Patriots being investigated after Colts game (5 Viewers)

[pantherclub]

Bill Clinton lied under oath.

Hillary Clinton destroyed millions of emails and their servers

remember come election time the kind of demands you're placing on people I guess

BTW QB Luck was just as guilty as Brady, they just for some reason never looked at Luck

wait, what?

 

[moleculo]

ProFootballTalk ‏@ProFootballTalk 20m20 minutes ago

Habit or not, if Brady destroyed the phone with awareness of the pending request to review its contents, that's a problem.

Can someone find out something about the "habit" bit? Not seeing anything...

if I were a celebrity and had his kind of money, I would absolutely destroy my old phone when I was done with it.

This is a no-brainer. If you have the money he does and the wife he does, believe me...NOBODY is going to get within ten feet of your phone cause you know what kinda stuff is on that thing. TMZ would have ALL kinds of pics by tomorrow.Think about it, none of us are Tom Brady, probably don't have his wealth or a wife and lifestyle like he does and still, how many of us would want to let a stranger look through our phone all they want?

Elaborate. Are you saying that you know that there is very incriminating evidence (or was) on that phone? I guess that's what I have an issue with. If there is nothing to hide, why not show that? I don't have anything to hide, I wouldn't have an issue with a professional (not a "stranger") looking through my phone and giving it back to me. They're going to see pictures of my pets and kid, and that I called my wife. Maybe I'm boring....

No, I know nothing that is on his phone but I know that any shred of information belonging to high-profile people that can be manipulated in any way to drum up a news buzz and spun negatively often is. And I know that a high profile person combined with out of context and circumstantial information combined with the NFL that seemingly can't protect an ounce of information that is supposed to be confidential is a bad recipe. Think about your phone. Maybe some of us are boring and nothing EVER happens. But for many people, there are texts that you'd prefer others not know about. There might be pics. There may be unsolicited information (but you still got it). I'm not saying he cheats on his wife. I'm not saying he did or didn't do the deflate. But I CAN have an open enough mind to understand that in a person's phone, aside from many private items (financial, photographic, messages), there might be something as simple as a few conversations he had with other players about his real thoughts on Aaron Hernandez and what he knew...or a game plan..or a business venture...or any of a number of things that might make a man say "I can't let the entire world see this". It doesn't have to be something sinister..It could be anything. Maybe his wife cheated on HIM and they are reconciling and want to keep it on the down low and he doesn't want info with his marriage counselor out there.

You just never know but I find it completely reasonable that the vast majority of people in life that don't have a fraction of Tom Brady's lifestyle, might be reluctant to turn over their private information, on the principle of privacy and on the principle of not trusting it won't get leaked.

I'm being serious: dobyou not understand that Wells did nor ask for physical possession of the phone? He asked for copies of relevant texts. So any pics, game plans discussion about Hernandez, info about his wife's cheating, etc wouldn't have gone public unless he decided to put it our there.

Understood completely. I'm asking you to understand that people have trust issues and the NFL has a record of letting things get out. Bad things. Drug test things. Things that are not supposed to get out.. But the fact is they do and once they are, you can't take them back. And we don't know the nature of the Gooodell office/Tom Brady relationship. Brady might jus tbe a buyer of conspiracy theory enough to think "I'll give this to them and they won't find crap. But then next week, somehow, lo and behold, all those pics of Gisele on the beach or all those texts of me ragging on Peyton will surface on TMZ...mysteriously."

This is about trust and its obvious the NFL deserves little in how they have handled and reacted to sensitive information.

I understand that. Ted Wells understood that. That's why he didn't ask for the phone itself, he asked for Brady's lawyer to review it and to turn over any pertinent info. The phone, and any info therein unrealted to deflategate, would have remained under confidentiality of Brady's lawyer.

 

[sho nuff]

Shutout - Thank you for being far more articulate than I have been in this thread. Good stuff.

You mean better at making poor excuses up rather than admitting what everyone already knows?

 

[GroveDiesel]

ProFootballTalk ‏@ProFootballTalk 11m11 minutes ago

NFL goes forum shopping with pre-emptive Brady lawsuit http://wp.me/p14QSB-9Oq3

Still, there’s something that feels a bit unseemly about the NFL’s effort, creating a clear sense of coordination between Goodell the supposedly independent arbitrator and Goodell the chief executive at 345 Park Avenue. The ruling, which is required to be made “as soon as practicable” by Goodell the arbitrator undoubtedly was delayed long enough for Goodell the executive to ensure that his lawyers would be able to file immediately a lawsuit calling “shotgun” on the resolution of the legal rights.

Your league in action. Enjoy.(But, jesus Tom. Why? Why destroy the phone?)

Well, pro-union lawyer Mike Florio has to find SOME way to spin this for the NFLPA.

Why WOULD the NFL wait to file the lawsuit? They're tired of this thing dragging on and of course they want control over which judge gets the case. That doesn't make their decision wrong in the least.

 

[Anarchy99]

Brady never had to give up his phone. His lawyer was suppose to hand over the relevant texts. Instead he destroyed the phone.

I give the chance that Brady gets an injunction at less than 10%. He is sitting out 4 games. And this never gets to court after that.

Brady lied and obstructed multiple times in this. He is sitting out the 4 games. And then what would court satisfy at that point? To win over public opinion? That is a lost cause.

Not sure I agree with this. Brady's argument was that the investigation and process was flawed, that Goodell was not impartial, that the league broke labor laws, and the penalty was not consistent with prior provident. None of that changes cell phone or no cell phone.The league came out with the destroyed cell phone information to gain traction in the court of public opinion. I don't think that will play a big roll in receiving or not receiving an injunction.

brady fought everything. He even had the AEI economist (that wrote the paper that got everyone all spun up about) in to testify. It wasn't just process that was reviewed.

His LEGAL argument for court, not his appeal to the league. The things I listed is what the court will consider for an injunction.

 

[pantherclub]

I'm being serious: dobyou not understand that Wells did nor ask for physical possession of the phone? He asked for copies of relevant texts. So any pics, game plans discussion about Hernandez, info about his wife's cheating, etc wouldn't have gone public unless he decided to put it our there.

at having faith in the NFL to be airtight with information like that.

What day of the month does your boy scout troop meet up, little jimmy?

That's a lot of it in a nutshell. It's not trust on this one thing. It's trust on EVERYTHING. Think of how much info is in your phone and how damaging that is to let it all out.

Okay I will play this angle for a second. So why completely destroy the phone then? Also knowing if you destroy the phone its going to completely and utterly level your defense.

 

[GroveDiesel]

ProFootballTalk ‏@ProFootballTalk 20m20 minutes ago

Habit or not, if Brady destroyed the phone with awareness of the pending request to review its contents, that's a problem.

Can someone find out something about the "habit" bit? Not seeing anything...

if I were a celebrity and had his kind of money, I would absolutely destroy my old phone when I was done with it.

This is a no-brainer. If you have the money he does and the wife he does, believe me...NOBODY is going to get within ten feet of your phone cause you know what kinda stuff is on that thing. TMZ would have ALL kinds of pics by tomorrow.Think about it, none of us are Tom Brady, probably don't have his wealth or a wife and lifestyle like he does and still, how many of us would want to let a stranger look through our phone all they want?

Elaborate. Are you saying that you know that there is very incriminating evidence (or was) on that phone? I guess that's what I have an issue with. If there is nothing to hide, why not show that? I don't have anything to hide, I wouldn't have an issue with a professional (not a "stranger") looking through my phone and giving it back to me. They're going to see pictures of my pets and kid, and that I called my wife. Maybe I'm boring....

No, I know nothing that is on his phone but I know that any shred of information belonging to high-profile people that can be manipulated in any way to drum up a news buzz and spun negatively often is. And I know that a high profile person combined with out of context and circumstantial information combined with the NFL that seemingly can't protect an ounce of information that is supposed to be confidential is a bad recipe. Think about your phone. Maybe some of us are boring and nothing EVER happens. But for many people, there are texts that you'd prefer others not know about. There might be pics. There may be unsolicited information (but you still got it). I'm not saying he cheats on his wife. I'm not saying he did or didn't do the deflate. But I CAN have an open enough mind to understand that in a person's phone, aside from many private items (financial, photographic, messages), there might be something as simple as a few conversations he had with other players about his real thoughts on Aaron Hernandez and what he knew...or a game plan..or a business venture...or any of a number of things that might make a man say "I can't let the entire world see this". It doesn't have to be something sinister..It could be anything. Maybe his wife cheated on HIM and they are reconciling and want to keep it on the down low and he doesn't want info with his marriage counselor out there.

You just never know but I find it completely reasonable that the vast majority of people in life that don't have a fraction of Tom Brady's lifestyle, might be reluctant to turn over their private information, on the principle of privacy and on the principle of not trusting it won't get leaked.

I'm being serious: dobyou not understand that Wells did nor ask for physical possession of the phone? He asked for copies of relevant texts. So any pics, game plans discussion about Hernandez, info about his wife's cheating, etc wouldn't have gone public unless he decided to put it our there.

Understood completely. I'm asking you to understand that people have trust issues and the NFL has a record of letting things get out. Bad things. Drug test things. Things that are not supposed to get out.. But the fact is they do and once they are, you can't take them back. And we don't know the nature of the Gooodell office/Tom Brady relationship. Brady might jus tbe a buyer of conspiracy theory enough to think "I'll give this to them and they won't find crap. But then next week, somehow, lo and behold, all those pics of Gisele on the beach or all those texts of me ragging on Peyton will surface on TMZ...mysteriously." This is about trust and its obvious the NFL deserves little in how they have handled and reacted to sensitive information.

I understand that. Ted Wells understood that. That's why he didn't ask for the phone itself, he asked for Brady's lawyer to review it and to turn over any pertinent info. The phone, and any info therein unrealted to deflategate, would have remained under confidentiality of Brady's lawyer.

At some point you just have to start ignoring the Patriot fanboys who refuse to even acknowledge this point.

 

[SIDA!]

ProFootballTalk ‏@ProFootballTalk 20m20 minutes ago

Habit or not, if Brady destroyed the phone with awareness of the pending request to review its contents, that's a problem.

Can someone find out something about the "habit" bit? Not seeing anything...

if I were a celebrity and had his kind of money, I would absolutely destroy my old phone when I was done with it.

This is a no-brainer. If you have the money he does and the wife he does, believe me...NOBODY is going to get within ten feet of your phone cause you know what kinda stuff is on that thing. TMZ would have ALL kinds of pics by tomorrow.Think about it, none of us are Tom Brady, probably don't have his wealth or a wife and lifestyle like he does and still, how many of us would want to let a stranger look through our phone all they want?

Elaborate. Are you saying that you know that there is very incriminating evidence (or was) on that phone? I guess that's what I have an issue with. If there is nothing to hide, why not show that? I don't have anything to hide, I wouldn't have an issue with a professional (not a "stranger") looking through my phone and giving it back to me. They're going to see pictures of my pets and kid, and that I called my wife. Maybe I'm boring....

No, I know nothing that is on his phone but I know that any shred of information belonging to high-profile people that can be manipulated in any way to drum up a news buzz and spun negatively often is. And I know that a high profile person combined with out of context and circumstantial information combined with the NFL that seemingly can't protect an ounce of information that is supposed to be confidential is a bad recipe. Think about your phone. Maybe some of us are boring and nothing EVER happens. But for many people, there are texts that you'd prefer others not know about. There might be pics. There may be unsolicited information (but you still got it). I'm not saying he cheats on his wife. I'm not saying he did or didn't do the deflate. But I CAN have an open enough mind to understand that in a person's phone, aside from many private items (financial, photographic, messages), there might be something as simple as a few conversations he had with other players about his real thoughts on Aaron Hernandez and what he knew...or a game plan..or a business venture...or any of a number of things that might make a man say "I can't let the entire world see this". It doesn't have to be something sinister..It could be anything. Maybe his wife cheated on HIM and they are reconciling and want to keep it on the down low and he doesn't want info with his marriage counselor out there.

You just never know but I find it completely reasonable that the vast majority of people in life that don't have a fraction of Tom Brady's lifestyle, might be reluctant to turn over their private information, on the principle of privacy and on the principle of not trusting it won't get leaked.

I'm being serious: dobyou not understand that Wells did nor ask for physical possession of the phone? He asked for copies of relevant texts. So any pics, game plans discussion about Hernandez, info about his wife's cheating, etc wouldn't have gone public unless he decided to put it our there.

Understood completely. I'm asking you to understand that people have trust issues and the NFL has a record of letting things get out. Bad things. Drug test things. Things that are not supposed to get out.. But the fact is they do and once they are, you can't take them back. And we don't know the nature of the Gooodell office/Tom Brady relationship. Brady might jus tbe a buyer of conspiracy theory enough to think "I'll give this to them and they won't find crap. But then next week, somehow, lo and behold, all those pics of Gisele on the beach or all those texts of me ragging on Peyton will surface on TMZ...mysteriously."

This is about trust and its obvious the NFL deserves little in how they have handled and reacted to sensitive information.

I understand that. Ted Wells understood that. That's why he didn't ask for the phone itself, he asked for Brady's lawyer to review it and to turn over any pertinent info. The phone, and any info therein unrealted to deflategate, would have remained under confidentiality of Brady's lawyer.

LMAO...so if Brady's camp turned over a bunch of texts that revealed absolutely nothing...then what? Everyone would have said..."I guess there is nothing to see here. No fine or suspension deserved."

Please.

Then people would be saying..."Well, of course they only turned over the stuff they wanted the NFL to see."

For the record once again. I am not a Pats fan or a Brady fan. I don't even really like the Pats at all. But I do think the NFL is arbitrary in how it handles situations and think the commissioner is more of a tyrannical dictator than an impartial arbiter.

 

[Ojaays]

Love that they reduced Bell's at the same time.

Yeah, that was nice little parting, FU to Brady...

Well played Roger

 

[pantherclub]

ProFootballTalk ‏@ProFootballTalk 20m20 minutes ago

Habit or not, if Brady destroyed the phone with awareness of the pending request to review its contents, that's a problem.

Can someone find out something about the "habit" bit? Not seeing anything...

if I were a celebrity and had his kind of money, I would absolutely destroy my old phone when I was done with it.

This is a no-brainer. If you have the money he does and the wife he does, believe me...NOBODY is going to get within ten feet of your phone cause you know what kinda stuff is on that thing. TMZ would have ALL kinds of pics by tomorrow.Think about it, none of us are Tom Brady, probably don't have his wealth or a wife and lifestyle like he does and still, how many of us would want to let a stranger look through our phone all they want?

Elaborate. Are you saying that you know that there is very incriminating evidence (or was) on that phone? I guess that's what I have an issue with. If there is nothing to hide, why not show that? I don't have anything to hide, I wouldn't have an issue with a professional (not a "stranger") looking through my phone and giving it back to me. They're going to see pictures of my pets and kid, and that I called my wife. Maybe I'm boring....

No, I know nothing that is on his phone but I know that any shred of information belonging to high-profile people that can be manipulated in any way to drum up a news buzz and spun negatively often is. And I know that a high profile person combined with out of context and circumstantial information combined with the NFL that seemingly can't protect an ounce of information that is supposed to be confidential is a bad recipe. Think about your phone. Maybe some of us are boring and nothing EVER happens. But for many people, there are texts that you'd prefer others not know about. There might be pics. There may be unsolicited information (but you still got it). I'm not saying he cheats on his wife. I'm not saying he did or didn't do the deflate. But I CAN have an open enough mind to understand that in a person's phone, aside from many private items (financial, photographic, messages), there might be something as simple as a few conversations he had with other players about his real thoughts on Aaron Hernandez and what he knew...or a game plan..or a business venture...or any of a number of things that might make a man say "I can't let the entire world see this". It doesn't have to be something sinister..It could be anything. Maybe his wife cheated on HIM and they are reconciling and want to keep it on the down low and he doesn't want info with his marriage counselor out there.

You just never know but I find it completely reasonable that the vast majority of people in life that don't have a fraction of Tom Brady's lifestyle, might be reluctant to turn over their private information, on the principle of privacy and on the principle of not trusting it won't get leaked.

I'm being serious: dobyou not understand that Wells did nor ask for physical possession of the phone? He asked for copies of relevant texts. So any pics, game plans discussion about Hernandez, info about his wife's cheating, etc wouldn't have gone public unless he decided to put it our there.

Understood completely. I'm asking you to understand that people have trust issues and the NFL has a record of letting things get out. Bad things. Drug test things. Things that are not supposed to get out.. But the fact is they do and once they are, you can't take them back. And we don't know the nature of the Gooodell office/Tom Brady relationship. Brady might jus tbe a buyer of conspiracy theory enough to think "I'll give this to them and they won't find crap. But then next week, somehow, lo and behold, all those pics of Gisele on the beach or all those texts of me ragging on Peyton will surface on TMZ...mysteriously."

This is about trust and its obvious the NFL deserves little in how they have handled and reacted to sensitive information.

I understand that. Ted Wells understood that. That's why he didn't ask for the phone itself, he asked for Brady's lawyer to review it and to turn over any pertinent info. The phone, and any info therein unrealted to deflategate, would have remained under confidentiality of Brady's lawyer.

LMAO...so if Brady's camp turned over a bunch of texts that revealed absolutely nothing...then what? Everyone would have said..."I guess there is nothing to see here. No fine or suspension deserved."

Please.

Then people would be saying..."Well, of course they only turned over the stuff they wanted the NFL to see."

For the record once again. I am not a Pats fan or a Brady fan. I don't even really like the Pats at all. But I do think the NFL is arbitrary in how it handles situations and think the commissioner is more of a tyrannical dictator than an impartial arbiter.

You are not very good at this.

 

[Burl]

Brady never had to give up his phone. His lawyer was suppose to hand over the relevant texts. Instead he destroyed the phone.

I give the chance that Brady gets an injunction at less than 10%. He is sitting out 4 games. And this never gets to court after that.

Brady lied and obstructed multiple times in this. He is sitting out the 4 games. And then what would court satisfy at that point? To win over public opinion? That is a lost cause.

Not sure I agree with this. Brady's argument was that the investigation and process was flawed, that Goodell was not impartial, that the league broke labor laws, and the penalty was not consistent with prior provident. None of that changes cell phone or no cell phone.The league came out with the destroyed cell phone information to gain traction in the court of public opinion. I don't think that will play a big roll in receiving or not receiving an injunction.

brady fought everything. He even had the AEI economist (that wrote the paper that got everyone all spun up about) in to testify. It wasn't just process that was reviewed.

His LEGAL argument for court, not his appeal to the league. The things I listed is what the court will consider for an injunction.

You mean he plans to appeal the very things that were agreed upon by the players union when they SIGNED THE CBA? Sounds like a pretty weak stance to me.

 

[Old Smiley]

Via Schefter:

Statement from Tom Brady's agent, Don Yee:

"The Commissioner’s decision is deeply disappointing, but not surprising because the appeal process was thoroughly lacking in procedural fairness.

Most importantly, neither Tom nor the Patriots did anything wrong. And the NFL has no evidence that anything inappropriate occurred.

The appeal process was a sham, resulting in the Commissioner rubber-stamping his own decision. For example, the Wells investigative team was given over 100 days to conduct its investigation. Just days prior to the appeal hearing, we were notified that we would only have four hours to present a defense; therefore, we didn’t have enough time to examine important witnesses. Likewise, it was represented to the public that the Wells team was ‘independent’; however, when we requested documents from Wells, our request was rejected on the basis of privilege. We therefore had no idea as to what Wells found from other witnesses, nor did we know what those other witnesses said.

These are just two examples of how the Commissioner failed to ensure a fair process.

Additionally, the science in the Wells Report was junk. It has been thoroughly discredited by independent third parties.

Finally, as to the issue of cooperation, we presented the Commissioner with an unprecedented amount of electronic data, all of which is incontrovertible. I do not think that any private citizen would have agreed to provide anyone with the amount of information that Tom was willing to reveal to the Commissioner. Tom was completely transparent. All of the electronic information was ignored; we don’t know why. The extent to which Tom opened up his private life to the Commissioner will become clear in the coming days.

The Commissioner’s decision and discipline has no precedent in all of NFL history. His decision alters the competitive balance of the upcoming season. The decision is wrong and has no basis, and it diminishes the integrity of the game.”

 

[Old Smiley]

Apparently the union can still file in MN, or where ever.

 

[Burl]

Via Schefter:

Statement from Tom Brady's agent, Don Yee:

"The Commissioner’s decision is deeply disappointing, but not surprising because the appeal process was thoroughly lacking in procedural fairness.

Most importantly, neither Tom nor the Patriots did anything wrong. And the NFL has no evidence that anything inappropriate occurred.

The appeal process was a sham, resulting in the Commissioner rubber-stamping his own decision. For example, the Wells investigative team was given over 100 days to conduct its investigation. Just days prior to the appeal hearing, we were notified that we would only have four hours to present a defense; therefore, we didn’t have enough time to examine important witnesses. Likewise, it was represented to the public that the Wells team was ‘independent’; however, when we requested documents from Wells, our request was rejected on the basis of privilege. We therefore had no idea as to what Wells found from other witnesses, nor did we know what those other witnesses said.

These are just two examples of how the Commissioner failed to ensure a fair process.

Additionally, the science in the Wells Report was junk. It has been thoroughly discredited by independent third parties.

Finally, as to the issue of cooperation, we presented the Commissioner with an unprecedented amount of electronic data, all of which is incontrovertible. I do not think that any private citizen would have agreed to provide anyone with the amount of information that Tom was willing to reveal to the Commissioner. Tom was completely transparent. All of the electronic information was ignored; we don’t know why. The extent to which Tom opened up his private life to the Commissioner will become clear in the coming days.

The Commissioner’s decision and discipline has no precedent in all of NFL history. His decision alters the competitive balance of the upcoming season. The decision is wrong and has no basis, and it diminishes the integrity of the game.”

In layman's terms, "WAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH".

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Stopped reading at Don Yee.

 

[moleculo]

Via Schefter:

Statement from Tom Brady's agent, Don Yee:

"The Commissioner’s decision is deeply disappointing, but not surprising because the appeal process was thoroughly lacking in procedural fairness.

Most importantly, neither Tom nor the Patriots did anything wrong. And the NFL has no evidence that anything inappropriate occurred.

The appeal process was a sham, resulting in the Commissioner rubber-stamping his own decision. For example, the Wells investigative team was given over 100 days to conduct its investigation. Just days prior to the appeal hearing, we were notified that we would only have four hours to present a defense; therefore, we didn’t have enough time to examine important witnesses. Likewise, it was represented to the public that the Wells team was ‘independent’; however, when we requested documents from Wells, our request was rejected on the basis of privilege. We therefore had no idea as to what Wells found from other witnesses, nor did we know what those other witnesses said.

These are just two examples of how the Commissioner failed to ensure a fair process.

Additionally, the science in the Wells Report was junk. It has been thoroughly discredited by independent third parties.

Finally, as to the issue of cooperation, we presented the Commissioner with an unprecedented amount of electronic data, all of which is incontrovertible. I do not think that any private citizen would have agreed to provide anyone with the amount of information that Tom was willing to reveal to the Commissioner. Tom was completely transparent. All of the electronic information was ignored; we don’t know why. The extent to which Tom opened up his private life to the Commissioner will become clear in the coming days.

The Commissioner’s decision and discipline has no precedent in all of NFL history. His decision alters the competitive balance of the upcoming season. The decision is wrong and has no basis, and it diminishes the integrity of the game.”

I love it. this will keep going on, and on, and on, and on...

 

[Sabertooth]

I wish they nail him another game for his agents statement being detrimental to the league.

 

[Workhorse]

however, when we requested documents from Wells, our request was rejected on the basis of privilege.

That's not going to play well in court for the NFL. Not one bit.

 

[SIDA!]

I wish they nail him another game for his agents statement being detrimental to the league.

That wound be funny and also follow the pattern of making up #### as he goes.

 

[Sabertooth]

It would be a nice,"go lay by your dish" moment for Brady.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Tom Bradys defense efforts.

 

[The Duff Man]

A brief summary for those who dont want to read the statement from Tom's agent:

1. We disagree with the process for resolving issues like this even though it was agreed upon through collective bargaining

2. Here is a throwaway sentence about the science to deflect attention from the real issue.

3. Brady gave a LOT of information. So what if it wasnt the RELEVANT information....it was A LOT!!

 

[GregR]

A brief summary for those who dont want to read the statement from Tom's agent:

1. We disagree with the process for resolving issues like this even though it was agreed upon through collective bargaining

2. Here is a throwaway sentence about the science to deflect attention from the real issue.

3. Brady gave a LOT of information. So what if it wasnt the RELEVANT information....it was A LOT!!

Not just a lot. It was incontrovertibly a lot.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

But I do think the NFL is arbitrary in how it handles situations and think the commissioner is more of a tyrannical dictator than an impartial arbiter.

Even if that's true, what motivation does Goodell have to unfairly lean in the way of guilt? The owner of the Patriots is one of his good friends. His brand doesn't want to see arguably its most popular and golden player stained with allegations of cheating, nor see its champion accused of the same.

Even if Goodell has way too much power in this to push his own motives, his own motives would point him in the direction of shoving this under the rug as much as possible. He only hurts himself by punishing Brady and the Pats, so to do so he must find the evidence very convincing. If it weren't, motives would dictate that he err on the side of Brady/New England being let off the hook, not on the side of them being punished.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

But I do think the NFL is arbitrary in how it handles situations and think the commissioner is more of a tyrannical dictator than an impartial arbiter.

Even if that's true, what motivation does Goodell have to unfairly lean in the way of guilt? The owner of the Patriots is one of his good friends. His brand doesn't want to see arguably its most popular and golden player stained with allegations of cheating, nor see its champion accused of the same.

Even if Goodell has way too much power in this to push his own motives, his own motives would point him in the direction of shoving this under the rug as much as possible. He only hurts himself by punishing Brady and the Pats, so to do so he must find the evidence very convincing. If it weren't, motives would dictate that he err on the side of Brady/New England being let off the hook, not on the side of them being punished.

Truth.

 

[Thunderlips]

The gift that keeps on giving.

 

[moleculo]

Via Schefter:

Statement from Tom Brady's agent, Don Yee:

"The Commissioner’s decision is deeply disappointing, but not surprising because the appeal process was thoroughly lacking in procedural fairness.

Most importantly, neither Tom nor the Patriots did anything wrong. And the NFL has no evidence that anything inappropriate occurred.

The appeal process was a sham, resulting in the Commissioner rubber-stamping his own decision. For example, the Wells investigative team was given over 100 days to conduct its investigation. Just days prior to the appeal hearing, we were notified that we would only have four hours to present a defense; therefore, we didn’t have enough time to examine important witnesses. Likewise, it was represented to the public that the Wells team was ‘independent’; however, when we requested documents from Wells, our request was rejected on the basis of privilege. We therefore had no idea as to what Wells found from other witnesses, nor did we know what those other witnesses said.

These are just two examples of how the Commissioner failed to ensure a fair process.

Additionally, the science in the Wells Report was junk. It has been thoroughly discredited by independent third parties.

Finally, as to the issue of cooperation, we presented the Commissioner with an unprecedented amount of electronic data, all of which is incontrovertible. I do not think that any private citizen would have agreed to provide anyone with the amount of information that Tom was willing to reveal to the Commissioner. Tom was completely transparent. All of the electronic information was ignored; we don’t know why. The extent to which Tom opened up his private life to the Commissioner will become clear in the coming days.

The Commissioner’s decision and discipline has no precedent in all of NFL history. His decision alters the competitive balance of the upcoming season. The decision is wrong and has no basis, and it diminishes the integrity of the game.”

orange: Did Yee not have access to the Wells report? I mean, I have a pretty good idea what the other witnesses said. Maybe they said some other things too, but did he not conduct his own investigation?

blue: to discuss the science in the report, Yee had an economist come in to testify. How the hell do you bring in an economist who specializes in industrial orginization in to argue with Exponents two PhD's (mechanical engineering and statistics), plus a physics professor from Princeton? If you want to argue science with guys with sciencey PhD's, you might be better off with someone other than an economist. (cite: pg 6). Did Brady's team not have an independant lab replicate the Exponent experiments?

ETA: Brady needs a different lawyer. His statement points to incompetence.

Green: the transgression has no precidence in all of NFL history too, so...

 

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The breakdowns by Steelers fans in here are going to be priceless when the Patriots STILL beat the Steelers in week one with Jimmy Garoppolo

 

[David Dodds]

Anarchy,

How is this injunction any different than what Adrian Peterson asked for?

Roger Goodell has a CBA allowing him to hear appeals. He did and ruled. Explain to me what is different.

Adrian Peterson was found innocent by a court of law, but his injunction was not granted. This is what I am saying. The injunction would have to state that Brady missing the 4 games would do irreparable harm (that could not be satisfied by a monetary judgement should he win in court).

I stand by my statement that sees no chance of an injunction. Can Tom win in court? Sure, but he will have already sat those four games.

David

 

[Yenrub]

This is really simple...

Phone from spring 14 to November 14: Handed over to NFLPA forensic expert for analysis and submission to NFL

Phone from March 6 to April 8: Handed over to NFLPA forensic expert for analysis and submission to NFL

Phone in between, containing potential information of the incident in question: Brady not willing to give to his own lawyer for him to submit data to NFL, citing privacy issues.

Brady was clearly cheating on Gisele between November and March

Just kidding

 

[Leroy Hoard]

The breakdowns by Steelers fans in here are going to be priceless when the Patriots STILL beat the Steelers in week one with Jimmy Garoppolo

Someone should check Jimmy's locker for ball deflators. Maybe they can force them to use their 3rd string QB.

 

[pantherclub]

Anarchy,

How is this injunction any different than what Adrian Peterson asked for?

Roger Goodell has a CBA allowing him to hear appeals. He did and ruled. Explain to me what is different.

Adrian Peterson was found innocent by a court of law, but his injunction was not granted. This is what I am saying. The injunction would have to state that Brady missing the 4 games would do irreparable harm (that could not be satisfied by a monetary judgement should he win in court).

I stand by my statement that sees no chance of an injunction. Can Tom win in court? Sure, but he will have already sat those four games.

David

so was Greg hardy

 

[Ojaays]

Via Schefter:

Statement from Tom Brady's agent, Don Yee:

"The Commissioner’s decision is deeply disappointing, but not surprising because the appeal process was thoroughly lacking in procedural fairness.

Most importantly, neither Tom nor the Patriots did anything wrong. And the NFL has no evidence that anything inappropriate occurred.

The appeal process was a sham, resulting in the Commissioner rubber-stamping his own decision. For example, the Wells investigative team was given over 100 days to conduct its investigation. Just days prior to the appeal hearing, we were notified that we would only have four hours to present a defense; therefore, we didn’t have enough time to examine important witnesses. Likewise, it was represented to the public that the Wells team was ‘independent’; however, when we requested documents from Wells, our request was rejected on the basis of privilege. We therefore had no idea as to what Wells found from other witnesses, nor did we know what those other witnesses said.

These are just two examples of how the Commissioner failed to ensure a fair process.

Additionally, the science in the Wells Report was junk. It has been thoroughly discredited by independent third parties.

Finally, as to the issue of cooperation, we presented the Commissioner with an unprecedented amount of electronic data, all of which is incontrovertible. I do not think that any private citizen would have agreed to provide anyone with the amount of information that Tom was willing to reveal to the Commissioner. Tom was completely transparent. All of the electronic information was ignored; we don’t know why. The extent to which Tom opened up his private life to the Commissioner will become clear in the coming days.

The Commissioner’s decision and discipline has no precedent in all of NFL history. His decision alters the competitive balance of the upcoming season. The decision is wrong and has no basis, and it diminishes the integrity of the game.”

orange: Did Yee not have access to the Wells report? I mean, I have a pretty good idea what the other witnesses said. Maybe they said some other things too, but did he not conduct his own investigation?blue: to discuss the science in the report, Yee had an economist come in to testify. How the hell do you bring in an economist who specializes in industrial orginization in to argue with Exponents two PhD's (mechanical engineering and statistics), plus a physics professor from Princeton? If you want to argue science with guys with sciencey PhD's, you might be better off with someone other than an economist. (cite: pg 6). Did Brady's team not have an independant lab replicate the Exponent experiments?

ETA: Brady needs a different lawyer. His statement points to incompetence.

Green: the transgression has no precidence in all of NFL history too, so...

Johnny Cochran is dead, that, and the OJ dream jury only comes around once in a lifetime.

If the cellphone is upended , you must be suspended

 

[Old Smiley]

But I do think the NFL is arbitrary in how it handles situations and think the commissioner is more of a tyrannical dictator than an impartial arbiter.

Even if that's true, what motivation does Goodell have to unfairly lean in the way of guilt? The owner of the Patriots is one of his good friends. His brand doesn't want to see arguably its most popular and golden player stained with allegations of cheating, nor see its champion accused of the same.

Even if Goodell has way too much power in this to push his own motives, his own motives would point him in the direction of shoving this under the rug as much as possible. He only hurts himself by punishing Brady and the Pats, so to do so he must find the evidence very convincing. If it weren't, motives would dictate that he err on the side of Brady/New England being let off the hook, not on the side of them being punished.

Of COURSE that would have been his first inclination, but the story ran away in the first days. He's been in full on cover your own butt mode ever since.

 

[moleculo]

But I do think the NFL is arbitrary in how it handles situations and think the commissioner is more of a tyrannical dictator than an impartial arbiter.

Even if that's true, what motivation does Goodell have to unfairly lean in the way of guilt? The owner of the Patriots is one of his good friends. His brand doesn't want to see arguably its most popular and golden player stained with allegations of cheating, nor see its champion accused of the same.

Even if Goodell has way too much power in this to push his own motives, his own motives would point him in the direction of shoving this under the rug as much as possible. He only hurts himself by punishing Brady and the Pats, so to do so he must find the evidence very convincing. If it weren't, motives would dictate that he err on the side of Brady/New England being let off the hook, not on the side of them being punished.

Of COURSE that would have been his first inclination, but the story ran away in the first days. He's been in full on cover your own butt mode ever since.

agreed. Taking it to the press seems the only way to prevent Godell from sweeping any of the Patriots transgressions under the rug.

 

[Old Smiley]

But I do think the NFL is arbitrary in how it handles situations and think the commissioner is more of a tyrannical dictator than an impartial arbiter.

Even if that's true, what motivation does Goodell have to unfairly lean in the way of guilt? The owner of the Patriots is one of his good friends. His brand doesn't want to see arguably its most popular and golden player stained with allegations of cheating, nor see its champion accused of the same.

Even if Goodell has way too much power in this to push his own motives, his own motives would point him in the direction of shoving this under the rug as much as possible. He only hurts himself by punishing Brady and the Pats, so to do so he must find the evidence very convincing. If it weren't, motives would dictate that he err on the side of Brady/New England being let off the hook, not on the side of them being punished.

Of COURSE that would have been his first inclination, but the story ran away in the first days. He's been in full on cover your own butt mode ever since.

agreed. Taking it to the press seems the only way to prevent Godell from sweeping any of the Patriots transgressions under the rug.

On any issue with any team. Sweep sweep sweep. It's what they do.

There's been so much written about this that I'll never find it but someone said that the true purpose of the Wells report was to exonerate Park ave. The Pats were just collateral damage.

 

[Anarchy99]

Anarchy,

How is this injunction any different than what Adrian Peterson asked for?

Roger Goodell has a CBA allowing him to hear appeals. He did and ruled. Explain to me what is different.

Adrian Peterson was found innocent by a court of law, but his injunction was not granted. This is what I am saying. The injunction would have to state that Brady missing the 4 games would do irreparable harm (that could not be satisfied by a monetary judgement should he win in court).

I stand by my statement that sees no chance of an injunction. Can Tom win in court? Sure, but he will have already sat those four games.

David

I already outlined what Brady can and will argue. And the cell phone has nothing to do with it. For example, the CBA does not cite that players have to turn over private communications or records to the league. I also believe that labor laws also cannot force employees to give up their personal devices. That might be different in the case of a crime, but no one was charged with a crime. Also, the league took 7 months to investigate and ultimately give their final ruling on this and left Brady no time to seek relief elsewhere. Again, I don't think it is cut and dried as you make it out to be.

 

[Shutout]

Shutout - Thank you for being far more articulate than I have been in this thread. Good stuff.

You mean better at making poor excuses up rather than admitting what everyone already knows?

I guess I'm the only Forrest Gump living in a world of Nostradamuses. And I like that just fine.

 

[Old Smiley]

Adam Schefter
Just now ·
NFLPA statement on Tom Brady suspension:

"The Commissioner's ruling today did nothing to address the legal deficiencies of due process. The NFL remains stuck with the following facts:

The NFL had no policy that applied to players;
The NFL provided no notice of any such policy or potential discipline to players;
The NFL resorted to a nebulous standard of "general awareness" to predicate a legally unjustified punishment;
The NFL had no procedures in place until two days ago to test air pressure in footballs; and
The NFL violated the plain meaning of the collective bargaining agreement.
The fact that the NFL would resort to basing a suspension on a smoke screen of irrelevant text messages instead of admitting that they have all of the phone records they asked for is a new low, even for them, but it does nothing to correct their errors.

The NFLPA will appeal this outrageous decision on behalf of Tom Brady.

-- NFL Players Association"

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Ain't it hard when you wake up in the morning
And you find out that those other days are gone?
All you have is memories of happiness lingerin' on

All your dreams and your lovers won't protect you
They're only passing through you in the end
They'll leave you stripped of all that they can get to
And wait for you to come back again

I find it interesting that Brady fanboys are arguing, whether they understand this or not, there there might still be a scintilla or shadow of a speculative, partially reasonable doubt left as to Brady's non-involvement in the process. Most of us independents were of the opinion that the Wells report established things as more probable than not. We figured punishment should issue, but Brady could walk around under a partial pale of suspicion, but still credibly able to argue for non-involvement. After months of vigorous defense of Brady fanboys have run down every rabbit hole, forcing contemplation of all angles, and Brady 's once palpable arguments now are revealed for the bunk they are.

Sometimes the more one struggles the tighter the noose pulls. that has happened here.

 

[David Dodds]

Anarchy,

How is this injunction any different than what Adrian Peterson asked for?

Roger Goodell has a CBA allowing him to hear appeals. He did and ruled. Explain to me what is different.

Adrian Peterson was found innocent by a court of law, but his injunction was not granted. This is what I am saying. The injunction would have to state that Brady missing the 4 games would do irreparable harm (that could not be satisfied by a monetary judgement should he win in court).

I stand by my statement that sees no chance of an injunction. Can Tom win in court? Sure, but he will have already sat those four games.

David

I already outlined what Brady can and will argue. And the cell phone has nothing to do with it.For example, the CBA does not cite that players have to turn over private communications or records to the league. I also believe that labor laws also cannot force employees to give up their personal devices. That might be different in the case of a crime, but no one was charged with a crime. Also, the league took 7 months to investigate and ultimately give their final ruling on this and left Brady no time to seek relief elsewhere. Again, I don't think it is cut and dried as you make it out to be.

That's the legal case not the injunction.

If I were a betting man, I say it goes like this:

NFL petitions Manhattan court to rubber stamp this ruling.

NFLPA pushes their legal paperwork soon to Mass or Minn.

Then there needs to be a jurisdiction ruling to see who gets to decide on the injunction.

Then an injunction hearing would need to take place and finally an injunction.

Call me a skeptic, but I don't see this all happening before the start of the season.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

The NFL is not messing around. They've already preempted Brady and the NfLPA by filing a pleading with the federal court to confirm the NFL's decision.

Yup, pretty telling.

Rog is taking this one to the mat.

I'm making my call now, this never goes to court.

If it does, the NFL subpoena's all the cell phone records and then who knows what shows up on those, calls, texts with Hoodie?...

At the end of the day, Brady will take his smacks and say thank you may I have another, because right now, Brady can't look any worse, unless the phone records are revealed.

Pretty clear that the NFL is pissed now. They're going nuclear on Brady. I bet he suddenly doesn't get so many calls his way on the field now either.

Kraft was smart. Goodell probably shared the cellphone tidbit with him earlier and Kraft realized just how guilty Brady really is and that he has to think about the Patriots post-Brady as well. If the Patriots had fought this thing and all this stuff came out, suddenly they take a huge hit in general. The Pats have received pretty warm treatment by the NFL for a while now; my guess is that Kraft decide it wasn't worth chancing being on the other side of that when they no longer have Brady.

Brady was an idiot for appealing this in the first place. As soon as he appealed, he guaranteed that the cellphone thing would come out. That's going interpreted (correctly of course) as an open admission of guilt by the league, the courts, and all NFL fans, including even NE fans. If he goes to court, he's going to be stuck litigating purely on "process" grounds -- he no longer has the ability to plausibly argue that the findings of the Wells report are substantively wrong.

And of course, this also weakens his "process" case. He's being punished for cheating and failing to cooperate with the ensuing investigation. Now that he admits to knowingly having destroyed evidence, he's going to have a really hard time making the case that he's being treated unfairly somehow.

He's going to lose in court. I originally assumed that he would at least get an injunction, but I don't think that's a sure thing at all anymore. If he cares about his legacy, he should have just done what Kraft did and maintain his innocence but claim that he's taking his punishment for the good of the team (e.g. they can get Garrapolo prepared without uncertainty hanging over them in camp). That would have at least given Patriot fans something to cling to. Instead, he tried this idiotic bluff and got wrecked.

 

[Bayhawks]

I'm being serious: dobyou not understand that Wells did nor ask for physical possession of the phone? He asked for copies of relevant texts. So any pics, game plans discussion about Hernandez, info about his wife's cheating, etc wouldn't have gone public unless he decided to put it our there.

at having faith in the NFL to be airtight with information like that.

What day of the month does your boy scout troop meet up, little jimmy?

What needs to be airtight? Brady controlled what Wells had access to, so there was no need for faith in the NFL. What time does your basic reading skills class meet up, little jimmy?

 

[Anarchy99]

Which is even more reason why Brady would be entitled to an injunction. The league left him no time to do anything anout it by dragging their feet literally the entire offseason.

 

[Shutout]

Shutout - Thank you for being far more articulate than I have been in this thread. Good stuff.

You mean better at making poor excuses up rather than admitting what everyone already knows?

I guess I'm the only Forrest Gump living in a world of Nostradamuses. And I like that just fine.

however, when we requested documents from Wells, our request was rejected on the basis of privilege.

That's not going to play well in court for the NFL. Not one bit.

Yeah, people who already have their witch tied at the stake will just say this is whining but people who understand the legal process know this will have its day in court, literally and figuratively

 

[Anarchy99]

The NFL is not messing around. They've already preempted Brady and the NfLPA by filing a pleading with the federal court to confirm the NFL's decision.

Yup, pretty telling.Rog is taking this one to the mat.

I'm making my call now, this never goes to court.

If it does, the NFL subpoena's all the cell phone records and then who knows what shows up on those, calls, texts with Hoodie?...

At the end of the day, Brady will take his smacks and say thank you may I have another, because right now, Brady can't look any worse, unless the phone records are revealed.

Pretty clear that the NFL is pissed now. They're going nuclear on Brady. I bet he suddenly doesn't get so many calls his way on the field now either.Kraft was smart. Goodell probably shared the cellphone tidbit with him earlier and Kraft realized just how guilty Brady really is and that he has to think about the Patriots post-Brady as well. If the Patriots had fought this thing and all this stuff came out, suddenly they take a huge hit in general. The Pats have received pretty warm treatment by the NFL for a while now; my guess is that Kraft decide it wasn't worth chancing being on the other side of that when they no longer have Brady.

Brady was an idiot for appealing this in the first place. As soon as he appealed, he guaranteed that the cellphone thing would come out. That's going interpreted (correctly of course) as an open admission of guilt by the league, the courts, and all NFL fans, including even NE fans. If he goes to court, he's going to be stuck litigating purely on "process" grounds -- he no longer has the ability to plausibly argue that the findings of the Wells report are substantively wrong.

And of course, this also weakens his "process" case. He's being punished for cheating and failing to cooperate with the ensuing investigation. Now that he admits to knowingly having destroyed evidence, he's going to have a really hard time making the case that he's being treated unfairly somehow.

He's going to lose in court. I originally assumed that he would at least get an injunction, but I don't think that's a sure thing at all anymore. If he cares about his legacy, he should have just done what Kraft did and maintain his innocence but claim that he's taking his punishment for the good of the team (e.g. they can get Garrapolo prepared without uncertainty hanging over them in camp). That would have at least given Patriot fans something to cling to. Instead, he tried this idiotic bluff and got wrecked.

The cell phone is more of an issue for the fan base then the court. Demanding his private communications may not even be legal and may not conform to labor laws.

I don't know how all this works, but Brady is not charged with a crime. If Brady wanted to hand over records that helped his case, that is one thing. But I do not believe the league can force him to produce them. Yet that seemingly was one of the reasons he was suspended.

 

[Bayhawks]

ProFootballTalk ‏@ProFootballTalk 20m20 minutes ago

Habit or not, if Brady destroyed the phone with awareness of the pending request to review its contents, that's a problem.

Can someone find out something about the "habit" bit? Not seeing anything...

if I were a celebrity and had his kind of money, I would absolutely destroy my old phone when I was done with it.

This is a no-brainer. If you have the money he does and the wife he does, believe me...NOBODY is going to get within ten feet of your phone cause you know what kinda stuff is on that thing. TMZ would have ALL kinds of pics by tomorrow.Think about it, none of us are Tom Brady, probably don't have his wealth or a wife and lifestyle like he does and still, how many of us would want to let a stranger look through our phone all they want?

Elaborate. Are you saying that you know that there is very incriminating evidence (or was) on that phone? I guess that's what I have an issue with. If there is nothing to hide, why not show that? I don't have anything to hide, I wouldn't have an issue with a professional (not a "stranger") looking through my phone and giving it back to me. They're going to see pictures of my pets and kid, and that I called my wife. Maybe I'm boring....

No, I know nothing that is on his phone but I know that any shred of information belonging to high-profile people that can be manipulated in any way to drum up a news buzz and spun negatively often is. And I know that a high profile person combined with out of context and circumstantial information combined with the NFL that seemingly can't protect an ounce of information that is supposed to be confidential is a bad recipe. Think about your phone. Maybe some of us are boring and nothing EVER happens. But for many people, there are texts that you'd prefer others not know about. There might be pics. There may be unsolicited information (but you still got it). I'm not saying he cheats on his wife. I'm not saying he did or didn't do the deflate. But I CAN have an open enough mind to understand that in a person's phone, aside from many private items (financial, photographic, messages), there might be something as simple as a few conversations he had with other players about his real thoughts on Aaron Hernandez and what he knew...or a game plan..or a business venture...or any of a number of things that might make a man say "I can't let the entire world see this". It doesn't have to be something sinister..It could be anything. Maybe his wife cheated on HIM and they are reconciling and want to keep it on the down low and he doesn't want info with his marriage counselor out there.

You just never know but I find it completely reasonable that the vast majority of people in life that don't have a fraction of Tom Brady's lifestyle, might be reluctant to turn over their private information, on the principle of privacy and on the principle of not trusting it won't get leaked.

I'm being serious: dobyou not understand that Wells did nor ask for physical possession of the phone? He asked for copies of relevant texts. So any pics, game plans discussion about Hernandez, info about his wife's cheating, etc wouldn't have gone public unless he decided to put it our there.

Understood completely. I'm asking you to understand that people have trust issues and the NFL has a record of letting things get out. Bad things. Drug test things. Things that are not supposed to get out.. But the fact is they do and once they are, you can't take them back. And we don't know the nature of the Gooodell office/Tom Brady relationship. Brady might jus tbe a buyer of conspiracy theory enough to think "I'll give this to them and they won't find crap. But then next week, somehow, lo and behold, all those pics of Gisele on the beach or all those texts of me ragging on Peyton will surface on TMZ...mysteriously." This is about trust and its obvious the NFL deserves little in how they have handled and reacted to sensitive information.

See my previous post about how Brady didn't need to trust the NFL, b/c he could control what Wells got. so no Giselle pics or texts ragging Peyton could have surfaced. You're making a baseless argument, because there is no basis for Brady to refuse to have chosen to provide copies of texts (AGAIN-NOT HIS ACTUAL PHONE!), or to destroy his phone at that exact time.

 

[Shutout]

But I do think the NFL is arbitrary in how it handles situations and think the commissioner is more of a tyrannical dictator than an impartial arbiter.

Even if that's true, what motivation does Goodell have to unfairly lean in the way of guilt? The owner of the Patriots is one of his good friends. His brand doesn't want to see arguably its most popular and golden player stained with allegations of cheating, nor see its champion accused of the same.

Even if Goodell has way too much power in this to push his own motives, his own motives would point him in the direction of shoving this under the rug as much as possible. He only hurts himself by punishing Brady and the Pats, so to do so he must find the evidence very convincing. If it weren't, motives would dictate that he err on the side of Brady/New England being let off the hook, not on the side of them being punished.

It must be amazingly hard to have such a myopic view of things. Roger Goodall and the NFL are lobbying HARD to grow the NFL into unsaturated markets outside the NFL. They MUST convince foreign lands that they are impartial and the playing field is fair. In this day and age, and in addition to the recent utter failure of the NFL to originally sanction anywhere near of a fair decision in the ray rice case, the NFL has to over compensate in every avenue they control to restore balance and the proper image they wish to display.

Roger Goodell is the walking illustration of a 60 year old impotent man with a Porsche and a speedboat.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Anarchy,

How is this injunction any different than what Adrian Peterson asked for?

Roger Goodell has a CBA allowing him to hear appeals. He did and ruled. Explain to me what is different.

Adrian Peterson was found innocent by a court of law, but his injunction was not granted. This is what I am saying. The injunction would have to state that Brady missing the 4 games would do irreparable harm (that could not be satisfied by a monetary judgement should he win in court).

I stand by my statement that sees no chance of an injunction. Can Tom win in court? Sure, but he will have already sat those four games.

David

I already outlined what Brady can and will argue. And the cell phone has nothing to do with it.For example, the CBA does not cite that players have to turn over private communications or records to the league. I also believe that labor laws also cannot force employees to give up their personal devices. That might be different in the case of a crime, but no one was charged with a crime. Also, the league took 7 months to investigate and ultimately give their final ruling on this and left Brady no time to seek relief elsewhere. Again, I don't think it is cut and dried as you make it out to be.

For the millionth time, nobody ever asked Brady to surrender his phone. You're getting basic, fundamental facts wrong.

 

[pantherclub]

But I do think the NFL is arbitrary in how it handles situations and think the commissioner is more of a tyrannical dictator than an impartial arbiter.

Even if that's true, what motivation does Goodell have to unfairly lean in the way of guilt? The owner of the Patriots is one of his good friends. His brand doesn't want to see arguably its most popular and golden player stained with allegations of cheating, nor see its champion accused of the same.

Even if Goodell has way too much power in this to push his own motives, his own motives would point him in the direction of shoving this under the rug as much as possible. He only hurts himself by punishing Brady and the Pats, so to do so he must find the evidence very convincing. If it weren't, motives would dictate that he err on the side of Brady/New England being let off the hook, not on the side of them being punished.

It must be amazingly hard to have such a myopic view of things. Roger Goodall and the NFL are lobbying HARD to grow the NFL into unsaturated markets outside the NFL. They MUST convince foreign lands that they are impartial and the playing field is fair. In this day and age, and in addition to the recent utter failure of the NFL to originally sanction anywhere near of a fair decision in the ray rice case, the NFL has to over compensate in every avenue they control to restore balance and the proper image they wish to display.

Roger Goodell is the walking illustration of a 60 year old impotent man with a Porsche and a speedboat.

So its a conspiracy, got it, thanks for your input