Palenstine/Israel Fighting....summary? (1 Viewer)

[eoMMan]

In few sentences or less, please tell me why they are fighting?

 

[cstu]

Palestinians refuse to convert to Judaism.

/thread

 

[Foosball God]

They don't like each other.

 

[BroadwayG]

Oil

 

[joffer]

Religion

 

[timschochet]

There's really no way to answer in a few sentences. You need to read a history of the region, unfortunately.

 

[Parrothead]

Tastes Great / Less Filling

 

[urbanhack]

seriously?

 

[Charlie Steiner]

I told you once

 

[trogg78]

God left Israel to Abrahams firstborn son. But forgot to specify it had to also be with his wife.

 

[trogg78]

Oh...god is a ####.

 

[Fennis]

Religious differences going back thousands of years. Followed by thousands of years of the area being conquered, most recently by colonial powers who left drawing arbitrary borders. Followed by decades of war, mistrust, terrorism, and corruption.

 

[timschochet]

God left Israel to Abrahams firstborn son. But forgot to specify it had to also be with his wife.

Oh God said to Abraham, “Kill me a son”

Abe says, “Man, you must be puttin’ me on”

God say, “No.” Abe say, “What?”

God say, “You can do what you want Abe, but

The next time you see me comin’ you better run”

Well Abe says, “Where do you want this killin’ done?”

God says, “Out on Highway 61”

 

[eoMMan]

There's really no way to answer in a few sentences. You need to read a history of the region, unfortunately.

Okay, well, what started it all recently?

They were fine for years.

 

[eoMMan]

seriously?

Yes. I don't live over there and usually don't read Tim's posts.

 

[Fennis]

There's really no way to answer in a few sentences. You need to read a history of the region, unfortunately.

Okay, well, what started it all recently?

They were fine for years.

this is the 3rd war in Gaza in 6 years.

 

[Foosball God]

There's really no way to answer in a few sentences. You need to read a history of the region, unfortunately.

Okay, well, what started it all recently?

They were fine for years.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Religious differences going back thousands of years. Followed by thousands of years of the area being conquered, most recently by colonial powers who left drawing arbitrary borders. Followed by decades of war, mistrust, terrorism, and corruption.

This is not bad.

 

[eoMMan]

There's really no way to answer in a few sentences. You need to read a history of the region, unfortunately.

Okay, well, what started it all recently?They were fine for years.

For the most part? Didn't make the nightly news?

Better?

 

[johnnycakes]

There ain't enough room for both Joos and Palestinians in the same area.

 

[eoMMan]

So....religion and history? That it?

Why is the US helping Israel? Cause we have many Jews here? Why can't we just stay out of it?

 

[Fennis]

So....religion and history? That it?

Why is the US helping Israel? Cause we have many Jews here? Why can't we just stay out of it?

US has a long history of siding with western-style democracies to represent US interests across the world.

 

[Joe Summer]

The Palestinians believe that the land is theirs.

Israel disagrees.

 

[timschochet]

There's really no way to answer in a few sentences. You need to read a history of the region, unfortunately.

Okay, well, what started it all recently?

They were fine for years.

Yeah, um, no.

OK, very quick summary, and I'll try to be as objective as possible.

When the Jews declared independence in 1948, the Palestinians that were living alongside them either fled or were kicked out (depending on who you believe; I think it's a little of both.) Most of them went to the West Bank, which is next to Jordan, or Gaza, which is next to Egypt. They established refugee camps, lived in miserable conditions, and formed guerrilla or terrorist groups to attack Israel. During the 6 Day War in 1967, Egypt and Jordan used Gaza and the West Bank to attack Israel; following Israel's victory, the Jews occupied the West Bank and Gaza. Israel began establishing settlements in both areas, which led to worldwide condemnation, especially as the conditions among the Jewish settlers and the Palestinians already there were substantial.

Beginning in the 1980s, the USA proposed a "two state solution"- essentially the Jews would withdraw their settlements and governing of the West Bank and Gaza, and the Palestinians would create their own state there alongside Israel. This idea was initially rejected by the Palestinians as a whole; they wanted the right to return to Israel. It was also rejected by conservative and religious Israelis who did not desire to give up the settlements. Eventually the Palestinians split into two groups: the moderates, led by the Palestinian Authority (formerly the PLO) who agreed to the idea in principle but wanted Jerusalem as part of their capital, and the extremists, led by Hamas and Hezbollah, who continued to desire the destruction of Israel. On the Israeli side the debate has continued for decades, with the conservatives refusing to make concessions, and the liberals willing to sacrifice land for peace.

Eventually Israel withdrew enough to allow self-governance in the two territories. In the West Bank, the Palestinians elected the Palestinian Authority. In Gaza, they have switched between the PA and Hamas. In the last decade Israel completely withdrew from Gaza, but continues to have settlements and occupies part of the West Bank. Hamas has committed many terrorists acts against Israelis. Israel believes that Hamas was behind the recent kidnapping of Israeli soldiers (though Hamss has denied this.) Hamas has fired many rockets into Israel, but Israel's defenses have prevented these rockets from killing anyone recently. Israel has retaliated by bombing Gaza, supposedly at specific Hamas targets, but leading to many civilian deaths. Israel is now invading Gaza, hoping to destroy Hamas' infrastructure, so as to strengthen the Palestinian Authority at the same time. Israel may be receiving support from Egypt and Saudi Arabia, neither of whom like Hamas. Hamas is supported by Syria and Iran. The USA continues to seek a cease fire.

I know that was more than a couple of sentences. I did the best I could.

 

[Joe Summer]

So....religion and history? That it?

Why is the US helping Israel? Cause we have many Jews here? Why can't we just stay out of it?

We support Israel because they share many of our economic and democratic beliefs, not because the Jews [allegedly] control Hollywood and the newspapers.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

The Palestinians throw rocks at the Israelis

 

[cstu]

I know that was more than a couple of sentences. I did the best I could.

Or, you know, they could convert to Judaism. :cantbeatemjoinem:

 

[Al O'Pecia]

Palenstine/Israel Fighting....summary?

The fighting has reached the Nth degree. Palestinians want to keep things the way they are, but you and the Jews keep forcing an N on them.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

There ain't enough room for both Joos and Palestinians in the same area.

If they all got themselves a good Chinese bride everything would be ok, though.

 

[Politician Spock]

There's some really cheap property for sale in Detroit. Have 1,000 extremely white families buy it and move in.

10 years later, tell me why there is so much black/white fighting in Detroit, and then I can give you an answer you can understand why there is so much Palestian/Israel fighting.

 

[cstu]

There's some really cheap property for sale in Detroit. Have 1,000 extremely white families buy it and move in.

10 years later, tell me why there is so much black/white fighting in Detroit, and then I can give you an answer you can understand why there is so much Palestian/Israel fighting.

It would be more like if 1000 black families left Detroit, got wealthy, came back to Detroit, put themselves in charge of the city and locked the other black people behind walls.

 

[Politician Spock]

There's some really cheap property for sale in Detroit. Have 1,000 extremely white families buy it and move in.

10 years later, tell me why there is so much black/white fighting in Detroit, and then I can give you an answer you can understand why there is so much Palestian/Israel fighting.

It would be more like if 1000 black families left Detroit, got wealthy, came back to Detroit, put themselves in charge of the city and locked the other black people behind walls.

True. But I was limiting my example to what is possible.

 

[Joe Summer]

There's some really cheap property for sale in Detroit. Have 1,000 extremely white families buy it and move in.

10 years later, tell me why there is so much black/white fighting in Detroit, and then I can give you an answer you can understand why there is so much Palestian/Israel fighting.

 

[shadrap]

There's really no way to answer in a few sentences. You need to read a history of the region, unfortunately.

Okay, well, what started it all recently?

They were fine for years.

Yeah, um, nK, very quick summary, and I'll try to be as objective as possible.

When the Jews declared independence in 1948, the Palestinians that were living alongside them either fled or were kicked out (depending on who you believe; I think it's a little of both.) Most of them went to the West Bank, which is next to Jordan, or Gaza, which is next to Egypt. They established refugee camps, lived in miserable conditions, and formed guerrilla or terrorist groups to attack Israel. During the 6 Day War in 1967, Egypt and Jordan used Gaza and the West Bank to attack Israel; following Israel's victory, the Jews occupied the West Bank and Gaza. Israel began establishing settlements in both areas, which led to worldwide condemnation, especially as the conditions among the Jewish settlers and the Palestinians already there were substantial.

Beginning in the 1980s, the USA proposed a "two state solution"- essentially the Jews would withdraw their settlements and governing of the West Bank and Gaza, and the Palestinians would create their own state there alongside Israel. This idea was initially rejected by the Palestinians as a whole; they wanted the right to return to Israel. It was also rejected by conservative and religious Israelis who did not desire to give up the settlements. Eventually the Palestinians split into two groups: the moderates, led by the Palestinian Authority (formerly the PLO) who agreed to the idea in principle but wanted Jerusalem as part of their capital, and the extremists, led by Hamas and Hezbollah, who continued to desire the destruction of Israel. On the Israeli side the debate has continued for decades, with the conservatives refusing to make concessions, and the liberals willing to sacrifice land for peace.

Eventually Israel withdrew enough to allow self-governance in the two territories. In the West Bank, the Palestinians elected the Palestinian Authority. In Gaza, they have switched between the PA and Hamas. In the last decade Israel completely withdrew from Gaza, but continues to have settlements and occupies part of the West Bank. Hamas has committed many terrorists acts against Israelis. Israel believes that Hamas was behind the recent kidnapping of Israeli soldiers (though Hamss has denied this.) Hamas has fired many rockets into Israel, but Israel's defenses have prevented these rockets from killing anyone recently. Israel has retaliated by bombing Gaza, supposedly at specific Hamas targets, but leading to many civilian deaths. Israel is now invading Gaza, hoping to destroy Hamas' infrastructure, so as to strengthen the Palestinian Authority at the same time. Israel may be receiving support from Egypt and Saudi Arabia, neither of whom like Hamas. Hamas is supported by Syria and Iran. The USA continues to seek a cease fire.

I know that was more than a couple of sentences. I did the best I could.

Excellent!

I do know that 96% of the killings over there are caused by Palestinians. They also put rocket launchers, et al in schools & churches. They keep trying to get worldwide support with terrorist actions against Jews over the last 40 years. It has mostly backfired.

This will never be resolved because the leading factions for the Palestinians pretty much want the total destruction of Israel, and not to live in peace. They only eat food to give them strength to kill. Its in their blood. They take their misery out on those not miserable.

 

[shadrap]

I'm no means well read on this dispute. Lots of what I posted is opinion sprinkled with fact.

 

[Joe Summer]

I do know that 96% of the killings over there are caused by Palestinians. They also put rocket launchers, et al in schools & churches. They keep trying to get worldwide support with terrorist actions against Jews over the last 40 years. It has mostly backfired.

This will never be resolved because the leading factions for the Palestinians pretty much want the total destruction of Israel, and not to live in peace. They only eat food to give them strength to kill. Its in their blood. They take their misery out on those not miserable.

I think it's a bit of an exaggeration to say that the Palestinian leaders want the destruction of Israel. Because I think they'd be willing to let Israel exist as long as they get to have a state of Palestine that includes at least part of Jerusalem.But Israel would never allow that to happen, hence the perpetual standoff.

 

[skol asylum]

There's really no way to answer in a few sentences. You need to read a history of the region, unfortunately.

Okay, well, what started it all recently?They were fine for years.

Yeah, um, nK, very quick summary, and I'll try to be as objective as possible.

When the Jews declared independence in 1948, the Palestinians that were living alongside them either fled or were kicked out (depending on who you believe; I think it's a little of both.) Most of them went to the West Bank, which is next to Jordan, or Gaza, which is next to Egypt. They established refugee camps, lived in miserable conditions, and formed guerrilla or terrorist groups to attack Israel. During the 6 Day War in 1967, Egypt and Jordan used Gaza and the West Bank to attack Israel; following Israel's victory, the Jews occupied the West Bank and Gaza. Israel began establishing settlements in both areas, which led to worldwide condemnation, especially as the conditions among the Jewish settlers and the Palestinians already there were substantial.

Beginning in the 1980s, the USA proposed a "two state solution"- essentially the Jews would withdraw their settlements and governing of the West Bank and Gaza, and the Palestinians would create their own state there alongside Israel. This idea was initially rejected by the Palestinians as a whole; they wanted the right to return to Israel. It was also rejected by conservative and religious Israelis who did not desire to give up the settlements. Eventually the Palestinians split into two groups: the moderates, led by the Palestinian Authority (formerly the PLO) who agreed to the idea in principle but wanted Jerusalem as part of their capital, and the extremists, led by Hamas and Hezbollah, who continued to desire the destruction of Israel. On the Israeli side the debate has continued for decades, with the conservatives refusing to make concessions, and the liberals willing to sacrifice land for peace.

Eventually Israel withdrew enough to allow self-governance in the two territories. In the West Bank, the Palestinians elected the Palestinian Authority. In Gaza, they have switched between the PA and Hamas. In the last decade Israel completely withdrew from Gaza, but continues to have settlements and occupies part of the West Bank. Hamas has committed many terrorists acts against Israelis. Israel believes that Hamas was behind the recent kidnapping of Israeli soldiers (though Hamss has denied this.) Hamas has fired many rockets into Israel, but Israel's defenses have prevented these rockets from killing anyone recently. Israel has retaliated by bombing Gaza, supposedly at specific Hamas targets, but leading to many civilian deaths. Israel is now invading Gaza, hoping to destroy Hamas' infrastructure, so as to strengthen the Palestinian Authority at the same time. Israel may be receiving support from Egypt and Saudi Arabia, neither of whom like Hamas. Hamas is supported by Syria and Iran. The USA continues to seek a cease fire.

I know that was more than a couple of sentences. I did the best I could.

Well done.

 

[Bronx Bomber]

There's really no way to answer in a few sentences. You need to read a history of the region, unfortunately.

Okay, well, what started it all recently?

They were fine for years.

Yeah, um, no.

OK, very quick summary, and I'll try to be as objective as possible.

When the Jews declared independence in 1948, the Palestinians that were living alongside them either fled or were kicked out (depending on who you believe; I think it's a little of both.) Most of them went to the West Bank, which is next to Jordan, or Gaza, which is next to Egypt. They established refugee camps, lived in miserable conditions, and formed guerrilla or terrorist groups to attack Israel. During the 6 Day War in 1967, Egypt and Jordan used Gaza and the West Bank to attack Israel; following Israel's victory, the Jews occupied the West Bank and Gaza. Israel began establishing settlements in both areas, which led to worldwide condemnation, especially as the conditions among the Jewish settlers and the Palestinians already there were substantial.

Beginning in the 1980s, the USA proposed a "two state solution"- essentially the Jews would withdraw their settlements and governing of the West Bank and Gaza, and the Palestinians would create their own state there alongside Israel. This idea was initially rejected by the Palestinians as a whole; they wanted the right to return to Israel. It was also rejected by conservative and religious Israelis who did not desire to give up the settlements. Eventually the Palestinians split into two groups: the moderates, led by the Palestinian Authority (formerly the PLO) who agreed to the idea in principle but wanted Jerusalem as part of their capital, and the extremists, led by Hamas and Hezbollah, who continued to desire the destruction of Israel. On the Israeli side the debate has continued for decades, with the conservatives refusing to make concessions, and the liberals willing to sacrifice land for peace.

Eventually Israel withdrew enough to allow self-governance in the two territories. In the West Bank, the Palestinians elected the Palestinian Authority. In Gaza, they have switched between the PA and Hamas. In the last decade Israel completely withdrew from Gaza, but continues to have settlements and occupies part of the West Bank. Hamas has committed many terrorists acts against Israelis. Israel believes that Hamas was behind the recent kidnapping of Israeli soldiers (though Hamss has denied this.) Hamas has fired many rockets into Israel, but Israel's defenses have prevented these rockets from killing anyone recently. Israel has retaliated by bombing Gaza, supposedly at specific Hamas targets, but leading to many civilian deaths. Israel is now invading Gaza, hoping to destroy Hamas' infrastructure, so as to strengthen the Palestinian Authority at the same time. Israel may be receiving support from Egypt and Saudi Arabia, neither of whom like Hamas. Hamas is supported by Syria and Iran. The USA continues to seek a cease fire.

I know that was more than a couple of sentences. I did the best I could.

Can we please get Tim on Comedy Central's 'Drunk History' going over this?

 

[Christo]

Palestinians refuse to convert to Judaism.

/thread

Mostly over that circumcision thing.

 

[jon_mx]

The Jews are winning.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I told you once

He may have been told twice.

 

[jon_mx]

Search for timschochet and israel and read everything. Report back in a couple years.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

There's really no way to answer in a few sentences. You need to read a history of the region, unfortunately.

Okay, well, what started it all recently?

They were fine for years.

Yeah, um, no.

OK, very quick summary, and I'll try to be as objective as possible.

When the Jews declared independence in 1948, the Palestinians that were living alongside them either fled or were kicked out (depending on who you believe; I think it's a little of both.) Most of them went to the West Bank, which is next to Jordan, or Gaza, which is next to Egypt. They established refugee camps, lived in miserable conditions, and formed guerrilla or terrorist groups to attack Israel. During the 6 Day War in 1967, Egypt and Jordan used Gaza and the West Bank to attack Israel; following Israel's victory, the Jews occupied the West Bank and Gaza. Israel began establishing settlements in both areas, which led to worldwide condemnation, especially as the conditions among the Jewish settlers and the Palestinians already there were substantial.

Beginning in the 1980s, the USA proposed a "two state solution"- essentially the Jews would withdraw their settlements and governing of the West Bank and Gaza, and the Palestinians would create their own state there alongside Israel. This idea was initially rejected by the Palestinians as a whole; they wanted the right to return to Israel. It was also rejected by conservative and religious Israelis who did not desire to give up the settlements. Eventually the Palestinians split into two groups: the moderates, led by the Palestinian Authority (formerly the PLO) who agreed to the idea in principle but wanted Jerusalem as part of their capital, and the extremists, led by Hamas and Hezbollah, who continued to desire the destruction of Israel. On the Israeli side the debate has continued for decades, with the conservatives refusing to make concessions, and the liberals willing to sacrifice land for peace.

Eventually Israel withdrew enough to allow self-governance in the two territories. In the West Bank, the Palestinians elected the Palestinian Authority. In Gaza, they have switched between the PA and Hamas. In the last decade Israel completely withdrew from Gaza, but continues to have settlements and occupies part of the West Bank. Hamas has committed many terrorists acts against Israelis. Israel believes that Hamas was behind the recent kidnapping of Israeli soldiers (though Hamss has denied this.) Hamas has fired many rockets into Israel, but Israel's defenses have prevented these rockets from killing anyone recently. Israel has retaliated by bombing Gaza, supposedly at specific Hamas targets, but leading to many civilian deaths. Israel is now invading Gaza, hoping to destroy Hamas' infrastructure, so as to strengthen the Palestinian Authority at the same time. Israel may be receiving support from Egypt and Saudi Arabia, neither of whom like Hamas. Hamas is supported by Syria and Iran. The USA continues to seek a cease fire.

I know that was more than a couple of sentences. I did the best I could.

Just a reminder that Tim can deliver quality.

 

[joffer]

Search for timschochet and israel and read everything. Report back in a couple years.

Or if you want something even longer, search for jon complaining about tim

 

[GregR]

And as far as the most very recent stuff... 3 Jewish teens were abducted and killed. A Palestinian was then killed in what authorities called a revenge killing. Not that there weren't incidents before, but that was the latest powder keg going off, I believe, and it's gone downhill resulting in the Israeli ground operation.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

In few sentences or less, please tell me why they are fighting?

This is a map.

http://www.crethiplethi.com/wp-content/uploads/sykespal.gif

This is a bigger map.

http://www.crethiplethi.com/wp-content/uploads/5564332mapSykesPicot.jpg

The Turks ruled Palestine for centuries, from around 1450-1914. Before that it was the Romans, about 100 BC - 1450 AD. Palestine was occupied territory.

This is the map under the Ottoman Turks:

http://en.academic.ru/pictures/enwiki/79/Ottoman_levant.png

So all that time the land had two rulers.

Then about 1916 the Brits and French promised the land to Jewish people and Arabs. About the same time they created about 4-5 other countries just for Arabs and other religions. Totally made them up and their borders.

The idea was they would live together.

Almost immediately the Arabs freaked out. Some rioted, some engaged in an early era 'white flight' and said 'I ain't livin' with those people' and some sold their property and made some dough.

When the time came for the country to be independent with both people living side by side around 1946, the local Arabs and the surrounding Arabs decided they would take out all the interlopers. Think Reconstruction South circa 1877.

The Jewish people fought so hard and so well that they beat the hell out of the Arabs not just once but 4 times (1947, 1956, 1967, 1973).

So the Arabs are pretty p1ssed.

The End.

 

[Short Corner]

There's really no way to answer in a few sentences. You need to read a history of the region, unfortunately.

Okay, well, what started it all recently?

They were fine for years.

Yeah, um, no.

OK, very quick summary, and I'll try to be as objective as possible.

When the Jews declared independence in 1948, the Palestinians that were living alongside them either fled or were kicked out (depending on who you believe; I think it's a little of both.) Most of them went to the West Bank, which is next to Jordan, or Gaza, which is next to Egypt. They established refugee camps, lived in miserable conditions, and formed guerrilla or terrorist groups to attack Israel. During the 6 Day War in 1967, Egypt and Jordan used Gaza and the West Bank to attack Israel; following Israel's victory, the Jews occupied the West Bank and Gaza. Israel began establishing settlements in both areas, which led to worldwide condemnation, especially as the conditions among the Jewish settlers and the Palestinians already there were substantial.

Beginning in the 1980s, the USA proposed a "two state solution"- essentially the Jews would withdraw their settlements and governing of the West Bank and Gaza, and the Palestinians would create their own state there alongside Israel. This idea was initially rejected by the Palestinians as a whole; they wanted the right to return to Israel. It was also rejected by conservative and religious Israelis who did not desire to give up the settlements. Eventually the Palestinians split into two groups: the moderates, led by the Palestinian Authority (formerly the PLO) who agreed to the idea in principle but wanted Jerusalem as part of their capital, and the extremists, led by Hamas and Hezbollah, who continued to desire the destruction of Israel. On the Israeli side the debate has continued for decades, with the conservatives refusing to make concessions, and the liberals willing to sacrifice land for peace.

Eventually Israel withdrew enough to allow self-governance in the two territories. In the West Bank, the Palestinians elected the Palestinian Authority. In Gaza, they have switched between the PA and Hamas. In the last decade Israel completely withdrew from Gaza, but continues to have settlements and occupies part of the West Bank. Hamas has committed many terrorists acts against Israelis. Israel believes that Hamas was behind the recent kidnapping of Israeli soldiers (though Hamss has denied this.) Hamas has fired many rockets into Israel, but Israel's defenses have prevented these rockets from killing anyone recently. Israel has retaliated by bombing Gaza, supposedly at specific Hamas targets, but leading to many civilian deaths. Israel is now invading Gaza, hoping to destroy Hamas' infrastructure, so as to strengthen the Palestinian Authority at the same time. Israel may be receiving support from Egypt and Saudi Arabia, neither of whom like Hamas. Hamas is supported by Syria and Iran. The USA continues to seek a cease fire.

I know that was more than a couple of sentences. I did the best I could.

You can't simultaneously have self governance and a military occupation.

 

[Todem]

There's really no way to answer in a few sentences. You need to read a history of the region, unfortunately.

Okay, well, what started it all recently?

They were fine for years.

Yeah, um, no.

OK, very quick summary, and I'll try to be as objective as possible.

When the Jews declared independence in 1948, the Palestinians that were living alongside them either fled or were kicked out (depending on who you believe; I think it's a little of both.) Most of them went to the West Bank, which is next to Jordan, or Gaza, which is next to Egypt. They established refugee camps, lived in miserable conditions, and formed guerrilla or terrorist groups to attack Israel. During the 6 Day War in 1967, Egypt and Jordan used Gaza and the West Bank to attack Israel; following Israel's victory, the Jews occupied the West Bank and Gaza. Israel began establishing settlements in both areas, which led to worldwide condemnation, especially as the conditions among the Jewish settlers and the Palestinians already there were substantial.

Beginning in the 1980s, the USA proposed a "two state solution"- essentially the Jews would withdraw their settlements and governing of the West Bank and Gaza, and the Palestinians would create their own state there alongside Israel. This idea was initially rejected by the Palestinians as a whole; they wanted the right to return to Israel. It was also rejected by conservative and religious Israelis who did not desire to give up the settlements. Eventually the Palestinians split into two groups: the moderates, led by the Palestinian Authority (formerly the PLO) who agreed to the idea in principle but wanted Jerusalem as part of their capital, and the extremists, led by Hamas and Hezbollah, who continued to desire the destruction of Israel. On the Israeli side the debate has continued for decades, with the conservatives refusing to make concessions, and the liberals willing to sacrifice land for peace.

Eventually Israel withdrew enough to allow self-governance in the two territories. In the West Bank, the Palestinians elected the Palestinian Authority. In Gaza, they have switched between the PA and Hamas. In the last decade Israel completely withdrew from Gaza, but continues to have settlements and occupies part of the West Bank. Hamas has committed many terrorists acts against Israelis. Israel believes that Hamas was behind the recent kidnapping of Israeli soldiers (though Hamss has denied this.) Hamas has fired many rockets into Israel, but Israel's defenses have prevented these rockets from killing anyone recently. Israel has retaliated by bombing Gaza, supposedly at specific Hamas targets, but leading to many civilian deaths. Israel is now invading Gaza, hoping to destroy Hamas' infrastructure, so as to strengthen the Palestinian Authority at the same time. Israel may be receiving support from Egypt and Saudi Arabia, neither of whom like Hamas. Hamas is supported by Syria and Iran. The USA continues to seek a cease fire.

I know that was more than a couple of sentences. I did the best I could.

You can't simultaneously have self governance and a military occupation.

Kinda like Iraq and Afghanistan.

If the Palestinian leaders (which are mostly terrorists) want the Jews pushed right into the sea...then go for it. If the British wanted North America back...then go for it.

That's war in a nutshell. You fight for what you believe in (whether that is your home, oil, world domination etc etc etc). It sucks, many innocent woman and children die. But this has been going on since the beginning of time. I hate war as much as the next human being, but you can't negotiate with terrorists and unfortunately for the innocent and decent Palestinians of the middle east they have a bad deal with their leadership...or lack there of. It's quite easy to see why Israel is on this ground offensive. They are protecting themselves.

Also most Palestinians are bred to hate Israel. It is a vicious cycle (much like Israelis are bred to hate Palestinians). I don't think it will ever be worked out. At least in our lifetime.

 

[Short Corner]

There's really no way to answer in a few sentences. You need to read a history of the region, unfortunately.

Okay, well, what started it all recently?

They were fine for years.

Yeah, um, no.

OK, very quick summary, and I'll try to be as objective as possible.

When the Jews declared independence in 1948, the Palestinians that were living alongside them either fled or were kicked out (depending on who you believe; I think it's a little of both.) Most of them went to the West Bank, which is next to Jordan, or Gaza, which is next to Egypt. They established refugee camps, lived in miserable conditions, and formed guerrilla or terrorist groups to attack Israel. During the 6 Day War in 1967, Egypt and Jordan used Gaza and the West Bank to attack Israel; following Israel's victory, the Jews occupied the West Bank and Gaza. Israel began establishing settlements in both areas, which led to worldwide condemnation, especially as the conditions among the Jewish settlers and the Palestinians already there were substantial.

Beginning in the 1980s, the USA proposed a "two state solution"- essentially the Jews would withdraw their settlements and governing of the West Bank and Gaza, and the Palestinians would create their own state there alongside Israel. This idea was initially rejected by the Palestinians as a whole; they wanted the right to return to Israel. It was also rejected by conservative and religious Israelis who did not desire to give up the settlements. Eventually the Palestinians split into two groups: the moderates, led by the Palestinian Authority (formerly the PLO) who agreed to the idea in principle but wanted Jerusalem as part of their capital, and the extremists, led by Hamas and Hezbollah, who continued to desire the destruction of Israel. On the Israeli side the debate has continued for decades, with the conservatives refusing to make concessions, and the liberals willing to sacrifice land for peace.

Eventually Israel withdrew enough to allow self-governance in the two territories. In the West Bank, the Palestinians elected the Palestinian Authority. In Gaza, they have switched between the PA and Hamas. In the last decade Israel completely withdrew from Gaza, but continues to have settlements and occupies part of the West Bank. Hamas has committed many terrorists acts against Israelis. Israel believes that Hamas was behind the recent kidnapping of Israeli soldiers (though Hamss has denied this.) Hamas has fired many rockets into Israel, but Israel's defenses have prevented these rockets from killing anyone recently. Israel has retaliated by bombing Gaza, supposedly at specific Hamas targets, but leading to many civilian deaths. Israel is now invading Gaza, hoping to destroy Hamas' infrastructure, so as to strengthen the Palestinian Authority at the same time. Israel may be receiving support from Egypt and Saudi Arabia, neither of whom like Hamas. Hamas is supported by Syria and Iran. The USA continues to seek a cease fire.

I know that was more than a couple of sentences. I did the best I could.

You can't simultaneously have self governance and a military occupation.

Kinda like Iraq and Afghanistan.

Kinda?

 

[Todem]

There's really no way to answer in a few sentences. You need to read a history of the region, unfortunately.

Okay, well, what started it all recently?

They were fine for years.

Yeah, um, no.

OK, very quick summary, and I'll try to be as objective as possible.

When the Jews declared independence in 1948, the Palestinians that were living alongside them either fled or were kicked out (depending on who you believe; I think it's a little of both.) Most of them went to the West Bank, which is next to Jordan, or Gaza, which is next to Egypt. They established refugee camps, lived in miserable conditions, and formed guerrilla or terrorist groups to attack Israel. During the 6 Day War in 1967, Egypt and Jordan used Gaza and the West Bank to attack Israel; following Israel's victory, the Jews occupied the West Bank and Gaza. Israel began establishing settlements in both areas, which led to worldwide condemnation, especially as the conditions among the Jewish settlers and the Palestinians already there were substantial.

Beginning in the 1980s, the USA proposed a "two state solution"- essentially the Jews would withdraw their settlements and governing of the West Bank and Gaza, and the Palestinians would create their own state there alongside Israel. This idea was initially rejected by the Palestinians as a whole; they wanted the right to return to Israel. It was also rejected by conservative and religious Israelis who did not desire to give up the settlements. Eventually the Palestinians split into two groups: the moderates, led by the Palestinian Authority (formerly the PLO) who agreed to the idea in principle but wanted Jerusalem as part of their capital, and the extremists, led by Hamas and Hezbollah, who continued to desire the destruction of Israel. On the Israeli side the debate has continued for decades, with the conservatives refusing to make concessions, and the liberals willing to sacrifice land for peace.

Eventually Israel withdrew enough to allow self-governance in the two territories. In the West Bank, the Palestinians elected the Palestinian Authority. In Gaza, they have switched between the PA and Hamas. In the last decade Israel completely withdrew from Gaza, but continues to have settlements and occupies part of the West Bank. Hamas has committed many terrorists acts against Israelis. Israel believes that Hamas was behind the recent kidnapping of Israeli soldiers (though Hamss has denied this.) Hamas has fired many rockets into Israel, but Israel's defenses have prevented these rockets from killing anyone recently. Israel has retaliated by bombing Gaza, supposedly at specific Hamas targets, but leading to many civilian deaths. Israel is now invading Gaza, hoping to destroy Hamas' infrastructure, so as to strengthen the Palestinian Authority at the same time. Israel may be receiving support from Egypt and Saudi Arabia, neither of whom like Hamas. Hamas is supported by Syria and Iran. The USA continues to seek a cease fire.

I know that was more than a couple of sentences. I did the best I could.

You can't simultaneously have self governance and a military occupation.

Kinda like Iraq and Afghanistan.

Kinda?

I am being sarcastic.