OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS: Team with worst management? (1 Viewer)

[BigRed]

The Chris Landry thread drove it home to me (not that it was news) - I vote TEN. Tough to pass on OAK, esp after they looked so bad Sunday and the Jeff George circus move, but review TEN's brilliance over the past few years and IMO it's even worse. They've both had mostly poor drafts lately, but at least Moss and Brooks looked like reasonable, perhaps even good (tho obviously risky) FA moves. Jordan was also a good one. Quick, name a good TEN FA move. The best I can come up with is Givens, and I wouldn't exactly hold your breath about that overpaid so-so WR making much noise.

NY has been lame, but I don't think can quite match these 2.

 

[fenwah]

Oakland...hands down

 

[jurb26]

The Chris Landry thread drove it home to me (not that it was news) - I vote TEN. Tough to pass on OAK, esp after they looked so bad Sunday and the Jeff George circus move, but review TEN's brilliance over the past few years and IMO it's even worse. They've both had mostly poor drafts lately, but at least Moss and Brooks looked like reasonable, perhaps even good (tho obviously risky) FA moves. Jordan was also a good one. Quick, name a good TEN FA move. The best I can come up with is Givens, and I wouldn't exactly hold your breath about that overpaid so-so WR making much noise. NY has been lame, but I don't think can quite match these 2.

I'd have to agree. Tenn and Oak seem to be setting the bar rather high right now.

 

[jurb26]

Oakland...hands down

I think if you just wnat to narrow it down to coaching, then yeah Oak wins. As a whole, I think Tenn is the winner.

 

[cws3030]

TEN and OAK both need to

 

[wombat104]

The Lions.....Matt Millen

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Detroit Lions and it's not even close.

49 years and counting since an NFL title

 

[djcolts]

I think the Jets have been unlucky with injuries more than anything.

Detroit's a candidate with Millen as GM.

OAK's problem is that they try to do the same things they did in the 70s, but these days you have to do the little things well to win in the NFL, and they don't do that within their organization - and you can't make that up with talent anymore.

TEN has not drafted well - and they seem to get worse every year. It just sort of shocks me seeing how good that team was a few years ago how fast it can derail.

SF is bad, but they seem to be slowly improving and I at least understand what they are trying to do long term.

 

[Beergogglz]

San Fran -- Dr. and Mrs. Dork have ruined that franchise.....

 

[jurb26]

I think the Jets have been unlucky with injuries more than anything. Detroit's a candidate with Millen as GM.OAK's problem is that they try to do the same things they did in the 70s, but these days you have to do the little things well to win in the NFL, and they don't do that within their organization - and you can't make that up with talent anymore.TEN has not drafted well - and they seem to get worse every year. It just sort of shocks me seeing how good that team was a few years ago how fast it can derail.SF is bad, but they seem to be slowly improving and I at least understand what they are trying to do long term.

I think GB could be up there for the simply fact of how they #####foot around the Favre situation year in and year out anymore.

 

[zamboni]

I don't think the Jets should be nearly up there with Oak and Tenn. Don't forget that two years ago, they were a game away from the AFC Championship and on the rise. Then the wheels came off, but that wasn't management errors, but mainly injuries. I'd say the main gaffes were giving Chad all that dough prematurely (and maybe the drafting of Nugent) but we'll see how that goes.

Mangini and Tannenbaum seem to have the team headed in the right direction, even if it takes a few years to climb back up.

 

[BigRed]

Please. Despite numerous stupidities themselves, DET comes in 3d at most IMO. It's easy to bash in hindsight, but TEN and OAK have made many laughably bad moves that were obvious to seemingly everyone but them AT THE TIME. Nobody (or extremely few) thought Harrington, Rogers, Roy Wms (etc) picks were bad when they were made, in fact many of their picks the consensus was they were good. In fact I'm still PO'd friggin Colts let Shawn Rogers slide by in the 2d or 3d when they so desperately needed DL.

 

[djcolts]

I think the Jets have been unlucky with injuries more than anything. Detroit's a candidate with Millen as GM.OAK's problem is that they try to do the same things they did in the 70s, but these days you have to do the little things well to win in the NFL, and they don't do that within their organization - and you can't make that up with talent anymore.TEN has not drafted well - and they seem to get worse every year. It just sort of shocks me seeing how good that team was a few years ago how fast it can derail.SF is bad, but they seem to be slowly improving and I at least understand what they are trying to do long term.

I think GB could be up there for the simply fact of how they #####foot around the Favre situation year in and year out anymore.

I nearly put something about GB, too. I completely agree on that one.

 

[Godsbrother]

Detroit.

 

[BigRed]

I don't think the Jets should be nearly up there with Oak and Tenn. Don't forget that two years ago, they were a game away from the AFC Championship and on the rise. Then the wheels came off, but that wasn't management errors, but mainly injuries. I'd say the main gaffes were giving Chad all that dough prematurely (and maybe the drafting of Nugent) but we'll see how that goes.Mangini and Tannenbaum seem to have the team headed in the right direction, even if it takes a few years to climb back up.

The more I think about it, the more I agree. IMO it's a 2-horse race.

 

[BlueOnion]

San Fran -- Dr. and Mrs. Dork have ruined that franchise.....

I think people still give the 49ers the benefit of the doubt because of their dominance and how recent it was. The truth be told, not one person in management care about winning football games. How long have they been building that stadium? Who is responsible for their scouting and drafting? Who the F are the Yorks? And you know you hit rock bottom when the Bidwells look down their nose at the ownership of a franchise.This franchise will be lucky to win 8 games in the next 20 years.

 

[Wadsworth]

Slow down now, the Texans have to be mentioned somewhere. Just in the last few years, they gave away a second rounder in the supplimental draft, passed on Bush, gave a 2nd and 3rd for a bad cornerback, ignored DD's injury, among many other fumbles.

The titans, raiders, and lions are tough to beat, but there are other contenders.

 

[Kiddnets]

Jets? They finally have good management and are in the right direction. They did a great job cleaning house and building the new team from the lines out. They resinged Chad at a dirt cheap number and finally have a future in place. I thinkin 2 years they will be a serious contender.

Oakland is a train wreck - I know its one game but that was the worst display I have seen since the Kotite error.

 

[jurb26]

Slow down now, the Texans have to be mentioned somewhere. Just in the last few years, they gave away a second rounder in the supplimental draft, passed on Bush, gave a 2nd and 3rd for a bad cornerback, ignored DD's injury, among many other fumbles. The titans, raiders, and lions are tough to beat, but there are other contenders.

Yeah, Hous could be up there in the mix for sure. Also worth noting IMO is that they say they want to be able to beat Indy and getting to Manning is the best way to to that... yet they totally ignore the most successful way to get to Manning in recent years... a confusing 3-4 speed rush scheme.

 

[djcolts]

Slow down now, the Texans have to be mentioned somewhere. Just in the last few years, they gave away a second rounder in the supplimental draft, passed on Bush, gave a 2nd and 3rd for a bad cornerback, ignored DD's injury, among many other fumbles. The titans, raiders, and lions are tough to beat, but there are other contenders.

Yeah, Hous could be up there in the mix for sure. Also worth noting IMO is that they say they want to be able to beat Indy and getting to Manning is the best way to to that... yet they totally ignore the most successful way to get to Manning in recent years... a confusing 3-4 speed rush scheme.

I was stunned that Houston switched to a 4-3 for that reason.

 

[BlueOnion]

This could really be a fun 8-franchise tournament bracket for voting:

1) Detroit

8) Buffalo

5) NY Jets

4) New Orleans

3) Oakland

6) San Francisco

7) Houston

2) Tennessee

 

[Sheriff66]

Oakland...Al Davis has been a joke for years.

 

[twistd]

Oakland...hands down

I agree wholeheartedly. I don't even think the others are in the race. Do you think the other teams would be turned down, more than once, by coaching candidates? Oakland is offering a head coaching job to guys who have dreamed of getting that opportunity, and they were turned down. That should tell you something.

 

[IM666]

I think GB could be up there for the simply fact of how they #####foot around the Favre situation year in and year out anymore.

Charles Woodson does not help their case either. I think GB at least needs an honorable mention.

 

[mhrutkowski]

Jets don't belong in here

 

[S.K.A.]

Oakland in a walk.

 

[S.K.A.]

Jets don't belong in here

Until they win something, hell yeah they belong here. As does New Orleans, Arizona, Detroit, and Houston

 

[GroveDiesel]

This could really be a fun 8-franchise tournament bracket for voting:1) Detroit8) Buffalo5) NY Jets4) New Orleans3) Oakland6) San Francisco7) Houston2) Tennessee

I know that the Bills were ridiculed pretty often this past offseason (haha, they're all old and wear Depends), but I think that it's pretty obvious that things are coming together a bit for the Bills and that they're a team heading in the right direction. I think that Green Bay definitely is up there. That team is still a mess. And I know that most will probably disagree with me, but the Bengals and Seahawks are dangerously close to making the list. With all of the behavior problems that the Bengals have had, their drafting has to be somewhat of a question mark. And the Seahawks have done some smart things (locking down Walter Jones longterm) but this offseason was somewhat ugly. With Hutchinson getting away when they easily could have afforded him and then tossing a bunch of money at #2 WRs like Burleson and Branch, they took a step back IMO rather than taking a step forward.

 

[Bizkiteer]

TEN - I disagree that they are the worst. Much of their decision have been cap related. After getting to the SB, they were cap strapped and have had to let many players go that they really didn't want. Now, they haven't made the best decisions on draft picks, so they should be viewed for that somewhat. Just not the worst in my book.

OAK - It's starting to catch up with them fast! They always seem to go with flash in the pan type players and lately they are not panning out for them at all. Thus, they have some fast guys who can't play consistently or that not much better than running a 40 yd dash. FA signing for Sapp and such hurt. Picking up Jeff George, even though they cut him, just shows that they need to some sort of direction in the front office. So they are very suspect and could agree that they might be the worst run franchise.

NYJ - These guys seems to tie up money and make trades that just don't work. Getting some high draft picks and some sort of identity will help. Herm made them team good enough to not get an impact player, but not good enough to really make a challange. Few bad years and they should rebound as long as they don't make anymore stupid trades.

BUF - One does have to wonder what their thinking is on draft day. This team is not sexy by any means, but they seem to have solid players through a good part of their roster. So, even though they are not putting the WOW into the game, they are at least doing some things right.

 

[mhrutkowski]

Jets don't belong in here

Until they win something, hell yeah they belong here. As does New Orleans, Arizona, Detroit, and Houston

Of course they haven't been winning, hence why the old management was thrown out and new management was brought in. That's why their rating is: N/A as of now.

 

[abhall]

The Lions.....Matt Millen

And it's not even close. Just look at their drafts in the last several years. Awful.

 

[RatMan]

I don't think the Jets should be nearly up there with Oak and Tenn. Don't forget that two years ago, they were a game away from the AFC Championship and on the rise. Then the wheels came off, but that wasn't management errors, but mainly injuries. I'd say the main gaffes were giving Chad all that dough prematurely (and maybe the drafting of Nugent) but we'll see how that goes.Mangini and Tannenbaum seem to have the team headed in the right direction, even if it takes a few years to climb back up.

I think the current Tangini era of management has the Jets on the right course.

 

[cws3030]

TEN - I disagree that they are the worst. Much of their decision have been cap related. After getting to the SB, they were cap strapped and have had to let many players go that they really didn't want. Now, they haven't made the best decisions on draft picks, so they should be viewed for that somewhat. Just not the worst in my book.

their cap management is part of what makes them one of teh worst.... Philly, NE, and all the good teams have all let player go that they didn't want to let leave. managing the cap is part of the equation. and not being able to re-load through the draft has killed them not to mention all the character concern guys that they have. they are bottom 3 IMO

 

[Kiddnets]

The Lions.....Matt Millen

And it's not even close. Just look at their drafts in the last several years. Awful.

Look at the past few years - Harrington top 3 pick - no longer with team - bustC Rogers - top 3 pick - no longer with team - bustM Williams - top 10 pick - inactive week 1WOW - that is just awful!

 

[Jagerbomber]

This could really be a fun 8-franchise tournament bracket for voting:1) Detroit8) Buffalo5) NY Jets4) New Orleans3) Oakland6) San Francisco7) Houston2) Tennessee

I'd swap the Jets with Green Bay and Ted "Building towards the future" ThompsonThe truth is, a lot of franchises have made bonehead moves. Chicago and the whole mess with Benson and Jones for example. But I wouldn't put it on the list up there. Detroit might move a few steps towards respectability if Marinelli pans out.

 

[redman]

San Fran -- Dr. and Mrs. Dork have ruined that franchise.....

They haven't hurt the franchise in my mind the way that Adams has in Tennessee. Mike Nolan is at least being allowed to control or heavily influence what players they are taking in the draft and acquiring through FA. It's his team on the field, but you can't say the same thing about Jeff Fisher in Tennessee.

 

[Cookiemonster]

I'd argue in favor of Oakland and Tennessee. The titans front office is bad enough to make a good coach look bad, and Oakland can get coaches bad enough to make good players look bad. If you think the Titans did bad in their drafts, let's look @ Oakland. P.Buchanon + N.Harris + T.Brayton + a great FS in Asomugha turned into a bad CB + the all time bonehead move in the last 5 years... 'Skins offer C.Samuels (pro-bowl LT) and their 5th overall pick (S.Taylor) for the Raiders 2nd overall (Gallery) when Oakland had complete crap at the safety position. Samuels AND Taylor for that long-haired turnstile @ LT.

 

[redman]

'Skins offer C.Samuels (pro-bowl LT) and their 5th overall pick (S.Taylor) for the Raiders 2nd overall (Gallery) when Oakland had complete crap at the safety position. Samuels AND Taylor for that long-haired turnstile @ LT.

Where'd you get that one from?

 

[CalBear]

San Fran -- Dr. and Mrs. Dork have ruined that franchise.....

They haven't hurt the franchise in my mind the way that Adams has in Tennessee. Mike Nolan is at least being allowed to control or heavily influence what players they are taking in the draft and acquiring through FA. It's his team on the field, but you can't say the same thing about Jeff Fisher in Tennessee.

If that's the case, then they also get credit for hiring a moron at coach.In 2001-2002, they won 22 games. In 2004-2005, they won 6. They got rid of virtually every player from those winning teams, not to mention the coach. No one has destroyed a franchise so rapidly and completely.

 

[redman]

San Fran -- Dr. and Mrs. Dork have ruined that franchise.....

They haven't hurt the franchise in my mind the way that Adams has in Tennessee. Mike Nolan is at least being allowed to control or heavily influence what players they are taking in the draft and acquiring through FA. It's his team on the field, but you can't say the same thing about Jeff Fisher in Tennessee.

If that's the case, then they also get credit for hiring a moron at coach.In 2001-2002, they won 22 games. In 2004-2005, they won 6. They got rid of virtually every player from those winning teams, not to mention the coach. No one has destroyed a franchise so rapidly and completely.

You're not paying attention to the point. I was talking about since they hired Nolan. I think that represents a step in the right direction which they should get credit for. Organizations can change what they're doing, and I think that the 49'ers, while still not a "healthy" franchise overall, isn't hamstringing the coach's ability to put a talented team on the field the way that they're doing in Tennessee. If you want to go back that far then Tennessee had just recently been to a Super Bowl, was still winning and wasn't the subject of much criticism.

 

[raidergil]

Buffalo is strange in that they have made some good draft picks (McGahee, Evans, Schobel etc) and some great FA moves (Spikes, Fletcher) yet reached so far on coaching choices that its offset anything good they have done. To think that they passed on John Fox, Marvin Lewis, Weis, etc. eats at me. In a time of pure parity they have failed to make the playoffs for 6 straight years – the only team in the AFC other than Houston over that span! And now they have brought in an 81 yr old GM. BUT, it’s a new mgmnt team so we’ll give them benefit of the doubt for a year. And still they are not nearly as bad as the Raiders, Lions etc.

Right now the worst organization has to be the Raiders. They couldn’t even get college coaches to come coach the team – and we’re not talking big name, top program coaches. They have no direction, no plan and seemingly no future. And its all due to Al Davis’ ego. If he had stepped back and not run Gruden out of town they likely would have won the SB in 2001 & wouldn’t nearly be in the mess they are. To top it off they did nothing with the bounty of picks they got for Gruden. My hope is that Fisher gets canned from Tenn. and the Raiders sign him next yr. – but sad to say this isn’t going to happen unless Al is gone.

 

[Atomic Dawg]

As a 20 year Raider fan, I would have to vote Oakland hands down right now. Do not get me wrong, as much as people bag on Al, he has done some great things for the NFL, but those were done 20 years ago, and he is sadly behind the times. He has also done some bad things along the way.

Remember, this is a team that is only 5 years removed form a Super Bowl appearance and a few AFC Championship teams.

I agree with above, nothing will change until Al is steps down (personal opinion, he has been dead for a couple of years and is a Disney Animatronic)

I like the discipline of Art Shell, but you need a progressive OC in today's NFL and we do not have one.

They finally have made a youth movemnet, so this team is a few years away from contention.

 

[Cookiemonster]

'Skins offer C.Samuels (pro-bowl LT) and their 5th overall pick (S.Taylor) for the Raiders 2nd overall (Gallery) when Oakland had complete crap at the safety position. Samuels AND Taylor for that long-haired turnstile @ LT.

Where'd you get that one from?

'Kid Dan' was very interested in Gallery on draft day and knew the Raiders were planning to take him. The 'Skins offered to swap the 5th overall pick and Chris Samuels for the Raiders 2nd overall pick but Al Davis turned down the offer. That 5th pick for the 'Skins was S.Taylor.

 

[msommer]

It is hard to defend Floyd Reese here. Draft picks not panning out wholesale, absolute salary cap hell, the Steve McNair debacle.

Worst - I don't know, but worthy of mention certainly.

 

[NYRAGE]

NYJ - These guys seems to tie up money and make trades that just don't work. Getting some high draft picks and some sort of identity will help. Herm made them team good enough to not get an impact player, but not good enough to really make a challange. Few bad years and they should rebound as long as they don't make anymore stupid trades.

Oh my God, some of you guys are such lemmings to whatever the media writes. A week ago, it was en vogue to say that the Jets were the worst team in the league. Beating the Titans is no great feat, but the Jets are a 6-7 win team this year, not the worst team like everyone predicted. They don't have a lot of talent thanks to Bradway, but you know that they will be prepared and play hard under Mangini. Herm made them good enough??? That's the best joke I've heard in a while. Actually, Herm is a joke. He's a clueless moron that doesn't make any game adjustments and has no strategy, but he does make fine speaches. His great analysis of team problems: we got outplayed, we gotta make more plays, if we make one more play, we could have won, etc.

Mangini and Tanny are night and day compared to Herm and Bradway.

Regarding the not having won anything comment, well the mighty Dolphins haven't won a Super Bowl since 1974. Does that mean that they have sucked this whole time?

 

[S.K.A.]

I don't think the Jets should be nearly up there with Oak and Tenn. Don't forget that two years ago, they were a game away from the AFC Championship and on the rise. Then the wheels came off, but that wasn't management errors, but mainly injuries. I'd say the main gaffes were giving Chad all that dough prematurely (and maybe the drafting of Nugent) but we'll see how that goes.

Mangini and Tannenbaum seem to have the team headed in the right direction, even if it takes a few years to climb back up.

If we want to use that argument, Oakland was in serious contention after some brilliant management moves. They brought in Rich Gannon, dirt cheap. They brought in Charlie Garner, dirt cheap. They brought in Jerry Rice when everyone knew he was washed up and he went to Pro Bowls as a Raider. They rolled the dice on the young, unheard of, Jon Gruden. All of these things happened within the last six years. Rich Gannon got hurt and the Raiders went from superbowl game to 4-12. That was only a couple of years ago. They were in striking distance of three superbowls in the last six years. Baltimore beat them on ONE play of 97 yards to Shannon Sharpe and went on to win the superbowl. Then they go to a superbowl and as fate would have it, Jon Gruden was the opposing coach. He was in Oakland's huddle the whole game, and don't even get me started on the TUCK game when New England went on to win their first Superbowl.

Drafting Robert Gallery was the consensus move. Nobody can fault them for that. I am on the fence about bringing in Randy Moss and Warren Sapp, but still not evidence of worst management moves. Aaron Brooks and Jeff George coupled with the hiring of Bed N' Breakfast boy are pretty much the three reasons that I still vote for Oakland, but let's not pretend the Jets, Titans, or a few of the other teams mentioned are above reproach.

 

[S.K.A.]

Regarding the not having won anything comment, well the mighty Dolphins haven't won a Super Bowl since 1974. Does that mean that they have sucked this whole time?

That is kind of a big jump from calling the Jets a candidate in a worst management thread isn't it? The Dolphins have had how many winning seasons? Try another Red Herring.

 

[BlueOnion]

I don't think the Jets should be nearly up there with Oak and Tenn. Don't forget that two years ago, they were a game away from the AFC Championship and on the rise. Then the wheels came off, but that wasn't management errors, but mainly injuries. I'd say the main gaffes were giving Chad all that dough prematurely (and maybe the drafting of Nugent) but we'll see how that goes.

Mangini and Tannenbaum seem to have the team headed in the right direction, even if it takes a few years to climb back up.

If we want to use that argument, Oakland was in serious contention after some brilliant management moves. They brought in Rich Gannon, dirt cheap. They brought in Charlie Garner, dirt cheap. They brought in Jerry Rice when everyone knew he was washed up and he went to Pro Bowls as a Raider. They rolled the dice on the young, unheard of, Jon Gruden. All of these things happened within the last six years. Rich Gannon got hurt and the Raiders went from superbowl game to 4-12. That was only a couple of years ago. They were in striking distance of three superbowls in the last six years. Baltimore beat them on ONE play of 97 yards to Shannon Sharpe and went on to win the superbowl. Then they go to a superbowl and as fate would have it, Jon Gruden was the opposing coach. He was in Oakland's huddle the whole game, and don't even get me started on the TUCK game when New England went on to win their first Superbowl.

Drafting Robert Gallery was the consensus move. Nobody can fault them for that. I am on the fence about bringing in Randy Moss and Warren Sapp, but still not evidence of worst management moves. Aaron Brooks and Jeff George coupled with the hiring of Bed N' Breakfast boy are pretty much the three reasons that I still vote for Oakland, but let's not pretend the Jets, Titans, or a few of the other teams mentioned are above reproach.

People may not like Al Davis or the way he conducts business. Heck, most people (including myself) probably don't even understand him. My guess is Al Davis does things his way and swings for the fences; some times he misses (Callahan) and some times he hits (Gruden).

But he has an extensive track record and that track record has some recent success.

I still got the Raiders Management > 49ers management

 

[BigRed]

Until they win something, hell yeah they belong here. As does New Orleans, Arizona, Detroit, and Houston

 

[BigRed]

Look at the past few years - Harrington top 3 pick - no longer with team - bustC Rogers - top 3 pick - no longer with team - bustM Williams - top 10 pick - inactive week 1WOW - that is just awful!

Yes it is, but again it's easy to say in hindsight. Only that last pick was really questioned at the time, and even then it was considered a good value pick, just not a need pick (course with the problems/injuries brewing with Rogers even then, you could argue that as well). Sorry DET cannot compete with OAK or TEN here. The Millen bashing isn't exactly undeserved but it's also overblown and tired thx to a lot of people riding the bandwagon.And Butt Adams is easily the worst POS owner out there. I'd love nothing better than seeing HOU win a title in his lifetime while TEN wins none....course at this rate he'd have to live to about 110 probably...