Pain Killerz (1 Viewer)

[Dismattle]

Nearly two-thirds of NFL players in an ESPN survey say they feel the use of chemical painkillers would be reduced if the league approved marijuana for the same use.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/17951858/nfl-players-legal-pot-equals-fewer-painkillers

Yes, I understand that some are gonna take a swig of beer, and try explain to explain that "Doctor prescribed pain-meds are acceptable.. "  (We need to leave the pot smoking to the red-necks) 

So, Id ask that you let the fishing bait soak, and provide your thoughts on the actual story!

For example: Would you accept your judgement, if lets say J. Gordon is believed to have some debilitating illness that is all but eliminated, with "pain meds"?  

                     The Skins may have just lost their Star L Tackle for four weeks, because he missed a drop..

For me, its almost like I view the "War on Drugs" as a slight of hands trick..  The Govt prints money to pay folks (both good, and bad) to eliminate drugs.  Personally, I don't believe its quite feasible, at this time.  (Wish as much as ya care)  However, when someone does develop a plan of action?  Will they (USA Govt.) make the excuse, that the printers have been over-used? 

Now, dont get me wrong..  I strongly feel, if the USA trully enjoys slogan advertising "Land of the Free"?  We need changes..  Basically, I have a hard time understanding quite a few things.  I mean if there is someone you dont care to see, much less hear from?  Why should you or I care that they ___?  

Now, I don't wanna hammer Love each other!   However, I would suggest showing signs of respect, especially if dealing with subject matter, that is of little experience to you!  Right now, Im watching the Cubs fan celebrate with beer! (ESPN)  Ya know some are gonna be drinking n driving.. Its a bad combo! 

Dont forget "sugar pills" will work miracles..  What something does is not nearly important as what a person believes.

 

[Pickle Rody]

I'm a fairly intelligent man and I can usually get a grasp of what folks are trying to say with their typed words on a message board but,.........I find it impossible to ferret through your rambling nonsensical diatribe and understand what the eff you're trying to say. 

The article? Sure, makes sense. You? Not even close.

 

[Boone22]

I'm a fairly intelligent man and I can usually get a grasp of what folks are trying to say with their typed words on a message board but,.........I find it impossible to ferret through your rambling nonsensical diatribe and understand what the eff you're trying to say. 

The article? Sure, makes sense. You? Not even close.

I think the OP might be high on that marijuana stuff all those young kids are talking about.  What do they call it?  "Mary Jane?"

 

[unckeyherb]

 

[Pickle Rody]

It's not a weed issue.

 

[Bill S]

The post makes no sense.  However, the fact that the NFL has no problem pumping theses guys full of dangerous and addictive opiate painkillers is abhorent and extremely hypocritical.  The fact that alcohol, which is a drug, is celebrated in our culture, while marijuana is illegal and demonized makes zero sense if you take more than 30 seconds to think about it.  It is the result of government propoganda going back to the 50s.  Now big pharma is spending millions to try to stop amy sort of legal weed....

 

[nightmare]

Players are using pot as a pain med. The smart(er) ones know to stop in the off season
and can be clean for the pre season drug test. The not so smart ones get weeded out.

The NFL drug policy is an I.Q. test. We tell you when your going to be tested, test clean,
do not get caught holding or using, and you never have any problems with the league.
I don't have any facts to back these statements up.

The NFL has a drug policy that from a PR standpoint looks good for all the anti drug
viewers but has a giant loophole for players that need season long and relatively safe
pain management.     
 

 

[Bill S]

True.  It's sad the way our culture views weed.  But, yeah, these guys should be able to stop for a few days and pass the test.  Of course, football players have never been known for being super smart.

I like how Le'Veon strategically "forgot" about a scheduled test in the off-season.  Lol

 

[MikeApf]

Players are using pot as a pain med. The smart(er) ones know to stop in the off season
and can be clean for the pre season drug test. The not so smart ones get weeded out.

The NFL drug policy is an I.Q. test. We tell you when your going to be tested, test clean,
do not get caught holding or using, and you never have any problems with the league.
I don't have any facts to back these statements up.

The NFL has a drug policy that from a PR standpoint looks good for all the anti drug
viewers but has a giant loophole for players that need season long and relatively safe
pain management.     
 

Ah, I saw what you did there!  

 

[Interseptopus]

@Dismattle

https://youtu.be/LQCU36pkH7c

 

[Stompin' Tom Connors]

All for the legalization of pot, and the effects on the body as a pain controller are fairly well documented. 

I just fear the impacts as a result, such as the ballooning of Eddy Lacy, Nate Newton-like road trips, etc. Need my fantasy players to stay motivated and active, and not be missing practices or games being couch-locked by an especially dank and stanky strain with an XBox controller in one hand and a bag of Jacked Doritos in the other. That's my job, dammit.

 

[themitch]

The OP reminds me of the below link.  Basically they use the AI that populates your phone with what to type next to write a screenplay and act it out.  Could the new FBG forum layout be learning from our posts and making it's own?!

http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/681599/WATCH-video-AI-computer-program-writes-SCREENPLAY-film-movie-script

 

[Dizzy]

I am all for marijuana for recreational use. If alcohol consumption is legal, there is absolutely no argument to made against marijuana. Crusty old lawmakers love their cocktails though, so god forbid you draw upon that comparison.

As a painkiller, OK, yes... if that's the angle that gets old farts to view it in a different light I'll support that too.

Problem #1 far and away is labeling marijuana as a "drug"... that words scares people and carries a stigma. Lot's of people use "herbal remedies" though.

Also, when you read the OP to yourself, do it imagining Joe Walsh's voice... makes perfect sense then.

 

[Hankmoody]

I remember when I told my parents if they let me eat candy then I wouldn't drink so much pop and that would be so much better for my teeth.

That didn't work either.

 

[Dizzy]

I remember when I told my parents if they let me eat candy then I wouldn't drink so much pop and that would be so much better for my teeth.

That didn't work either.

Shame on you. Everyone knows that candy is the "gateway drug" to soda (pop?).

Come to think of it, both candy and soda are closer to being "drugs" than marijuana.

 

[Dismattle]

I'm a fairly intelligent man and I can usually get a grasp of what folks are trying to say with their typed words on a message board but,.........I find it impossible to ferret through your rambling nonsensical diatribe and understand what the eff you're trying to say. 

The article? Sure, makes sense. You? Not even close.

Im sure when the media uses proper Kings English, with cutesy punctuation marks?  Im thinking they got ya hook, line, and sinker, thinking what they care to make ya think..  Im not trying to disappoint you.. Im just helping you to understand what your trying to say..

Now if you like, its okay to either stop "wasting your idle time" clicking on threads (Ive made)  Or  I really wouldn't feel hurt in the least if ya "blocked"..

I realize ya may have a clique/following who enjoy your "wit", but Im quite sure most, find either my response or your rhetoric disappointing at best..  Its sorta like if your not part of the solution?  You're part of the problem.

It shouldn't matter if a person is fairly ignorant, or fairly intelligent.  Whats most important is showing respect. 

Please explain how the article makes sense to you?  Have you already made some plans of sorts, for any changes in your Life..  (imho) What you've stated is similar to a foreigner, who will always respond Yes, shaking his head in agreement to simple questions like "Do you understand?"   Sadly in reality, they haven't the foggiest.. 

Again the subject:  painkillers would be reduced if the league approved marijuana  First, what IF its True?  What would this mean for actual Players.  Its sorta like reading about actual snake oil to comprehend the potential..   Some of you may recall seeing the movie "North Dallas Forty" where I believe it appeared that pain meds were combined with beer..  Thats not something for athletes to be ingesting, certainly not the ones striving to be the best..  

Anyway, my apologies if this view/angle has fallen on deaf ears..  I personally enjoy seeing the greatest play NFL ball..  Players like Josh Gordon, who cant play..  It just seems wrong..  

 

[Skoo]

Im sure when the media uses proper Kings English, with cutesy punctuation marks?  Im thinking they got ya hook, line, and sinker, thinking what they care to make ya think..  Im not trying to disappoint you.. Im just helping you to understand what your trying to say..

Now if you like, its okay to either stop "wasting your idle time" clicking on threads (Ive made)  Or  I really wouldn't feel hurt in the least if ya "blocked"..

I realize ya may have a clique/following who enjoy your "wit", but Im quite sure most, find either my response or your rhetoric disappointing at best..  Its sorta like if your not part of the solution?  You're part of the problem.

It shouldn't matter if a person is fairly ignorant, or fairly intelligent.  Whats most important is showing respect. 

Please explain how the article makes sense to you?  Have you already made some plans of sorts, for any changes in your Life..  (imho) What you've stated is similar to a foreigner, who will always respond Yes, shaking his head in agreement to simple questions like "Do you understand?"   Sadly in reality, they haven't the foggiest.. 

Again the subject:  painkillers would be reduced if the league approved marijuana  First, what IF its True?  What would this mean for actual Players.  Its sorta like reading about actual snake oil to comprehend the potential..   Some of you may recall seeing the movie "North Dallas Forty" where I believe it appeared that pain meds were combined with beer..  Thats not something for athletes to be ingesting, certainly not the ones striving to be the best..  

Anyway, my apologies if this view/angle has fallen on deaf ears..  I personally enjoy seeing the greatest play NFL ball..  Players like Josh Gordon, who cant play..  It just seems wrong..  

Dude, not trying to be mean but I think you need to take a writing class.

Each paragraph should contain one thought. Start with a topic sentence, then in the next sentences give reasons for that assertion.

Communication is everything. It doesn't matter what great ideas or thoughts you have if you are unable to convey them.

Slow down. Once you're done typing, read each sentence aloud and see if it makes sense.

 

[Pickle Rody]

That clears it up. My bad. Moving along........aaaand, we're walking......

 

[Dizzy]

This very well could turn out to be the thread of the year, painful as it is to read (where's the pipe?).

 

[Dedfin]

100% certain Dismattle is on salvia

 

[Dizzy]

100% certain Dismattle is on salvia

I'm not 100% certain that Dismattle wasn't trying to spell Dismantle.

 

[Pipes]

The post makes no sense.  However, the fact that the NFL has no problem pumping theses guys full of dangerous and addictive opiate painkillers is abhorent and extremely hypocritical.  The fact that alcohol, which is a drug, is celebrated in our culture, while marijuana is illegal and demonized makes zero sense if you take more than 30 seconds to think about it.  It is the result of government propoganda going back to the 50s.  Now big pharma is spending millions to try to stop amy sort of legal weed....

Your last sentence says it all.  Look at all the money drug companies are paying to advertise during NFL games.  Half the commercials are honking boner pills.  The NFL has millions of reasons to outlaw pot and it has nothing to do with their image.

 

[SameSongNDance]

 

[Franknbeans]

I am voting yes on question 4 in a few days.

 

[FUBAR]

True.  It's sad the way our culture views weed.  But, yeah, these guys should be able to stop for a few days and pass the test.  Of course, football players have never been known for being super smart.

I like how Le'Veon strategically "forgot" about a scheduled test in the off-season.  Lol

It's more than a few days - 14 to 30 depending on the test, metabolism, etc. But your point is spot on.  

 

[Jed]

Dude, not trying to be mean but I think you need to take a writing class.

Each paragraph should contain one thought. Start with a topic sentence, then in the next sentences give reasons for that assertion.

Communication is everything. It doesn't matter what great ideas or thoughts you have if you are unable to convey them.

Slow down. Once you're done typing, read each sentence aloud and see if it makes sense.

He's got to be foreign. It's just not the typing of someone with English as their first language.

 

[Chaka]

Im sure when the media uses proper Kings English, with cutesy punctuation marks?  Im thinking they got ya hook, line, and sinker, thinking what they care to make ya think..  Im not trying to disappoint you.. Im just helping you to understand what your trying to say..

Now if you like, its okay to either stop "wasting your idle time" clicking on threads (Ive made)  Or  I really wouldn't feel hurt in the least if ya "blocked"..

I realize ya may have a clique/following who enjoy your "wit", but Im quite sure most, find either my response or your rhetoric disappointing at best..  Its sorta like if your not part of the solution?  You're part of the problem.

It shouldn't matter if a person is fairly ignorant, or fairly intelligent.  Whats most important is showing respect. 

Please explain how the article makes sense to you?  Have you already made some plans of sorts, for any changes in your Life..  (imho) What you've stated is similar to a foreigner, who will always respond Yes, shaking his head in agreement to simple questions like "Do you understand?"   Sadly in reality, they haven't the foggiest.. 

Again the subject:  painkillers would be reduced if the league approved marijuana  First, what IF its True?  What would this mean for actual Players.  Its sorta like reading about actual snake oil to comprehend the potential..   Some of you may recall seeing the movie "North Dallas Forty" where I believe it appeared that pain meds were combined with beer..  Thats not something for athletes to be ingesting, certainly not the ones striving to be the best..  

Anyway, my apologies if this view/angle has fallen on deaf ears..  I personally enjoy seeing the greatest play NFL ball..  Players like Josh Gordon, who cant play..  It just seems wrong..  

Yeah Dis, I agree that he was rude with his statement but the underlying point is true.

You do not communicate effectively and it distracts from what is actually an interesting topic.  It may be your shtick, but really it was SWCs first and at least he has the good sense to keep his posts very, very short.

 

[Chaka]

The one issue I have with legal weed is that most of our thinking is based on experiences with weed that wasn't nearly as potent as what they are producing today. I am not sure all the arguments in favor, and there are many of them, will hold up long now that weed is so much stronger than it used to be.

But as an alternative pain med? Yes, it should absolutely be allowed.  Heck it should be encouraged.

 

[Dismattle]

Yeah Dis, I agree that he was rude with his statement but the underlying point is true.

You do not communicate effectively and it distracts from what is actually an interesting topic.  It may be your shtick, but really it was SWCs first and at least he has the good sense to keep his posts very, very short.

While this isnt the Free for All forum..  I can only push so hard on commenting.   Im pretty sure that I was getting the right feed to really let loose too.

Guilty as charged..  I really dont want to speak too inform anyone (especially unsolicited)  Now I do try and put out, what I deem somewhat valuable info.  However at times, I need to edit things which sound too subjective.   Theres an increased power in using things like emotion, to convey thought provoking banter..  I know you would like an example, right?

Well how about we entertain the meat, of our current subject (legalities)  Now I believe Bill puffed, but didnt inhale..  Can you believe that Hillary may have some feelings, on the "drug"?  What about her talk of helping the poor?  Hold on a min..  Lets backup..  Can you see any signs that Trump (Fed gvt.) would see logic in any changes? 

Before ya answer/respond..  Do you know of any items that may have been shelved, because an investor stood to lose monies, with its release?  The question itself may make you consider your very own investments..  (Are you aware that we have 10 days in red for investing?)

Its probably worth noting that Im kinda torn on this subject..  I believe God created everything, for us..  However, were all different..  I believe some are challenged, and because of this?  Its almost necessary to have rules/limits and guidelines..  For instance:  Would I like the idea of Ruff being able to treat his hangover with a morph PCA?  Im thinking No, not so much..

Ya know whats kinda interesting to me..  I actually might have subluxed a rib, a few weeks back.  The initial few days was kinda excruciating LOL  (Im not sure anyone has experienced pain until you tear a muscle, and surrounding muscles attempt to protect it.)  I cant just go purchase muscle relaxers.. Chiro cant prescribe em..  Doctors now worry about prescribing period.  (tbh)  Im not sure I like the idea of hiding pain, because I think there is an increased risk for more damage..

Btw Chaka, Im not to impressed to hear ya say "my shtick", but would ya be shocked if I said I dunno/care who/what SWC your referring?  Ive atcually had ya blocked for sometime.  However ya did say Dis, and sorta sounded intelligent..  (Basically just the opposite of derogatory, and ignorant type chat)  Im hoping ya can look past the blockage, and not disappoint.. 

p.s.  Its possible, I wouldn't change anything if I could..  But, I sure do enjoy knowing what others may believe..  (Sadly, some dont know enough, to fully express themselves)  Also, IF I lost anyone stating "Well how about we entertain the meat, of our current subject (legalities)"  Im just trying to point out that the Feds havnt really changed any laws afaik (Only States)

* morph PCA  Morphine Patient-controlled analgesia  

The most common form of patient-controlled analgesia is self-administration of oral over-the-counter or prescription painkillers. For example, if a headache does not resolve with a small dose of an oral analgesic, more may be taken. As pain is a combination of tissue damage and emotional state, being in control means reducing the emotional component of pain

In a hospital setting, a PCA refers to an electronically controlled infusion pump that delivers an amount of intravenous analgesic when the patient presses a button.[4] PCA can be used for both acute and chronic pain patients. It is commonly used for post-operative pain management, and for end-stage cancer patients

 

[ConnSKINS26]

JFC

 

[Chaka]

While this isnt the Free for All forum..  I can only push so hard on commenting.   Im pretty sure that I was getting the right feed to really let loose too. Okay

Guilty as charged..  I really dont want to speak too inform anyone (especially unsolicited)  Now I do try and put out, what I deem somewhat valuable info.  However at times, I need to edit things which sound too subjective.   Theres an increased power in using things like emotion, to convey thoug-ht provoking banter.. Okay most of this made sense. I know you would like an example, right? Nope, I'm good.

Btw Chaka, Im not to impressed to hear ya say "my shtick", but would ya be shocked if I said I dunno/care who/what SWC your referring?  Ive atcually had ya blocked for sometime.  However ya did say Dis, and sorta sounded intelligent..  (Basically just the opposite of derogatory, and ignorant type chat)  Im hoping ya can look past the blockage, and not disappoint. If you blocked me how did you see my post? No one quoted it and I didn't use an @Dismattle.

No worries either way, just thought you would want to know that many (most?) people just bypass your longer posts, not because the underlying content is poor rather because you do not effectively communicate your point.

This is a very interesting and important topic (although we may not have known that if your OP didn't open up with that link).  I completely support the use of marijuana as a substitute for opiates.  The reasons don't need to be enumerated upon because we have heard them many times.  And, yes, I completely understand that Big Pharma is vehemently opposed because it will hurt their profits.

My concern comes with the recreational use of marijuana.  I used to be a big time smoker but I quit about five years ago in part because the strains that are available today are significantly more potent, by an order of magnitude, than the stuff I was smoking 20 years ago.  I think much of the data that people use to support recreational use is based upon much weaker strains of marijuana and, therefore may not apply to the stuff that is available today.  Additionally the rise in the use of edibles as a delivery system is of great concern as it hits the user much differently and dosage control is more difficult.  I still believe that you cannot OD on smoked marijuana but I am not so certain about it when it comes in edible form.  Add in the fact that many edibles are in the form of chocolate and candies it significantly increases the likelihood of accidental consumption by children and I think that delivery system is highly irresponsible (they have seen a large spike of children being brought to emergency rooms for marijuana overdose in Colorado).  If they are going to allow the sale of edibles it should probably be in pill format.

Ultimately I am still in favor of legalizing marijuana for recreational use but not as strongly as I was five, ten or twenty years ago.

 

[Dismattle]

I uncheck/select to view some posts (figuring I got some idea, whats posted)  heck, I aint even logged on when i use my Iphone to view FBG..  Personally, I think the one liner (copycat) posts are actually the worst..  Guys read a post like yours, and then make an attempt to reuse the best part.

I appreciate your taking the time to explain your thoughts (dont get me wrong)  Now if (or when) I change some.....

Shouldn't anything using the title "drug" be something that a person can OD?  I mean we do have alcohol "poisoning"  (LOL  They didnt even care to use the word)

Once again my apology's for attempting to bring ya guys into my World a bit..  I mean most of ya know "trainers" have been accused of providing "HGH"..  Team Dr's provide God knows what for a game day performance..  Then we see reactions like we did for a guy like Josh Gordon?  Seriously  Have ya read? http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/05/obama-and-his-pot-smoking-choom-gang/

The word is called hypocrisy..  Its like most people are immune.  When there exposed, it is shoulder shrugged.

Anyway, Football is about physicality!  There will be injuries, and pain.  The body is a temple. (right)  Shouldn't players be reaching for the least toxicity.  Now I realize its hard to picture a higher power smoking a joint.. (Brownie works No?)   However, were talking needles/syringes here  ..

 

[Mr. Know-It-All]

Please change thread title to Reefer Madness.

I am okay with the legalization, taxation and control of marijuana in a manner similar to alcohol.  It makes financial sense, and those who abuse it, much like those who abuse other legal mind altering substances do so of their own free will and knowing the consequences of the abuse.  So, just like alcohol their would be a necessity for increased treatment so that should be reflected in the taxation.

 

[Chaka]

I am no longer willing to concede that one cannot OD on marijuana.  The strains have become incredibly potent and edibles are processed in an entirely different manner. 

 

[Dismattle]

Chaka  I sorta understand your view..  I have difficulty with absolutes.  For instance, I would suspect a "pre-existing condition" could lead to trouble..  The question that wouldnt be posed, and/or answered:  Would it have happened without THC consumption?

Mr Know..  I do not really care to change the Title..  There is so many questions, that I really cant answer, involving Reefer..  (tbh) I cant be for certain that I aspire to be the catalyst for Legal Fun..  Seriously though..  Ive been wracking my brain on several points of interest..  Who or What are "they" scared about in protecting all the absurdness around the cultivation/use of herbs..  Does the powers that be not take kindly to the thought that folks may not care to listen to prolonged brain-washing? YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH  An important note is that some folks probably already know the changes that would come..  (Im sure some of it is financial, but its usually power n status changes which are not taken very kindly) 

But yeah, Im with ya Chaka to an extent..  (Time 4 Links)

http://www.leafscience.com/2014/08/26/can-you-overdose-on-marijuana

(*You'll see the receptor part)  How about this: 

Studies show that marijuana has a therapeutic index of 40,000:1. This means someone would have to take 40,000 times the normal amount of marijuana in order to die.

Opioid-based painkillers have much lower therapeutic indexes. For example, the therapeutic index of morphine is only 70:1.

I guess we cant really google how many times a person has tried taking just one or two more pills of ___ in order to try an drop their pain level just one number..  But damn  How about hearing the Doc say:   Okay I need ya too smoke a pretty good size joint..  Wait at least two-three minutes..  Then just rinse and repeat until you feel good..

https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/treatment/cam/hp/cannabis-pdq#section/all

In 1937, the U.S. Treasury Department introduced the Marihuana Tax Act. This Act imposed a levy of $1 per ounce for medicinal use of Cannabis and $100 per ounce for nonmedical use. Physicians in the United States were the principal opponents of the Act. The American Medical Association (AMA) opposed the Act because physicians were required to pay a special tax for prescribing Cannabis, use special order forms to procure it, and keep special records concerning its professional use. In addition, the AMA believed that objective evidence that Cannabis was harmful was lacking and that passage of the Act would impede further research into its medicinal worth.[6] In 1942, Cannabis was removed from the U.S. Pharmacopoeia because of persistent concerns about its potential to cause harm

Aint that something?  DR's take a Hippocratic oath, consisting of words like   " Above all, I must not play at God.. "  Yet, the AMA was distraught over extra paperwork (trails)..

The AMA has come along way..  Instead, now they just provide a signature that shows you have a problem..

Okay so back to the link/story...

42 percent believe they have had a teammate become addicted to chemical painkillers.

I know Im a Football Fan(atic), so its possible that some/most/all of you cant relate to the elation I have felt for players in special games..  I mean its one thing to be saddened about fame n fortune providing a means for them to become a Cqle- head..  However, an addiction to an unneeded drug?  (imho) This goes past CTE concerns.  The player could potentially be left to living an existence, with those around him, full of ridicule.. 

Trust me, I dont want em feeling like a "God"..  But, We're talking a risk involving the loss of God given ability..

 

[Chaka]

It is frustrating that marijuana was not removed from the list of schedule one drugs last month as many thought would happen.

Ignoring recreational use for a moment the medical benefits of cancer are clear from both the palliative perspective, which most people trumpet, but also from the curative perspective which the majority of people still haven't caught up with.

While marijuana is not a "cure for cancer" as some pot-heads like to trumpet (because they watched that one episode of Archer but never followed it up with, y'know actually looking up the peer reviewed studies) but it does seem to have legitimate anti-tumor effects for some types of cancer and therefore should be part of the front line treatment for those types of cancer.

The real irony (or is it a black fly in my chardonnay?) is that the entire reason marijuana is so vilified (or at least the prevailing belief) is 1) because wealthy Americans like Randolph Hearst, Andrew Mellon and the Du Pont family were threatened by hemp impacting their timber and nylon industries and 2) less affluent Americans living near the borders were worried about the influx of Mexican immigrants who they associated with increased marijuana usage.

Rich people promoting an anti-immigrant agenda to rile up the masses to increase their own personal wealth and power.  Sound familiar?

Two reviews on the anti-tumor potential of marijuana:

Cannabinoids: potential anticancer agents

Cannabis and Cannabinoids–Health Professional Version

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Once again my apology's for attempting to bring ya guys into my World a bit.. 

You seem to not be grasping the problems most people are having with your posts. It has nothing to do with the content (almost everyone agrees with you on the topic at hand), your ability to communicate thoughts effectively is a problem on a message board.

 

[TheFanatic]

The post makes no sense.  However, the fact that the NFL has no problem pumping theses guys full of dangerous and addictive opiate painkillers is abhorent and extremely hypocritical.  The fact that alcohol, which is a drug, is celebrated in our culture, while marijuana is illegal and demonized makes zero sense if you take more than 30 seconds to think about it.  It is the result of government propoganda going back to the 50s.  Now big pharma is spending millions to try to stop amy sort of legal weed....

Amen.

The fact that doctors prescribe opiate and heroin based pain killers by the millions every year but can't prescribe pot is nuts. A very large part of our drug problem can be blamed on people getting a taste after an injury and then obtaining more from illegal sources. Doctors hand out much more severe stuff like candy, but weed is demonized. 

Before anyone jumps on me for just wanting to smoke pot, I don't, won't and never will, but I can't understand why it isn't legal, taxed and regulated. The revenue from taxes and the jobs created are a win, win, win for everyone. This is also one of the reasons I can't say I'm a Republican. It's this kind of crap that is pushed from the right. 

 

[Dismattle]

You seem to not be grasping the problems most people are having with your posts. It has nothing to do with the content (almost everyone agrees with you on the topic at hand), your ability to communicate thoughts effectively is a problem on a message board.

Id say its usually folks that I wouldnt care to speak with in person..  Ya know hoity toity types..  They only know what Im willing to share with them type peoples..

Life happens fast..  shuffle them feet!

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Id say its usually folks that I wouldnt care to speak with in person..  Ya know hoity toity types..  They only know what Im willing to share with them type peoples..

Life happens fast..  shuffle them feet!

Cool. If it suits you to brush off anyone with this criticism, that's none of my business. But you're on a message board, I assume, because you're interested in having a discussion. Otherwise there's no point in being here. And your communication skills hinder your ability to have that discussion--or at least the way you present your ideas does. You're all over the place, putting forward fragmented ideas with no organization. Makes it difficult to address. Just trying to be helpful--if it's not, I'll buzz off now.

 

[Pickle Rody]

I'd be more than 100% willing to discuss the topic of marijuana being used as a pain reliever by professional athletes (and the general public as a whole) if I could follow your thought process when discussing it. But, every post from you is fragmented and wrought with tangential thoughts/comments that even after reading them multiple times and sincerely trying to comprehend what you mean, or are trying to say, I find myself even more confused. I apologize if I came across as being rude. Might I suggest proof reading your posts prior to actually posting them.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Doh I missed this one..  I see ya now brah!

So now you have an excuse not to address my previous, extremely polite and reasonable post? I bothered to type it out because I really think you have some interesting things to say...but people are having trouble parsing out your meaning, as many posters in this thread alone have noted. You're just going to ignore us all? Seems reasonable, good luck.

 

[Pickle Rody]

Its not an issue, but ya havnt once really said or explained much of anything on that subject..  I believe our issue is why you insist on reading n responding?  Would ya care to explain..

I cannot have an informative conversation on the subject with you if every one of your posts is confusing and makes no sense. It's almost as if you have a disconnect between what you are thinking and what you actually write. Folks (a lot of them, not just me) have a desire to discuss this topic with you but your own posts and scattered thoughts on the subject make it impossible to do so. 

 

[Dismattle]

So now you have an excuse not to address my previous, extremely polite and reasonable post? I bothered to type it out because I really think you have some interesting things to say...but people are having trouble parsing out your meaning, as many posters in this thread alone have noted. You're just going to ignore us all? Seems reasonable, good luck.

You might not be half as bad as I figure  I wouldnt wish ya good luck for nothing   best id do is tell ya  take care   Now I would be nice and tell ya that you wont always get away with saying Jesus F'in Christ  

Theres nothin reasonable about showing disrespect (thats my point)  You started off saying "You seem to not be grasping"   Deja Vu for you eh

 

[nightmare]

You guys have now strayed into legal VS illegal. With the CBA and a players union that argument/discussion is USELESS.
CBA says players can't consume a hot fudge sundae before the game, no ice cream for them. CBA makes legal irrelevant.
That's just an extreme example but the players do have some some fairly harsh game day dress rules to follow. 

Pure opinion here-I do not think they put up to much of a fight to get this changed when it affects what? 2 or 3 players out
of 1100+. It appears the owners have the upper hand in the current CBA and the player reps can't deal away power trying
to protect a very small amount of guys that didn't pass the simple I.Q. test. 

Drug laws will change for the average Joe. NFL owners changing their stance-not so much.

 

[Chaka]

Id say its usually folks that I wouldnt care to speak with in person..  Ya know hoity toity types..  They only know what Im willing to share with them type peoples..

Life happens fast..  shuffle them feet!

I think I'm starting to get this guy.

 

[Dismattle]

You guys have now strayed into legal VS illegal. With the CBA and a players union that argument/discussion is USELESS.
CBA says players can't consume a hot fudge sundae before the game, no ice cream for them. CBA makes legal irrelevant.
That's just an extreme example but the players do have some some fairly harsh game day dress rules to follow. 

Pure opinion here-I do not think they put up to much of a fight to get this changed when it affects what? 2 or 3 players out
of 1100+. It appears the owners have the upper hand in the current CBA and the player reps can't deal away power trying
to protect a very small amount of guys that didn't pass the simple I.Q. test. 

Drug laws will change for the average Joe. NFL owners changing their stance-not so much.

Technically if ya read the first post..  It basically says something about "If the League"..  So yeah, part of the discussion would have been focused on The Leagues choice/right to run their own rules..  Yes, I believe a few of us understand that normal jobs can test ettc.   However, workers in general aint being administered narcotics to do their job..

No offense, but Im not sure what ya mean by "only effects 2 or 3 players"..  If your implying THC affects on the NFL?  I believe it has two or three, every time ya pay any attention, and thats just the ones caught.  Lets not forget, being caught, ignores the last five, or six instances, that went unnoticed..

I appreciate your take on what the future holds!  But, I believe some of us would also enjoy your stance on what should be happening.  ie.  Do you feel the NFL should be turning a blind eye, but at the same time providing legal services if needed?  ex.  An NFL player is caught by the Police, using marijuana..  (Should the NFL/Team perform their own justice?  Or  Should they help the player?)

Yet, all the drug tests I’ve completed at a team facility were done without a direct witness while filling the cup with a urine sample. Each year before the start of training camp every player on the roster is tested for both performance enhancing drugs and street drugs. For guys not in the NFL drug program, this surprisingly is the only time the entire year that an NFL player is tested for illegal street drugs. I have never been randomly drug tested for steroids in my three years playing in the NFL.   http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1668902-insiders-perspective-on-nfl-drug-tests#

Thats a fairly good read, but slightly dated too..  It does appear to validate the "IQ Test" aspect, of testing..  But, it sure isnt innocent until proven guilty for players, who partied in College..  (I really wanna add, players who were caught) 

With approximately 1,700 players in the sport, even by the most conservative estimate of 10 percent, that is still 170 players who use pot. If the number is 50 percent or, as Anderson said, even 60 or higher, the number climbs above 850 players. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2486218-banned-but-bountiful-marijuana-coveted-by-nfl-players-as-invaluable-painkiller

I really do hope your spot on, about "IQ testing", because Im not so sure, how some fans would react to their team more or less forfeiting the first four games of a Season (player suspensions)

Good Post though, whose to say Legalization would even have any effect on policys and/or testing..

 

[Interseptopus]

You might not be half as bad as I figure  I wouldnt wish ya good luck for nothing   best id do is tell ya  take care   Now I would be nice and tell ya that you wont always get away with saying Jesus F'in Christ  

Theres nothin reasonable about showing disrespect (thats my point)  You started off saying "You seem to not be grasping"   Deja Vu for you eh

I honestly have to re-read your postings 3 times and read them very slow (for some reason a hillbilly/Forest Gump accent comes into my mind when reading them). 

If people are having a hard time understanding you... with typed words... I can only imagine real life. It'd do you some good to try and explain yourself a bit more if you want to actually have a meaningful conversation. 

Let's start with periods (.) and apostrophes ('). Try to use them. Helps a great deal. Next lesson we will work on grammar, but this would be a great start. If you care to work ahead on the homework, run a grammar check with Microsoft Word before posting. 

 

[Dismattle]

I think I'm starting to get this guy.

While I cant be for certain, what your implying..  If my hunch is right?  Then its pure confusion.. 

I dont like to be judged..  Im far from perfect..  I judge myself quite harshly.. 

I will try to provide an example..  If I were in a bad situation in a Club?  It would not be because of my socializing, with the person that this response "quoted" was directed.. 

So anyway what ya trying to say?  Do you think you know the persona, that I would like you to believe?   However if at all possible, include actual substance to the discussion (player pain)

Thanx!

 

[nightmare]

Sorry I wasn't clear enough. I meant the guys that get caught violating the rules.
The 2 or 3 players they would help protect are currently L Bell and J Manziel. Two  
players that through Kuckle-headedness got caught and are now in the system.

I do very little "woulda, coulda, should be" posting. as we had a zillion threads
on this topic alone. I've repeated my stance on this quite a few times in a number
of these threads.

One last thing. That four game suspension isn't for the players first time violation.
I think the first two times are handled internally by the team/league and then this
stuff goes public with rapid escalations in punishment.

If this board had any kind of decent search engine, you would see a lot of posters
are confused about the drug policy and "he gets four games for that" and "it's legal
in this state" is a cry heard many times before.