OUTRAGE because cops shoot someone APPARENTLY PULLING GUN on them (1 Viewer)

[Otis]

THREAD TITLE FIXED BECAUSE OMG INNERNET GUYS ARE FREAKING OUT

Where is the outrage over the ####### parents for giving their kid a toy that looks exactly like a deadly weapon, and then turning him loose in a high crime area to stupidly start running around and pulling it on unsuspecting strangers who all were running around scared thinking it was a real gun?

Neat society, people. "I'm a crappy absentee parent, so the good news is I can probably blame the cops and sue for my own stupidity. Maybe even spark some riots."

How refreshing would it be if after one of these tragedies, some decent parents just threw up their hands and said "this was an awful tragedy, we don't blame the poor officer who probably stays awake at night and ruined his career and his life in the line of doing his job."

There are some terrible and dirty cops out there who doing bad and stupid things. This clearly wasn't one of those incidents.

 

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But he was trying to turn his life around... hasn't had multiple charges brought against him in MONTHS.

Edit: Incorrectly assumed this was about parents whining about that kid who got blasted by an off duty cop at a mall after shooting someone from another gang over a pair of Timberland boots. Carry on.

 

[avoiding injuries]

Your post makes too much sense. Good luck with the upcoming responses.

 

[skol asylum]

Cop lives matter.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Where is the outrage over the ####### parents for giving their kid a toy that looks exactly like a dealy weapon, and then turning him loose in a high crime area to stupidly start running around and pulling it on unsuspecting strangers who all were running around scared thinking it was a real gun?

Neat society, people. "I'm a crappy absentee parent, so the good news is I can probably blame the cops and sue for my own stupidity. Maybe even spark some riots."

How refreshing would it be if after one of these tragedies, some decent parents just threw up their hands and said "this was an awful tragedy, we don't blame the poor officer who probably stays awake at night and ruined his career and his life in the line of doing his job."

There are some terrible and dirty cops out there who doing bad and stupid things. This clearly wasn't one of those incidents.

Apparently we need a non-sports HOT TAKES thread

 

[Otis]

Where is the outrage over the ####### parents for giving their kid a toy that looks exactly like a dealy weapon, and then turning him loose in a high crime area to stupidly start running around and pulling it on unsuspecting strangers who all were running around scared thinking it was a real gun?

Neat society, people. "I'm a crappy absentee parent, so the good news is I can probably blame the cops and sue for my own stupidity. Maybe even spark some riots."

How refreshing would it be if after one of these tragedies, some decent parents just threw up their hands and said "this was an awful tragedy, we don't blame the poor officer who probably stays awake at night and ruined his career and his life in the line of doing his job."

There are some terrible and dirty cops out there who doing bad and stupid things. This clearly wasn't one of those incidents.

Apparently we need a non-sports HOT TAKES thread

Good news: Keith already fired one up: https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showforum=2

 

[Cjw_55106]

Where is the outrage over the ####### parents for giving their kid a toy that looks exactly like a dealy weapon, and then turning him loose in a high crime area to stupidly start running around and pulling it on unsuspecting strangers who all were running around scared thinking it was a real gun?

Neat society, people. "I'm a crappy absentee parent, so the good news is I can probably blame the cops and sue for my own stupidity. Maybe even spark some riots."

How refreshing would it be if after one of these tragedies, some decent parents just threw up their hands and said "this was an awful tragedy, we don't blame the poor officer who probably stays awake at night and ruined his career and his life in the line of doing his job."

There are some terrible and dirty cops out there who doing bad and stupid things. This clearly wasn't one of those incidents.

Where's the money to be made in that?

 

[Otis]

Where is the outrage over the ####### parents for giving their kid a toy that looks exactly like a dealy weapon, and then turning him loose in a high crime area to stupidly start running around and pulling it on unsuspecting strangers who all were running around scared thinking it was a real gun?

Neat society, people. "I'm a crappy absentee parent, so the good news is I can probably blame the cops and sue for my own stupidity. Maybe even spark some riots."

How refreshing would it be if after one of these tragedies, some decent parents just threw up their hands and said "this was an awful tragedy, we don't blame the poor officer who probably stays awake at night and ruined his career and his life in the line of doing his job."

There are some terrible and dirty cops out there who doing bad and stupid things. This clearly wasn't one of those incidents.

Where's the money to be made in that?

Every now and then I like to secretly imagine people aren't stupid and terrible.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Where is the outrage over the ####### parents for giving their kid a toy that looks exactly like a dealy weapon, and then turning him loose in a high crime area to stupidly start running around and pulling it on unsuspecting strangers who all were running around scared thinking it was a real gun?

Neat society, people. "I'm a crappy absentee parent, so the good news is I can probably blame the cops and sue for my own stupidity. Maybe even spark some riots."

How refreshing would it be if after one of these tragedies, some decent parents just threw up their hands and said "this was an awful tragedy, we don't blame the poor officer who probably stays awake at night and ruined his career and his life in the line of doing his job."

There are some terrible and dirty cops out there who doing bad and stupid things. This clearly wasn't one of those incidents.

Where's the money to be made in that?

Finally someone in here is courageous enough to take a dump on a family they've never met who lost their 12 year old boy in a senseless killing.

You guys are doing the Lord's work in here. Keep it up!

 

[Cjw_55106]

Where is the outrage over the ####### parents for giving their kid a toy that looks exactly like a dealy weapon, and then turning him loose in a high crime area to stupidly start running around and pulling it on unsuspecting strangers who all were running around scared thinking it was a real gun?

Neat society, people. "I'm a crappy absentee parent, so the good news is I can probably blame the cops and sue for my own stupidity. Maybe even spark some riots."

How refreshing would it be if after one of these tragedies, some decent parents just threw up their hands and said "this was an awful tragedy, we don't blame the poor officer who probably stays awake at night and ruined his career and his life in the line of doing his job."

There are some terrible and dirty cops out there who doing bad and stupid things. This clearly wasn't one of those incidents.

Where's the money to be made in that?

Finally someone in here is courageous enough to take a dump on a family they've never met who lost their 12 year old boy in a senseless killing.

You guys are doing the Lord's work in here. Keep it up!

Arent all killings senseless?

 

[Cjw_55106]

For those who havent seen, here is the gun.

http://www.wwgp1050.com/2015/12/29/prosecutors-release-photo-of-tamir-rices-toy-gun-compared-to-real-gun/

 

[sbonomo]

Where is the outrage over the ####### parents for giving their kid a toy that looks exactly like a deadly weapon, and then turning him loose in a high crime area to stupidly start running around and pulling it on unsuspecting strangers who all were running around scared thinking it was a real gun?

Neat society, people. "I'm a crappy absentee parent, so the good news is I can probably blame the cops and sue for my own stupidity. Maybe even spark some riots."

How refreshing would it be if after one of these tragedies, some decent parents just threw up their hands and said "this was an awful tragedy, we don't blame the poor officer who probably stays awake at night and ruined his career and his life in the line of doing his job."

There are some terrible and dirty cops out there who doing bad and stupid things. This clearly wasn't one of those incidents.

I was thinking the exact same thing when I saw this on the news. There is no way a police officer can tell the difference in a split second. Very sad story but, the parents and the kid are responsible for what happened. They fact that the officer will have to hire legal counsel to defend a frivolous civil lawsuit is just wrong. Welcome to America.

 

[TobiasFunke]

For those who havent seen, here is the gun.

http://www.wwgp1050.com/2015/12/29/prosecutors-release-photo-of-tamir-rices-toy-gun-compared-to-real-gun/

I'd maybe buy the whole "it looked just like a gun!" nonsense if he'd pulled it out and pointed it at them and some reasonable amount of time to evaluate the situation had passed before they mistook it for a real gun. Then you could say, OK, I see how they might have felt that he was actually armed and might have presented a real threat, especially if he pointed the fake weapon at them. But that's not how it happened. Have you seen the video of the shooting? He could have had a rubber chicken in his waistband and it wouldn't have mattered. The cops gunned him down as soon as they got there. How much time between the car coming to a stop and the body dropping to the ground? Maybe a second?

And what about the 911 caller who told the cops it was just a kid and the gun was probably fake? Shouldn't we at least take some time to figure out how that somewhat important detail was somehow lost in translation? Or, even worse, if it wasn't?

 

[Chemical X]

OUTRAGE

SEXY

HE WAS A GREAT SON, JUST THREATENING HIS FATHER WITH A BAT

DEMANDING ANSWERS

CALLING FOR CALM

RINSE, REPEAT

 

[Cjw_55106]

For those who havent seen, here is the gun.

http://www.wwgp1050.com/2015/12/29/prosecutors-release-photo-of-tamir-rices-toy-gun-compared-to-real-gun/

I'd maybe buy the whole "it looked just like a gun!" nonsense if he'd pulled it out and pointed it at them and some reasonable amount of time to evaluate the situation had passed before they mistook it for a real gun. Then you could say, OK, I see how they might have felt that he was actually armed and might have presented a real threat, especially if he pointed the fake weapon at them. But that's not how it happened. Have you seen the video of the shooting? He could have had a rubber chicken in his waistband and it wouldn't have mattered. The cops gunned him down as soon as they got there. How much time between the car coming to a stop and the body dropping to the ground? Maybe a second?

And what about the 911 caller who told the cops it was just a kid and the gun was probably fake? Shouldn't we at least take some time to figure out how that somewhat important detail was somehow lost in translation? Or, even worse, if it wasn't?

Based on your first sentence, there is no reason for further discussion.

 

[General Malaise]

What happened to tasers? Why not use those instead of guns? I didn't see the child threatening the police with a gun in the video. Kind of looked like murder to me.

 

[timschochet]

From what I understand (and there may be more that I am missing), this shooting was a tragic error- not justified, but not something that police officers should be convicted over. Sounds like the grand jury got it right. I listened to an angry protestor on the radio spout nonsense about getting rid of the grand jury system, how this was racism all the way, etc. Ugly stuff.

But the anger of many of our black citizens has to be seen in the larger context that exists of institutionalized racism that exists in this country. Young black males do not receive fair treatment by police. They are under greater suspicion, mistreated, sometimes wrongfully killed. Those are just facts. Given those facts, of course those who are rightfully angry about this reality are going to perceive each and every one of these incidents in a subjective way that blames the police. Who can blame them? I can't. That's what's missing from the OP's outrage.

 

[TobiasFunke]

For those who havent seen, here is the gun.

http://www.wwgp1050.com/2015/12/29/prosecutors-release-photo-of-tamir-rices-toy-gun-compared-to-real-gun/

I'd maybe buy the whole "it looked just like a gun!" nonsense if he'd pulled it out and pointed it at them and some reasonable amount of time to evaluate the situation had passed before they mistook it for a real gun. Then you could say, OK, I see how they might have felt that he was actually armed and might have presented a real threat, especially if he pointed the fake weapon at them. But that's not how it happened. Have you seen the video of the shooting? He could have had a rubber chicken in his waistband and it wouldn't have mattered. The cops gunned him down as soon as they got there. How much time between the car coming to a stop and the body dropping to the ground? Maybe a second?

And what about the 911 caller who told the cops it was just a kid and the gun was probably fake? Shouldn't we at least take some time to figure out how that somewhat important detail was somehow lost in translation? Or, even worse, if it wasn't?

Based on your first sentence, there is no reason for further discussion.

Yes, of course not. God forbid you defend your perspective to someone who does not share it.

The toy gun never made it out of Tamir's waistband before the kid was shot. If you can explain why the similarity of this toy gun to a real gun is relevant when the police never even had a chance to see it before they gunned down this kid, let's hear it. If not, join the club.

 

[General Malaise]

For those who havent seen, here is the gun.

http://www.wwgp1050.com/2015/12/29/prosecutors-release-photo-of-tamir-rices-toy-gun-compared-to-real-gun/

I'd maybe buy the whole "it looked just like a gun!" nonsense if he'd pulled it out and pointed it at them and some reasonable amount of time to evaluate the situation had passed before they mistook it for a real gun. Then you could say, OK, I see how they might have felt that he was actually armed and might have presented a real threat, especially if he pointed the fake weapon at them. But that's not how it happened. Have you seen the video of the shooting? He could have had a rubber chicken in his waistband and it wouldn't have mattered. The cops gunned him down as soon as they got there. How much time between the car coming to a stop and the body dropping to the ground? Maybe a second?

And what about the 911 caller who told the cops it was just a kid and the gun was probably fake? Shouldn't we at least take some time to figure out how that somewhat important detail was somehow lost in translation? Or, even worse, if it wasn't?

Based on your first sentence, there is no reason for further discussion.

Yes, of course not. God forbid you defend your perspective to someone who does not share it.

The toy gun never made it out of Tamir's waistband before the kid was shot. If you can explain why the similarity of this toy gun to a real gun is relevant when the police never even had a chance to see it before they gunned down this kid, let's hear it. If not, join the club.

Was it a pellet gun or a toy gun?

 

[sbonomo]

Where is the outrage over the ####### parents for giving their kid a toy that looks exactly like a dealy weapon, and then turning him loose in a high crime area to stupidly start running around and pulling it on unsuspecting strangers who all were running around scared thinking it was a real gun?

Neat society, people. "I'm a crappy absentee parent, so the good news is I can probably blame the cops and sue for my own stupidity. Maybe even spark some riots."

How refreshing would it be if after one of these tragedies, some decent parents just threw up their hands and said "this was an awful tragedy, we don't blame the poor officer who probably stays awake at night and ruined his career and his life in the line of doing his job."

There are some terrible and dirty cops out there who doing bad and stupid things. This clearly wasn't one of those incidents.

Where's the money to be made in that?

Finally someone in here is courageous enough to take a dump on a family they've never met who lost their 12 year old boy in a senseless killing.

You guys are doing the Lord's work in here. Keep it up!

It is called taking personal responsibility. Heard of it?

 

[Henry Ford]

I'm trying to figure out what story the title of this thread is talking about.

 

[timschochet]

I'm trying to figure out what story the title of this thread is talking about.

Tamir Rice

 

[sbonomo]

What happened to tasers? Why not use those instead of guns? I didn't see the child threatening the police with a gun in the video. Kind of looked like murder to me.

Do you really want to bring a taser to a gun fight? Good luck with that.

 

[Henry Ford]

I'm trying to figure out what story the title of this thread is talking about.

Tamir Rice

No, that can't be it.

 

[Cjw_55106]

For those who havent seen, here is the gun.

http://www.wwgp1050.com/2015/12/29/prosecutors-release-photo-of-tamir-rices-toy-gun-compared-to-real-gun/

I'd maybe buy the whole "it looked just like a gun!" nonsense if he'd pulled it out and pointed it at them and some reasonable amount of time to evaluate the situation had passed before they mistook it for a real gun. Then you could say, OK, I see how they might have felt that he was actually armed and might have presented a real threat, especially if he pointed the fake weapon at them. But that's not how it happened. Have you seen the video of the shooting? He could have had a rubber chicken in his waistband and it wouldn't have mattered. The cops gunned him down as soon as they got there. How much time between the car coming to a stop and the body dropping to the ground? Maybe a second?

And what about the 911 caller who told the cops it was just a kid and the gun was probably fake? Shouldn't we at least take some time to figure out how that somewhat important detail was somehow lost in translation? Or, even worse, if it wasn't?

Based on your first sentence, there is no reason for further discussion.

Yes, of course not. God forbid you defend your perspective to someone who does not share it.

The toy gun never made it out of Tamir's waistband before the kid was shot. If you can explain why the similarity of this toy gun to a real gun is relevant when the police never even had a chance to see it before they gunned down this kid, let's hear it. If not, join the club.

I dont really need to defend anything as Im not involved. My comment "Where's the money to be made in that?" was a general statement about these incidents and the OP wishing someone would take responsibility rather than looking to blame others. Apparently you took offence to that.

Your opening statement, calling it nonsense, makes it pretty clear you arent open to discussion on the incident. Neither of us will change our minds, so I decided to move on.

 

[Chemical X]

I made tamir rice last night. had some naan. was ok.

 

[Henry Ford]

Where is the outrage over the ####### parents for giving their kid a toy that looks exactly like a dealy weapon, and then turning him loose in a high crime area to stupidly start running around and pulling it on unsuspecting strangers who all were running around scared thinking it was a real gun?

Neat society, people. "I'm a crappy absentee parent, so the good news is I can probably blame the cops and sue for my own stupidity. Maybe even spark some riots."

How refreshing would it be if after one of these tragedies, some decent parents just threw up their hands and said "this was an awful tragedy, we don't blame the poor officer who probably stays awake at night and ruined his career and his life in the line of doing his job."

There are some terrible and dirty cops out there who doing bad and stupid things. This clearly wasn't one of those incidents.

Where's the money to be made in that?

Finally someone in here is courageous enough to take a dump on a family they've never met who lost their 12 year old boy in a senseless killing.

You guys are doing the Lord's work in here. Keep it up!

Arent all killings senseless?

No.

 

[General Malaise]

What happened to tasers? Why not use those instead of guns? I didn't see the child threatening the police with a gun in the video. Kind of looked like murder to me.

Do you really want to bring a taser to a gun fight? Good luck with that.

If there's a 12 year old kid in a playground and he's not brandishing his gun at me, I'd probably opt not to gun him down in cold blood, but hey, I'm not bloodthirsty.

 

[sublimeone]

Across the country we employ almost a million of these people. We call on them to handle dangerous situations we don't want to handle ourselves. We expect them to patrol violent areas 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. Places that most of us will never set foot in. So maybe we should give them the benefit of the doubt when something like this happens. The benefit of the doubt that it's a tragedy and not a murder.

 

[General Malaise]

Across the country we employ almost a million of these people. We call on them to handle dangerous situations we don't want to handle ourselves. We expect them to patrol violent areas 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. Places that most of us will never set foot in. So maybe we should give them the benefit of the doubt when something like this happens. The benefit of the doubt that it's a tragedy and not a murder.

Did you type that in your Jack Nicholson "Few Good Men" voice?

 

[Chemical X]

I actually think we should arm police with weapons matching the weapons of assailants. fill the trunk up with stuff.

if you have a knife, cops use knives, you wield a bat, cops use bats, etc.

 

[cstu]

For those who havent seen, here is the gun.

http://www.wwgp1050.com/2015/12/29/prosecutors-release-photo-of-tamir-rices-toy-gun-compared-to-real-gun/

I'd maybe buy the whole "it looked just like a gun!" nonsense if he'd pulled it out and pointed it at them and some reasonable amount of time to evaluate the situation had passed before they mistook it for a real gun. Then you could say, OK, I see how they might have felt that he was actually armed and might have presented a real threat, especially if he pointed the fake weapon at them. But that's not how it happened. Have you seen the video of the shooting? He could have had a rubber chicken in his waistband and it wouldn't have mattered. The cops gunned him down as soon as they got there. How much time between the car coming to a stop and the body dropping to the ground? Maybe a second?

And what about the 911 caller who told the cops it was just a kid and the gun was probably fake? Shouldn't we at least take some time to figure out how that somewhat important detail was somehow lost in translation? Or, even worse, if it wasn't?

The officers were told prior to arriving on the scene that someone was waving a gun and the caller's thought that it may have been a toy gun was not relayed to the officers. When the officers arrived they believed it to be a dangerous situation and when the kid reached for the gun he was shot.

Regarding the bolded, how long should cops give someone to reach for their gun before they shoot them?

 

[General Malaise]

I actually think we should arm police with weapons matching the weapons of assailants. fill the trunk up with stuff.

if you have a knife, cops use knives, you wield a bat, cops use bats, etc.

What if the weapon is a rabid puma?

 

[General Malaise]

For those who havent seen, here is the gun.

http://www.wwgp1050.com/2015/12/29/prosecutors-release-photo-of-tamir-rices-toy-gun-compared-to-real-gun/

I'd maybe buy the whole "it looked just like a gun!" nonsense if he'd pulled it out and pointed it at them and some reasonable amount of time to evaluate the situation had passed before they mistook it for a real gun. Then you could say, OK, I see how they might have felt that he was actually armed and might have presented a real threat, especially if he pointed the fake weapon at them. But that's not how it happened. Have you seen the video of the shooting? He could have had a rubber chicken in his waistband and it wouldn't have mattered. The cops gunned him down as soon as they got there. How much time between the car coming to a stop and the body dropping to the ground? Maybe a second?

And what about the 911 caller who told the cops it was just a kid and the gun was probably fake? Shouldn't we at least take some time to figure out how that somewhat important detail was somehow lost in translation? Or, even worse, if it wasn't?

The officers were told prior to arriving on the scene that someone was waving a gun and the caller's thought that it may have been a toy gun was not relayed to the officers. When the officers arrived they believed it to be a dangerous situation and when the kid reached for the gun he was shot.

Regarding the bolded, how long should cops give someone to reach for their gun before they shoot them?

This is why I'm asking about a taser? They couldn't have tased the bro before he dug into his pants? Did they have to jump out of their car like Butch Cassidy?

 

[Cjw_55106]

Where is the outrage over the ####### parents for giving their kid a toy that looks exactly like a dealy weapon, and then turning him loose in a high crime area to stupidly start running around and pulling it on unsuspecting strangers who all were running around scared thinking it was a real gun?

Neat society, people. "I'm a crappy absentee parent, so the good news is I can probably blame the cops and sue for my own stupidity. Maybe even spark some riots."

How refreshing would it be if after one of these tragedies, some decent parents just threw up their hands and said "this was an awful tragedy, we don't blame the poor officer who probably stays awake at night and ruined his career and his life in the line of doing his job."

There are some terrible and dirty cops out there who doing bad and stupid things. This clearly wasn't one of those incidents.

Where's the money to be made in that?

Finally someone in here is courageous enough to take a dump on a family they've never met who lost their 12 year old boy in a senseless killing.

You guys are doing the Lord's work in here. Keep it up!

Arent all killings senseless?

No.

I disagree. At some level, someone did something senseless.

 

[Henry Ford]

Across the country we employ almost a million of these people. We call on them to handle dangerous situations we don't want to handle ourselves. We expect them to patrol violent areas 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. Places that most of us will never set foot in. So maybe we should give them the benefit of the doubt when something like this happens. The benefit of the doubt that it's a tragedy and not a murder.

Yeah, it's an absolute tragedy, and I don't think it should be a murder charge... but I do think there's some negligent homicide discussion to have about this one. I mean, if he'd accidentally run a kid over while he was in pursuit of a suspect, we'd be talking about possible vehicular manslaughter. Using a gun instead shouldn't make it an untouchable incident.

 

[cstu]

I made tamir rice last night. had some naan. was ok.

I'm not sure if this is in poor taste or sounds delicious.

 

[Henry Ford]

Where is the outrage over the ####### parents for giving their kid a toy that looks exactly like a dealy weapon, and then turning him loose in a high crime area to stupidly start running around and pulling it on unsuspecting strangers who all were running around scared thinking it was a real gun?

Neat society, people. "I'm a crappy absentee parent, so the good news is I can probably blame the cops and sue for my own stupidity. Maybe even spark some riots."

How refreshing would it be if after one of these tragedies, some decent parents just threw up their hands and said "this was an awful tragedy, we don't blame the poor officer who probably stays awake at night and ruined his career and his life in the line of doing his job."

There are some terrible and dirty cops out there who doing bad and stupid things. This clearly wasn't one of those incidents.

Where's the money to be made in that?

Finally someone in here is courageous enough to take a dump on a family they've never met who lost their 12 year old boy in a senseless killing.

You guys are doing the Lord's work in here. Keep it up!

Arent all killings senseless?

No.

I disagree. At some level, someone did something senseless.

Okay.

 

[Henry Ford]

Otis, please change title to "OUTRAGE over story Otis doesn't really know about despite video of the incident being on the internet for months prior to posting this thread."

 

[sbonomo]

What happened to tasers? Why not use those instead of guns? I didn't see the child threatening the police with a gun in the video. Kind of looked like murder to me.

Do you really want to bring a taser to a gun fight? Good luck with that.

If there's a 12 year old kid in a playground and he's not brandishing his gun at me, I'd probably opt not to gun him down in cold blood, but hey, I'm not bloodthirsty.

As a police officer going into a where 911 was called due to youth brandishing a gun they have to assume that the threat is real. Hindsight makes this much easier to nit pick but in the moment they have to assume that they will be shot at. A taser is effective in many situations, perp with a gun is not one of them. You have always seemed like a good guy so we can agree to disagree but I would never ask an officer to put himself in harms way with a taser vs a fire arm.

 

[beer 30]

I actually think we should arm police with weapons matching the weapons of assailants. fill the trunk up with stuff.

if you have a knife, cops use knives, you wield a bat, cops use bats, etc.

What if the weapon is a rabid puma?

I kinda liked where x was going with this then you had to #### all over it

My guess? They would hold back and call int eh K9 unit. Rabid Puma makes much more sense in their trunk than in a standard cop car, no?

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

For those who havent seen, here is the gun.

http://www.wwgp1050.com/2015/12/29/prosecutors-release-photo-of-tamir-rices-toy-gun-compared-to-real-gun/

I'd maybe buy the whole "it looked just like a gun!" nonsense if he'd pulled it out and pointed it at them and some reasonable amount of time to evaluate the situation had passed before they mistook it for a real gun. Then you could say, OK, I see how they might have felt that he was actually armed and might have presented a real threat, especially if he pointed the fake weapon at them. But that's not how it happened. Have you seen the video of the shooting? He could have had a rubber chicken in his waistband and it wouldn't have mattered. The cops gunned him down as soon as they got there. How much time between the car coming to a stop and the body dropping to the ground? Maybe a second?

And what about the 911 caller who told the cops it was just a kid and the gun was probably fake? Shouldn't we at least take some time to figure out how that somewhat important detail was somehow lost in translation? Or, even worse, if it wasn't?

"How did your partner die?"

"A suspect pointed a gun at him but my partner took a few extra seconds to determine if it was a real gun. Turns out it was real."

 

[timschochet]

Across the country we employ almost a million of these people. We call on them to handle dangerous situations we don't want to handle ourselves. We expect them to patrol violent areas 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. Places that most of us will never set foot in. So maybe we should give them the benefit of the doubt when something like this happens. The benefit of the doubt that it's a tragedy and not a murder.

Never. We should never give anyone the benefit of a doubt when a death occurs. Every one of these incidents gets investigated fully. If wrongdoing occurs prosecute. But no assumptions beforehand one way or the other, and the dangerous duties of police officers is irrelevant. That's the job they chose.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Where is the outrage over the ####### parents for giving their kid a toy that looks exactly like a dealy weapon, and then turning him loose in a high crime area to stupidly start running around and pulling it on unsuspecting strangers who all were running around scared thinking it was a real gun?

Neat society, people. "I'm a crappy absentee parent, so the good news is I can probably blame the cops and sue for my own stupidity. Maybe even spark some riots."

How refreshing would it be if after one of these tragedies, some decent parents just threw up their hands and said "this was an awful tragedy, we don't blame the poor officer who probably stays awake at night and ruined his career and his life in the line of doing his job."

There are some terrible and dirty cops out there who doing bad and stupid things. This clearly wasn't one of those incidents.

Where's the money to be made in that?

Every now and then I like to secretly imagine people aren't stupid and terrible.

You are at your most attractive when you are naïve and vulnerable like an under-aged Kansas farm girl who has just arrived in the City running away from home and with dreams of stardom.

Here, come on into my car, its warm and I would be happy to give you a ride.

 

[Cjw_55106]

But the anger of many of our black citizens has to be seen in the larger context that exists of institutionalized racism that exists in this country. Young black males do not receive fair treatment by police. They are under greater suspicion, mistreated, sometimes wrongfully killed. Those are just facts. Given those facts, of course those who are rightfully angry about this reality are going to perceive each and every one of these incidents in a subjective way that blames the police. Who can blame them? I can't. That's what's missing from the OP's outrage.

Never. We should never give anyone the benefit of a doubt when a death occurs. Every one of these incidents gets investigated fully. If wrongdoing occurs prosecute. But no assumptions beforehand one way or the other, and the dangerous duties of police officers is irrelevant. That's the job they chose.

So one group can base actions on their past and perceptions, but another group can not?

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

I actually think we should arm police with weapons matching the weapons of assailants. fill the trunk up with stuff.

if you have a knife, cops use knives, you wield a bat, cops use bats, etc.

What if the weapon is a rabid puma?

That's why there are SWAT teams. The SW in SWAT stands for special weapons. A rabid puma is a special weapon, not a regular one frequently encountered. Come on GM, you are smarter than that. Keep up.

 

[TobiasFunke]

For those who havent seen, here is the gun.

http://www.wwgp1050.com/2015/12/29/prosecutors-release-photo-of-tamir-rices-toy-gun-compared-to-real-gun/

I'd maybe buy the whole "it looked just like a gun!" nonsense if he'd pulled it out and pointed it at them and some reasonable amount of time to evaluate the situation had passed before they mistook it for a real gun. Then you could say, OK, I see how they might have felt that he was actually armed and might have presented a real threat, especially if he pointed the fake weapon at them. But that's not how it happened. Have you seen the video of the shooting? He could have had a rubber chicken in his waistband and it wouldn't have mattered. The cops gunned him down as soon as they got there. How much time between the car coming to a stop and the body dropping to the ground? Maybe a second?

And what about the 911 caller who told the cops it was just a kid and the gun was probably fake? Shouldn't we at least take some time to figure out how that somewhat important detail was somehow lost in translation? Or, even worse, if it wasn't?

The officers were told prior to arriving on the scene that someone was waving a gun and the caller's thought that it may have been a toy gun was not relayed to the officers. When the officers arrived they believed it to be a dangerous situation and when the kid reached for the gun he was shot.

Regarding the bolded, how long should cops give someone to reach for their gun before they shoot them?

I can't say for sure, but I'd say that if their weapons are drawn and pointed should probably wait until they see a gun, at a minimum. Seems like common sense.

I'd be willing to allow that there could be disagreement on whether they reasonably felt endangered, but at a minimum that seems like a question for the jury. Not for a prosecutor (grand juries almost always do the prosecutors bidding, as they did here)

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

For those who havent seen, here is the gun.

http://www.wwgp1050.com/2015/12/29/prosecutors-release-photo-of-tamir-rices-toy-gun-compared-to-real-gun/

I'd maybe buy the whole "it looked just like a gun!" nonsense if he'd pulled it out and pointed it at them and some reasonable amount of time to evaluate the situation had passed before they mistook it for a real gun. Then you could say, OK, I see how they might have felt that he was actually armed and might have presented a real threat, especially if he pointed the fake weapon at them. But that's not how it happened. Have you seen the video of the shooting? He could have had a rubber chicken in his waistband and it wouldn't have mattered. The cops gunned him down as soon as they got there. How much time between the car coming to a stop and the body dropping to the ground? Maybe a second?

And what about the 911 caller who told the cops it was just a kid and the gun was probably fake? Shouldn't we at least take some time to figure out how that somewhat important detail was somehow lost in translation? Or, even worse, if it wasn't?

The officers were told prior to arriving on the scene that someone was waving a gun and the caller's thought that it may have been a toy gun was not relayed to the officers. When the officers arrived they believed it to be a dangerous situation and when the kid reached for the gun he was shot.

Regarding the bolded, how long should cops give someone to reach for their gun before they shoot them?

This is why I'm asking about a taser? They couldn't have tased the bro before he dug into his pants? Did they have to jump out of their car like Butch Cassidy?

Mixing metaphors. Butch Cassidy did not jump out of cars, he jumped off of horses.

 

[Courtjester]

This was a tragedy no doubt for all involved, but the grand jury got it right.

There were zero chances of charges sticking in the case. The rubber cap had been removed, so there was no way you could tell the difference between an airsoft and real gun. A 911 call was made indicating a black male was pointing a gun at people, but the dispatcher left out the part, when relaying to the officers, that the gun could be fake and it could be a juvenile. Furthermore the 911 call was made from the gazebo because the alleged person with the gun was on/by the swings. The officers arrive at the gazebo and by that time, Rice had come over and sat down at this gazebo. So I am reading into this that the officers were surprised when they rolled up and Whoa here is the shooter. In the enhanced video, you can see Rice reach into his pants for the gun and the officer fires twice and kills him. The important piece of evidence that was presented was the gun was found on the ground near the body. So the idea the police just killed someone to kill someone is a joke. You can clearly see Rice grab for the gun and the gun came out far enough to not be in his wasteband anymore.

Had the dispatcher included the part of about it being a kid or the gun a toy, this whole thing may have gone down differently, but these cops did the job they had to do based on the information provided and the split second of a person pulling out a gun on them.

However, the whole cover up and subsequent police report stinks to high heaven.

 

[Cjw_55106]

For those who havent seen, here is the gun.

http://www.wwgp1050.com/2015/12/29/prosecutors-release-photo-of-tamir-rices-toy-gun-compared-to-real-gun/

I'd maybe buy the whole "it looked just like a gun!" nonsense if he'd pulled it out and pointed it at them and some reasonable amount of time to evaluate the situation had passed before they mistook it for a real gun. Then you could say, OK, I see how they might have felt that he was actually armed and might have presented a real threat, especially if he pointed the fake weapon at them. But that's not how it happened. Have you seen the video of the shooting? He could have had a rubber chicken in his waistband and it wouldn't have mattered. The cops gunned him down as soon as they got there. How much time between the car coming to a stop and the body dropping to the ground? Maybe a second?

And what about the 911 caller who told the cops it was just a kid and the gun was probably fake? Shouldn't we at least take some time to figure out how that somewhat important detail was somehow lost in translation? Or, even worse, if it wasn't?

The officers were told prior to arriving on the scene that someone was waving a gun and the caller's thought that it may have been a toy gun was not relayed to the officers. When the officers arrived they believed it to be a dangerous situation and when the kid reached for the gun he was shot.

Regarding the bolded, how long should cops give someone to reach for their gun before they shoot them?

I can't say for sure, but I'd say that if their weapons are drawn and pointed should probably wait until they see a gun, at a minimum. Seems like common sense.

I'd be willing to allow that there could be disagreement on whether they reasonably felt endangered, but at a minimum that seems like a question for the jury. Not for a prosecutor (grand juries almost always do the prosecutors bidding, as they did here)

I think the passenger could have easily seen the gun in the waistband as they pulled up to the scene. As he got out, the kid pulled the gun out.