then run for 3 minutes at 6.5, walk for 1, etc. Do that 5 times. Or six times. Or ten times. Once you're good at that, go to 3 minutes at 7.0, 1 minute at 3.0 5 times, 6 times, etc. Once you're up to 10, then do 4 minutes at 6.5, 1 minute at 3.0, and so on. It's really easy to make steady progress, although I got up to something good and then quit for 6 months.

I don't know how "good" this workout plan is, but I like it for three reasons.

1) It's actually doable.

2) I don't feel like hell the entire time.

3) I still get a really good sweat/feel like I had a good run without the death feeling.

Obviously you adjust this for your fitness level, but the 3 min on, 1 min walk thing has been a huge improvement for me. If you're in worse shape than I was, just do 2 mins on, 1 min off. But I think this is something that's easy to "stick with" since I don't feel all that terrible afterwards (but am still getting a good workout in).

You're describing a kind of HIIT (high intensity interval training) program. From my readings, it's fairly accepted these days that the most effective method of calorie burning exercise is an interval of high heart rate followed by an interval of lower heart rate. While your program isn't the exact same thing, it's in the neighborhood. And anything that helps you actually not hate the exercise (so you actuall do it) is half the battle anyway.