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Parcells' History of Early Draft Picks (1 Viewer)

Ridgelake

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Just for kicks, I went back and looked at Parcells’ drafts since he has been a head coach. Here are the players that he has taken in the first and second rounds….Year, Round, Pick#, Name, Position1983 1/10 Terry Kinard, S1983 2/37 Leonard Marshall, DT1984 1/3 Carl Banks, OLB1984 1/27 William Roberts, G1985 1/19 George Adams, RB1985 2/46 Stacey Robinson, WR1986 1/19 Eric Dorsey, DE1986 2/44 Mark Collins, CB1986 2/46 Erik Howard, NT1986 2/51 Pepper Johnson, ILB1986 2/53 Greg Lasker, DB1987 1/28 Mark Ingram, WR1987 2/55 Adrian White, S1988 1/10 Eric Moore, G1988 2/36 Jumbo Elliot, T1989 1/18 Brian Williams, C1990 1/24 Rodney Hampton, RB1990 2/51 Mike Fox, DE1993 1/1 Drew Bledsoe, QB1993 2/31 Chris Slade, DE1993 2/51 Todd Rucci, G1993 2/56 Vincent Brisby, WR1994 1/4 Willie McGinest, OLB1994 2/35 Kevin Lee, WR1995 1/23 Ty Law, CB1995 2/57 Ted Johnson, ILB1996 1/7 Terry Glenn, WR1996 2/36 Lawyer Milloy, SS1997 1/8 James Farrior, ILB1997 2/31 Rick Terry, DT1998 2/56 Dorian Boose, DE1999 2/57 Randy Thomas, G2000 1/12 Shaun Ellis, DE2000 1/13 John Abraham, DE2000 1/18 Chad Pennington, QB2000 1/27 Anthony Becht, TE2003 1/5 Terrence Newman, CB2003 2/38 Al Johnson, C2004 2/43 Julius Jones, RB2004 2/52 Jacob Rogers, OT2005 1/11 Demarcus Ware, OLB2005 1/20 Marcus Spears, DE2005 2/42 Kevin Burnett, LBSo going through these 19 drafts, we have the following statistics:First Rounders:QBs: 2WRs: 2RBs: 2OTs: 0G: 2C: 1TEs: 1DL: 4LB: 4CB: 2S: 1Total of 21 first rounders. 9 offense, 12 defense.Second rounders:QBs: 0WRs: 3RBs: 1OTs: 2G: 2C: 1TEs:0DL: 6LB: 3CB: 1S: 322 total second rounders, 9 on offense, 13 on defense.In 19 drafts, Parcells has never drafted a first round OT. With 43 total picks in the first 2 rounds, he has selected 10 defensive linemen and 7 linebackers. WRs had 5 selctions while guard and safety had 4 selections. Something to keep in mind when making up mock drafts......

 
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Z-Dog

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Not only has he never drafted an OT in the first round, he traded down from the #1 overall when Orlando Pace was available (and ended up with Dorian Boose :wall: )

 

MarshallRob

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I don't think Parcells had anything to do with the Giants' draft picks when he was coaching the team. George Young was the Giants' GM. As for the New England picks, Parcells was both GM and head coach, but when Bob Kraft bought the team he removed some of Parcells' authority. Kraft famously overruled Parcells when Parcells wanted to draft Tony Brackens in 1996. Kraft and his director of player personnel wanted Terry Glenn and they took him to Parcell's disgust. Parcells left at the end of the year.

 

cstu

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Not only has he never drafted an OT in the first round, he traded down from the #1 overall when Orlando Pace was available (and ended up with Dorian Boose :wall: )
Well, like Parcells says there aren't any OT worth taking in the first round... ;)

A better question to ask is did his teams need an OT? Anyone know who the LT's were for his teams?

 
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Gadzooks

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Not only has he never drafted an OT in the first round, he traded down from the #1 overall when Orlando Pace was available (and ended up with Dorian Boose :wall: )
This is inaccurate. Parcells traded down from #1 overall in the 1997 draft. He took Farrier in the 1st round and also got other lower round picks in the trade. Boose was drafted in the 1998 draft, when Parcells didn't have a 1st round pick because he signed Curtis Martin who was a restricted FA at the time.
 

Reaper

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Not only has he never drafted an OT in the first round, he traded down from the #1 overall when Orlando Pace was available (and ended up with Dorian Boose  :wall: )
Well, like Parcells says there aren't any OT worth taking in the first round... ;)

A better question to ask is did his teams need an OT? Anyone know who the LT's were for his teams?
Boose was 1998.... Jets took James Farrior at 8I think it's safe to assume without looking that the Jets needed Orlando Pace..

Problem was MONEY.... Parcells had lots of holes to fill and needed to save money so, trading down at the time seemed like his only option....

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Published: April 17, 1997

An increasingly frustrated BILL PARCELLS has turned up the heat on teams interested in making offers for the Jets' overall No. 1 pick. Several people within the National Football League said that Parcells told those clubs they had to make an offer by today. If Parcells cannot make a deal, he is expected to take Southern California's defensive tackle DARRELL RUSSELL on Saturday.

Detroit and the Rams, drafting fifth and sixth, respectively, have proposed deals. Rams Coach **** VERMEIL has reportedly offered the first-round pick and third-round and fifth-round selections. The Rams are believed to want the Ohio State offensive tackle ORLANDO PACE. According to one report, Parcells would take the Florida State offensive tackle WALTER JONES if he were available with the sixth pick. If Jones has been picked by then, Parcells might seek to move down even farther and amass even more choices.

 

Reaper

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Also - This may not be the place but, there was a debate a while ago about Parcells regarding Peyton leaving school and non jet fans remembered it a little differently as if Manning was ALWAYS staying in school...

The way we heard it was that Parcells would not commit to taking Manning which made him stay in school and in retorspect as Jet fans is just another funny joke in the teams existence - REALLY, Manning should have been there as a Jet or at least as a bargaining chip...

Anyway - I found this_1997 Draft

Here's the best choice: call off this dull draft. (1997 college draft)(NFL Report)(Column)

The Sporting News; 4/7/1997; Simers, T.J.

The draft this year seems bereft on impact players, at least those who would actually touch the ball. Linemen and cornerbacks will likely be the first several picks. New York Jets' coach Bill Parcells, with the draft's first pick, blew it by not convincing quarterback Peyton Manning to leave school.

The three most important things in the lives of most normal people are their spouse, their children and the NFL draft--not, of course, in that order.

This year, however, the news is very distressing. the NFL draft might have to be cancelled because it is scheduled to begin with the first pick on April 19, and presently there is no first pick.

There is no quarterback, no running back and no wide receiver worthy of that selection, and so it would seem no good reason to conduct a draft.

The best player in this draft is now going to be the first player taken in next year's draft because Bill Parcells tried to be a tough guy with Archie Manning. Instead of ripping the jersey off Neil O'Donnell's back and making him the chauffeur to fetch quarterback Peyton Manning, Parcells wanted to keep his options open.

So Manning will remain at Tennessee and Parcells is left with a pick with no value and the rest of us are left with a draft featuring a bunch of "No Names Who Will Never Touch The Ball."

Parcells has been unavailable for comment, and now you know why. In his first official act as the Jets' coach, he blew it. Locked away in a bunker--as if the whole world really cares what lug he's going to pick--he is probably reading Mel Kiper's 1997 Draft Update and listening to Keyshawn Johnson's advice while anxiously hoping his phone rings with a trade offer.

The NFL probably would frown on it, but shouldn't Parcells be seeking help from New England owner Robert Kraft, his football mentor, who kept him from passing on wide receiver Terry Glenn last year?

If Parcells is expecting another team to bail him out of the boring draft he has created, history says it probably won't happen.

In the past 25 years, there have been only eight trades involving the first pick in the draft--and all eight were made to get playmakers: running backs Earl Campbell and Ki-Jana Carter, defensive linemen Ed Jones and Russell Maryland, quarterbacks Steve Bartkowski and Jeff George, wide receiver Irving Fryar and linebacker Tom Cousineau.

The best player in this year's draft is Ohio State's Orlando Pace, but he's an offensive lineman. Baltimore took Jonathan Ogden with the fourth pick in the first round of last year's draft. He was everything the team had hoped for in an offensive lineman, inspiring the Ravens to win four games.

It has been 29 years since a team exercised the first pick in the draft on an offensive lineman (Ron Yary of the Vikings), and one look at the Jets' defense-poor rooster suggests that streak will continue for another year.

So how does this draft begin?

What if Parcells could get everyone excited about an impact defensive player, thereby driving up the value of that first choice and generating talk of a trade? You know, someone like USC defensive tackle Darrell Russell. In the past six years, three of the top picks in the draft have been defensive tackles (Maryland, Steve Emtman and Dan Wilkinson).

It was an idea with potential had Russell cooperated, but so far Russell has reacted like a young man being asked to drive a truck the rest of his life. Russell, a 6-5, 312-pound run stuffer, has dodged workout requests while citing a sore hamstring.

Last week, teams were invited to USC to view him at work. And after he ran a 40-yard dash in 4.8-plus time, he disappeared into the training room, according to observers, and never returned.

Go sell that.

One scout reportedly was overhead to say, "I took a red-eye to watch this?"

So who wants to give up their first-round pick, probably a second and maybe an additional choice for a guy who doesn't seem all that eager to earn a $6 million signing bonus?

Any other ideas before calling this draft off? Florida State defensive end Peter Boulware? Ohio State cornerback Shawn Springs? Texas cornerback Bryant Westbrook?

You select Boulware and you have to pay him first-pick money when you know he's not really the first pick in the draft--the very worst kind of buyer's remorse. A cornerback? Pittsburgh was the last team to use the first choice to select a defensive back (Gary Glick), and that was in 1956.

Parcells has no choice: He passes on Pace, Boulware, Springs and Westbrook, takes Russell and wakes up screaming every night, "I'm sorry, Peyton, whatever you want."

 

There it is

Footballguy
Could someone refresh my memory why Bill Parcells left New England for the Jets?
To buy groceries.He also wanted Rick Mirer ahead of Bledsoe, but ended up with Bledsoe.

 
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Z-Dog

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Not only has he never drafted an OT in the first round, he traded down from the #1 overall when Orlando Pace was available (and ended up with Dorian Boose :wall: )
Well, like Parcells says there aren't any OT worth taking in the first round... ;)

A better question to ask is did his teams need an OT? Anyone know who the LT's were for his teams?
In New York, he didn't have final say over draft picks, but got Jumbo Elliot in the 2nd round in 1988. I don't remember who played LT for the '86-'87 Giants. Elliot actually came over to the Jets in 1996, which may be why Parcells wasn't inclined to select Orlando Pace with the #1 overall. Not sure who was playing LT in NE.
Could someone refresh my memory why Bill Parcells left New England for the Jets?
Parcells left New England, where he was the HC, to become the GM & HC of the Jets. This was during the time when it was becoming fashionable to have one guy as GM and HC, and Parcells felt that he deserved the power. In his years as Jets GM, he selected a few top players - he blew it on Boose, but got Farrior, Randy Thomas, Shaun Ellis, John Abraham, Chad Pennington, Jason Ferguson, Jason Fabini, and Laverneus Coles in his drafts. Still, looking back, he was not a great picker of talent, and only seven of his thirteen round 1-3 picks developed into starters. Of those seven, five were first round picks. By contrast, the Bradway-Edwards team has been much more succesful at drafting both early and late. Aside from Bryan Thomas, the first-rounders have been good (Moss, Robertson, Vilma). Later round picks who became starters or key contributors include Lamont Jordan, Kareem Mckenzie, James Reed, Chris Baker, Jonathan Goodwin, Victor Hobson, Brooks Bollinger, Derrick Strait, Jerrico Cotcherry, Adrian Jones, and Erik Coleman.Looking back, and it's still too early for this, but looking back, the 2004 draft was a great NYJ draft. Vilma is a Pro-Bowler at MLB with incredible potential. Adrian Jones is a starting LT, and Erik Coleman is a starting FS. In addition to those three starters, the Jets found Derrick Strait, the nickle corner who replaced Ray Mickens, and who may yet be a starter at CB2, Jerrico Cotcherry, who has taken Wayne Chrebet's slot WR role, and Darrell McClover, a special teams demon. That's a pretty good draft, without even knowing if Marko Cavka can play on the O-line. If only Bradway was good at holding on to players like Farrior, Coles, Moss, Jordan, and McKenzie...

 

MarshallRob

Footballguy
Could someone refresh my memory why Bill Parcells left New England for the Jets?
Here's a very interesting and thorough 4-part series from PatsFans.com on Parcell's history and legacy with the Patriots. How Exactly Will History Judge Parcells?

Part Two

Part Three

Part Four

Basically, New England hired Parcells to be both coach and GM. When Kraft bought the team in 1996 he stripped Parcells of some of his personnel power. That created a huge rift between Kraft and Parcells and Parcells, believing that “If you want to cook the meal, you need to be able to shop for the groceries!”, stepped down after the 1996 season. The story of Parcells leaving broke during the Super Bowl week and the distractions to both the team and Parcells may well have cost New England the game.

 
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Gadzooks

Footballguy
Could someone refresh my memory why Bill Parcells left New England for the Jets?
Here's a very interesting and thorough 4-part series from PatsFans.com on Parcell's history and legacy with the Patriots. How Exactly Will History Judge Parcells?

Part Two

Part Three

Part Four

Basically, New England hired Parcells to be both coach and GM. When Kraft bought the team in 1996 he stripped Parcells of some of his personnel power. That created a huge rift between Kraft and Parcells and Parcells, believing that “If you want to cook the meal, you need to be able to shop for the groceries!”, stepped down after the 1996 season. The story of Parcells leaving broke during the Super Bowl week and the distractions to both the team and Parcells may well have cost New England the game.
WOW. I can't believe I just wasted the time to read the stories from those links. I should've known since they came from "Patsfans.com" A fan site has no objectivity. But this "writer" tries to draw the conclusion that Parcells lost the Pats/Packers Super Bowl on purpose so that Kraft couldn't enjoy a Super Bowl victory. He states Parcells passed on the personal glory of winning Super Bowls with 2 different teams because of his intense hatred of Kraft. This is fascinating because the "writer" also states that Parcells' biggest fault is his huge ego, and his huge ego caused him to leave NE and leave the Jets. But I guess he put his huge ego away on SuperBowl Sunday so he could stick it to Kraft. The "writer" also implies that Parcells underused Curtis Martin in that Super Bowl and during that season so that he would be fresh and less costly for him to sign with the Jets 2 years later. There are many other laughable tales of revisionist history the "writer" tells, but I don't have the time to go threw them, but they are entertaining.Sorry for the hijack, but those links were just too funny.

 

MarshallRob

Footballguy
Could someone refresh my memory why Bill Parcells left New England for the Jets?
Here's a very interesting and thorough 4-part series from PatsFans.com on Parcell's history and legacy with the Patriots. How Exactly Will History Judge Parcells?

Part Two

Part Three

Part Four

Basically, New England hired Parcells to be both coach and GM. When Kraft bought the team in 1996 he stripped Parcells of some of his personnel power. That created a huge rift between Kraft and Parcells and Parcells, believing that “If you want to cook the meal, you need to be able to shop for the groceries!”, stepped down after the 1996 season. The story of Parcells leaving broke during the Super Bowl week and the distractions to both the team and Parcells may well have cost New England the game.
WOW. I can't believe I just wasted the time to read the stories from those links. I should've known since they came from "Patsfans.com" A fan site has no objectivity. But this "writer" tries to draw the conclusion that Parcells lost the Pats/Packers Super Bowl on purpose so that Kraft couldn't enjoy a Super Bowl victory. He states Parcells passed on the personal glory of winning Super Bowls with 2 different teams because of his intense hatred of Kraft. This is fascinating because the "writer" also states that Parcells' biggest fault is his huge ego, and his huge ego caused him to leave NE and leave the Jets. But I guess he put his huge ego away on SuperBowl Sunday so he could stick it to Kraft. The "writer" also implies that Parcells underused Curtis Martin in that Super Bowl and during that season so that he would be fresh and less costly for him to sign with the Jets 2 years later. There are many other laughable tales of revisionist history the "writer" tells, but I don't have the time to go threw them, but they are entertaining.Sorry for the hijack, but those links were just too funny.
I'm not sure I buy that "tanking" theory either. But the writer specifically referred to it several times as a theory and I did not get the impression he was the one who came up with it. I gather it must have been a hot topic of discussion in New England for a while after Parcells left. The analysis in the article of Parcells' coaching in that Super Bowl was interesting on its own.Of course none of that is relevant to Parcells' history of draft picks.

 

There it is

Footballguy
Could someone refresh my memory why Bill Parcells left New England for the Jets?
Here's a very interesting and thorough 4-part series from PatsFans.com on Parcell's history and legacy with the Patriots. How Exactly Will History Judge Parcells?

Part Two

Part Three

Part Four

Basically, New England hired Parcells to be both coach and GM. When Kraft bought the team in 1996 he stripped Parcells of some of his personnel power. That created a huge rift between Kraft and Parcells and Parcells, believing that “If you want to cook the meal, you need to be able to shop for the groceries!”, stepped down after the 1996 season. The story of Parcells leaving broke during the Super Bowl week and the distractions to both the team and Parcells may well have cost New England the game.
Could someone refresh my memory why Bill Parcells left New England for the Jets?
To buy groceries.He also wanted Rick Mirer ahead of Bledsoe, but ended up with Bledsoe.
:confused:
I was being succinct. I thought everyone knew this quote.Basically, New England hired Parcells to be both coach and GM. When Kraft bought the team in 1996 he stripped Parcells of some of his personnel power. That created a huge rift between Kraft and Parcells and Parcells, believing that “If you want to cook the meal, you need to be able to shop for the groceries!”

 

Ridgelake

Footballguy
Updating through 2008....

Just for kicks, I went back and looked at Parcells’ drafts since he has been a head coach/Chief Executive. Here are the players that he has taken in the first and second rounds….

Year, Round, Pick#, Name, Position

1983 1/10 Terry Kinard, S

1983 2/37 Leonard Marshall, DT

1984 1/3 Carl Banks, OLB

1984 1/27 William Roberts, G

1985 1/19 George Adams, RB

1985 2/46 Stacey Robinson, WR

1986 1/19 Eric Dorsey, DE

1986 2/44 Mark Collins, CB

1986 2/46 Erik Howard, NT

1986 2/51 Pepper Johnson, ILB

1986 2/53 Greg Lasker, DB

1987 1/28 Mark Ingram, WR

1987 2/55 Adrian White, S

1988 1/10 Eric Moore, G

1988 2/36 Jumbo Elliot, T

1989 1/18 Brian Williams, C

1990 1/24 Rodney Hampton, RB

1990 2/51 Mike Fox, DE

1993 1/1 Drew Bledsoe, QB

1993 2/31 Chris Slade, DE

1993 2/51 Todd Rucci, G

1993 2/56 Vincent Brisby, WR

1994 1/4 Willie McGinest, OLB

1994 2/35 Kevin Lee, WR

1995 1/23 Ty Law, CB

1995 2/57 Ted Johnson, ILB

1996 1/7 Terry Glenn, WR

1996 2/36 Lawyer Milloy, SS

1997 1/8 James Farrior, ILB

1997 2/31 Rick Terry, DT

1998 2/56 Dorian Boose, DE

1999 2/57 Randy Thomas, G

2000 1/12 Shaun Ellis, DE

2000 1/13 John Abraham, DE

2000 1/18 Chad Pennington, QB

2000 1/27 Anthony Becht, TE

2003 1/5 Terrence Newman, CB

2003 2/38 Al Johnson, C

2004 2/43 Julius Jones, RB

2004 2/52 Jacob Rogers, OT

2005 1/11 Demarcus Ware, OLB

2005 1/20 Marcus Spears, DE

2005 2/42 Kevin Burnett, LB

2006 1/18 Bobby Carpenter, OLB

2006 2/53 Anthony Fasano, TE

2008 1/1 Jake Long, OT

2008 2/32 Philip Merling, DE

2008 2/57 Chad Henne, QB

So going through these 21 drafts, we have the following statistics:

First Rounders:

QBs: 2

WRs: 2

RBs: 2

OTs: 1

G: 2

C: 1

TEs: 1

DL: 4

LB: 5

CB: 2

S: 1

Total of 23 first rounders. 10 offense, 13 defense.

Second rounders:

QBs: 1

WRs: 3

RBs: 1

OTs: 2

G: 2

C: 1

TEs:1

DL: 7

LB: 3

CB: 1

S: 3

25 total second rounders, 11 on offense, 14 on defense.

With 48 total picks in the first 2 rounds, he has selected 11 defensive linemen and 8 linebackers. WRs had 5 selctions while guard and safety had 4 selections.

Something to keep in mind when making up mock drafts......

 

Kiddnets

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Can someone refresh my memory as to why the Jets had 4 first round picks in 2000?
Keyshawn trade to the bucs gave them 2 1st rders. They had their own and then recd another one for Bellichick. How they didnt at least appear in a Super Bowl with all those draft picks is mind boggling - plus out of the picks only one (Becht) was a bust!
 

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