Owens and Smith (1 Viewer)

[timschochet]

I took Terrell Owens and Steve Smith with my 3rd and 4th picks. After having a great couple of weeks, they've both slowed considerably. With both guys, there's been a ton of complaints on this website. Smith will do nothing with David Carr, he's worth a 4th tier WR, etc. T.O. keeps dropping balls, he's not producing near enough, Patrick Crayton is better, etc.

Just hold on there...

The key to T.O. and Steve Smith is that they are the focal point of their teams' offense. This is why you should not bench or trade them, unless it is for another proven WR who is also the focal point of his team's offense.

This is the most important thing to remember about WRs, otherwise their numbers are too inconsistent to make judgments about. Very few WRs in the NFL are the focal point of an offense, these two are that, and that is why they remain elite WRs in FF.

 

[The Shizzle]

I think Witten is the focal point of Dallas' offense.

 

[Max Power]

only about 0.02% of this board would even think about putting Owens & smith in the Bust category, so Im not sure who this thread is ment to appeal to

 

[abe froman]

I took Terrell Owens and Steve Smith with my 3rd and 4th picks. After having a great couple of weeks, they've both slowed considerably. With both guys, there's been a ton of complaints on this website. Smith will do nothing with David Carr, he's worth a 4th tier WR, etc. T.O. keeps dropping balls, he's not producing near enough, Patrick Crayton is better, etc.Just hold on there...The key to T.O. and Steve Smith is that they are the focal point of their teams' offense. This is why you should not bench or trade them, unless it is for another proven WR who is also the focal point of his team's offense. This is the most important thing to remember about WRs, otherwise their numbers are too inconsistent to make judgments about. Very few WRs in the NFL are the focal point of an offense, these two are that, and that is why they remain elite WRs in FF.

I would think that if you wanted consistency then youd draft guys like Fitz, Coles, TJHoush, Driver..guys like T.O and Smith have never really been consistent. I had to tough out a couple 1-2 point games with smith last year..not to mention injury concerns for both. Feast or famine with those 2 for sure. Sure is nice though when they put up 2-3 TD performances with 10+ rec's and 150+ yds..Id would want 1 of them on my team to pair up with another more consistent WR in top 10 imo.

 

[oukurt]

I think Witten is the focal point of Dallas' offense.

He is. Young Garrett is wise.

 

[timschochet]

Come now, who are we kidding? Witten is a nice player but the only reason he's getting open is because teams are double teaming T.O. and leaving him on an island. He is a poor man's TJ Housh

 

[EdwardCat]

Owens has 5 catches for around 60 yards over the past two games. Considering the weak defenses the Cowboys played, I think can safely include Owens in the near-bust to bust category.

 

[TheLastDispatch]

Owens has 5 catches for around 60 yards over the past two games. Considering the weak defenses the Cowboys played, I think can safely include Owens in the near-bust to bust category.

Two bad games. Had great games the first three weeks. Not even close to a bust IMO.

 

[Max Power]

Owens on pace for 67 rec 1238 yrds 10TDs

Smith on pace for 80rec 1152 yrds 16 TDs

total busts!

 

[EdwardCat]

Owens on pace for 67 rec 1238 yrds 10TDsSmith on pace for 80rec 1152 yrds 16 TDstotal busts!

True, but you also need to look at trends and current situations. Smith was on pace for those great numbers with Delhomme. If you extrapolate out his numbers with Carr, you will find they are significantly less than that. With Owens, who knows why he's stopped producing...

 

[bigfeet_88]

With Owens, who knows why he's stopped producing...

Obvious answer is that the refs hate him (no force out?... No PI call?).Better answer is he needs to stop dipping his hands in cement before the game.Joking aside, he gets plenty of targets, he just needs to convert. No need to worry about TO. I'd worry more about Smith and the QB situation.

 

[Max Power]

Owens on pace for 67 rec 1238 yrds 10TDsSmith on pace for 80rec 1152 yrds 16 TDstotal busts!

True, but you also need to look at trends and current situations. Smith was on pace for those great numbers with Delhomme. If you extrapolate out his numbers with Carr, you will find they are significantly less than that. With Owens, who knows why he's stopped producing...

I can see Smith dropping a bit due to having Carr at QB. It just blows my mind that people want to say TO is a near bust because of two games. ALL wrs have those types of games. I have no doubt that owens will catch 80 balls 1200yrds and 10 TDs.I just dont understand what people are expecting from a #1WR.I mean looking at the trends is overrated. I can use the same argument to say that Crayton's last 2 games is a trend that If continued for the rest of the season, he will average 6.5 rec 124 yds and 1.5 TDs per game.

 

[EdwardCat]

Owens on pace for 67 rec 1238 yrds 10TDsSmith on pace for 80rec 1152 yrds 16 TDstotal busts!

True, but you also need to look at trends and current situations. Smith was on pace for those great numbers with Delhomme. If you extrapolate out his numbers with Carr, you will find they are significantly less than that. With Owens, who knows why he's stopped producing...

I can see Smith dropping a bit due to having Carr at QB. It just blows my mind that people want to say TO is a near bust because of two games. ALL wrs have those types of games. I have no doubt that owens will catch 80 balls 1200yrds and 10 TDs.I just dont understand what people are expecting from a #1WR.I mean looking at the trends is overrated. I can use the same argument to say that Crayton's last 2 games is a trend that If continued for the rest of the season, he will average 6.5 rec 124 yds and 1.5 TDs per game.

Looking at trends is far from over-rated. If you examine Kevin Curtis' stats from all his games up to, and including, his big game, he was in store to have a great season. However, the trend shows that is not true. Steve Smith has not had a great game since Carr was instituted at QB. Smith's numbers will drop dramatically from where they were expected to be unless Carr can turn it around or Moore can get the ball to him.If you look at trends for Crayton, you'd see that your prediction of those gaudy numbers isn't true. You are using a two game sample rather than looking at the big picture.Trend-wise, Owens probably will not be a bust. People don't expect number 1 receivers to barely produce anything in back to back weeks, however.

 

[JimboJim]

Owens on pace for 67 rec 1238 yrds 10TDsSmith on pace for 80rec 1152 yrds 16 TDstotal busts!

True, but you also need to look at trends and current situations. Smith was on pace for those great numbers with Delhomme. If you extrapolate out his numbers with Carr, you will find they are significantly less than that. With Owens, who knows why he's stopped producing...

I can see Smith dropping a bit due to having Carr at QB. It just blows my mind that people want to say TO is a near bust because of two games. ALL wrs have those types of games. I have no doubt that owens will catch 80 balls 1200yrds and 10 TDs.I just dont understand what people are expecting from a #1WR.I mean looking at the trends is overrated. I can use the same argument to say that Crayton's last 2 games is a trend that If continued for the rest of the season, he will average 6.5 rec 124 yds and 1.5 TDs per game.

Looking at trends is far from over-rated. If you examine Kevin Curtis' stats from all his games up to, and including, his big game, he was in store to have a great season. However, the trend shows that is not true. Steve Smith has not had a great game since Carr was instituted at QB. Smith's numbers will drop dramatically from where they were expected to be unless Carr can turn it around or Moore can get the ball to him.If you look at trends for Crayton, you'd see that your prediction of those gaudy numbers isn't true. You are using a two game sample rather than looking at the big picture.Trend-wise, Owens probably will not be a bust. People don't expect number 1 receivers to barely produce anything in back to back weeks, however.

Smith had 4/47 and a TD last week. I'll take 10 points from my any of my starting WRs every week.This has got to be one of the worst knee-jerk reactions I've seen around here in a long time.After week 5, Smith is ranked as the #5 WR and Owens is #9.2 Weeks of poor outings hardly makes a trend for any player. Is Ronnie Brown a bust this season because he played badly in weeks 1 & 2? Oh wait, he's the #1 ranked RB after week five.Move on...

 

[Keys Myaths]

Christ.

Smith is the #5 WR in fantasy football. Owens in 9th.

Methinks someone needs to know what "bust" means.

 

[j ViLLA x PE]

Christ.Smith is the #5 WR in fantasy football. Owens in 9th.Methinks someone needs to know what "bust" means.

I have T.O. on my team and not givin up on himA team UNDEFEATED in my league has Roy Williams and Steve Smith, and just traded Steve Smith and Jon Kitna for Carson Palmer and marques Colston. I dont know who won that deal

 

[bumpman]

Owens on pace for 67 rec 1238 yrds 10TDs

Smith on pace for 80rec 1152 yrds 16 TDs

total busts!

True, but you also need to look at trends and current situations. Smith was on pace for those great numbers with Delhomme. If you extrapolate out his numbers with Carr, you will find they are significantly less than that. With Owens, who knows why he's stopped producing...

I can see Smith dropping a bit due to having Carr at QB. It just blows my mind that people want to say TO is a near bust because of two games. ALL wrs have those types of games. I have no doubt that owens will catch 80 balls 1200yrds and 10 TDs.

I just dont understand what people are expecting from a #1WR.

I mean looking at the trends is overrated. I can use the same argument to say that Crayton's last 2 games is a trend that If continued for the rest of the season, he will average 6.5 rec 124 yds and 1.5 TDs per game.

Looking at trends is far from over-rated. If you examine Kevin Curtis' stats from all his games up to, and including, his big game, he was in store to have a great season. However, the trend shows that is not true. Steve Smith has not had a great game since Carr was instituted at QB. Smith's numbers will drop dramatically from where they were expected to be unless Carr can turn it around or Moore can get the ball to him.If you look at trends for Crayton, you'd see that your prediction of those gaudy numbers isn't true. You are using a two game sample rather than looking at the big picture.

Trend-wise, Owens probably will not be a bust. People don't expect number 1 receivers to barely produce anything in back to back weeks, however.

Two games is not a trend, especially for a guy like TO who historically runs hot and cold. For example, in 2002 here were TOs stats from the first four games of the season:4-41-0

5-38-1

2-33-0

7-89-0

He ended that season with 100-1300-13

Many people sold low on TO that year because he was a high round "bust" as demonstrated by a small sample size of games. The guys who bought low likely won championships with him because he scored 82-1099-12 in the last twelve games.

Look at TO in 2006 at Dallas in the first three games:

4-41-0

5-38-1

2-33-0

He finished with 85-1180-13

If you really want to understand these guys, look at the trends they have had in the past years, not in the past two weeks.

 

[Hawk]

Christ.Smith is the #5 WR in fantasy football. Owens in 9th.Methinks someone needs to know what "bust" means.

No kidding. I'll go ahead and trade you Lee Evans, Mark Clayton and Reggie Brown. Those guys are busts. Owens and Smith...not so much.

 

[EdwardCat]

Owens on pace for 67 rec 1238 yrds 10TDs

Smith on pace for 80rec 1152 yrds 16 TDs

total busts!

True, but you also need to look at trends and current situations. Smith was on pace for those great numbers with Delhomme. If you extrapolate out his numbers with Carr, you will find they are significantly less than that. With Owens, who knows why he's stopped producing...

I can see Smith dropping a bit due to having Carr at QB. It just blows my mind that people want to say TO is a near bust because of two games. ALL wrs have those types of games. I have no doubt that owens will catch 80 balls 1200yrds and 10 TDs.

I just dont understand what people are expecting from a #1WR.

I mean looking at the trends is overrated. I can use the same argument to say that Crayton's last 2 games is a trend that If continued for the rest of the season, he will average 6.5 rec 124 yds and 1.5 TDs per game.

Looking at trends is far from over-rated. If you examine Kevin Curtis' stats from all his games up to, and including, his big game, he was in store to have a great season. However, the trend shows that is not true. Steve Smith has not had a great game since Carr was instituted at QB. Smith's numbers will drop dramatically from where they were expected to be unless Carr can turn it around or Moore can get the ball to him.If you look at trends for Crayton, you'd see that your prediction of those gaudy numbers isn't true. You are using a two game sample rather than looking at the big picture.

Trend-wise, Owens probably will not be a bust. People don't expect number 1 receivers to barely produce anything in back to back weeks, however.

Two games is not a trend, especially for a guy like TO who historically runs hot and cold. For example, in 2002 here were TOs stats from the first four games of the season:4-41-0

5-38-1

2-33-0

7-89-0

He ended that season with 100-1300-13

Many people sold low on TO that year because he was a high round "bust" as demonstrated by a small sample size of games. The guys who bought low likely won championships with him because he scored 82-1099-12 in the last twelve games.

Look at TO in 2006 at Dallas in the first three games:

4-41-0

5-38-1

2-33-0

He finished with 85-1180-13

If you really want to understand these guys, look at the trends they have had in the past years, not in the past two weeks.

You misunderstand me if you think I'm just going on the past two weeks. But, that's okay. I no longer think Owens will be a bust. Yes, my first post in this thread was a knee-jerk reaction. However, I do believe Steve Smith is in for a rough rest of the year.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

I think the question is weather or not the Dallas Offense will continue to dominate the way it has. Regardless of what Owens has done the past couple of weeks you know his numbers will come. The real question is do you believe that Tony Romo will be Manning like or not. If not, then TOs numbers could land him in the 8-12 range.