Overhaul of the NYJ defense (1 Viewer)

[Reaper]

think this whole discussion comes down to the Jets as a mis-managed organization, I've been saying this for a while but the Jets have gone through 4 head coaches since Kotite in the last 10 seasons (Bill, Groh, Herm, Mangini).They have had four different people running the organization. (Steinberg, Parcells, Bradway and Tannenbaum) not to mention two owner groups. What happens in this case is that you are constantly changing your offensive and defensive schemes, you are drafting a certain type of player and then two years later moving from the 4-3 to the 3-4 where the players you drafted to play in that system (Robertson, Vilma etc) don't work in that scheme. Look at teams that are successful over long periods of time, they have stability at the top, they know what kind of team they want to be, if they are a defensive/running team they stay that way and they adjust schemes based on the strengths of their roster. The Jets continue to try to shove round pegs in square holes. I'm sure that Mangini and Tannenbaum will be gone in a few years and then their will be a new defensive scheme and guys you are drafting now to play rushing OLB will not work in this system. plus the jets suck at drafting TE's in the first round

You're living in the past again and not giving these guys a clean slate...This is the start of year 3 of a complete rebuild and I don't think these guys are going anywhere..... Woody is in step with these guys.Robertson had bad knees and wasn't a guy to form a defense around anyway - 4-3 or 3-4 this defense needed a big DT and alot of pieces - NOW they have a Stud at CB a stud at Safey and a pretty decent looking front 7.This woe is us, look at out past and look at all the bad TE's stuff is for the birds... It's year 3 and to me this defense looks better than it has in a real long time....

 

[Righetti]

You're living in the past again and not giving these guys a clean slate...This is the start of year 3 of a complete rebuild and I don't think these guys are going anywhere..... Woody is in step with these guys.Robertson had bad knees and wasn't a guy to form a defense around anyway - 4-3 or 3-4 this defense needed a big DT and alot of pieces - NOW they have a Stud at CB a stud at Safey and a pretty decent looking front 7.This woe is us, look at out past and look at all the bad TE's stuff is for the birds... It's year 3 and to me this defense looks better than it has in a real long time....

hard to not live in the past when your team dissapoints their fans year after year. i'm all for a clean slate but my complaint are not about the last two years as much as an long term team philosophy. Look at the Steelers for example.. they run the same kind of offense and defense for 30 years, it helps build a cohesive unit for the long term. I am not sure that anybody knows what kind of team the Jets want to be.this has more to do with leadership at the top then it does with a current head coach

 

[Chase Stuart]

You're living in the past again and not giving these guys a clean slate...This is the start of year 3 of a complete rebuild and I don't think these guys are going anywhere..... Woody is in step with these guys.Robertson had bad knees and wasn't a guy to form a defense around anyway - 4-3 or 3-4 this defense needed a big DT and alot of pieces - NOW they have a Stud at CB a stud at Safey and a pretty decent looking front 7.This woe is us, look at out past and look at all the bad TE's stuff is for the birds... It's year 3 and to me this defense looks better than it has in a real long time....

hard to not live in the past when your team dissapoints their fans year after year. i'm all for a clean slate but my complaint are not about the last two years as much as an long term team philosophy. Look at the Steelers for example.. they run the same kind of offense and defense for 30 years, it helps build a cohesive unit for the long term. I am not sure that anybody knows what kind of team the Jets want to be.this has more to do with leadership at the top then it does with a current head coach

If Noll and Cowher stunk as coaches, this wouldn't be true.Do you think the Bears turn over QBs every year because of an organizational philosophy to promote discontinuity, or because their current QB (at any time) stinks?

 

[Chase Stuart]

Pennington threw KILLER Interceptions at the end of a few winnable games that were hardly anyone's fault but his own....I believe Pennington also had a healthy Coles more - Not sure on those splits or when he was injured but, that had to lean heavily his way Vs Clemens.The thing that hurt last year so much with Chad was that his little dink and dunk game actually had them in some games but he lost it at the end with STUPID decisions with little else to blame but himself - and that was his biggest strength in the past.....

Yes, Pennington made some bad decisions in the final drives of three or four games last year.Peyton Manning also stunk in playoff games for awhile. That didn't mean he was going to stink in the future, or that he stunk in general. It's hard to base a lot off of small sample sizes.Pennington isn't great, but he still had a QB Rating in the mid-80s last year. He still threw more TDs than INTs. He was hardly awful. That's all I'm saying. The Jets added five OL/TE/FB in the off-season; that should help him a lot.

 

[Otis]

You're living in the past again and not giving these guys a clean slate...This is the start of year 3 of a complete rebuild and I don't think these guys are going anywhere..... Woody is in step with these guys.Robertson had bad knees and wasn't a guy to form a defense around anyway - 4-3 or 3-4 this defense needed a big DT and alot of pieces - NOW they have a Stud at CB a stud at Safey and a pretty decent looking front 7.This woe is us, look at out past and look at all the bad TE's stuff is for the birds... It's year 3 and to me this defense looks better than it has in a real long time....

hard to not live in the past when your team dissapoints their fans year after year. i'm all for a clean slate but my complaint are not about the last two years as much as an long term team philosophy. Look at the Steelers for example.. they run the same kind of offense and defense for 30 years, it helps build a cohesive unit for the long term. I am not sure that anybody knows what kind of team the Jets want to be.this has more to do with leadership at the top then it does with a current head coach

If Noll and Cowher stunk as coaches, this wouldn't be true.

Righetti is dead-on with his assessment here, but the problem is it can't be helped UNTIL you have something that works at the top. Obviously if you had a Dungy in place at the top, or a Cowher, or someone who implemented a winning scheme and things were headed in the right direction, you wouldn't have those big changes at the top, and, as a result, that regime would stay in place, and hopefully successful, for a long time. Unfortunately, you have to keep throwing darts at the board until one of them sticks in a good place. Just the way it works.

 

[TLEF316]

Clemens isn't a bust yet. The guy had the worst LG and RT in the league starting along side 2 second year guys and Brandon Moore(who is average at best) Coles was hurt. He would have beaten the Ravens in week 2 were it not for Justin Stone Hands McCariens (good riddance)

Not to pick on you, but I see this all the time when hearing about Clemens.DID ANYONE WATCH THE RAVENS LAST YEAR?

The Ravens won THREE other games besides the Jets game and a meaningless week 17 game against Pittsburgh who didn't have Roethlisberger or Parker. The Ravens beat the Rams, the Cardinals and the 49ers. And they beat the Cardinals and 49ers by 3 and 2 points.

The Ravens were one of the worst teams in the NFL last year. The Ravens were god-awful, and their pass-defense was one of the worst in the league. Why is "almost beating the Ravens" looked at as anything positive?

The Ravens went 3-11 outside of the Jets game and the meaningless week 17 game, beating three bad NFC West teams.

The Jets should have beaten the Ravens last year. The Ravens stunk.

i know the ravens were bad last year, but it was still a road game against a talented veteran defense. Plus, it was early in the year and the ravens train wreck hadn't really started yet.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Clemens isn't a bust yet. The guy had the worst LG and RT in the league starting along side 2 second year guys and Brandon Moore(who is average at best) Coles was hurt. He would have beaten the Ravens in week 2 were it not for Justin Stone Hands McCariens (good riddance)

Not to pick on you, but I see this all the time when hearing about Clemens.DID ANYONE WATCH THE RAVENS LAST YEAR?

The Ravens won THREE other games besides the Jets game and a meaningless week 17 game against Pittsburgh who didn't have Roethlisberger or Parker. The Ravens beat the Rams, the Cardinals and the 49ers. And they beat the Cardinals and 49ers by 3 and 2 points.

The Ravens were one of the worst teams in the NFL last year. The Ravens were god-awful, and their pass-defense was one of the worst in the league. Why is "almost beating the Ravens" looked at as anything positive?

The Ravens went 3-11 outside of the Jets game and the meaningless week 17 game, beating three bad NFC West teams.

The Jets should have beaten the Ravens last year. The Ravens stunk.

i know the ravens were bad last year, but it was still a road game against a talented veteran defense. Plus, it was early in the year and the ravens train wreck hadn't really started yet.

The Ravens pass defense was horrible. They let up 6 TDs and 1 INT in three of their first four games; in the other, against Clemens, it was 1 TD and 2 INT. The Ravens pass D last year was really, really bad. They didn't have a talented veteran defense, they had an old, slow defense.

 

[Reaper]

You're living in the past again and not giving these guys a clean slate...This is the start of year 3 of a complete rebuild and I don't think these guys are going anywhere..... Woody is in step with these guys.Robertson had bad knees and wasn't a guy to form a defense around anyway - 4-3 or 3-4 this defense needed a big DT and alot of pieces - NOW they have a Stud at CB a stud at Safey and a pretty decent looking front 7.This woe is us, look at out past and look at all the bad TE's stuff is for the birds... It's year 3 and to me this defense looks better than it has in a real long time....

hard to not live in the past when your team dissapoints their fans year after year. i'm all for a clean slate but my complaint are not about the last two years as much as an long term team philosophy. Look at the Steelers for example.. they run the same kind of offense and defense for 30 years, it helps build a cohesive unit for the long term. I am not sure that anybody knows what kind of team the Jets want to be.this has more to do with leadership at the top then it does with a current head coach

If Noll and Cowher stunk as coaches, this wouldn't be true.

Righetti is dead-on with his assessment here, but the problem is it can't be helped UNTIL you have something that works at the top. Obviously if you had a Dungy in place at the top, or a Cowher, or someone who implemented a winning scheme and things were headed in the right direction, you wouldn't have those big changes at the top, and, as a result, that regime would stay in place, and hopefully successful, for a long time. Unfortunately, you have to keep throwing darts at the board until one of them sticks in a good place. Just the way it works.

I think we have it now.... When Woody bought this team after the last owner DIED... he wasn't sure of what to do and had Parcells who was leaving but, willing to advise - Parcells recommended Terry Bradway - THAT was no favor, Thanks Bill. Terry came here and worked on Long Island and lived hours away - he pretty much admitted he didn't put the time in - he wasn't one of these guys that puts in 14 hour days and is 100% FOOTBALL.... Then he hires Herm - a guy who never coached either side of the ball let a lone a team - Guy came in and had NO systems - so, he figures "hey lets run Tampa's D"...But, they hire a coach who coaches the 3-4 - "It's Ok" says Herm we'll blend defenses and make our own defense - DISASTER!!! Then they hire a a straight 4-3 guy and things looked better - Same on offense, they implement a WCO with Vinny Testeverde... They also took over a team Parcells built ready to Win Now and they implemented an offense that take 3 years to install and had the gall to make up a defense... They still won a bit with that talent - just enought to stay mediocre. The drafts were horrible...To me THAT was the disaster.. That regime changed systems on the fly... Now we have guys with their own systems and they stick to it... People still cry that they force feed the system... But, they weren't dealing with the Bears 85 defense let alonge the Steeler 06' defense... They were dealing with a defense that needed an overhaul regardless - so why not use the system you want at that point - I'm sure they knew Vilma and Bad knee Drob were better for the 4-3 but, weighed it LONG TERM..... I'm glad they did...Finally, I feel this organization is on a good path - The drafts to me have been SOLID - The 3-4 is coming along and the offense is taking shape... I gave Herm the benefit of the doubt when he came here - a clean slate - Same thing I did for Mangini....This is year 3 - I think the defense has great potential.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Lastly, in defense of Mangini, I've never seen so many people excuse a player's poor play as Jets fans and Jonathon Vilma. People act like the team converted him to running back. It's mind boggling to me how he gets none of the blame for stinking the past two seasons, because shifting from MLB to ILB is just so incredibly burdensome and complicated that no mere mortal could have climbed that enormous mountain.

 

[Kiddnets]

Chad is done - he has no arm and can't make the throws that have to be made. For a "smart" QB he makes awful decisions and crippling INTs. His dink and dunk game will keep you in games because it eats up the clock - but if you fall behind by more than a TD its over. That was proven time and time again.

It's time to see what the kid can do with a REAL OL - we know what Chad can do. I'd rather give KC the reigns and either watch him explode or fail miserably than another season with Chad where they would probably go 8-8 and have no chance toi advance in the playoffs. KC has upside and deserves a chance.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Chad is done - he has no arm and can't make the throws that have to be made. For a "smart" QB he makes awful decisions and crippling INTs. His dink and dunk game will keep you in games because it eats up the clock - but if you fall behind by more than a TD its over. That was proven time and time again. It's time to see what the kid can do with a REAL OL - we know what Chad can do. I'd rather give KC the reigns and either watch him explode or fail miserably than another season with Chad where they would probably go 8-8 and have no chance toi advance in the playoffs. KC has upside and deserves a chance.

Every season where Pennington started ten or more games the Jets have made the playoffs. And while the risky move might be more appealing to some, I'd prefer the better +EV play than merely the one with greater upside/variance.

 

[massraider]

Chase, is there any thought to moving Ellis, as maybe he isn't right for the 3-4? Trading him, replacing him, whatever. Is Mangini happy with him?

 

[Chase Stuart]

Chase, is there any thought to moving Ellis, as maybe he isn't right for the 3-4? Trading him, replacing him, whatever. Is Mangini happy with him?

While not really undersized, I just don't think Ellis is big enough for the 3-4 DE spot, especially when playing next to an undersized nose. It's possible that Jenkins will help out Ellis a bit, as he'll command more blockers more often than Robertson did. But it's tough for a DE that's under 300 lbs and slow to be an impact player at DE.When the Jets had Ellis-Robertson-Coleman on the line, that must have been one of the lightest 3-4 lines in years. Combined weight = 862 lbs.

 

[Liquid Tension]

I think the Jets D will be exciting to watch, but the key acquisition to me was signing Faneca. They went from a huge liability to a strength.

The Jets still are lacking at QB and RB, but they have the ability to be very competitive and you never know if they stay healthy (one of the main keys to success in the NFL)

 

[Liquid Tension]

Chad is done - he has no arm and can't make the throws that have to be made. For a "smart" QB he makes awful decisions and crippling INTs. His dink and dunk game will keep you in games because it eats up the clock - but if you fall behind by more than a TD its over. That was proven time and time again. It's time to see what the kid can do with a REAL OL - we know what Chad can do. I'd rather give KC the reigns and either watch him explode or fail miserably than another season with Chad where they would probably go 8-8 and have no chance toi advance in the playoffs. KC has upside and deserves a chance.

Every season where Pennington started ten or more games the Jets have made the playoffs. And while the risky move might be more appealing to some, I'd prefer the better +EV play than merely the one with greater upside/variance.

I think that teams have adjusted to Chad's game. He would be a good backup, but a weak starter.

 

[brednbuddah]

Gholston will be one of the busts in the top 10 picks of 2008...IMHO. And I am not going to go thru every reason as you already know them and we are not going to convince each other to jump to the other side.

I thought the Jets blew both 1st round picks this season...badly.

Even with an improved defense, the Jets are playing for 1 of 2 wildcard playoff spots because of New England...they are not going to take the division.

They will be going toe to toe to make the playoffs agianst teams like Cleveland(Superior Offense), Pittsburgh(Better Team), Tennessee, Jax, there are a lot of good teams so I don't see anything for you to get real excited about.

I don't think Tennessee or Pittsburgh are better than the Jets. Obviously there will be some surprises, but right now, I'd project the Jets and Jaguars to grab the two wildcard spots, with NWE/CLE/IND/SDG taking the divisions.

I must have missed the offseason move by the Jets to get a qb? Who's starting at qb for the J-E-T-S?

I'd say Pennington will start and they'll take it from there. It looks like they're building the team up to be a ball control offense anyway and Pennington is better suited for that style of game management. Clemens is not ready. I think he'll be good - eventually.I agree the Jets have improved on paper, but playoffs is a little premature.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Gholston will be one of the busts in the top 10 picks of 2008...IMHO. And I am not going to go thru every reason as you already know them and we are not going to convince each other to jump to the other side.

I thought the Jets blew both 1st round picks this season...badly.

Even with an improved defense, the Jets are playing for 1 of 2 wildcard playoff spots because of New England...they are not going to take the division.

They will be going toe to toe to make the playoffs agianst teams like Cleveland(Superior Offense), Pittsburgh(Better Team), Tennessee, Jax, there are a lot of good teams so I don't see anything for you to get real excited about.

I don't think Tennessee or Pittsburgh are better than the Jets. Obviously there will be some surprises, but right now, I'd project the Jets and Jaguars to grab the two wildcard spots, with NWE/CLE/IND/SDG taking the divisions.

I must have missed the offseason move by the Jets to get a qb? Who's starting at qb for the J-E-T-S?

I'd say Pennington will start and they'll take it from there. It looks like they're building the team up to be a ball control offense anyway and Pennington is better suited for that style of game management. Clemens is not ready. I think he'll be good - eventually.I agree the Jets have improved on paper, but playoffs is a little premature.

This team is clearly more talented than the '06 team that made the playoffs, and the expectations for this year are as promising as they've been since 2005 or 1999 (and we know how both those years went). But if the Jets can be just average on offense -- and with the OL improvements, Keller, a healthy Coles, and Richardson -- they should make the playoffs based on superior defense, coaching and special teams.

 

[NoFBinLA]

I am far from sold on Clemens and would have liked the Jets to go after Brohm. Seems that drafting a TE who on his best day might be Dallas Clarke might have been too much of a reach for me.. I wanted Gholston also and was happy when the Jets got him but I think he is far from a sure-thing.

I'm not sold on too many of the QBs in this draft - every one is just as much of a risk as Clemens (barring Ryan who wasn't an option).No home runs - nobody is going to step in and be perfect. I might have preferred a different player to Keller, but not a QB, not there. I would rather they had not traded back in at all and waited to see what dropped to them in the second.Keller will be a big red zone target which I think will be good for the O.MOP: I hear what you are saying on Gholston. I'm not totally sold on him. But I think he might have been the pick there - aside from going CB, where else to go? Ellis is the next best player and he wasn't a perfect fit to the 3-4. Even aside from that, I think he has potential and while I am worried, I think with his strength and motor, he;ll help solidfy a run D that needed it badly, bring pressure and pursue the ball and play very well. The workout warrior tag has been applied by some which makes me nervous - but I think he'll be ok.

 

[Reaper]

This team is clearly more talented than the '06 team that made the playoffs, and the expectations for this year are as promising as they've been since 2005 or 1999 (and we know how both those years went). But if the Jets can be just average on offense -- and with the OL improvements, Keller, a healthy Coles, and Richardson -- they should make the playoffs based on superior defense, coaching and special teams.

The 06' team was remarkably healthy....This team would need the same - as most teams do....As much as I liked what they did - I wanted to draft at least another OL early on.. This draft was supposedly loaded with em.... Problem I see is a major injury on the OL turns this offense right back to last year's version???... Hopefully not - Hopefully D'brick is developing.Same thing on defense - Lose Jenkins and then what - you no longer have your 3-4 rock? Hopefully Pouha is developing.... There were also some big DTs in this draft that fell like Rubin that I thought they might go after - But, the guys they got all seems like real good guys whole love football... That's why I never really thought they were serious about Mcfadden.I think they assembled a pretty good team - It takes some luck to make a run out of it But, no matter what I expect some exciting things on both sides of the ball and a big step forward....

 

[Chase Stuart]

This team is clearly more talented than the '06 team that made the playoffs, and the expectations for this year are as promising as they've been since 2005 or 1999 (and we know how both those years went). But if the Jets can be just average on offense -- and with the OL improvements, Keller, a healthy Coles, and Richardson -- they should make the playoffs based on superior defense, coaching and special teams.

The 06' team was remarkably healthy....This team would need the same - as most teams do....As much as I liked what they did - I wanted to draft at least another OL early on.. This draft was supposedly loaded with em.... Problem I see is a major injury on the OL turns this offense right back to last year's version???... Hopefully not - Hopefully D'brick is developing.Same thing on defense - Lose Jenkins and then what - you no longer have your 3-4 rock? Hopefully Pouha is developing.... There were also some big DTs in this draft that fell like Rubin that I thought they might go after - But, the guys they got all seems like real good guys whole love football... That's why I never really thought they were serious about Mcfadden.I think they assembled a pretty good team - It takes some luck to make a run out of it But, no matter what I expect some exciting things on both sides of the ball and a big step forward....

Absolutely. Big health is a huge key for this team. The depth isn't very good on either side of the ball, outside of at QB, ironically enough.

 

[brednbuddah]

Gholston will be one of the busts in the top 10 picks of 2008...IMHO. And I am not going to go thru every reason as you already know them and we are not going to convince each other to jump to the other side.

I thought the Jets blew both 1st round picks this season...badly.

Even with an improved defense, the Jets are playing for 1 of 2 wildcard playoff spots because of New England...they are not going to take the division.

They will be going toe to toe to make the playoffs agianst teams like Cleveland(Superior Offense), Pittsburgh(Better Team), Tennessee, Jax, there are a lot of good teams so I don't see anything for you to get real excited about.

I don't understand the logic here. badly? Are you suggestion they should've moved up for McFadden? Traded down? I thought Gholston was the perfect pick there.and we haven't had a good, clutch, pass-catching TE since Shuler. Baker, who I think is good, just isn't what Mangini is looking for in a TE.

 

[Reaper]

Gholston will be one of the busts in the top 10 picks of 2008...IMHO. And I am not going to go thru every reason as you already know them and we are not going to convince each other to jump to the other side.

I thought the Jets blew both 1st round picks this season...badly.

Even with an improved defense, the Jets are playing for 1 of 2 wildcard playoff spots because of New England...they are not going to take the division.

They will be going toe to toe to make the playoffs agianst teams like Cleveland(Superior Offense), Pittsburgh(Better Team), Tennessee, Jax, there are a lot of good teams so I don't see anything for you to get real excited about.

I don't understand the logic here. badly? Are you suggestion they should've moved up for McFadden? Traded down? I thought Gholston was the perfect pick there.and we haven't had a good, clutch, pass-catching TE since Shuler. Baker, who I think is good, just isn't what Mangini is looking for in a TE.

That's just ridiculous - It's exactly what the Jets needed and from the interviews it sounds like the Jets and Tressel were in contact and the talk about taking plays off was garbage.... It's liek 1 draft guru stated this and everyone lese parroted it - then again, if you look back they said the same about AMrio Williams and I laughed it off then.

If the Jets passed on Gholston you would have had a lot more people stating how they blew it - fact is Gholston fell in their laps and they were damn lucky....

Without Gholston I wanted a trade down but, that doesn't always work out - the Pats had their trade in place cuz they knew they had no chance at Gholston....

 

[Liquid Tension]

This team is clearly more talented than the '06 team that made the playoffs, and the expectations for this year are as promising as they've been since 2005 or 1999 (and we know how both those years went). But if the Jets can be just average on offense -- and with the OL improvements, Keller, a healthy Coles, and Richardson -- they should make the playoffs based on superior defense, coaching and special teams.

The 06' team was remarkably healthy....

This team would need the same - as most teams do....

As much as I liked what they did - I wanted to draft at least another OL early on.. This draft was supposedly loaded with em.... Problem I see is a major injury on the OL turns this offense right back to last year's version???... Hopefully not - Hopefully D'brick is developing.

Same thing on defense - Lose Jenkins and then what - you no longer have your 3-4 rock?

Hopefully Pouha is developing....

There were also some big DTs in this draft that fell like Rubin that I thought they might go after - But, the guys they got all seems like real good guys whole love football... That's why I never really thought they were serious about Mcfadden.

I think they assembled a pretty good team - It takes some luck to make a run out of it But, no matter what I expect some exciting things on both sides of the ball and a big step forward....

if the Jets played at a mediocre level early on as the other teams injuries mounted and the Jets remained EXTREMELY healthy they NOT coincidentally started to win.Health is one of the top factors in getting to the playoffs in football now.

 

[TLEF316]

Gholston will be one of the busts in the top 10 picks of 2008...IMHO. And I am not going to go thru every reason as you already know them and we are not going to convince each other to jump to the other side.

I thought the Jets blew both 1st round picks this season...badly.

Even with an improved defense, the Jets are playing for 1 of 2 wildcard playoff spots because of New England...they are not going to take the division.

They will be going toe to toe to make the playoffs agianst teams like Cleveland(Superior Offense), Pittsburgh(Better Team), Tennessee, Jax, there are a lot of good teams so I don't see anything for you to get real excited about.

I don't understand the logic here. badly? Are you suggestion they should've moved up for McFadden? Traded down? I thought Gholston was the perfect pick there.and we haven't had a good, clutch, pass-catching TE since Shuler. Baker, who I think is good, just isn't what Mangini is looking for in a TE.

That's just ridiculous - It's exactly what the Jets needed and from the interviews it sounds like the Jets and Tressel were in contact and the talk about taking plays off was garbage.... It's liek 1 draft guru stated this and everyone lese parroted it - then again, if you look back they said the same about AMrio Williams and I laughed it off then.

If the Jets passed on Gholston you would have had a lot more people stating how they blew it - fact is Gholston fell in their laps and they were damn lucky....

Without Gholston I wanted a trade down but, that doesn't always work out - the Pats had their trade in place cuz they knew they had no chance at Gholston....

A lot of the so-called draft experts are ripping the jets for taking Gholston. Of course, had we passed, the Pats would have snatched him up and they'd be praised for drafting the next Shawn Merriman.