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Skins were docked $36 million and the Cowboys were docked $10 million. Think the Saints and Raiders were in violation as well and just didn't get any of the redistributed cap. Pretty much the biggest crock of #### the NFL has ever pulled.
Agreed.I think if the Pats gave 10.5 PSI balls to the refs and the refs ok'd them. Then no big deal. It's the NFL's fault and probably happens in most games.Am I the only non-Pats fan who still doesn't think this is a big deal? When the Manning/Brady petition changed the rules, it pretty much gave every QB the freedom to doctor the balls to their liking. Now it's just an accepted part of the culture. It seems many QBs are not happy that this is being brought to the limelight as it wil, if nothing else, lead to much more stringent rules concerning ball control and handling. I don't really care how the balls lost the 2 PSI, but I think the hot air theory is the most likely scenario. I just don't care; I say leave well enough alone.
I think if the Pats filled them with hot air or deflated them during the game then it's a different story.
Well other than Aaron Rodgers the best QB in the league. I know he wasn't asked in response to the controversy. But unless you're arguing that Phil Simms lied on air and Rodgers never corrected him he thinks a deflated ball is a disadvantage.It's a big difference. Even if most QBs are doing it, that's like saying that steroids were no big deal because most guys were taking them. Either way, the guys who aren't doing it are at a big disadvantage.Nope... i'm not a Pats fan and I think this is ridiculous too.Am I the only non-Pats fan who still doesn't think this is a big deal? When the Manning/Brady petition changed the rules, it pretty much gave every QB the freedom to doctor the balls to their liking. Now it's just an accepted part of the culture. It seems many QBs are not happy that this is being brought to the limelight as it wil, if nothing else, lead to much more stringent rules concerning ball control and handling. I don't really care how the balls lost the 2 PSI, but I think the hot air theory is the most likely scenario. I just don't care; I say leave well enough alone.
And yes, having a deflated football is a big advantage. Aside from personal experience, every player that they've asked about it has said yes, it is a major advantage.
If there's foul play, Isn't there some sort of "integrity of the game" catch all rule that could be used if the commissioner wanted to...even if the offense isn't spelled out in the rules? I get what you're saying....but I'm sure there's a near infinite amount of antics that one could pull in an effort to get an advantage that aren't spelled out in the rules.
I sort of agree, but I think you are making two assumptions. First, that Rodgers/GB has never tampered afterwards and second, that the Pats did tamper with the balls after inspection. Personally, I am not a Pats fan, grew up close to them so it doesn't bother me if they win over other teams, but I was really happy when the Panthers beat them last year. I really don't care about it.
Rodgers said that HE doesn't like them, but also said that most QBs would consider it a big advantage.Well other than Aaron Rodgers the best QB in the league. I know he wasn't asked in response to the controversy. But unless you're arguing that Phil Simms lied on air and Rodgers never corrected him he thinks a deflated ball is a disadvantage.It's a big difference. Even if most QBs are doing it, that's like saying that steroids were no big deal because most guys were taking them. Either way, the guys who aren't doing it are at a big disadvantage.Nope... i'm not a Pats fan and I think this is ridiculous too.Am I the only non-Pats fan who still doesn't think this is a big deal? When the Manning/Brady petition changed the rules, it pretty much gave every QB the freedom to doctor the balls to their liking. Now it's just an accepted part of the culture. It seems many QBs are not happy that this is being brought to the limelight as it wil, if nothing else, lead to much more stringent rules concerning ball control and handling. I don't really care how the balls lost the 2 PSI, but I think the hot air theory is the most likely scenario. I just don't care; I say leave well enough alone.
And yes, having a deflated football is a big advantage. Aside from personal experience, every player that they've asked about it has said yes, it is a major advantage.
Whether or not it was an advantage is not the point. The question is did they intentionally doctor the balls after they were inspected?Well I guess we'll see next Sunday how much of an advantage it was. If the Pats as underdogs can win with fully inflated balls (probably in the 13.5 range im guessing) then that will show they're great even without lower psi ballsIt's a big difference. Even if most QBs are doing it, that's like saying that steroids were no big deal because most guys were taking them. Either way, the guys who aren't doing it are at a big disadvantage.Nope... i'm not a Pats fan and I think this is ridiculous too.Am I the only non-Pats fan who still doesn't think this is a big deal? When the Manning/Brady petition changed the rules, it pretty much gave every QB the freedom to doctor the balls to their liking. Now it's just an accepted part of the culture. It seems many QBs are not happy that this is being brought to the limelight as it wil, if nothing else, lead to much more stringent rules concerning ball control and handling. I don't really care how the balls lost the 2 PSI, but I think the hot air theory is the most likely scenario. I just don't care; I say leave well enough alone.
And yes, having a deflated football is a big advantage. Aside from personal experience, every player that they've asked about it has said yes, it is a major advantage.
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If you drove 10mph over the speed limit every day, but knew that today there would be a cop hidden with a radar gun on your route... how fast would you drive?
A) BB suspended for the SBWell I guess we'll see next Sunday how much of an advantage it was. If the Pats as underdogs can win with fully inflated balls (probably in the 13.5 range im guessing) then that will show they're great even without lower psi ballsIt's a big difference. Even if most QBs are doing it, that's like saying that steroids were no big deal because most guys were taking them. Either way, the guys who aren't doing it are at a big disadvantage.Nope... i'm not a Pats fan and I think this is ridiculous too.Am I the only non-Pats fan who still doesn't think this is a big deal? When the Manning/Brady petition changed the rules, it pretty much gave every QB the freedom to doctor the balls to their liking. Now it's just an accepted part of the culture. It seems many QBs are not happy that this is being brought to the limelight as it wil, if nothing else, lead to much more stringent rules concerning ball control and handling. I don't really care how the balls lost the 2 PSI, but I think the hot air theory is the most likely scenario. I just don't care; I say leave well enough alone.
And yes, having a deflated football is a big advantage. Aside from personal experience, every player that they've asked about it has said yes, it is a major advantage.
If they lose as a favourite, then one could say that perhaps the balls did have an influence on their play, yes. And that they aren't as good as Seattle, yes.
Seems like he thinks it is an advantage, otherwise why wouldn't he just pump them up to the required threshold?Rodgers said that HE doesn't like them, but also said that most QBs would consider it a big advantage.Well other than Aaron Rodgers the best QB in the league. I know he wasn't asked in response to the controversy. But unless you're arguing that Phil Simms lied on air and Rodgers never corrected him he thinks a deflated ball is a disadvantage.It's a big difference. Even if most QBs are doing it, that's like saying that steroids were no big deal because most guys were taking them. Either way, the guys who aren't doing it are at a big disadvantage.Nope... i'm not a Pats fan and I think this is ridiculous too.Am I the only non-Pats fan who still doesn't think this is a big deal? When the Manning/Brady petition changed the rules, it pretty much gave every QB the freedom to doctor the balls to their liking. Now it's just an accepted part of the culture. It seems many QBs are not happy that this is being brought to the limelight as it wil, if nothing else, lead to much more stringent rules concerning ball control and handling. I don't really care how the balls lost the 2 PSI, but I think the hot air theory is the most likely scenario. I just don't care; I say leave well enough alone.
And yes, having a deflated football is a big advantage. Aside from personal experience, every player that they've asked about it has said yes, it is a major advantage.
"The majority of quarterbacks are maybe on the other end of the spectrum and like it on the flatter side," Rodgers said. "My belief is that there should be a minimum air-pressure requirement but not a maximum. There's no advantage, in my opinion -- we're not kicking the football -- there's no advantage in having a pumped-up football."
Huh, Rodgers said it wasn't, he liked it the other way, so I don't agree. Also, what do you think the talking heads on TV would say. They want to push the controversy as much as possible. They are driven by ratings, not real diagnosis. The ESPN science show was pretty cool and showed it being a negligible advantage, not a "big" advantage. Brady had two bad under throws (deflation causes the balls to go shorter and slower). One to Gronk that was intercepted in the Colt's redzone causing missed points for NE and the other to Vereen where he had to stop when he was wide open and had to hold on because he got hit right after the catch instead of getting a huge gain. So, on both of those plays, a deflated ball hurt the Patriots, so again, not a "big" advantage IMHO.It's a big difference. Even if most QBs are doing it, that's like saying that steroids were no big deal because most guys were taking them. Either way, the guys who aren't doing it are at a big disadvantage.Nope... i'm not a Pats fan and I think this is ridiculous too.Am I the only non-Pats fan who still doesn't think this is a big deal? When the Manning/Brady petition changed the rules, it pretty much gave every QB the freedom to doctor the balls to their liking. Now it's just an accepted part of the culture. It seems many QBs are not happy that this is being brought to the limelight as it wil, if nothing else, lead to much more stringent rules concerning ball control and handling. I don't really care how the balls lost the 2 PSI, but I think the hot air theory is the most likely scenario. I just don't care; I say leave well enough alone.
And yes, having a deflated football is a big advantage. Aside from personal experience, every player that they've asked about it has said yes, it is a major advantage.
odgers said he has a "major problem" with how often officials deflate footballs. The New England Patriots were accused of deflating their footballs for the AFC championship game Sunday, something the NFL is investigating.Rodgers said that HE doesn't like them, but also said that most QBs would consider it a big advantage.Well other than Aaron Rodgers the best QB in the league. I know he wasn't asked in response to the controversy. But unless you're arguing that Phil Simms lied on air and Rodgers never corrected him he thinks a deflated ball is a disadvantage.It's a big difference. Even if most QBs are doing it, that's like saying that steroids were no big deal because most guys were taking them. Either way, the guys who aren't doing it are at a big disadvantage.Nope... i'm not a Pats fan and I think this is ridiculous too.Am I the only non-Pats fan who still doesn't think this is a big deal? When the Manning/Brady petition changed the rules, it pretty much gave every QB the freedom to doctor the balls to their liking. Now it's just an accepted part of the culture. It seems many QBs are not happy that this is being brought to the limelight as it wil, if nothing else, lead to much more stringent rules concerning ball control and handling. I don't really care how the balls lost the 2 PSI, but I think the hot air theory is the most likely scenario. I just don't care; I say leave well enough alone.
And yes, having a deflated football is a big advantage. Aside from personal experience, every player that they've asked about it has said yes, it is a major advantage.
"The majority of quarterbacks are maybe on the other end of the spectrum and like it on the flatter side," Rodgers said. "My belief is that there should be a minimum air-pressure requirement but not a maximum. There's no advantage, in my opinion -- we're not kicking the football -- there's no advantage in having a pumped-up football."
There's no way that Brady takes the fall on this. Even if he did it, just slip the ball-boy a couple million to take the fall.
sure, but what were the starting #s for the colts and did that change at all, even if they stayed within range. Huge piece of info needed here.
Not sure what any of the rest of that matters. All he says, over and over again, is that most players find deflated balls as an advantage while almost no one other than him sees inflated balls as an advantage.odgers said he has a "major problem" with how often officials deflate footballs. The New England Patriots were accused of deflating their footballs for the AFC championship game Sunday, something the NFL is investigating.Rodgers said that HE doesn't like them, but also said that most QBs would consider it a big advantage.Well other than Aaron Rodgers the best QB in the league. I know he wasn't asked in response to the controversy. But unless you're arguing that Phil Simms lied on air and Rodgers never corrected him he thinks a deflated ball is a disadvantage.It's a big difference. Even if most QBs are doing it, that's like saying that steroids were no big deal because most guys were taking them. Either way, the guys who aren't doing it are at a big disadvantage.Nope... i'm not a Pats fan and I think this is ridiculous too.Am I the only non-Pats fan who still doesn't think this is a big deal? When the Manning/Brady petition changed the rules, it pretty much gave every QB the freedom to doctor the balls to their liking. Now it's just an accepted part of the culture. It seems many QBs are not happy that this is being brought to the limelight as it wil, if nothing else, lead to much more stringent rules concerning ball control and handling. I don't really care how the balls lost the 2 PSI, but I think the hot air theory is the most likely scenario. I just don't care; I say leave well enough alone.
And yes, having a deflated football is a big advantage. Aside from personal experience, every player that they've asked about it has said yes, it is a major advantage.
"The majority of quarterbacks are maybe on the other end of the spectrum and like it on the flatter side," Rodgers said. "My belief is that there should be a minimum air-pressure requirement but not a maximum. There's no advantage, in my opinion -- we're not kicking the football -- there's no advantage in having a pumped-up football."
Rodgers would like to see stricter standards enforced, especially against flatter footballs.
"They have a set range they like them at," Rodgers said Tuesday on his ESPN Milwaukee radio show. "I always like to be on the high range because of my grip pressure. I just have a hard time throwing a flat football. The majority of the quarterbacks – I would say more than half – are on the other side of the spectrum and like it on the flatter side.
"My belief is that there should be a minimum air pressure requirement, but not a maximum."
NFL rules stipulate footballs used during games must be inflated between 12.5 and 13.5 pounds per square inch and weigh between 14 and 15 ounces. Rodgers said quarterbacks have "no advantage" throwing a heavily inflated football.
In fact, he said, it's more challenging for quarterbacks with smaller hands or a weaker grip. For them, a flatter football is beneficial.
Rodgers doesn't want to penalize quarterbacks with smaller hands or weaker grips, he said. But when officials deflate footballs before "every game," Rodgers believes it puts him at a disadvantage.
"My biggest problem," Rodgers said, "is I don't think you should be allowed to take air out of the footballs, because it's not an advantage when you have a football that's inflated more than the average, whatever air pressure they want. It's a preference."
You missed a bit of the quote
The parts you omitted show you are not trying to be fair on the topic.
Icon has a good point though. What if Indy always did it too though. They knew damn well the balls were going to be checked that day (Since Baltimore tipped them off, since they planned on telling the refs on the pats, since maybe they thought the nfl was made aware too). So for this game only, the decided to play with fully inflated balls.
Do you type like this on a regular basis? Do people punch you often? Good christ, dude...
no way this guy isn't 100% shtick.
And if you were going to be in a street race that day where any speeding punishment would only be doled out after the race was over, would you alert the cops to watch for speeders in that spot?Exactly. Great point that I never thought of.
Well, now you have posted in here. This took more effort than signing a get well card for a coworker so get off the high horse.
Your statement is incorrect. He said most QB's "like it" and that he feels there's no advantage to a pumped-up football. He never says in that quote that there is a big advantage to a deflated ball.Rodgers said that HE doesn't like them, but also said that most QBs would consider it a big advantage.Well other than Aaron Rodgers the best QB in the league. I know he wasn't asked in response to the controversy. But unless you're arguing that Phil Simms lied on air and Rodgers never corrected him he thinks a deflated ball is a disadvantage.It's a big difference. Even if most QBs are doing it, that's like saying that steroids were no big deal because most guys were taking them. Either way, the guys who aren't doing it are at a big disadvantage.Nope... i'm not a Pats fan and I think this is ridiculous too.Am I the only non-Pats fan who still doesn't think this is a big deal? When the Manning/Brady petition changed the rules, it pretty much gave every QB the freedom to doctor the balls to their liking. Now it's just an accepted part of the culture. It seems many QBs are not happy that this is being brought to the limelight as it wil, if nothing else, lead to much more stringent rules concerning ball control and handling. I don't really care how the balls lost the 2 PSI, but I think the hot air theory is the most likely scenario. I just don't care; I say leave well enough alone.
And yes, having a deflated football is a big advantage. Aside from personal experience, every player that they've asked about it has said yes, it is a major advantage.
"The majority of quarterbacks are maybe on the other end of the spectrum and like it on the flatter side," Rodgers said. "My belief is that there should be a minimum air-pressure requirement but not a maximum. There's no advantage, in my opinion -- we're not kicking the football -- there's no advantage in having a pumped-up football."
I agree, but if you were an alias here trolling folks, could you purposefully type something up that was that painful to read? He uses some decent vocabulary words that a true cretin wouldn't be able to conjure up, but his typing cadence and punctuation reads like somebody who doesn't have thumbs or a frontal lobe. I'd have to try very hard to put a post like that up for others to read.
Do you type like this on a regular basis? Do people punch you often? Good christ, dude...
Maybe they thought they could win even with fully inflated balls?And if you were going to be in a street race that day where any speeding punishment would only be doled out after the race was over, would you alert the cops to watch for speeders in that spot?
The idea that the Colts tipped off the refs and then intentionally put themselves at a competitive disadvantage so they could make the Patriots' look bad after they lose is kind of absurd.
I'm pretty sure we can use our elementary level powers of influence to infer that "there shouldn't be a rule against over-inflated footballs because over-inflated balls don't provide an advantage, but there should be a rule about under-inflated footballs" pretty clearly infers that he thinks under-inflated balls provide an advantage for most players.Your statement is incorrect. He said most QB's "like it" and that he feels there's no advantage to a pumped-up football. He never says in that quote that there is a big advantage to a deflated ball.Rodgers said that HE doesn't like them, but also said that most QBs would consider it a big advantage.Well other than Aaron Rodgers the best QB in the league. I know he wasn't asked in response to the controversy. But unless you're arguing that Phil Simms lied on air and Rodgers never corrected him he thinks a deflated ball is a disadvantage.It's a big difference. Even if most QBs are doing it, that's like saying that steroids were no big deal because most guys were taking them. Either way, the guys who aren't doing it are at a big disadvantage.Nope... i'm not a Pats fan and I think this is ridiculous too.Am I the only non-Pats fan who still doesn't think this is a big deal? When the Manning/Brady petition changed the rules, it pretty much gave every QB the freedom to doctor the balls to their liking. Now it's just an accepted part of the culture. It seems many QBs are not happy that this is being brought to the limelight as it wil, if nothing else, lead to much more stringent rules concerning ball control and handling. I don't really care how the balls lost the 2 PSI, but I think the hot air theory is the most likely scenario. I just don't care; I say leave well enough alone.
And yes, having a deflated football is a big advantage. Aside from personal experience, every player that they've asked about it has said yes, it is a major advantage.
"The majority of quarterbacks are maybe on the other end of the spectrum and like it on the flatter side," Rodgers said. "My belief is that there should be a minimum air-pressure requirement but not a maximum. There's no advantage, in my opinion -- we're not kicking the football -- there's no advantage in having a pumped-up football."
Also, his statement that there is no advantage to a pumped up ball is disingenuous. You may believe it, but I don't. Simms mentioned that Rodgers has big hands, so he is likely able to grip a pumped-up ball better than most and over-inflated balls should travel faster and farther (see the sports science show which showed how deflated balls were slower), which based on his arm and ability to go deep seems to be an advantage.
Did you ever stop to think that maybe just maybe NFL players have larger stronger hands than your average Joe?Not sure what any of the rest of that matters. All he says, over and over again, is that most players find deflated balls as an advantage while almost no one other than him sees inflated balls as an advantage.odgers said he has a "major problem" with how often officials deflate footballs. The New England Patriots were accused of deflating their footballs for the AFC championship game Sunday, something the NFL is investigating.Rodgers said that HE doesn't like them, but also said that most QBs would consider it a big advantage.Well other than Aaron Rodgers the best QB in the league. I know he wasn't asked in response to the controversy. But unless you're arguing that Phil Simms lied on air and Rodgers never corrected him he thinks a deflated ball is a disadvantage.It's a big difference. Even if most QBs are doing it, that's like saying that steroids were no big deal because most guys were taking them. Either way, the guys who aren't doing it are at a big disadvantage.Nope... i'm not a Pats fan and I think this is ridiculous too.Am I the only non-Pats fan who still doesn't think this is a big deal? When the Manning/Brady petition changed the rules, it pretty much gave every QB the freedom to doctor the balls to their liking. Now it's just an accepted part of the culture. It seems many QBs are not happy that this is being brought to the limelight as it wil, if nothing else, lead to much more stringent rules concerning ball control and handling. I don't really care how the balls lost the 2 PSI, but I think the hot air theory is the most likely scenario. I just don't care; I say leave well enough alone.
And yes, having a deflated football is a big advantage. Aside from personal experience, every player that they've asked about it has said yes, it is a major advantage.
"The majority of quarterbacks are maybe on the other end of the spectrum and like it on the flatter side," Rodgers said. "My belief is that there should be a minimum air-pressure requirement but not a maximum. There's no advantage, in my opinion -- we're not kicking the football -- there's no advantage in having a pumped-up football."
Rodgers would like to see stricter standards enforced, especially against flatter footballs.
"They have a set range they like them at," Rodgers said Tuesday on his ESPN Milwaukee radio show. "I always like to be on the high range because of my grip pressure. I just have a hard time throwing a flat football. The majority of the quarterbacks – I would say more than half – are on the other side of the spectrum and like it on the flatter side.
"My belief is that there should be a minimum air pressure requirement, but not a maximum."
NFL rules stipulate footballs used during games must be inflated between 12.5 and 13.5 pounds per square inch and weigh between 14 and 15 ounces. Rodgers said quarterbacks have "no advantage" throwing a heavily inflated football.
In fact, he said, it's more challenging for quarterbacks with smaller hands or a weaker grip. For them, a flatter football is beneficial.
Rodgers doesn't want to penalize quarterbacks with smaller hands or weaker grips, he said. But when officials deflate footballs before "every game," Rodgers believes it puts him at a disadvantage.
"My biggest problem," Rodgers said, "is I don't think you should be allowed to take air out of the footballs, because it's not an advantage when you have a football that's inflated more than the average, whatever air pressure they want. It's a preference."
You missed a bit of the quote
The parts you omitted show you are not trying to be fair on the topic.
Regardless, this is a dumb topic. Go throw a deflated football and a regulation ball and get back to me. 99.9999% of people find a slightly deflated ball significantly easier to throw. It's not rocket science. Seriously, go do it and tell me there's not a BIG difference. I've had personal experience with it. Or you can flip on ESPN and watch Brunell/Bettis' 10 minute rant about how big of an advantage it is and how they wish they could have played with deflated balls.
From the initial article written by Mort:
If Mort has sources that confirm the Colts balls were tested, why is he quoting "ESPN Sports Radio 810 in Kansas City"? And who the hell are they getting their info from? And how much weight are we going to give this report when other sources have said that the Patriots original balls were NOT put back into play, but that backup balls were used?
Wait.. the QB for the upcoming superbowl is having closed door meetings with his teammates now?!
Pretty sure that's like finding the murder weapon. Book him danno!
Rodgers interview makes no sense to me. If he prefers to throw an inflated ball because it gives him an advantage, than how can he say that there should be no maximum psi because there is "no advantage". His comments are extremely self-serving. It's as if he wants a rule that goes against what the majority of NFL players want, but instead wants no rules that goes against what HE prefers.Not sure what any of the rest of that matters. All he says, over and over again, is that most players find deflated balls as an advantage while almost no one other than him sees inflated balls as an advantage.odgers said he has a "major problem" with how often officials deflate footballs. The New England Patriots were accused of deflating their footballs for the AFC championship game Sunday, something the NFL is investigating.Rodgers said that HE doesn't like them, but also said that most QBs would consider it a big advantage.Well other than Aaron Rodgers the best QB in the league. I know he wasn't asked in response to the controversy. But unless you're arguing that Phil Simms lied on air and Rodgers never corrected him he thinks a deflated ball is a disadvantage.It's a big difference. Even if most QBs are doing it, that's like saying that steroids were no big deal because most guys were taking them. Either way, the guys who aren't doing it are at a big disadvantage.Nope... i'm not a Pats fan and I think this is ridiculous too.Am I the only non-Pats fan who still doesn't think this is a big deal? When the Manning/Brady petition changed the rules, it pretty much gave every QB the freedom to doctor the balls to their liking. Now it's just an accepted part of the culture. It seems many QBs are not happy that this is being brought to the limelight as it wil, if nothing else, lead to much more stringent rules concerning ball control and handling. I don't really care how the balls lost the 2 PSI, but I think the hot air theory is the most likely scenario. I just don't care; I say leave well enough alone.
And yes, having a deflated football is a big advantage. Aside from personal experience, every player that they've asked about it has said yes, it is a major advantage.
"The majority of quarterbacks are maybe on the other end of the spectrum and like it on the flatter side," Rodgers said. "My belief is that there should be a minimum air-pressure requirement but not a maximum. There's no advantage, in my opinion -- we're not kicking the football -- there's no advantage in having a pumped-up football."
Rodgers would like to see stricter standards enforced, especially against flatter footballs.
"They have a set range they like them at," Rodgers said Tuesday on his ESPN Milwaukee radio show. "I always like to be on the high range because of my grip pressure. I just have a hard time throwing a flat football. The majority of the quarterbacks – I would say more than half – are on the other side of the spectrum and like it on the flatter side.
"My belief is that there should be a minimum air pressure requirement, but not a maximum."
NFL rules stipulate footballs used during games must be inflated between 12.5 and 13.5 pounds per square inch and weigh between 14 and 15 ounces. Rodgers said quarterbacks have "no advantage" throwing a heavily inflated football.
In fact, he said, it's more challenging for quarterbacks with smaller hands or a weaker grip. For them, a flatter football is beneficial.
Rodgers doesn't want to penalize quarterbacks with smaller hands or weaker grips, he said. But when officials deflate footballs before "every game," Rodgers believes it puts him at a disadvantage.
"My biggest problem," Rodgers said, "is I don't think you should be allowed to take air out of the footballs, because it's not an advantage when you have a football that's inflated more than the average, whatever air pressure they want. It's a preference."
You missed a bit of the quote
The parts you omitted show you are not trying to be fair on the topic.
Regardless, this is a dumb topic. Go throw a deflated football and a regulation ball and get back to me. 99.9999% of people find a slightly deflated ball significantly easier to throw. It's not rocket science. Seriously, go do it and tell me there's not a BIG difference. I've had personal experience with it. Or you can flip on ESPN and watch Brunell/Bettis' 10 minute rant about how big of an advantage it is and how they wish they could have played with deflated balls.
LOL, sorry, but I can't take that seriously. Ignoring the fact that they are paid to enhance controversies, what else would they say? Bettis would rather run with a 0 PSI ball that he could stuff in his pants and stiff arm two guys at once and Brunnell was a 6-1 QB that fumbled 76 times in 151 career starts. If Brady/Manning were behind allowing QBs some flexibility, then Brunnell likely didn't benefit from that at all.Not sure what any of the rest of that matters. All he says, over and over again, is that most players find deflated balls as an advantage while almost no one other than him sees inflated balls as an advantage.odgers said he has a "major problem" with how often officials deflate footballs. The New England Patriots were accused of deflating their footballs for the AFC championship game Sunday, something the NFL is investigating.Rodgers said that HE doesn't like them, but also said that most QBs would consider it a big advantage.Well other than Aaron Rodgers the best QB in the league. I know he wasn't asked in response to the controversy. But unless you're arguing that Phil Simms lied on air and Rodgers never corrected him he thinks a deflated ball is a disadvantage.It's a big difference. Even if most QBs are doing it, that's like saying that steroids were no big deal because most guys were taking them. Either way, the guys who aren't doing it are at a big disadvantage.Nope... i'm not a Pats fan and I think this is ridiculous too.Am I the only non-Pats fan who still doesn't think this is a big deal? When the Manning/Brady petition changed the rules, it pretty much gave every QB the freedom to doctor the balls to their liking. Now it's just an accepted part of the culture. It seems many QBs are not happy that this is being brought to the limelight as it wil, if nothing else, lead to much more stringent rules concerning ball control and handling. I don't really care how the balls lost the 2 PSI, but I think the hot air theory is the most likely scenario. I just don't care; I say leave well enough alone.
And yes, having a deflated football is a big advantage. Aside from personal experience, every player that they've asked about it has said yes, it is a major advantage.
"The majority of quarterbacks are maybe on the other end of the spectrum and like it on the flatter side," Rodgers said. "My belief is that there should be a minimum air-pressure requirement but not a maximum. There's no advantage, in my opinion -- we're not kicking the football -- there's no advantage in having a pumped-up football."
Rodgers would like to see stricter standards enforced, especially against flatter footballs.
"They have a set range they like them at," Rodgers said Tuesday on his ESPN Milwaukee radio show. "I always like to be on the high range because of my grip pressure. I just have a hard time throwing a flat football. The majority of the quarterbacks – I would say more than half – are on the other side of the spectrum and like it on the flatter side.
"My belief is that there should be a minimum air pressure requirement, but not a maximum."
NFL rules stipulate footballs used during games must be inflated between 12.5 and 13.5 pounds per square inch and weigh between 14 and 15 ounces. Rodgers said quarterbacks have "no advantage" throwing a heavily inflated football.
In fact, he said, it's more challenging for quarterbacks with smaller hands or a weaker grip. For them, a flatter football is beneficial.
Rodgers doesn't want to penalize quarterbacks with smaller hands or weaker grips, he said. But when officials deflate footballs before "every game," Rodgers believes it puts him at a disadvantage.
"My biggest problem," Rodgers said, "is I don't think you should be allowed to take air out of the footballs, because it's not an advantage when you have a football that's inflated more than the average, whatever air pressure they want. It's a preference."
You missed a bit of the quote
The parts you omitted show you are not trying to be fair on the topic.
Regardless, this is a dumb topic. Go throw a deflated football and a regulation ball and get back to me. 99.9999% of people find a slightly deflated ball significantly easier to throw. It's not rocket science. Seriously, go do it and tell me there's not a BIG difference. I've had personal experience with it. Or you can flip on ESPN and watch Brunell/Bettis' 10 minute rant about how big of an advantage it is and how they wish they could have played with deflated balls.
We know that the NFL wants more scoring. They have done everything in their power to keep their QB's healthy, to the extent that you can barely sack them anymore without getting called for a penalty.LOL, sorry, but I can't take that seriously. Ignoring the fact that they are paid to enhance controversies, what else would they say? Bettis would rather run with a 0 PSI ball that he could stuff in his pants and stiff arm two guys at once and Brunnell was a 6-1 QB that fumbled 76 times in 151 career starts. If Brady/Manning were behind allowing QBs some flexibility, then Brunnell likely didn't benefit from that at all.Not sure what any of the rest of that matters. All he says, over and over again, is that most players find deflated balls as an advantage while almost no one other than him sees inflated balls as an advantage.odgers said he has a "major problem" with how often officials deflate footballs. The New England Patriots were accused of deflating their footballs for the AFC championship game Sunday, something the NFL is investigating.Rodgers said that HE doesn't like them, but also said that most QBs would consider it a big advantage.Well other than Aaron Rodgers the best QB in the league. I know he wasn't asked in response to the controversy. But unless you're arguing that Phil Simms lied on air and Rodgers never corrected him he thinks a deflated ball is a disadvantage.It's a big difference. Even if most QBs are doing it, that's like saying that steroids were no big deal because most guys were taking them. Either way, the guys who aren't doing it are at a big disadvantage.Nope... i'm not a Pats fan and I think this is ridiculous too.Am I the only non-Pats fan who still doesn't think this is a big deal? When the Manning/Brady petition changed the rules, it pretty much gave every QB the freedom to doctor the balls to their liking. Now it's just an accepted part of the culture. It seems many QBs are not happy that this is being brought to the limelight as it wil, if nothing else, lead to much more stringent rules concerning ball control and handling. I don't really care how the balls lost the 2 PSI, but I think the hot air theory is the most likely scenario. I just don't care; I say leave well enough alone.
And yes, having a deflated football is a big advantage. Aside from personal experience, every player that they've asked about it has said yes, it is a major advantage.
"The majority of quarterbacks are maybe on the other end of the spectrum and like it on the flatter side," Rodgers said. "My belief is that there should be a minimum air-pressure requirement but not a maximum. There's no advantage, in my opinion -- we're not kicking the football -- there's no advantage in having a pumped-up football."
Rodgers would like to see stricter standards enforced, especially against flatter footballs.
"They have a set range they like them at," Rodgers said Tuesday on his ESPN Milwaukee radio show. "I always like to be on the high range because of my grip pressure. I just have a hard time throwing a flat football. The majority of the quarterbacks – I would say more than half – are on the other side of the spectrum and like it on the flatter side.
"My belief is that there should be a minimum air pressure requirement, but not a maximum."
NFL rules stipulate footballs used during games must be inflated between 12.5 and 13.5 pounds per square inch and weigh between 14 and 15 ounces. Rodgers said quarterbacks have "no advantage" throwing a heavily inflated football.
In fact, he said, it's more challenging for quarterbacks with smaller hands or a weaker grip. For them, a flatter football is beneficial.
Rodgers doesn't want to penalize quarterbacks with smaller hands or weaker grips, he said. But when officials deflate footballs before "every game," Rodgers believes it puts him at a disadvantage.
"My biggest problem," Rodgers said, "is I don't think you should be allowed to take air out of the footballs, because it's not an advantage when you have a football that's inflated more than the average, whatever air pressure they want. It's a preference."
You missed a bit of the quote
The parts you omitted show you are not trying to be fair on the topic.
Regardless, this is a dumb topic. Go throw a deflated football and a regulation ball and get back to me. 99.9999% of people find a slightly deflated ball significantly easier to throw. It's not rocket science. Seriously, go do it and tell me there's not a BIG difference. I've had personal experience with it. Or you can flip on ESPN and watch Brunell/Bettis' 10 minute rant about how big of an advantage it is and how they wish they could have played with deflated balls.
http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2013/08/small-hands-smith-how-a-myth-is-born-and-never-dies.html
like those that have been screaming for Belichick's head switching to screaming for Brady's?
