Owen Daniels Thurs Night vs Denver (#3 Pts allowed to TEs in PPR) (1 Viewer)

[KellysHeroes]

Hou plays Den Thursday... and good PPR TEs have been $$$$$$ against the Denver D since the Corners shutdown the WRs and force the ball to the TE. So looking at the Match up; Daniels matches well against the smallish Denver LBs.

Daniels Stats With Sage at QB.

Week 4 @ Atl: 7 Targets / 6 recs for 96

Week 7 vs Ten: 5 Targets / 2 for 20 (Sage threw 35 passes for 290 and 4 TDs that week)

Week 8 @ SD: 6 Targets / 4 for 35*

Week 9 @ Oak: 5 Targets / 4 for 41

Week 13 @ Ten: 6 Targets / 3 for 42

Week 14 vs TB: 5 Targets / 3 for 20 1TD

*only Match up that was in the top 10 of pts allowed to TEs at the time of the game (SD was #9). All the other Matches were not "good" match ups for TEs.

So as much as I'm loving the match up this week and the Target #s that Daniels sees with Sage @ QB (I'm considering Benching my WR#3 since they have a terrible match up and play Daniels as a 2nd TE)... I also got the feeling that this will be the Classis Fantasy Play-off Trap Game. The Game where it looks like a sure thing and then you get 3 pts from 2 rec for 10 yds.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

Game is at Houston, not Denver.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Game is at Houston, not Denver.

Thank you... makes the Match up slightly better. Texans are decent Home Team and Denver is a bad Road team.

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

whats this? an informative post in the shark pool? interesting..

Interestingly enough denver has been one of the toughest matchups for TEs in years past. Not this year.. I agree with the OP.. Daniels makes a great play this week. Trap games happen but you have to play the percentages. Who is the WR3 you would bench for Daniels?

 

[Big Blue Wrecking Crew]

Posted this thread last week, as I noticed Daniels seemed to produce less w/ Sage at the helm (less targets, lower production...week 4 numbers include Schaub time):

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...&hl=daniels

Interesting findings that you have uncovered regarding the Denver D, so let's keep the discussion going.

Not to hijack, but would you be comfortable starting both Daniels and AJ? I know AJ will get his numbers (even going against the Denver DBs, who, IMO, have fallen off a bit this year), but trying to factor that impact here as well.

 

[-OZ-]

whats this? an informative post in the shark pool? interesting..Interestingly enough denver has been one of the toughest matchups for TEs in years past. Not this year.. I agree with the OP.. Daniels makes a great play this week. Trap games happen but you have to play the percentages. Who is the WR3 you would bench for Daniels?

thanks to this thread, I am now starting Daniels over Shockey; and added Daniels off WW (for Shockey) instead of Scheffler.

 

[KellysHeroes]

whats this? an informative post in the shark pool? interesting..

Interestingly enough denver has been one of the toughest matchups for TEs in years past. Not this year.. I agree with the OP.. Daniels makes a great play this week. Trap games happen but you have to play the percentages. Who is the WR3 you would bench for Daniels?

Berrian who is playing the #6 Pass Defense... Minny will destory Chi as they are in the playoff hunt.

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

whats this? an informative post in the shark pool? interesting..

Interestingly enough denver has been one of the toughest matchups for TEs in years past. Not this year.. I agree with the OP.. Daniels makes a great play this week. Trap games happen but you have to play the percentages. Who is the WR3 you would bench for Daniels?

Berrian who is playing the #6 Pass Defense... Minny will destory Chi as they are in the playoff hunt.

I love Berrian..but with Orton getting the start this week, you can definitely justify using the ODB instead.

 

[Sidewinder]

Hou plays Den Thursday... and good PPR TEs have been $$$$$$ against the Denver D since the Corners shutdown the WRs and force the ball to the TE. So looking at the Match up; Daniels matches well against the smallish Denver LBs.

Daniels Stats With Sage at QB.

Week 4 @ Atl: 7 Targets / 6 recs for 96

Week 7 vs Ten: 5 Targets / 2 for 20 (Sage threw 35 passes for 290 and 4 TDs that week)

Week 8 @ SD: 6 Targets / 4 for 35*

Week 9 @ Oak: 5 Targets / 4 for 41

Week 13 @ Ten: 6 Targets / 3 for 42

Week 14 vs TB: 5 Targets / 3 for 20 1TD

*only Match up that was in the top 10 of pts allowed to TEs at the time of the game (SD was #9). All the other Matches were not "good" match ups for TEs.

So as much as I'm loving the match up this week and the Target #s that Daniels sees with Sage @ QB (I'm considering Benching my WR#3 since they have a terrible match up and play Daniels as a 2nd TE)... I also got the feeling that this will be the Classis Fantasy Play-off Trap Game. The Game where it looks like a sure thing and then you get 3 pts from 2 rec for 10 yds.

Nice post. I was going to run this breakdown tonight, but you saved me the trouble, thanks. One point though, I'm pretty sure Schaub was Houston's QB for the week 4 game at Atlanta.I've got Vernon Davis as well (mandatory start 1 TE league), and Hill looked for him quite a bit in the 2nd half vs Minnesota. At home vs Cincy, he probably will be a decent play as well. Decisions decisions...

 

[KellysHeroes]

Hou plays Den Thursday... and good PPR TEs have been $$$$$$ against the Denver D since the Corners shutdown the WRs and force the ball to the TE. So looking at the Match up; Daniels matches well against the smallish Denver LBs.

Daniels Stats With Sage at QB.

Week 4 @ Atl: 7 Targets / 6 recs for 96

Week 7 vs Ten: 5 Targets / 2 for 20 (Sage threw 35 passes for 290 and 4 TDs that week)

Week 8 @ SD: 6 Targets / 4 for 35*

Week 9 @ Oak: 5 Targets / 4 for 41

Week 13 @ Ten: 6 Targets / 3 for 42

Week 14 vs TB: 5 Targets / 3 for 20 1TD

*only Match up that was in the top 10 of pts allowed to TEs at the time of the game (SD was #9). All the other Matches were not "good" match ups for TEs.

So as much as I'm loving the match up this week and the Target #s that Daniels sees with Sage @ QB (I'm considering Benching my WR#3 since they have a terrible match up and play Daniels as a 2nd TE)... I also got the feeling that this will be the Classis Fantasy Play-off Trap Game. The Game where it looks like a sure thing and then you get 3 pts from 2 rec for 10 yds.

Nice post. I was going to run this breakdown tonight, but you saved me the trouble, thanks. One point though, I'm pretty sure Schaub was Houston's QB for the week 4 game at Atlanta.I've got Vernon Davis as well (mandatory start 1 TE league), and Hill looked for him quite a bit in the 2nd half vs Minnesota. At home vs Cincy, he probably will be a decent play as well. Decisions decisions...

Thank you... it should be noted that Schaub started most of those games... I do not have a break down of the targets from Matt too Sage in the games they both played.. which makes the data a little untrust worthy.. I believe that Sage has only started 2 games.

 

[Sidewinder]

Hou plays Den Thursday... and good PPR TEs have been $$$$$$ against the Denver D since the Corners shutdown the WRs and force the ball to the TE. So looking at the Match up; Daniels matches well against the smallish Denver LBs.

Daniels Stats With Sage at QB.

Week 4 @ Atl: 7 Targets / 6 recs for 96

Week 7 vs Ten: 5 Targets / 2 for 20 (Sage threw 35 passes for 290 and 4 TDs that week)

Week 8 @ SD: 6 Targets / 4 for 35*

Week 9 @ Oak: 5 Targets / 4 for 41

Week 13 @ Ten: 6 Targets / 3 for 42

Week 14 vs TB: 5 Targets / 3 for 20 1TD

*only Match up that was in the top 10 of pts allowed to TEs at the time of the game (SD was #9). All the other Matches were not "good" match ups for TEs.

So as much as I'm loving the match up this week and the Target #s that Daniels sees with Sage @ QB (I'm considering Benching my WR#3 since they have a terrible match up and play Daniels as a 2nd TE)... I also got the feeling that this will be the Classis Fantasy Play-off Trap Game. The Game where it looks like a sure thing and then you get 3 pts from 2 rec for 10 yds.

Nice post. I was going to run this breakdown tonight, but you saved me the trouble, thanks. One point though, I'm pretty sure Schaub was Houston's QB for the week 4 game at Atlanta.I've got Vernon Davis as well (mandatory start 1 TE league), and Hill looked for him quite a bit in the 2nd half vs Minnesota. At home vs Cincy, he probably will be a decent play as well. Decisions decisions...

Thank you... it should be noted that Schaub started most of those games... I do not have a break down of the targets from Matt too Sage in the games they both played.. which makes the data a little untrust worthy.. I believe that Sage has only started 2 games.

Ahhh, I took your post to mean that those target/reception numbers were specifically with Rosenfels at QB. If I get time tonight, I'll run those numbers...

 

[KellysHeroes]

Ahhh, I took your post to mean that those target/reception numbers were specifically with Rosenfels at QB. If I get time tonight, I'll run those numbers...

Thanks.. sorry I couldn't do it myself.. the only I can is by going in the NFL.com and doing the pla by play.But this is what the Shark Pool is all about

 

[Big Blue Wrecking Crew]

Hou plays Den Thursday... and good PPR TEs have been $$$$$$ against the Denver D since the Corners shutdown the WRs and force the ball to the TE. So looking at the Match up; Daniels matches well against the smallish Denver LBs.

Daniels Stats With Sage at QB.

Week 4 @ Atl: 7 Targets / 6 recs for 96

Week 7 vs Ten: 5 Targets / 2 for 20 (Sage threw 35 passes for 290 and 4 TDs that week)

Week 8 @ SD: 6 Targets / 4 for 35*

Week 9 @ Oak: 5 Targets / 4 for 41

Week 13 @ Ten: 6 Targets / 3 for 42

Week 14 vs TB: 5 Targets / 3 for 20 1TD

*only Match up that was in the top 10 of pts allowed to TEs at the time of the game (SD was #9). All the other Matches were not "good" match ups for TEs.

So as much as I'm loving the match up this week and the Target #s that Daniels sees with Sage @ QB (I'm considering Benching my WR#3 since they have a terrible match up and play Daniels as a 2nd TE)... I also got the feeling that this will be the Classis Fantasy Play-off Trap Game. The Game where it looks like a sure thing and then you get 3 pts from 2 rec for 10 yds.

Nice post. I was going to run this breakdown tonight, but you saved me the trouble, thanks. One point though, I'm pretty sure Schaub was Houston's QB for the week 4 game at Atlanta.I've got Vernon Davis as well (mandatory start 1 TE league), and Hill looked for him quite a bit in the 2nd half vs Minnesota. At home vs Cincy, he probably will be a decent play as well. Decisions decisions...

Thank you... it should be noted that Schaub started most of those games... I do not have a break down of the targets from Matt too Sage in the games they both played.. which makes the data a little untrust worthy.. I believe that Sage has only started 2 games.

Ahhh, I took your post to mean that those target/reception numbers were specifically with Rosenfels at QB. If I get time tonight, I'll run those numbers...

Guess I should have done this in the first place (instead of posting a link to my prior thread): Here are Daniels' targets for the year by week (bold are the weeks Sage started/had significant time):

1,6,7,8,7,9,5,6,5,Bye,5,9,6,5

In the Sage weeks, here are his actual numbers

Wk 7: 2-20

Wk 8: 4-35

Wk 9: 4-41

Wk 13: 3-42

Wk 14: 3-20, 1 TD

So, it appears Daniels gets more targets/receptions w/ Schaub over Sage. Without the TD, all numbers are fairly pedestrian in comparison to his numbers with Schaub. I am in the same Davis/Daniels quandry, plus having AJ adds a second dynamic to consider. Rolled with Davis last week and did not get burned, but only with his mop up numbers.

 

[TxBuckeye]

Well, my only other option is Heath, who has been even more pedestrian the last four weeks. I am rolling the dice with Daniels this week too. Here's hoping!

 

[Sidewinder]

Hou plays Den Thursday... and good PPR TEs have been $$$$$$ against the Denver D since the Corners shutdown the WRs and force the ball to the TE. So looking at the Match up; Daniels matches well against the smallish Denver LBs.

Daniels Stats With Sage at QB.

Week 4 @ Atl: 7 Targets / 6 recs for 96

Week 7 vs Ten: 5 Targets / 2 for 20 (Sage threw 35 passes for 290 and 4 TDs that week)

Week 8 @ SD: 6 Targets / 4 for 35*

Week 9 @ Oak: 5 Targets / 4 for 41

Week 13 @ Ten: 6 Targets / 3 for 42

Week 14 vs TB: 5 Targets / 3 for 20 1TD

*only Match up that was in the top 10 of pts allowed to TEs at the time of the game (SD was #9). All the other Matches were not "good" match ups for TEs.

So as much as I'm loving the match up this week and the Target #s that Daniels sees with Sage @ QB (I'm considering Benching my WR#3 since they have a terrible match up and play Daniels as a 2nd TE)... I also got the feeling that this will be the Classis Fantasy Play-off Trap Game. The Game where it looks like a sure thing and then you get 3 pts from 2 rec for 10 yds.

Nice post. I was going to run this breakdown tonight, but you saved me the trouble, thanks. One point though, I'm pretty sure Schaub was Houston's QB for the week 4 game at Atlanta.I've got Vernon Davis as well (mandatory start 1 TE league), and Hill looked for him quite a bit in the 2nd half vs Minnesota. At home vs Cincy, he probably will be a decent play as well. Decisions decisions...

Thank you... it should be noted that Schaub started most of those games... I do not have a break down of the targets from Matt too Sage in the games they both played.. which makes the data a little untrust worthy.. I believe that Sage has only started 2 games.

Ahhh, I took your post to mean that those target/reception numbers were specifically with Rosenfels at QB. If I get time tonight, I'll run those numbers...

Guess I should have done this in the first place (instead of posting a link to my prior thread): Here are Daniels' targets for the year by week (bold are the weeks Sage started/had significant time):

1,6,7,8,7,9,5,6,5,Bye,5,9,6,5

In the Sage weeks, here are his actual numbers

Wk 7: 2-20

Wk 8: 4-35

Wk 9: 4-41

Wk 13: 3-42

Wk 14: 3-20, 1 TD

So, it appears Daniels gets more targets/receptions w/ Schaub over Sage. Without the TD, all numbers are fairly pedestrian in comparison to his numbers with Schaub. I am in the same Davis/Daniels quandry, plus having AJ adds a second dynamic to consider. Rolled with Davis last week and did not get burned, but only with his mop up numbers.

 

[H.K.]

Texans HC Kubiak was the OC for Denver before going to Houston, which gives a HUGE edge to Shanny/Denver because they know him and his system so well. Avoid Daniels like the plague this week.

 

[NoFBinLA]

whats this? an informative post in the shark pool? interesting..

Interestingly enough denver has been one of the toughest matchups for TEs in years past. Not this year.. I agree with the OP.. Daniels makes a great play this week. Trap games happen but you have to play the percentages. Who is the WR3 you would bench for Daniels?

Berrian who is playing the #6 Pass Defense... Minny will destory Chi as they are in the playoff hunt.

I love Berrian..but with Orton getting the start this week, you can definitely justify using the ODB instead.

Berrian was on a nice little roll, but Orton will likely hurt that, while Olson/Clark might be the beneficiary.

Back on topic - I like Daniels alot this week based on matchup and have some hard choices to make.

I lean towards Daniels doing well as the Broncs D focuses on AJ and leaves the underneath open....

 

[Fear & Loathing]

Posted this thread last week, as I noticed Daniels seemed to produce less w/ Sage at the helm (less targets, lower production...)

I've noticed the dropoff in Daniels' production with Sage too. What's interesting is that Daniels' outlier game from last year was a 9 catch / 99 yard / 2 TD effort in Week 8 against the Titans. It was the only game where Rosenfels got extensive playing time last season.So it could be simply that the Rosenfels-to-Daniels connection is due by Week 15 after underproducing during a handful of games this season. It's not like Sage doesn't know what Daniels can do.

 

[dgreen]

Texans HC Kubiak was the OC for Denver before going to Houston, which gives a HUGE edge to Shanny/Denver because they know him and his system so well. Avoid Daniels like the plague this week.

Doesn't Kubiak know Denver's system really well?

 

[H.K.]

Texans HC Kubiak was the OC for Denver before going to Houston, which gives a HUGE edge to Shanny/Denver because they know him and his system so well. Avoid Daniels like the plague this week.

Doesn't Kubiak know Denver's system really well?

Kubiak was in Denver for one season with Slowik as the DC before he left for the Texans. On the flip side, Kubiak worked for Shanny for 11 years. Slowik has 10+ years of insight via Shanny to stop Kubiak's offense. Kubiak doesn't have near as much intel on Slowik. It's already been proved that Sage doesn't look for Daniels like Schaub did, and the coaching disadvantage will only make it worse for the TE. I don't expect more than one or two targets this week for Owen, and certainly I don't expect Daniels to record a single reception.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Texans HC Kubiak was the OC for Denver before going to Houston, which gives a HUGE edge to Shanny/Denver because they know him and his system so well. Avoid Daniels like the plague this week.

Doesn't Kubiak know Denver's system really well?

Kubiak was in Denver for one season with Slowik as the DC before he left for the Texans. On the flip side, Kubiak worked for Shanny for 11 years. Slowik has 10+ years of insight via Shanny to stop Kubiak's offense. Kubiak doesn't have near as much intel on Slowik. It's already been proved that Sage doesn't look for Daniels like Schaub did, and the coaching disadvantage will only make it worse for the TE. I don't expect more than one or two targets this week for Owen, and certainly I don't expect Daniels to record a single reception.

The coaching was a very good pt... I myself forget the Kub / Shanny relationship... but expecting only 1 or 2 targets and no Recs is a little crazy for a guy who has clearly been the #2 target on the team. I'll sig bet he gets atleast 3 recs Thursday, double or nothing .

 

[BusterTBronco]

Ian Gold is awful in coverage. I think Owen Daniels is primed for a huge game.

 

[TxBuckeye]

The coaching was a very good pt... I myslef forget the Kub / Shanny relationship... but expecting only 1 or 2 targets and no Recs is a little crazy for a guy who has clearly been the #2 target on the team. I'll sig bet he gets atleast 3 recs Thursday, double or nothing .

You have to realize, H.K. has a flair for the dramatic. It would be beneath him to say "1 or 2 receptions," not enough effect.

 

[H.K.]

I'll sig bet he gets at least 3 recs Thursday, double or nothing .

You got it!

 

[TxBuckeye]

I'll sig bet he gets at least 3 recs Thursday, double or nothing .

You got it!

Wow, way to step up! Seriously, going for a bet of NO receptions, that takes cahones.

 

[KellysHeroes]

The coaching was a very good pt... I myslef forget the Kub / Shanny relationship... but expecting only 1 or 2 targets and no Recs is a little crazy for a guy who has clearly been the #2 target on the team. I'll sig bet he gets atleast 3 recs Thursday, double or nothing .

You have to realize, H.K. has a flair for the dramatic. It would be beneath him to say "1 or 2 receptions," not enough effect.

yeah... I've learned not to get sucked into those anymore

 

[Tom Baker]

Any word on Gates? He was pretty banged up on Sunday. Hate to sit Owen and then have no tight end for this week. ### #### Thursday night game. May the NFL Network rot in hell.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Ian Gold is awful in coverage. I think Owen Daniels is primed for a huge game.

 

[TxBuckeye]

Ian Gold is awful in coverage. I think Owen Daniels is primed for a huge game.

I don't know about good, but I sure hope it's accurate.

 

[Big Blue Wrecking Crew]

Ian Gold is awful in coverage. I think Owen Daniels is primed for a huge game.

I don't know about good, but I sure hope it's accurate.

 

[renesauz]

whats this? an informative post in the shark pool? interesting..Interestingly enough denver has been one of the toughest matchups for TEs in years past. Not this year.. I agree with the OP.. Daniels makes a great play this week. Trap games happen but you have to play the percentages. Who is the WR3 you would bench for Daniels?

thanks to this thread, I am now starting Daniels over Shockey; and added Daniels off WW (for Shockey) instead of Scheffler.

Daniels was on your WW??????

 

[-OZ-]

whats this? an informative post in the shark pool? interesting..Interestingly enough denver has been one of the toughest matchups for TEs in years past. Not this year.. I agree with the OP.. Daniels makes a great play this week. Trap games happen but you have to play the percentages. Who is the WR3 you would bench for Daniels?

thanks to this thread, I am now starting Daniels over Shockey; and added Daniels off WW (for Shockey) instead of Scheffler.

Daniels was on your WW??????

smallish league, only 3 bench spots, so you aren't likely to use one on a TE. I didn't bother looking at TEs while Shockey was doing alright. although I'm really not sure why people rostered Olsen, DesClark, and Pope over him.

 

[Big Blue Wrecking Crew]

Bump, as the game is tonight!

 

[Max Power]

Bump, as the game is tonight!

I'm pumped for tonight. Guy I am playing has 4 guys going (A.Johnson, B.Marshall, D.Walker and Elam)As for me, I am rolling with Daniels. My call for Daniels tonight... 5 rec 75 yards 1 TD color me optimistic

 

[BobbyLayne]

Back forth on this one.

Owens has started 9 games for me, Scheffler 3 (Scaife started WKs 1-2).

Tough calls on both TE and DT this week, but will probably stay with the status quo (Daniels and GB). Just don't see enough upside to starting Scheffler; I thought he had a good thing going with Cutler last year, but he's been hit or miss all year.

 

[FGITLOTR]

Due to the bad weather heading to NY on Sunday, I'm starting Daniels over Cooley--anyone else making this kind of gutsy move?

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Posted this thread last week, as I noticed Daniels seemed to produce less w/ Sage at the helm (less targets, lower production...)

I've noticed the dropoff in Daniels' production with Sage too. What's interesting is that Daniels' outlier game from last year was a 9 catch / 99 yard / 2 TD effort in Week 8 against the Titans. It was the only game where Rosenfels got extensive playing time last season.So it could be simply that the Rosenfels-to-Daniels connection is due by Week 15 after underproducing during a handful of games this season. It's not like Sage doesn't know what Daniels can do.

That was all garbage time numbers.When Schaub is in, Daniels gets looks - Schaub goes through his progressions and hangs in (sometimes too long as we've seen him turned to hamburger this year) to deliver the ball to the open receiver. Rosenfels is not as disciplined - hence the drop in targets, catches, and perhaps most importantly, YPC, with Sage in, which shows you how his impact in the offense is lessened...I am not bullish on Daniels this week.

 

[Jayrod]

While Denver's numbers vs. TE's appear poor, keep in mind the TE's they've faced....

Week 1: Buffalo (Royal, Everettt) - 2 rec, 15 yds

Week 2: Oakland (Miller) - 3 rec, 18 yds

Week 3: Jax (Lewis, Estandia, Wrightster) - 6 rec, 78 yds

Week 4: Indy (Clark, Fletcher) - 8 rec, 109 yds, 2 TD's

Week 5: San Diego (Gates) - 7 rec, 113 yds, 1 TD

Week 7: Pittsburgh (Miller, Spaeth) - 6 rec, 63 yds, 3 TD's

Week 8: Green Bay (Lee) - 3 rec, 34 yds

Week 9: Detroit (McHugh) - 1 rec, 46 yds

Week 10: KC (Gonzalez, Wilson) - 4 rec, 50 yds

Week 11: Tennessee (Scaife, Troupe) - 5 rec, 57 yds

Week 12: Chicago (Clark, Olsen) - 3 rec, 71 yds

Week 13: Oakland (Miller) - 3 rec, 58 yds, 1 TD

Week 14: KC (Gonzalez, Wilson) - 8 rec, 75 yds, 1 TD

They've faced Gates, Clark, H. Miller & Gonzalez(2x). 7 of 8 TD's came from those 4 TE's. The rest of the TE's they faced seem to have average days. I don't think of Daniels in the class of those 4 TE's and with Sage at the helm giving fewer targets, Daniels appears in for an average to poor day.

 

[OU#1]

I have Donald Lee and Daniels. I'm leaning towards Lee right now, but this post makes me question my move. I'm sure whoever is on my bench will post better numbers!

 

[Neo]

Posted this thread last week, as I noticed Daniels seemed to produce less w/ Sage at the helm (less targets, lower production...)

I've noticed the dropoff in Daniels' production with Sage too. What's interesting is that Daniels' outlier game from last year was a 9 catch / 99 yard / 2 TD effort in Week 8 against the Titans. It was the only game where Rosenfels got extensive playing time last season.So it could be simply that the Rosenfels-to-Daniels connection is due by Week 15 after underproducing during a handful of games this season. It's not like Sage doesn't know what Daniels can do.

That was all garbage time numbers.When Schaub is in, Daniels gets looks - Schaub goes through his progressions and hangs in (sometimes too long as we've seen him turned to hamburger this year) to deliver the ball to the open receiver. Rosenfels is not as disciplined - hence the drop in targets, catches, and perhaps most importantly, YPC, with Sage in, which shows you how his impact in the offense is lessened...I am not bullish on Daniels this week.

I always value your opinion Bloom and as someone who is starting Daniels in a TE heavy league....your off my Chirstmas card list.

 

[SteelerMurf]

Got Daniels in 2 leagues

VDavis or Daniels

and

Heath Miller or Daniels

It's almost a coin flip on both counts....don't feel real good either way in both leagues.

 

[Incogneto]

VDavis or Daniels

I have the same decision. I am going with Davis.

 

[KellysHeroes]

While Denver's numbers vs. TE's appear poor, keep in mind the TE's they've faced....Week 11: Tennessee (Scaife, Troupe) - 5 rec, 57 ydsWeek 12: Chicago (Clark, Olsen) - 3 rec, 71 ydsWeek 13: Oakland (Miller) - 3 rec, 58 yds, 1 TDWeek 14: KC (Gonzalez, Wilson) - 8 rec, 75 yds, 1 TD

this is my pt... the Denver D was been terrible when it comes to covering TEs in the last 3 Weeks. Factor in that its an away / Dome game (Denver has been a Bad Road team this yr) and this makes it a juicy match up.Would I Bn Gate / Witten or another top 5 TE... no way. But I am BNing avg players with so so match ups for Daniels tonight.

 

[Sidewinder]

VDavis or Daniels

I have the same decision. I am going with Davis.

I also have the same choice: Davis or Daniels. Right now, I've got Daniels starting. Just wondering what were the factors for you choosing Davis.

 

[TxBuckeye]

I had the Heath vs Daniels decision. Easy choice. Heath has disappeared the last three weeks.

 

[Big Blue Wrecking Crew]

VDavis or Daniels

I have the same decision. I am going with Davis.

I also have the same choice: Davis or Daniels. Right now, I've got Daniels starting. Just wondering what were the factors for you choosing Davis.

Would be interested as well. My thought is that Davis may have more upside as a primary target, but he is also more likely to produce the magical 1-10, 2-20 stat line, especially with a 3rd string QB at the helm.

 

[FGITLOTR]

anyone benching Cooley for Daniels? I love Cooley but it sounds like Giants Stadium is going to be a mess come Sunday night..Am I over analyzing the situation?

 

[Ron_Mexico]

anyone benching Cooley for Daniels? I love Cooley but it sounds like Giants Stadium is going to be a mess come Sunday night..Am I over analyzing the situation?

Dumping the ball to TEs on short routesmay be the norm on an ugly field for the Skins.I still think Cooley is a decent start over OD.

 

[Incogneto]

VDavis or Daniels

I have the same decision. I am going with Davis.

I also have the same choice: Davis or Daniels. Right now, I've got Daniels starting. Just wondering what were the factors for you choosing Davis.

Would be interested as well. My thought is that Davis may have more upside as a primary target, but he is also more likely to produce the magical 1-10, 2-20 stat line, especially with a 3rd string QB at the helm.

My feeling is that I like Davis with Hill (6 targets in the 2nd half...good security valve) better than Sage with Daniels. I feel I will get 5 pts from Daniels, but could get MORE with Davis. Floor for Davis is 3 pts, ceiling is 12+. I will take the 2 pt risk in favor of the possible 7 pt. gain.

 

[Guru]

Starting Daniels over Des Clark. I have went with him all year. I see no need to change it up at this point.